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(SB Nation)   What happens when you report that a Canadian NHL franchise is in worse financial shape than the Phoenix Coyotes? You see your entire internet presence deleted by hackers from the Ukraine connected to the owner of said team   (sbnation.com) divider line 62
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2013-08-25 06:28:00 PM
Belarus is the retarded little brother of the Slavic community.  Everyone in eastern Europe think they are pathetic.
 
2013-08-25 07:13:11 PM
Paging  ontariolightning.  Please pick up the white courtesy phone.  I repeat,  ontariolightning please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
2013-08-25 07:15:22 PM
Well, it's damn suspicious. But I don't think there's enough to start making connections to Melnyk. Yes, we know he's a whackjob (see his rants about Matt Cooke after the Erik Karlsson injury last season). But to link him to something like this is stretching it.
 
2013-08-25 07:22:19 PM
So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?
 
2013-08-25 07:34:57 PM
The Sens regularly sell 19 - 20K tickets per game, and do well on merchandising for a small market team in traditional Montreal/Toronto territory. If they are losing that much money it would have to be from poor business practices. Ottawa sports fans are fickle, but support has been pretty good for the past decade. They could have losses from off season use of the arena though. Concerts don't do as well as they would if the arena had been built in Lebreton Flats instead of bumblefark Kanata.
 
2013-08-25 08:08:00 PM
Well guess we should move to Houston or Atlanta.
 
2013-08-25 08:16:15 PM

TheJoe03: Well guess we should move to Houston or Atlanta.


hockey teams don't move -to- Atlanta
 
2013-08-25 08:20:41 PM

llortcM_yllort: Paging  ontariolightning.  Please pick up the white courtesy phone.  I repeat,  ontariolightning please pick up the white courtesy phone.



Why would you do that?

You know where it's going to end up.
 
2013-08-25 08:21:53 PM
Oh, I should have looked at your username in a mirror.

Still man...
 
2013-08-25 08:24:34 PM

fatalvenom: llortcM_yllort: Paging  ontariolightning.  Please pick up the white courtesy phone.  I repeat,  ontariolightning please pick up the white courtesy phone.


Why would you do that?

You know where it's going to end up.


yup, somehow he'll blame PM Sweatervest and Alberta....
 
2013-08-25 08:29:44 PM
resources3.news.com.au
knows the feeling
 
2013-08-25 08:41:54 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?


You bring up a good question: I said in the Coyotes sale thread 3 weeks ago that if Quebec did not get a team via expansion, we would see the Panthers move out of South Florida up to Quebec. Someone pointed out that was not likely because of the Panthers arena deal. So, if the reports about the financial situation are accurate; do we see the Senators become the new Nordiques? Or maybe the NHL forces them west to Seattle or Kansas City to even out the conferences?
 
2013-08-25 08:53:27 PM

FrancoFile: Belarus is the retarded little brother of the Slavic community.  Everyone in eastern Europe think they are pathetic.


Belerus did beat Sweden in the SLC Olympics.  Kopat scoring off Salo's helmet for the game winner was a classic end to a classic upset.
 
2013-08-25 09:23:28 PM

desertgeek: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?

You bring up a good question: I said in the Coyotes sale thread 3 weeks ago that if Quebec did not get a team via expansion, we would see the Panthers move out of South Florida up to Quebec. Someone pointed out that was not likely because of the Panthers arena deal. So, if the reports about the financial situation are accurate; do we see the Senators become the new Nordiques? Or maybe the NHL forces them west to Seattle or Kansas City to even out the conferences?


We might see a new ownership deal, but I don't think the Sens are going anywhere. They sell well. Better when they play the Leafs/Habs/Bruins, but quite well in general. I'm the jerk in the Bruins jersey when they play, but I try to go a couple of non Bruins games every year to support the team, except last year because fark Bergman and his NY lawyer brigade. Never trust a man who talks more about the product than the game.
 
2013-08-25 09:29:43 PM

FrancoFile: Belarus is the retarded little brother of the Slavic community.  Everyone in eastern Europe think they are pathetic.


cdn.theatlantic.com
Whenever I hear about Belarus, this map comes to mind. (see if you can figure out which one is Belarus)
 
2013-08-25 09:35:12 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?


Well, even if the situation that was described is true, it is still not remotely comparable to the situation Phoenix was in (several years of financial disaster leading the league to have to take over ownership and the inability to find any buyers interested in keeping the team local. And Ottawa is still doing quite well in terms of attendance, while even a successful Phoenix team has trouble filling seats, which certainly indicates that a lack of fan interest is not one of the causes of the financial issues (which is certainly an issue in Phoenix and other markets, however why there is a lack of fan interest is the important question there).

There were a lot of factors for the Coyotes, and I certainly hope they do well, but even if the worst in the article is true the situation is still not comparable to that of Phoenix.

That said, with the new economic situation (both the general position of Canadian and US economies and the NHL changes from the lockout) I do think a return to Quebec would be good for the league and they should look into getting a team there. In addition getting at least one more team in Southern Ontario, if not two (Toronto and Hamilton being the obvious spots), should be a priority. I can't see adding a local rival doing much but helping the Leafs. Although the impact on the Sabres and Red Wings may be more significant, I don't think it would be that critical. I would also be sorely tempted to look into the feasibility of a team on the east coast, be it in Halifax or New Brunswick for a more regional focus (between Nova Scotia and Eastern Quebec). Ten years ago this idea (with the possible exception of Toronto/Hamilton would have been a joke, but there have been huge changes.

There are also US sites that are good candidates (such as Seattle).

All that said, I don't think the NHL should expand much beyond its current size, maybe another two teams and balance out the divisions. So in order to claim these locations they would need to give up on others, and because of their strong revenue sharing and low payrolls (compared to the NFL and most MLB teams) they can survive in a lot of smaller markets.
 
2013-08-25 09:36:34 PM

FrancoFile: Belarus is the retarded little brother of the Slavic community.  Everyone in eastern Europe think they are pathetic.


You do know that Belarus and Ukraine are two different places, right?
 
2013-08-25 09:46:53 PM

desertgeek: Well, it's damn suspicious. But I don't think there's enough to start making connections to Melnyk. Yes, we know he's a whackjob (see his rants about Matt Cooke after the Erik Karlsson injury last season). But to link him to something like this is stretching it.


It would've been damn suspicious if maybe, that article or a weeks worth of articles all of a sudden disappeared from the site.  The fact he's basically been erased is more than suspicious at this point.

Think he shook the right tree and found the hive.
 
2013-08-25 09:57:15 PM
dywed88:That said, with the new economic situation (both the general position of Canadian and US economies and the NHL changes from the lockout) I do think a return to Quebec would be good for the league and they should look into getting a team there. In addition getting at least one more team in Southern Ontario, if not two (Toronto and Hamilton being the obvious spots), should be a priority. I can't see adding a local rival doing much but helping the Leafs. Although the impact on the Sabres and Red Wings may be more significant, I don't think it would be that critical. I would also be sorely tempted to look into the feasibility of a team on the east coast, be it in Halifax or New Brunswick for a more regional focus (between Nova Scotia and Eastern Quebec). Ten years ago this idea (with the possible exception of Toronto/Hamilton would have been a joke, but there have been huge changes.

I think there's a general need to balance the divisions, before a sizable number inside the league starts making a stink.  If my above snarky statement above was to happen, that team most likely is to go west.  The only way Quebec gets a team is if a team moves from east to west and another east team needs to move later on, or if the league decides they want to expand to 34 or 36.
 
2013-08-25 10:24:17 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: I think there's a general need to balance the divisions, before a sizable number inside the league starts making a stink.  If my above snarky statement above was to happen, that team most likely is to go west.  The only way Quebec gets a team is if a team moves from east to west and another east team needs to move later on, or if the league decides they want to expand to 34 or 36.


Which would presumably mean Seattle and Houston?

The other option I could see (while maintaining the current league structure) is to shift the Avs and the Florida teams (they are already screwed over on travel and the odd ones out) and due away with the geographical designations. The fact that so many of the best markets are concentrated in the northeast does pose an issue.
 
2013-08-25 10:30:23 PM
Quebec will always be a challenge because of the language issue.
 
2013-08-25 10:38:44 PM

desertgeek: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?

You bring up a good question: I said in the Coyotes sale thread 3 weeks ago that if Quebec did not get a team via expansion, we would see the Panthers move out of South Florida up to Quebec. Someone pointed out that was not likely because of the Panthers arena deal. So, if the reports about the financial situation are accurate; do we see the Senators become the new Nordiques? Or maybe the NHL forces them west to Seattle or Kansas City to even out the conferences?


Melnick is the problem, the Senators are fine, they have a full or nearly full building every home game, lots of merch going out, decent tv...  It's his other businesses failing left and right.  He's funneling cash out of the hockey team to float his 'empire' and he seems eager to cut open his golden goose.
I wonder how hard he has to screw the team and the league, before the league has enough...
 
2013-08-25 10:45:18 PM

TheJoe03: Well guess we should move to Houston or Atlanta.


Houston has been mentioned a couple of times in this thread.  However, after Les Alexander (owner of the Houston Rockets - Lessor of the Toyota Center) forced the Aeros out to make more room for concert dates, he'd have a hard time getting we Houston hockey fans to patronize any team he put in that arena.
 
2013-08-25 10:46:40 PM
Any hockey writer who makes this comment: ...Ottawa, arguably the most promising Canadian team in the NHL right now " has obviously had his head so far up his butt for so long he is suffering brain damage.

/quote taken from his first blog
 
2013-08-25 10:51:45 PM

sno man: desertgeek: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?

You bring up a good question: I said in the Coyotes sale thread 3 weeks ago that if Quebec did not get a team via expansion, we would see the Panthers move out of South Florida up to Quebec. Someone pointed out that was not likely because of the Panthers arena deal. So, if the reports about the financial situation are accurate; do we see the Senators become the new Nordiques? Or maybe the NHL forces them west to Seattle or Kansas City to even out the conferences?

Melnick is the problem, the Senators are fine, they have a full or nearly full building every home game, lots of merch going out, decent tv...  It's his other businesses failing left and right.  He's funneling cash out of the hockey team to float his 'empire' and he seems eager to cut open his golden goose.
I wonder how hard he has to screw the team and the league, before the league has enough...


You know who that sounds like? The Coyotes' previous majority owner, Jerry Moyes. I can't say for certain that the farking bastard's other businesses were failing, but he used the Coyotes the same way it seems Melnyk is using the Sens. Remember, Moyes listed himself and at least 1 of his companies among those owned money in the bankruptcy filings.

If I'm a Sens fan or another owner in the NHL, I'm pressuring Bettman to get Melnyk out of ownership ASAP. If what you're saying is true, we have history repeating itself.
 
2013-08-25 10:58:52 PM

desertgeek: sno man: desertgeek: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: So is this when we talk about the team probably being better off moved to Seattle or Quebec because Ottawa is a failing hockey market without looking at the ownership, or is that rhetoric only reserved for non-traditional markets?

You bring up a good question: I said in the Coyotes sale thread 3 weeks ago that if Quebec did not get a team via expansion, we would see the Panthers move out of South Florida up to Quebec. Someone pointed out that was not likely because of the Panthers arena deal. So, if the reports about the financial situation are accurate; do we see the Senators become the new Nordiques? Or maybe the NHL forces them west to Seattle or Kansas City to even out the conferences?

Melnick is the problem, the Senators are fine, they have a full or nearly full building every home game, lots of merch going out, decent tv...  It's his other businesses failing left and right.  He's funneling cash out of the hockey team to float his 'empire' and he seems eager to cut open his golden goose.
I wonder how hard he has to screw the team and the league, before the league has enough...

You know who that sounds like? The Coyotes' previous majority owner, Jerry Moyes. I can't say for certain that the farking bastard's other businesses were failing, but he used the Coyotes the same way it seems Melnyk is using the Sens. Remember, Moyes listed himself and at least 1 of his companies among those owned money in the bankruptcy filings.

If I'm a Sens fan or another owner in the NHL, I'm pressuring Bettman to get Melnyk out of ownership ASAP. If what you're saying is true, we have history repeating itself.


There are parallels, I'm pretty sure it won't come down to the league owning the team, unless they have to do that to squeeze him out. Either way don't look for the Sens moving anytime soon.
 
2013-08-25 11:02:33 PM

dywed88: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: I think there's a general need to balance the divisions, before a sizable number inside the league starts making a stink.  If my above snarky statement above was to happen, that team most likely is to go west.  The only way Quebec gets a team is if a team moves from east to west and another east team needs to move later on, or if the league decides they want to expand to 34 or 36.

Which would presumably mean Seattle and Houston?

The other option I could see (while maintaining the current league structure) is to shift the Avs and the Florida teams (they are already screwed over on travel and the odd ones out) and due away with the geographical designations. The fact that so many of the best markets are concentrated in the northeast does pose an issue.


I'm actually thinking Kansas City.  As said above, Houston hockey fans don't trust the owner of the Toyota Center for forcing the AHL Aeros out, and the Sprint Center in KC was one day away from being the home of the Crosby Crosbys.
 
2013-08-25 11:10:15 PM

tom servo bit me: Quebec will always be a challenge because of the language issue.


Just look at how the Canadiens are constantly falling apart.

There only language issues is when the fans get all pissy that the team hires an English speaker.

desertgeek: You know who that sounds like? The Coyotes' previous majority owner, Jerry Moyes. I can't say for certain that the farking bastard's other businesses were failing, but he used the Coyotes the same way it seems Melnyk is using the Sens. Remember, Moyes listed himself and at least 1 of his companies among those owned money in the bankruptcy filings.

If I'm a Sens fan or another owner in the NHL, I'm pressuring Bettman to get Melnyk out of ownership ASAP. If what you're saying is true, we have history repeating itself.


While I agree on the ownership issue, there is a big difference in that one of these teams continues to fill the stadium and bring in plenty of money. If that stops, then we get a more comparable situation. It isn't the fans fault they stopped going to see the Coyotes, that is squarely on the owners screwing the franchise, but Ottawa is having some of its best attendance ever (only 2008/9 beat last year).
 
2013-08-25 11:58:16 PM

dywed88: desertgeek: You know who that sounds like? The Coyotes' previous majority owner, Jerry Moyes. I can't say for certain that the farking bastard's other businesses were failing, but he used the Coyotes the same way it seems Melnyk is using the Sens. Remember, Moyes listed himself and at least 1 of his companies among those owned money in the bankruptcy filings.

If I'm a Sens fan or another owner in the NHL, I'm pressuring Bettman to get Melnyk out of ownership ASAP. If what you're saying is true, we have history repeating itself.

While I agree on the ownership issue, there is a big difference in that one of these teams continues to fill the stadium and bring in plenty of money. If that stops, then we get a more comparable situation. It isn't the fans fault they stopped going to see the Coyotes, that is squarely on the owners screwing the franchise, but Ottawa is having some of its best attendance ever (only 2008/9 beat last year).


And while that is a very fair point that this Coyotes fan will concede; if Moyes hadn't funneled so much money to his other businesses (along with skipping other unnecessary expenses like renting office space outside their arena while leaving arena offices unused), the total losses for the team under his ownership are sliced by at least a third. That's not an attendance issue. That's a selfish, corrupt businessman issue.

The Sens are packing the house virtually every night, they had the 6th lowest average ticket price last season (according to this) and they're losing as much money as the writer is suggesting?  That's a selfish, corrupt businessman issue.
 
2013-08-26 12:49:08 AM

FrancoFile: Belarus is the retarded little brother of the Slavic community.  Everyone in eastern Europe think they are pathetic.


I'm still pissed the way they ended "Quantum Leap".
 
2013-08-26 12:51:05 AM

tom servo bit me: Quebec will always be a challenge because of the language issue.


Force them to talk Murrican. Like the rest of North America.
 
2013-08-26 01:01:56 AM

Rodeodoc: Any hockey writer who makes this comment: ...Ottawa, arguably the most promising Canadian team in the NHL right now " has obviously had his head so far up his butt for so long he is suffering brain damage.

/quote taken from his first blog


Must be an Oilers fan.

*clicks profile*

Haha. I love you guys. But hey, congrats on climbing all the way up to 12th in the West. It only took what, 4 or 5 years of rebuilding?
 
2013-08-26 03:58:13 AM
I would assume this is a crime and the RCMP is already investigating.
 
2013-08-26 05:49:25 AM

BATMANATEE: If they are losing that much money it would have to be from poor business practices.


It's Alfie, Spezza and Heatley's fault. All those pizzas cost a lot of money....
 
2013-08-26 07:42:23 AM

dywed88: Just look at how the Canadiens are constantly falling apart.

There only language issues is when the fans get all pissy that the team hires an English speaker.


Montreal is a more bilingual-friendly city than Quebec is (only one English newspaper, and that's a weekly; almost no English presence on radio).  Montreal's history helps, too, but the Nordiques struggled to get people to want to play there before, and you'd have to assume it'll be the same today, especially since demographic trends show declining numbers of English speakers province-wide.  It's a dumb reason, to be sure, but it's something to be factored in.

desertgeek: The Coyotes' previous majority owner, Jerry Moyes.


For some reason, whenever I see or hear his name, I always picture Morty Ballstein, Jerry Stiller's character from Zoolander.
 
2013-08-26 08:16:31 AM

BATMANATEE: The Sens regularly sell 19 - 20K tickets per game, and do well on merchandising for a small market team in traditional Montreal/Toronto territory.


This is why people who say they should put a team in Hamilton are idiots.

1) It's not really that big of a city
2) Everybody there is already a Leafs fan or a fan of another NHL team

So you'll just be cannibalizing other NHL teams, not making new fans.
 
2013-08-26 08:25:17 AM

MugzyBrown: This is why people who say they should put a team in Hamilton are idiots.


At least put a team in Seattle first, which would also allow the Sonics to come back. Hell, why isn't there a team in Milwaukee? I'm sure they would care more about hockey than they would about the Bucks. Maybe ship the Bucks to Seattle and give them a hockey team.
 
2013-08-26 08:45:22 AM

tom servo bit me: dywed88: Just look at how the Canadiens are constantly falling apart.

There only language issues is when the fans get all pissy that the team hires an English speaker.

Montreal is a more bilingual-friendly city than Quebec is (only one English newspaper, and that's a weekly; almost no English presence on radio).  Montreal's history helps, too, but the Nordiques struggled to get people to want to play there before, and you'd have to assume it'll be the same today, especially since demographic trends show declining numbers of English speakers province-wide.  It's a dumb reason, to be sure, but it's something to be factored in.


How much time have you spent in Quebec City? Me, I've been there a couple of times. I'm an Aglophone and I've never had any issues with language there. As for players not wanting to play there, I can think of only one; Eric Lindros, and that was because he was an ass. Their junionr team is averaging 11,000+ per game (Link), highest in the CHL. And that is with a 40 year old arena.

If you can provide other evidence I'd happily change my opinion, but Quebec City would be a good place for expansion.

Nate Silver had something to say on this subject too: Link
 
2013-08-26 09:23:00 AM

Pope Larry II: Nate Silver had something to say on this subject too: Link


Shows you can't just calculate numbers and know what you're talking about.

The only reason to expand more into Canada would be to get fans who aren't already watching.  So if you can go through real data.. like Merch data and viewership data (not googling 'nhl') then you can see if there are areas where people are interested in hockey, but aren't following the NHL.

Just going into a city like Hamilton or dumping another team into Montreal may get you some gate receipts, but the real money is in advertising.  If you're not bringing new eyeballs to the table, you're not making any more significant money.

And his analysis of the statistical nature of why Canadian teams haven't won the Stanley Cup is idiotic.  It's luck and player selection/development.  That's all.  There's no statistical analysis needed.

The Flyers have spent tons of money pre-cap, and have always had great attendance but haven't won in 35 years.  So the solution is putting a 2nd team in Philly?
 
2013-08-26 09:25:32 AM

MugzyBrown: BATMANATEE: The Sens regularly sell 19 - 20K tickets per game, and do well on merchandising for a small market team in traditional Montreal/Toronto territory.

This is why people who say they should put a team in Hamilton are idiots.

1) It's not really that big of a city
2) Everybody there is already a Leafs fan or a fan of another NHL team

So you'll just be cannibalizing other NHL teams, not making new fans.


Hamilton is well within the Toronto market. Leaf tickets are the most expensive in the league and, even if you can afford them, hard to come by. Even if most people are leaf fans, you would still draw with more moderately priced tickets. Your market is anyone in Toronto who isn't a Leafs fan/can't afford to go to a Leafs game, Hamilton, Niagara, Kitchener, London.
 
2013-08-26 09:50:52 AM

dywed88: Hamilton is well within the Toronto market. Leaf tickets are the most expensive in the league and, even if you can afford them, hard to come by. Even if most people are leaf fans, you would still draw with more moderately priced tickets. Your market is anyone in Toronto who isn't a Leafs fan/can't afford to go to a Leafs game, Hamilton, Niagara, Kitchener, London.


Again, selling some more tickets per game isn't going to make anybody any real money.  You need to get more people watching the telecasts.

Everybody who is interested in the NHL who lives in Hamilton, Niagara, London, etc is already watching the telecasts.
 
2013-08-26 10:06:33 AM
And you get more telecasts, more ticket sales and more opportunities for merchandising.
 
2013-08-26 12:16:37 PM

MugzyBrown: Just going into a city like Hamilton or dumping another team into Montreal may get you some gate receipts, but the real money is in advertising broadcasting.


FTFY.

That is why the NHL stays in Phoenix (metro: 4.2 million) and won't go to Quebec (metro: 765,000).
 
2013-08-26 12:58:24 PM

desertgeek: Well, it's damn suspicious. But I don't think there's enough to start making connections to Melnyk. Yes, we know he's a whackjob (see his rants about Matt Cooke after the Erik Karlsson injury last season). But to link him to something like this is stretching it.


THIS.
 
2013-08-26 01:07:02 PM

TheJoe03: MugzyBrown: This is why people who say they should put a team in Hamilton are idiots.

At least put a team in Seattle first, which would also allow the Sonics to come back. Hell, why isn't there a team in Milwaukee? I'm sure they would care more about hockey than they would about the Bucks. Maybe ship the Bucks to Seattle and give them a hockey team.


Wait, we have a basketball team in Wisconsin?

Milwaukee has the Admirals...I think their tickets are more in budget for Milwaukee rather than what the ticket price of a pro team would be.
 
2013-08-26 01:31:21 PM

Ishkur: MugzyBrown: Just going into a city like Hamilton or dumping another team into Montreal may get you some gate receipts, but the real money is in advertising broadcasting.

FTFY.

That is why the NHL stays in Phoenix (metro: 4.2 million) and won't go to Quebec (metro: 765,000).


If it's all about size, how did Winnipeg (730,018 metro (smaller than QC, btw))  get a team back from Atlanta (4,124,300 (10 county metro))?
 
2013-08-26 01:42:03 PM

sno man: Ishkur: MugzyBrown: Just going into a city like Hamilton or dumping another team into Montreal may get you some gate receipts, but the real money is in advertising broadcasting.

FTFY.

That is why the NHL stays in Phoenix (metro: 4.2 million) and won't go to Quebec (metro: 765,000).

If it's all about size, how did Winnipeg (730,018 metro (smaller than QC, btw))  get a team back from Atlanta (4,124,300 (10 county metro))?


Because the owners were losing more money than Bryz allows goals and attendance sucked in Atlanta. Winnipeg's attendance average is around 1,500 more people per game than it was when they were in Atlanta for the 2010-2011 season - but in Winnipeg that's a sellout.
 
2013-08-26 01:43:32 PM

dywed88: And you get more telecasts, more ticket sales and more opportunities for merchandising.


They're already watching.  You're not adding anything if they just change to a different team.

For the NHL to grow, or even stay stable at their current expenses, they need NEW FANS.  Not fans who change jerseys from Leafs to Londoners.
 
2013-08-26 02:02:29 PM

sno man: If it's all about size, how did Winnipeg (730,018 metro (smaller than QC, btw)) get a team back from Atlanta (4,124,300 (10 county metro))?


Because there's fark all to do in the prairies and there are two whole provinces that will worship an NHL hockey team.

Quebec already has one.
 
2013-08-26 02:08:54 PM

WhiskeySticks: sno man: Ishkur: MugzyBrown: Just going into a city like Hamilton or dumping another team into Montreal may get you some gate receipts, but the real money is in advertising broadcasting.

FTFY.

That is why the NHL stays in Phoenix (metro: 4.2 million) and won't go to Quebec (metro: 765,000).

If it's all about size, how did Winnipeg (730,018 metro (smaller than QC, btw))  get a team back from Atlanta (4,124,300 (10 county metro))?

Because the owners were losing more money than Bryz allows goals and attendance sucked in Atlanta. Winnipeg's attendance average is around 1,500 more people per game than it was when they were in Atlanta for the 2010-2011 season - but in Winnipeg that's a sellout.


My point was size doesn't mater...
Yes, It's all about interest (see also marketing)

Yea, the Jets really need a new building, but it has to be downtown, but there's not a whole lot of downtown to do that. And no room at the MTS Centre to expand...
 
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