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2013-08-25 05:44:15 PM  

Felgraf: wesmon: It looks like the amount he gave em he probably couldn't have checked all of it. That is the impression I am getting.

So, you agree with "incredibly irresponsible", then. Good to know.


Nope. The idea is it is the responsibility of the media to select what to reveal.

And I like how everyone here is arguing on one hand that this story was already common knowledge and then on the other trying to say it hurts our country. Because I guess Europe and the rest of the world is too stupid to have figured out yet.
 
2013-08-25 05:46:10 PM  

wesmon: Felgraf: wesmon: It looks like the amount he gave em he probably couldn't have checked all of it. That is the impression I am getting.

So, you agree with "incredibly irresponsible", then. Good to know.

Nope. The idea is it is the responsibility of the media to select what to reveal.

And I like how everyone here is arguing on one hand that this story was already common knowledge and then on the other trying to say it hurts our country. Because I guess Europe and the rest of the world is too stupid to have figured out yet.


Well, there's a difference between suspicion and proof.

And weird, so you absolve Snowden of any and all capability for what he did with the data he took? I hope you don't give him any props either, then, since he wasn't the one that chose to release the stuff about spying on americans, it was the media selecting what to reveal.

/and before you ask, yes. The detaining of Miranda was bullshiat.
 
2013-08-25 05:48:12 PM  

wesmon: I like how everyone here is arguing on one hand that this story was already common knowledge and then on the other trying to say it hurts our country.


This.

Yawn. Everybody knew this. Except for every other nation's spy agencies!
 
2013-08-25 05:48:44 PM  

Felgraf: wesmon: Felgraf: wesmon: It looks like the amount he gave em he probably couldn't have checked all of it. That is the impression I am getting.

So, you agree with "incredibly irresponsible", then. Good to know.

Nope. The idea is it is the responsibility of the media to select what to reveal.

And I like how everyone here is arguing on one hand that this story was already common knowledge and then on the other trying to say it hurts our country. Because I guess Europe and the rest of the world is too stupid to have figured out yet.

Well, there's a difference between suspicion and proof.

And weird, so you absolve Snowden of any and all capability for what he did with the data he took? I hope you don't give him any props either, then, since he wasn't the one that chose to release the stuff about spying on americans, it was the media selecting what to reveal.

/and before you ask, yes. The detaining of Miranda was bullshiat.


Snowden was the one who gave the data to the media so of course he gets credit. Ellsburg gets credit for the Pentagon Papers and it was the media that chose what parts to release.
 
2013-08-25 05:53:04 PM  
I'm perfectly alright with surveillance. Doesn't bother me one bit if some suit wants to watch me jerk off all day. I only have a problem with all the ridiculous things that are considered illegal that shouldn't be. Stop making it a crime to mind my own business in my home and you can put up a camera wherever you goddamn please.
 
2013-08-25 05:53:11 PM  
Sure, keep spying indiscriminately, Government.

Only citizens have rights?
Oh, only  trustworthy citizens have rights?
No one has rights?


Keep stomping; it will surely end well!

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 05:54:26 PM  
teknishn:

seriously, that this is a shock to anyone is a shock to me.


/ QFT

memecrunch.com
 
2013-08-25 05:54:31 PM  
This is called spying. Spying on UN, ok. Spying on ex-girlfriends, not ok.
 
2013-08-25 05:57:39 PM  

Esroc: I'm perfectly alright with surveillance unclear about the value of privacy and its essential role in a Democracy.



FIFY

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 05:58:18 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TheOnion: I'm ok with the government spying on other countries.  I'm not ok with the government spying on American citizens (without probable cause backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge in accordance with the constitution and applicable state and federal law).

^^^ This.

It's the NSA's job to keep an eye on other countries, even our allies.
I have a problem when it turns it resources on US citizens.


Canadian here - you may not care but I ask myself if my government engages in the same level of espionage. I actually imagine that CSIS and NSA are very much sharing information. Is it ok if Canadians use the collected data?

Personally I will not be using any US based cloud services when other services are reasonably available. Not because I have anything to hide but rather that I do not believe that all countries are engaging in the same level of espionage and there are less creepy options.

I don't begrudge the US for trying to look out for their own interests but there does not appear to be guiding principles as a check and balance, instead it appears more of the ends justifying the means.

These revelations will hurt the US tech sector as more folks change their business models from US based cloud services.
 
2013-08-25 05:59:46 PM  

HempHead: AeAe: The United States is as bad as Russia and China spying on its citizens and other governments.

The US is just as good as Russia and China on spying on their citizens.


well.. ok..   Althought you would think the US  should be better that the Russians and China.
 
2013-08-25 06:07:35 PM  

b2theory: This is their job! I would be pissed if our signals intelligence agency wasn't doing this.


So very farking much *THIS*.  This is what they *SHOULD* be doing.

/Ex SIGINT weenie.
 
2013-08-25 06:10:58 PM  

Bslim: Remind me who the good guys are again.


Everyone thinks they are the good guys.
 
2013-08-25 06:20:41 PM  

MNguy: What about US citizens living abroad?


Ask Bradley Chelsea Maning how s/he feels about the NSA spying on people living as a broad.

/got nothin
 
2013-08-25 06:23:21 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Are we still pretending that the Chinese are our friends?


Didn't you see that documentary, Battleship(2012), where they helped defeat the alien invaders?
 
2013-08-25 06:23:47 PM  
The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.
 
2013-08-25 06:27:16 PM  

Nick Nostril: Better dead than Red, amirite?


Beats wetting the bed.
 
2013-08-25 06:27:40 PM  

traylor: The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.


What?  It's *NEVER* been illegal to monitor the communications of other nations.  Ever.
 
2013-08-25 06:27:46 PM  

Bslim: Remind me who the good guys are again.


Vlad_the_Inaner: ecmoRandomNumbers: Are we still pretending that the Chinese are our friends?

Didn't you see that documentary, Battleship(2012), where they helped defeat the alien invaders?




Decent Godzilla type flick.
 
2013-08-25 06:29:25 PM  

dprathbun: Nick Nostril: Better dead than Red, amirite?

Beats wetting the bed.


Squirters are fun and rubber sheets are hot.
 
2013-08-25 06:29:32 PM  

b2theory: wesmon: And I would still call it whistleblowing. They have already caught plenty of wrongdoing. It is on the newspapers to not reveal harmful things. They should do the redacting.

And this revelation about the U.N. hardly classifies as traitorous to me.

This revelation? The NSA was acting according to its mandate. Next thing you know we will find out that the DOD is actually an organization of heavily armed US government employees!


And that the FBI investigates crimes within the United States!  It'll be pandelirium!
 
2013-08-25 06:36:06 PM  
Those of you defending the NSA for spying within the UN are extremely shortsighted.  The entire purpose of the UN is to make sure another world war doesn't happen, by creating a venue where diplomacy among all countries is encouraged.  Granted, the UN is often less than efficient, and the grandstanding and rhetoric within is usually political and non-productive, but it's still all we've got.  When the NSA or China spy inside the UN, they help create an environment that will eventually convince other countries to speak less openly there, and to put less faith in the UN's diplomatic tools.  As soon as the NSA found out that the encryption systems for the UN were vulnerable, they should have gone to the UN and fixed the problem, and then gone to all the major players, such as China, and said, "Hey, we saw that there was a problem with the encrypted communications at the UN.  We don't know if you knew about this at all, but we fixed it, and here's how.  We hope that if you were concerned about engaging in open dialogue at the UN, that this will help reassure you of the UN's commitment to secure and honest diplomacy."

Unless you're someone who profits from the defense industry, then you should be encouraging the US to do everything to make sure that China emerges as a super-power that is our friend, ally, and economic partner, and not our rival.
 
2013-08-25 06:36:55 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: dprathbun: Nick Nostril: Better dead than Red, amirite?

Beats wetting the bed.

Squirters are fun and rubber sheets are hot.


You know who else liked rubber sheets?  Carl Sagan.

/Gravity well demonstration
 
2013-08-25 06:38:01 PM  
Lip biting, dick squeezing, peephole monkeys drooling smugly on their super secret listening in decoder rings.  Grow the f*ck up.
 
2013-08-25 06:40:30 PM  

positronica: The entire purpose of the UN is to make sure another world war doesn't happen


And  that still didn't keep them from becoming a vestigial circle jerk that helps little and enforces nothing.  It's people in headphones collecting a paycheck.
 
2013-08-25 06:40:37 PM  

positronica: Those of you defending the NSA for spying within the UN are extremely shortsighted.  The entire purpose of the UN is to make sure another world war doesn't happen, by creating a venue where diplomacy among all countries is encouraged.  Granted, the UN is often less than efficient, and the grandstanding and rhetoric within is usually political and non-productive, but it's still all we've got.  When the NSA or China spy inside the UN, they help create an environment that will eventually convince other countries to speak less openly there, and to put less faith in the UN's diplomatic tools.  As soon as the NSA found out that the encryption systems for the UN were vulnerable, they should have gone to the UN and fixed the problem, and then gone to all the major players, such as China, and said, "Hey, we saw that there was a problem with the encrypted communications at the UN.  We don't know if you knew about this at all, but we fixed it, and here's how.  We hope that if you were concerned about engaging in open dialogue at the UN, that this will help reassure you of the UN's commitment to secure and honest diplomacy."

Unless you're someone who profits from the defense industry, then you should be encouraging the US to do everything to make sure that China emerges as a super-power that is our friend, ally, and economic partner, and not our rival.


Ah, yes, the long-discredited "Gentlemen don't read each other's mail" theory expressed by Henry L. Stimson, and later repudiated by him.
 
2013-08-25 06:42:35 PM  

dittybopper: traylor: The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.

What?  It's *NEVER* been illegal to monitor the communications of other nations.  Ever.



The alleged spying activities are illegal. The US has a long-standing agreement with the UN stipulating that the US refrain from covert operations with regards to the UN's activities.
 
2013-08-25 06:43:32 PM  

dittybopper: traylor: The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.

What?  It's *NEVER* been illegal to monitor the communications of other nations.  Ever.


You need to look up what those other nations think about it.
 
2013-08-25 06:45:34 PM  

bunner: Lip biting, dick squeezing, peephole monkeys drooling smugly on their super secret listening in decoder rings.  Grow the f*ck up.


I have absolutely *ZERO* problem with our nation listening in on the communications of foreign governments.  It's their farking *JOB* to do so, in order to warn of impending attack.  In fact, I used to do that very job when I was in the US Army.  It is an appropriate, well-accepted, and normal thing for a government to monitor the diplomatic and military communications of other nations.

I would be rightfully pissed if the US government wasn't doing so, because that means it's not doing it's job protecting the United States from potential attack.

What I do have a problem with is the unwarranted monitoring of "United States Persons", and that is where your ire should be directed, not towards the US monitoring diplomatic chatter, which is something it's been doing pretty much ever since the advent of electronic communications well over 100 years ago.
 
2013-08-25 06:48:15 PM  

traylor: dittybopper: traylor: The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.

What?  It's *NEVER* been illegal to monitor the communications of other nations.  Ever.

You need to look up what those other nations think about it.


Totally irrelevant, and besides, they do it too.   SIGINT isn't the sole province of the United States.
 
2013-08-25 06:53:32 PM  
When do we get all get winnebagos, vacations to Hawaii, and hot FBI girl with Uzi's phone numbers for threatening to tell the public the NSA wants to spy on them?

/I leave message on your service but you do not call
//how times change over 2 decades
 
2013-08-25 07:03:22 PM  

dittybopper: In fact, I used to do that very job when I was in the US Army.


Which explains your position.

dittybopper: What I do have a problem with is the unwarranted monitoring of "United States Persons", and that is where your ire should be directed,


It is.  It is also directed at a species that has manged to build an apartment that floats in space but can't mange to make unnecessary the "Dept. of Sneaky Bastards".  Which sneaky bastards sort of comes up moot in that aspect.
 
2013-08-25 07:06:33 PM  

dittybopper: traylor: dittybopper: traylor: The good thing is that everyone working at NSA is now looking ahead to a few years of prison time. Maybe life sentence or death, depends on which country they are caught.

What?  It's *NEVER* been illegal to monitor the communications of other nations.  Ever.

You need to look up what those other nations think about it.

Totally irrelevant, and besides, they do it too.   SIGINT isn't the sole province of the United States.


Hint: my comment wasn't about the legality of US citizens spying on non-US citizens while in the US. Change any of the three conditions and you are in problem.
 
2013-08-25 07:10:50 PM  
damn clever, those orientals

/ grandpa phrase from way back
 
2013-08-25 07:19:32 PM  

wesmon: And I would still call it whistleblowing. They have already caught plenty of wrongdoing. It is on the newspapers to not reveal harmful things. They should do the redacting.

And this revelation about the U.N. hardly classifies as traitorous to me.


Der Spiegel is German, they shouldn't, and won't, redact anything that harms USA.
 
2013-08-25 07:20:56 PM  

dittybopper: I have absolutely *ZERO* problem with our nation listening in on the communications of foreign governments. It's their farking *JOB* to do so, in order to warn of impending attack. In fact, I used to do that very job when I was in the US Army. It is an appropriate, well-accepted, and normal thing for a government to monitor the diplomatic and military communications of other nations.


I also have zero problem with foreign governments listening in on our government's communication - it's equally their job to listen in to protect their citizens from potential problems our country can cause.  And, of course, our government has the right to counterintelligence, such as finding out the Chinese are sniffing U.N. traffic too.

Here, the NSA got caught doing its farking job for once, rather than listening in on an employee's husband's mistress, or reading our GMail.
 
2013-08-25 07:26:44 PM  

Myria: dittybopper: I have absolutely *ZERO* problem with our nation listening in on the communications of foreign governments. It's their farking *JOB* to do so, in order to warn of impending attack. In fact, I used to do that very job when I was in the US Army. It is an appropriate, well-accepted, and normal thing for a government to monitor the diplomatic and military communications of other nations.

I also have zero problem with foreign governments listening in on our government's communication - it's equally their job to listen in to protect their citizens from potential problems our country can cause.  And, of course, our government has the right to counterintelligence, such as finding out the Chinese are sniffing U.N. traffic too.

Here, the NSA got caught doing its farking job for once, rather than listening in on an employee's husband's mistress, or reading our GMail.


Maybe you missed the part on how spying on the UN is illegal.
 
2013-08-25 07:48:48 PM  

mtbhucker: Here, the NSA got caught doing its farking job for once, rather than listening in on an employee's husband's mistress, or reading our GMail.

Maybe you missed the part on how spying on the UN is illegal.


Pppffftt. This is the work the NSA should be doing-spying on the UN, foreign goverments etc. If they did not do this they would be negligent. Spying on American citizens without a warrant is the illegal activity we should be upset about not this.
 
2013-08-25 08:21:20 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-25 08:23:40 PM  
The American spook noticed a Beijing spook adding " me Chinese me make joke..." to the subject line of intercepted UN emails
 
2013-08-25 08:27:18 PM  

Ex-Texan: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x500]


"So f*cking what?"

Someday you might be wanting a favor.  Guess what memory will pop up when you ask.

/'we'll burn that bridge before we come to it"
 
2013-08-25 08:50:37 PM  

teknishn: seriously, that this is a shock to anyone is a shock to me.  The super power level countries ALL engage in spying.... PERIOD.  This has been going on forever.


Came here to say this.

Actually, before subby's great revelation, not only did I not know that the NSA spies on people, but I never would have guessed that would spy on foreigners... The REAL shocker? Other countries are spying on us! Oh my God!!!
 
2013-08-25 09:02:59 PM  

positronica: Those of you defending the NSA for spying within the UN are extremely shortsighted.  The entire purpose of the UN is to make sure another world war doesn't happen, by creating a venue where diplomacy among all countries is encouraged.  Granted, the UN is often less than efficient, and the grandstanding and rhetoric within is usually political and non-productive, but it's still all we've got.  When the NSA or China spy inside the UN, they help create an environment that will eventually convince other countries to speak less openly there, and to put less faith in the UN's diplomatic tools.  As soon as the NSA found out that the encryption systems for the UN were vulnerable, they should have gone to the UN and fixed the problem, and then gone to all the major players, such as China, and said, "Hey, we saw that there was a problem with the encrypted communications at the UN.  We don't know if you knew about this at all, but we fixed it, and here's how.  We hope that if you were concerned about engaging in open dialogue at the UN, that this will help reassure you of the UN's commitment to secure and honest diplomacy."

Unless you're someone who profits from the defense industry, then you should be encouraging the US to do everything to make sure that China emerges as a super-power that is our friend, ally, and economic partner, and not our rival.


it's adorable that you believe anyone takes the UN seriously and gives a damn what that sideshow has to say. When was the last time the UN did one single thing that prevented war or an atrocity? Where is the UN on stopping Syria? The issues between Israel and the Palestinians?

I couldn't give a damn about spying on the UN, since nothing of value comes out of it. Wake me when the US gets outed bugging the HQ of the Chinese gov't or reading Putin's email.
 
2013-08-25 09:05:42 PM  

hasty ambush: mtbhucker: Here, the NSA got caught doing its farking job for once, rather than listening in on an employee's husband's mistress, or reading our GMail.

Maybe you missed the part on how spying on the UN is illegal.

Pppffftt. This is the work the NSA should be doing-spying on the UN, foreign goverments etc. If they did not do this they would be negligent. Spying on American citizens without a warrant is the illegal activity we should be upset about not this.


Well, I think the NSA is doing its job gathering SIGINT from foreign governments (and to some degree trying to prevent leaks of sensitive data to foreign powers, so monitoring inbound traffic as well), but the actual spying is the CIA's job.
 
2013-08-25 09:10:37 PM  
You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.
 
2013-08-25 09:28:08 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.


Credit card number, expiration date and CID number from the back, please?
 
2013-08-25 09:42:44 PM  
Kit Fister
but the actual spying is the CIA's job.

Heh, with all these "the NSA is doing this to furriners" and "the NSA is doing that to furriners" I was wondering if there's any spying left for the CIA to do.
Looks like they have been reduced to torturing, funding terrorists and replacing democratically elected leaders with dictators.
 
2013-08-25 09:44:00 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: StoPPeRmobile: You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.

Credit card number, expiration date and CID number from the back, please?




That shiat was never hidden in the first place. Slightly obscured in the past, at best, I will admit.
 
2013-08-25 09:49:49 PM  

mtbhucker: Maybe you missed the part on how spying on the UN is illegal.


Actually, that's not really true.  it's  just a violation of an agreement.  I'll give you an example:  It's clearly a violation of diplomatic agreements to plant listening devices in the embassies of a nation you have diplomatic relations with.  But it's done by every nation that has the wherewithal to accomplish it nonetheless.  No one has ever been arrested and charged with doing so.  Ever.  Because it's not illegal for a government to monitor the communications of and bug the embassy of other nations.  And that is precisely what happened here.

It's how the game is played.  It's been played this way for hundreds of years:  The Black Chambers of Europe are a perfect example of it.  Diplomatic agreements notwithstanding, any nation that doesn't engage in that sort of behavior is just asking to be walked all over.
 
2013-08-25 09:51:55 PM  

The Voice of Doom: Heh, with all these "the NSA is doing this to furriners" and "the NSA is doing that to furriners" I was wondering if there's any spying left for the CIA to do.


The NSA's bailiwick is signals intelligence:  Intercepting the electronic communications.  Planting physical bugs is the bailiwick of the CIA.
 
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