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(Slashdot)   NSA, deciding that spying on US citizens wasn't enough, turns its sights on the UN. Bonus: while listening in on the UN, they discovered that the Chinese were trying to listen in as well   (yro.slashdot.org) divider line 111
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2013-08-25 03:05:32 PM
seriously, that this is a shock to anyone is a shock to me.  The super power level countries ALL engage in spying.... PERIOD.  This has been going on forever.
 
2013-08-25 03:08:09 PM
Should I have a problem with spying on the UN?
Should I be surprised that the Chinese were doing the same?
 
2013-08-25 04:00:55 PM
This is their job! I would be pissed if our signals intelligence agency wasn't doing this.
 
2013-08-25 04:12:50 PM
I'm ok with the government spying on other countries.  I'm not ok with the government spying on American citizens (without probable cause backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge in accordance with the constitution and applicable state and federal law).
 
2013-08-25 04:27:26 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-25 04:28:59 PM
I learned it from you, Dad, alright!?  I LEARNED IT FROM WATCHING YOU!
 
2013-08-25 04:29:08 PM
Wouldn't security council nations like the US and China already be privy to anything important that was being discussed anyway? What's the point in knowing what strongly worded letter is being considered by the diplomat from Uzbekistan?
 
2013-08-25 04:31:08 PM
These are the farkers wall hacking CoD.
 
2013-08-25 04:34:29 PM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 523x490]


Church of Scientology (Las Vegas) phone number leads me to believe this is a Operation Clambake spinoff.

www.xenu.net
 
2013-08-25 04:35:19 PM
Spying on foreigners is what the NSA is for. Spying on Americans is the unacceptable bit.
 
2013-08-25 04:36:52 PM

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 523x490]


Wanna know what's funny about that, I just did a quick GIS and someone did research on that number. Apparently the Church of Scientology is trying to recruit followers by putting up these fake stickers (the phone number on the front goes to a Las Vegas office of theirs, either that or someone used the CoS # as a part of the fake sticker prank).
 
2013-08-25 04:40:31 PM

Mad_Radhu: Wouldn't security council nations like the US and China already be privy to anything important that was being discussed anyway? What's the point in knowing what strongly worded letter is being considered by the diplomat from Uzbekistan?


Thats cute, You think that diplomats are just there for diplomatic things and always go through proper channels
 
2013-08-25 04:42:47 PM
meh. everyone knew that everyone was trying to listen. that's why there are codes.
 
2013-08-25 04:43:06 PM
Who really cares what the UN is saying anyways?
 
2013-08-25 04:44:43 PM

Deep Contact: Who really cares what the UN is saying anyways?




If they don't have a leaked porno then I could give to shiats.
 
2013-08-25 04:46:12 PM
Why is this being leaked by hero patriot Snowden?  It is widely known information about our international spying program the leak of which serves no purpose other than to make the US look bad and give other countries an opportunity to shake their tiny fists in rage and threaten to go back on deals with us.  I am sympathetic to leaks about potential violations vis a vis US citizens but this stuff is traitorous.
 
2013-08-25 04:48:36 PM

TheOnion: backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge


Can't get more disinterested than FISA.
 
2013-08-25 04:51:16 PM

TheOnion: I'm ok with the government spying on other countries.  I'm not ok with the government spying on American citizens (without probable cause backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge in accordance with the constitution and applicable state and federal law).


^^^ This.

It's the NSA's job to keep an eye on other countries, even our allies.
I have a problem when it turns it resources on US citizens.
 
2013-08-25 04:51:48 PM

Piizzadude: Mad_Radhu: Wouldn't security council nations like the US and China already be privy to anything important that was being discussed anyway? What's the point in knowing what strongly worded letter is being considered by the diplomat from Uzbekistan?

Thats cute, You think that diplomats are just there for diplomatic things and always go through proper channels


Yeah, but what idiot would do any of those discussions through an encrypted communications system they didn't fully control. The real shady stuff would normally be happening back at the consulate. Hell, back in the Cold War years the UN guy from the USSR probably had no clue what the KGB folks back at the consulate were up to because you want to keep that info compartmentalized for the sake of security. Even if the guy has clearance, you don't tell him what he doesn't need to know.
 
2013-08-25 04:51:52 PM
Breaking news: intelligence agency gathers and analyzes intelligence, commences counter-intelligence mission in re same.
 
2013-08-25 04:57:35 PM
Better dead than Red, amirite?
 
2013-08-25 04:58:57 PM
The US was spying on the closed sessions that led to the founding of the UN.

/also yep everyone spies on everyone else. There are spooks from Scotland Yard keeping an eye on Washington
 
2013-08-25 04:59:24 PM
Remind me who the good guys are again.
 
2013-08-25 05:02:00 PM

AliceBToklasLives: The US was spying on the closed sessions that led to the founding of the UN.

/also yep everyone spies on everyone else. There are spooks from Scotland Yard keeping an eye on Washington


Generally it is a good thing, too. Politicians and generals get all crazy and paranoid when they don't know what antagonistic nations are doing. Both sides knowing what the other was up to helped keep the Cold War from turning hot.
 
2013-08-25 05:03:55 PM
The United States is as bad as Russia and China spying on its citizens and other governments.
 
2013-08-25 05:04:01 PM

b2theory: This is their job! I would be pissed if our signals intelligence agency wasn't doing this.


Not to mention that this is the job of every nation's spies.  Everyone spies on everyone else, next on ABC News Live from Ric Romero.
 
2013-08-25 05:04:20 PM
Ok, I'll bite, and I Ill actualy take the NSA's side on this one;

HEY UN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE GETTING BUGS, THEN MOVE THE HELL OUTTA NEW YORK!!!
 
2013-08-25 05:05:26 PM

Maul555: Ok, I'll bite, and I Ill actualy take the NSA's side on this one;

HEY UN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE GETTING BUGS, THEN MOVE THE HELL OUTTA NEW YORK!!!


I think the robotic cockroaches tipped them off.
 
2013-08-25 05:11:03 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TheOnion: I'm ok with the government spying on other countries.  I'm not ok with the government spying on American citizens (without probable cause backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge in accordance with the constitution and applicable state and federal law).

^^^ This.

It's the NSA's job to keep an eye on other countries, even our allies.
I have a problem when it turns it resources on US citizens.


What about US citizens living abroad?
 
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2013-08-25 05:11:59 PM
Aren't we a part of the UN and involved in the talks?  Has our surveillance machine grown so large and out of control we're now spying on ourselves?
 
2013-08-25 05:15:26 PM

ps69: Why is this being leaked by hero patriot Snowden?  It is widely known information about our international spying program the leak of which serves no purpose other than to make the US look bad and give other countries an opportunity to shake their tiny fists in rage and threaten to go back on deals with us.  I am sympathetic to leaks about potential violations vis a vis US citizens but this stuff is traitorous.


You seem to have little understanding about what happened here. Snowden isn't sitting behind a computer leaking info every day. He downloaded a whole bunch of NSA data and gave it to The Guardian.

This is why new stories are coming out almost every day. They have a whole bunch of data to go through.
 
2013-08-25 05:16:47 PM
You mean, they weren't already listening?  Damn, as a U.S. citizen, I'm kind of pissed off.  That's their goddamn job, doing stuff like that.  And the UN is the one place I would think the NSA would have completely and totally wired.  Jesus, guys - a high-ranking official from almost every nation on earth is in one place, on U.S. soil*, and you assholes haven't been listening??

I guess they were already too busy spying on U.S. citizens.

*Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, "neutral ground"... It's in farking Manhattan for Cthulhu's sake.  Seriously.
 
2013-08-25 05:17:13 PM

MNguy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: TheOnion: I'm ok with the government spying on other countries.  I'm not ok with the government spying on American citizens (without probable cause backed by a warrant from a disinterested judge in accordance with the constitution and applicable state and federal law).

^^^ This.

It's the NSA's job to keep an eye on other countries, even our allies.
I have a problem when it turns it resources on US citizens.

What about US citizens living abroad?


You've got bigger problems. This government believes it can drone US citizens living abroad.
 
2013-08-25 05:17:37 PM

FunkOut: Maul555: Ok, I'll bite, and I Ill actualy take the NSA's side on this one;

HEY UN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE GETTING BUGS, THEN MOVE THE HELL OUTTA NEW YORK!!!

I think the robotic cockroaches tipped them off.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-25 05:18:12 PM
badhatharry:

You've got bigger problems. This government believes it can drone US citizens living abroad.

*ducks*
 
2013-08-25 05:18:15 PM

FunkOut: Maul555: Ok, I'll bite, and I Ill actualy take the NSA's side on this one;

HEY UN, IF YOU DON'T LIKE GETTING BUGS, THEN MOVE THE HELL OUTTA NEW YORK!!!

I think the robotic cockroaches tipped them off.


cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-08-25 05:19:50 PM
What's more interesting from that article is that they got into a private, encrypted network setup between embassies of the EU. That's a goldmine of data right there.
 
2013-08-25 05:22:47 PM

wesmon: You seem to have little understanding about what happened here. Snowden isn't sitting behind a computer leaking info every day. He downloaded a whole bunch of NSA data and gave it to The Guardian.

This is why new stories are coming out almost every day. They have a whole bunch of data to go through.


So why did he give that to The Guardian, if he was only interested in leaking about spying on US citizens?

PERHAPS, and this may be hard to believe, but perhaps Snowden behaved in an *incredibly* ill-thought out and irresponsible manner, didn't bother to check what he'd downloaded, and instead just handed a shiat ton of it off, even if it wasn't related to his whistleblowing!
 
2013-08-25 05:24:47 PM

Felgraf: wesmon: You seem to have little understanding about what happened here. Snowden isn't sitting behind a computer leaking info every day. He downloaded a whole bunch of NSA data and gave it to The Guardian.

This is why new stories are coming out almost every day. They have a whole bunch of data to go through.

So why did he give that to The Guardian, if he was only interested in leaking about spying on US citizens?

PERHAPS, and this may be hard to believe, but perhaps Snowden behaved in an *incredibly* ill-thought out and irresponsible manner, didn't bother to check what he'd downloaded, and instead just handed a shiat ton of it off, even if it wasn't related to his whistleblowing!


It looks like the amount he gave em he probably couldn't have checked all of it. That is the impression I am getting.
 
2013-08-25 05:25:04 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: What's more interesting from that article is that they got into a private, encrypted network setup between embassies of the EU. That's a goldmine of data right there.


I still hold the most interesting ting was that they had to "get in" in the first place.  Jesus, it's in Manhattan, and built by U.S. workers.  The U.S. Intelligence community as a whole is completely incompetent if they let that opportunity get away when these things were built or installed.

Unless, of course, the whole Snowden thing is an elaborate ruse to leak out false or partial information that's less damning than the whole truth...
 
2013-08-25 05:27:07 PM
And I would still call it whistleblowing. They have already caught plenty of wrongdoing. It is on the newspapers to not reveal harmful things. They should do the redacting.

And this revelation about the U.N. hardly classifies as traitorous to me.
 
2013-08-25 05:29:00 PM

AeAe: The United States is as bad as Russia and China spying on its citizens and other governments.




The US is just as good as Russia and China on spying on their citizens.
 
2013-08-25 05:30:50 PM
wesmon:
This is why new stories are coming out almost every day. They have a whole bunch of data to go through.

This isn't a new story actually, it came out pretty soon after the whole Snowden thing started. Stuff like this is why these guys have a hard time being take seriously as whistle-blowers. The stuff about how much data the NSA was gathering about Americans was important and worthy of leaking. Operations targeting other nations are not, and those leaks hurt the US for no reason.
 
2013-08-25 05:31:55 PM

wesmon: And I would still call it whistleblowing. They have already caught plenty of wrongdoing. It is on the newspapers to not reveal harmful things. They should do the redacting.

And this revelation about the U.N. hardly classifies as traitorous to me.


This revelation? The NSA was acting according to its mandate. Next thing you know we will find out that the DOD is actually an organization of heavily armed US government employees!
 
2013-08-25 05:33:11 PM

Lars The Canadian Viking: What's more interesting from that article is that they got into a private, encrypted network setup between embassies of the EU. That's a goldmine of data right there.


encrypted multicast (video conference)  must be a PITA to secure.

hack one participant and you get everything.

At least if they'd used IPsec instead of a VPN hosted in the US, there might have been a tad more security.
 
2013-08-25 05:35:18 PM

b2theory: wesmon: And I would still call it whistleblowing. They have already caught plenty of wrongdoing. It is on the newspapers to not reveal harmful things. They should do the redacting.

And this revelation about the U.N. hardly classifies as traitorous to me.

This revelation? The NSA was acting according to its mandate. Next thing you know we will find out that the DOD is actually an organization of heavily armed US government employees!


So what is the complaint about the story then?
 
2013-08-25 05:36:08 PM
Are we still pretending that the Chinese are our friends?
 
2013-08-25 05:40:35 PM

Bslim: Remind me who the good guys are again.


The ones working on the side you are on for the purposes of most discussion. None of them are actually that morally good.
 
2013-08-25 05:40:37 PM

wesmon: It looks like the amount he gave em he probably couldn't have checked all of it. That is the impression I am getting.


So, you agree with "incredibly irresponsible", then. Good to know.
 
2013-08-25 05:41:56 PM

BizarreMan: Should I have a problem with spying on the UN?
Should I be surprised that the Chinese were doing the same?


Really? Because just a couple of months ago the Obama administration was going on and on about those evil Chinese hackers.
 
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