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(Japan Times)   Leaks in Fukushima No. 1 radioactive water tank attributed to blown seals. Yet another fetish that ends badly for all concerned   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 52
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2013-08-25 12:46:36 PM
oi44.tinypic.com

"Well, I thought it worth it."
 
2013-08-25 12:57:13 PM
WTF is wrong with you, Japan?

/seriously... this seafood fetish stuff has gone WAY too far
 
2013-08-25 02:09:51 PM
No, no it's just ice cream
 
2013-08-25 03:25:52 PM
Fix the damn thing...
 
2013-08-25 03:45:59 PM

NuttierThanEver: No, no it's just ice cream


Damn, too slow.
 
2013-08-25 03:46:58 PM

NuttierThanEver: No, no it's just ice cream


Came for the ice cream, wiping off my chin and leaving.
 
2013-08-25 03:48:43 PM
What do the Challenger engineers, Fukushima, and a male walrus all have in common?

They're all looking for a tight seal.
 
2013-08-25 03:53:23 PM
"On Aug. 19, Tepco revealed that 300 tons of the tainted water had vanished from the tank, marking the fifth and worst leak there since the March 2011 mega-quake and tsunami triggered the man-made disaster."

Once I ran to you,
Now I'll run from you,
This tainted water you've given,
I give you all a seal could give you,
Take my irradiated tears and that's not nearly alllllllllllllllllllllll !!!
 
2013-08-25 03:53:46 PM
Actually, the resulting mutated species will be a welcome addition to the Japanase palate.

Anyone who will willingly eat a dried goats penis amongst other things, will just the mutations!
 
2013-08-25 03:54:38 PM

Makh: Fix the damn thing...


and leave my private life out of it. Ok, pal?


/Now I'll have that damn song in my head all day. Thanks, Fark!
 
2013-08-25 03:55:46 PM
and not just a blown seal problem...
sounds like a spit don't swallow one too.
 
2013-08-25 03:55:58 PM
Loose seal!
 
2013-08-25 03:57:36 PM
Great, now the radiation will give MORE creatures tentacles. Thanks, Japan!

/No, really. Thank you.
 
2013-08-25 03:57:56 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: What do the Challenger engineers, Fukushima, and a male walrus all have in common?

They're all looking for a tight seal.


Forgot Tupperware.
 
2013-08-25 03:59:29 PM

Makh: Fix the damn thing...


How about you fix it. The guy that was in charge has already died of cancer. They need to move those rods, but if two of them touch and fission starts, that's all she wrote.
 
2013-08-25 04:01:03 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: Loose seal!


You picked a fine time to leave me
 
2013-08-25 04:04:46 PM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: Sock Ruh Tease: Loose seal!

You picked a fine time to leave me


Hehe.
 
2013-08-25 04:13:08 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-08-25 04:17:24 PM
annatestpages.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-25 04:27:04 PM
I it was something dangerous then they would have put it in a more permanent tank. Sheesh people
 
2013-08-25 04:31:18 PM
Aww- I miss Gorgor at times like these.
 
2013-08-25 04:37:29 PM

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Aww- I miss Gorgor at times like these.


Approves
 
2013-08-25 04:46:01 PM
Good thing it isn't leaking coal.
 
2013-08-25 04:46:18 PM
in case that statement was not a troll; Two fuel rods touching would not reach criticality in the sense of an atomic bomb; they would just get hot.  The fuel is not anywhere near pure enough or concentrated enough to create a fission explosion.
 
2013-08-25 04:47:47 PM
Subby, do you have your Fukushima confused with your Futanaria?

/knows nothing about that
//nope
///blames fark
 
2013-08-25 04:53:49 PM
i1280.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 04:54:19 PM
That headline is awful, and you should feel awful.
 
2013-08-25 04:54:22 PM
i2.cdnds.net

They should call in an expert.
 
2013-08-25 04:55:45 PM

Triumph: Makh: Fix the damn thing...

How about you fix it. The guy that was in charge has already died of cancer. They need to move those rods, but if two of them touch and fission starts, that's all she wrote.


ummm. Dunno if that's true, but if it is.... fark.

Tokyo is in the running for the 2012 Olympics, along with Istanbul and Madrid. None of those sites inspire a lot of confidence, if this is the way things are handled in Japan right now.
 
2013-08-25 05:00:24 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i2.cdnds.net image 618x940]

They should call in an expert.


Heidi heidi heidi ho.............
content.artofmanliness.com
/hawt
 
2013-08-25 05:02:37 PM

Any Pie Left: in case that statement was not a troll; Two fuel rods touching would not reach criticality in the sense of an atomic bomb; they would just get hot.  The fuel is not anywhere near pure enough or concentrated enough to create a fission explosion.


"Just get hot" as in burst into flame releasing a cloud of Hydrogen gas which eventually explodes scattering deadly radioactive material everywhere in the area.  Tiny compared to even a small nuke, but VERY dirty.

I find it hard to believe any sane engineer would ever allow a reactor design like the one at Fukushima to ever be seriously considered, let alone built.  Especially considering there are far safer options for nuclear power.

Yet we got dozens them all over the place.  A lot of them built in earthquake zones, and all of them coming up on (or past) their design life.
 
2013-08-25 05:05:29 PM

Riche: Any Pie Left: in case that statement was not a troll; Two fuel rods touching would not reach criticality in the sense of an atomic bomb; they would just get hot.  The fuel is not anywhere near pure enough or concentrated enough to create a fission explosion.

"Just get hot" as in burst into flame releasing a cloud of Hydrogen gas which eventually explodes scattering deadly radioactive material everywhere in the area.  Tiny compared to even a small nuke, but VERY dirty.



images.topix.com

Also tiny but very dirty.
 
2013-08-25 05:11:19 PM

cc_rider: Makh: Fix the damn thing...

and leave my private life out of it. Ok, pal?


/Now I'll have that damn song in my head all day. Thanks, Fark!


Never was there a more appropriate time, and it was the first thing that ran through my head after reading the headline.
 
2013-08-25 05:16:50 PM
This is nothing compared to what is coming from the radiologicial disaster site in Fukushima. Think extinction level events.

But nuclear is clean, safe and cost efficient!
 
2013-08-25 05:21:47 PM

Any Pie Left: in case that statement was not a troll; Two fuel rods touching would not reach criticality in the sense of an atomic bomb; they would just get hot.  The fuel is not anywhere near pure enough or concentrated enough to create a fission explosion.


Let a couple touch and the reaction will quickly run away as the entire fuel pile melts. It will be the first days of Chernobyl all over again. I have no idea how things will turn out without thousands of conscripts working to stop it.

Does the reactor even have a concrete fuel spill reservour?
 
2013-08-25 05:34:03 PM

PainfulItching: How about you fix it. The guy that was in charge has already died of cancer. They need to move those rods, but if two of them touch and fission starts, that's all she wrote.

ummm. Dunno if that's true, but if it is.... fark.


Oh it's true:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/14/us-japan-fukushima-insight -i dUSBRE97D00M20130814

And that's sugar-coated corporate news. The alt-news sites are in full-on bed-wetting mode.
 
2013-08-25 05:55:21 PM

Triumph: PainfulItching: How about you fix it. The guy that was in charge has already died of cancer. They need to move those rods, but if two of them touch and fission starts, that's all she wrote.

ummm. Dunno if that's true, but if it is.... fark.

Oh it's true:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/14/us-japan-fukushima-insight -i dUSBRE97D00M20130814

And that's sugar-coated corporate news. The alt-news sites are in full-on bed-wetting mode.


That article is really true. The uranium and daughter products are pretty reactive to oxygen, and will catch fire if they get hot enough. A criticality event in a reactor chamber would be a disaster since the heat and increased radioactive flux will warp the fuel rods still in there, meaning you won't be able to remove them. Think a round peg in a round hole that suddenly turns into a square peg.

I wonder if lead shot poured into the reactor coolant lines would settle out in the bottom of the vessel and shut them down permanently? I have a sneaking suspicion if that were possible that TEPCO wouldn't do it because all their precious uranium wouldn't be able to be recovered.
 
2013-08-25 05:57:16 PM

Triumph: The alt-news sites are in full-on bed-wetting mode.


True statement at any time for any situation, unfortunately. Hard to calibrate my meters when those outlets are always at Code Red for everything.
 
2013-08-25 06:08:00 PM
I'm the only gay Eskimo. . . .

/I hope that's not obscure
 
2013-08-25 06:20:27 PM

Peki: I'm the only gay Eskimo. . . .

/I hope that's not obscure


How was that trip with your best friend Tarka?
 
2013-08-25 07:20:34 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Riche: Any Pie Left: in case that statement was not a troll; Two fuel rods touching would not reach criticality in the sense of an atomic bomb; they would just get hot.  The fuel is not anywhere near pure enough or concentrated enough to create a fission explosion.

"Just get hot" as in burst into flame releasing a cloud of Hydrogen gas which eventually explodes scattering deadly radioactive material everywhere in the area.  Tiny compared to even a small nuke, but VERY dirty.


[images.topix.com image 386x585]

Also tiny but very dirty.


I met her i a bar in San Fran years ago.  She used to advertise herself for bachelor parties with the tagline, "She will suck every cock dry in the house."
 
2013-08-25 08:06:08 PM
Where are all the noooocleeaarr experts on these websites touting the genius of mankind and the safety of nuclear power generation.  Seriously they should all be in Japan sucking up all the radiation with their ego........You do not have the knowledge, money or technology to stop this.  For the next ....how many years is this....going to lets say "fark" up not only that region but create other problems in an open ended system  (not in a test tube/lab)?

Farkin' "scientists" actually think they have a farking brain...you built it, you designed it, you created this farking mess........now farking fix it!    Except you can't.
 
2013-08-25 08:23:10 PM
Riche:  enough to create a fission explosion.

"Just get hot" as in burst into flame releasing a cloud of Hydrogen gas which eventually explodes scattering deadly radioactive material everywhere in the area.  Tiny compared to even a small nuke, but VERY dirty.


No.  First off, there's virtually nothing in the reactor vessels that's left to generate hydrogen (there's a small amount made by radiolysis, but it's trivial).  Second, the fuel's been noncritical for well over 2 years.  The decay heat has gone pretty low.  It's not hot enough to 'burst into flame'.  Furel of this age is taken and examined in hot cells all the time.  It doesn't just 'burst into flame'.  Once the fuel's been subcritical for a few months, the danger point is basically past.  There's a LOT of research into this, try reading it some day.  If this was regular rector fuel, it'd be reaching the point where dry storage would be possible.

Finally - it's unlikely that there COULD be a critical reaction at this point.  The geometry required to actually achieve one is touchy, and the fuel itself is a lump at the bottom of the reactor vessel.  The water on top of it makes for a horrid moderator, and there's all the internals (stainless) mixed in with the fuel.  This is evidenced by that fact that there's no xenon or iodine production going on.  The absence of both means there's no chain reaction going on.

I find it hard to believe any sane engineer would ever allow a reactor design like the one at Fukushima to ever be seriously considered, let alone built.  Especially considering there are far safer options for nuclear power.

*shrug*  It was what was they thought up in the 50's.  The BWR has a lot of outstanding features.  Pretty much the only real drawback it has is the decay heat requires active cooling for a long time period (months) after shutdown.  Remember that these plants were tiny in the 50's when they first were designed.  They handled differently.  Then they grew tenfold (actually, more) in size.

Yet we got dozens them all over the place.  A lot of them built in earthquake zones, and all of them coming up on (or past) their design life.

There's no hard and fast design life on a large plant like a nuke.  A well maintained one can last decades, the flip side is a poorly maintained one can get wasted pretty fast.  Look at Zion and Rancho Secco - both were retired way before their licenses expired, mostly because the utilities running them had no clue what they were doing and ran the plants into the ground (Zion needed steam grnerators at an abnormally young age. Rancho Seco?  Who the fark lets a municipal water department run a nuclear plant?).  The flip side is Oyster Creek and nine Mile point are still running quite well, and Ginnea is almost as old and nobody even talks about that place.
 
2013-08-25 08:31:51 PM
Stibium:
A criticality event in a reactor chamber would be a disaster since the heat and increased radioactive flux will warp the fuel rods still in there, meaning you won't be able to remove them.

You are aware that a lot of the fuel at Three Mile Island was effectively jackhammer out of the reactor, right?  The 'fuel rods' at Fukushima most certainly don't exist anymore, since the cores were exposed to air for so long.  They no doubt melted and the fuel is now a lump at the bottom of the reactor vessel.  Early research suggested a melt through at unit 1, but they're now of the opinion that didn't happen (it wasn't seen when they dropped a camera into the containment and the radiation measurements in there don't support it).

Think a round peg in a round hole that suddenly turns into a square peg.

Watch the video on the cleanup of TMI some day.  Fukushima will no doubt be the same but tougher.

I wonder if lead shot poured into the reactor coolant lines would settle out in the bottom of the vessel and shut them down permanently?

There's no chain reaction going on.  The problem is that the reactor has so many holes at the bottom (control rods, sensors, etc).  What's really the problem is that the penetrations to the containment failed, which IIRC indicates temperatures over 500 degrees F (I have an article on the BWR containment failure modes somewhere on my computer).  What TEPCO *should* be doing with it's cute little robots is canvasing the reactor building for the sources of these leaks and trying to find a way to plug them.

IMHO, it's time an international effort take over from TEPCO.  They're clearly way in over their head, and in the typical Japanese fashion, they refuse to admit it.
 
2013-08-25 09:03:46 PM

NuttierThanEver: No, no it's just ice cream


...leaving happy...
 
2013-08-25 09:05:56 PM

PsychoPhil: Stibium:
A criticality event in a reactor chamber would be a disaster since the heat and increased radioactive flux will warp the fuel rods still in there, meaning you won't be able to remove them.

You are aware that a lot of the fuel at Three Mile Island was effectively jackhammer out of the reactor, right?  The 'fuel rods' at Fukushima most certainly don't exist anymore, since the cores were exposed to air for so long.  They no doubt melted and the fuel is now a lump at the bottom of the reactor vessel.  Early research suggested a melt through at unit 1, but they're now of the opinion that didn't happen (it wasn't seen when they dropped a camera into the containment and the radiation measurements in there don't support it).

Think a round peg in a round hole that suddenly turns into a square peg.

Watch the video on the cleanup of TMI some day.  Fukushima will no doubt be the same but tougher.

I wonder if lead shot poured into the reactor coolant lines would settle out in the bottom of the vessel and shut them down permanently?

There's no chain reaction going on.  The problem is that the reactor has so many holes at the bottom (control rods, sensors, etc).  What's really the problem is that the penetrations to the containment failed, which IIRC indicates temperatures over 500 degrees F (I have an article on the BWR containment failure modes somewhere on my computer).  What TEPCO *should* be doing with it's cute little robots is canvasing the reactor building for the sources of these leaks and trying to find a way to plug them.

IMHO, it's time an international effort take over from TEPCO.  They're clearly way in over their head, and in the typical Japanese fashion, they refuse to admit it.


I hope you realise that the article talks about spent rods that were in an adjacent containment pool, and that reactor 4 was empty, right?

For the other three, it's a different story, and it's quite possible there's a big lump of corium at the bottom of the chamber that they will probably have to leave in place and cover with a big concrete tombstone.
 
2013-08-25 09:50:06 PM
It was one of those damn seals that caused the shuttle Challenger to crash too.
We gotta do something about those farkin' seals.

s22.postimg.org
 
2013-08-25 10:02:28 PM

PsychoPhil: No. First off, there's virtually nothing in the reactor vessels that's left to generate hydrogen


They aren't talking about the reactor wessels. After three mile island, they didn't open the reactor I think till 1987, eight years after the accident.  They weren't done removing fuel till 1993.  Pretty much a given that they won't even try to open the reactors till 2020 or so.

They are talking about removing spent fuel rods from the cooling ponds next to the reactors.  Ugly since the machinery that would be normally used for that is kaputz.  Makes sense to get those out, since then one less thing to have to cool. Still probably several times more spent fuel in the ponds than in the reactors themselves. It's a game of pickup sticks you don't want to lose.
 
2013-08-25 10:26:04 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: This is nothing compared to what is coming from the radiologicial disaster site in Fukushima. Think extinction level events.

But nuclear is clean, safe and cost efficient!


Clean, safe, too cheap to meter.
 
2013-08-25 10:27:02 PM

Makh: Fix the damn thing...


It was April the forty-first
 Being a quadruple leap year
 I was driving in downtown Atlantis
 My barracuda was in the shop
 So I was in a rented stingray
 And it was overheating

 So I pulled into a Shell Station
 They said I'd blown a seal
 I said, "Fix the damn thing
 And leave my private life out of it
 Okay pal?"

 While they were doing that
 I walked over to a place called the Oyster Bar, a real dive
 But I knew the owner
 He used to play for the Dolphins
 I said "Hi Gil"
 You have to yell, he's hard of herring

Think I had a wet dream
 Cruisin' thru the Gulf Stream
 Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh
 Wet dream

/I don't really need to quote the whole song, do I?
 
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