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(LA Times)   NSA is having flashbacks to the Watergate era, only this time they're the ones getting ratted out   (latimes.com) divider line 39
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2013-08-25 12:50:54 PM
Those disclosures came days after an internal report leaked by Snowden revealed that the NSA had logged more than 2,700 violations of privacy rules in a one-year period. The report said all were inadvertent mistakes caused by technical glitches and operator errors.

please

next you will try to tell us that the FISA court provides actual oversight, rather than works as a rubber stamp.
 
2013-08-25 01:49:54 PM
President Obama acknowledged Friday that many Americans had lost trust in the nation's largest intelligence agency

What's more disturbing to me is that there was any trust to be lost in the first place.

I'm not blaming Obama.  He is just continuing a long line of tradition which dates back to before I was even born.
 
2013-08-25 01:52:49 PM
Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.
 
2013-08-25 01:53:44 PM
 morale at the spy agency responsible for intercepting communications of terrorists and foreign adversaries has plummeted

Aw, we huwt Big Bwothas feewings.
 
2013-08-25 01:55:40 PM

cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.


Some people are able to both have sex and care about world events.
 
2013-08-25 02:02:22 PM
So, because they self-report a small handful of inconsequential breaches of privacy, we're supposed to believe that they aren't just doing that just as a cover to smokescreen more egregious mistakes, or, worse, willful violations of policy. When your job involves an assumtion that errors will be made and you are your own police man, you report the bare minimum to keep people off your back and out of your business.
 
2013-08-25 02:02:28 PM
So, like Nixon, they expect to get away with it.

/someone please go crap on Ford's grave now
 
2013-08-25 02:03:15 PM

cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.


You say that until you get arrested for sodomy because of the Xbox One camera in your bedroom.
 
2013-08-25 02:03:21 PM
 
2013-08-25 02:07:53 PM
I'm not as worried about what we know the NSA is up as I am about what we don't know the NSA (or some other secret government entity/entities) might be up to.
 
2013-08-25 02:08:04 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: http://gawker.com/the-u-s-bugged-the-unites-nations-headquarters-1197 1 02036

Somebody's about to get a strongly worded letter


FTFA:  "The data traffic gives us internal video teleconferences of the United Nations (yay!)," one document said.

Yay!

Oh, yeah, these guys are real serious.  I trust them not to abuse power.
 
2013-08-25 02:08:34 PM

sendtodave: cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.

Some people are able to both have sex and care about world events.


That news playing out is just kabuki theater for the masses. The real covert stuff isn't being affected in the slightest, and the people who matter don't care one whit how this is playing out in the media.

That being the case, I choose not to worry about what I cannot have any impact on. Better for the constitution.

Save me the " your apathy is part of the problem" rhetoric, you all have your opinions and I have mine. Forgive me for not having my panties in a bunch.
 
2013-08-25 02:08:44 PM

cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.


You know that some sexual positions are illegal, right?
 
2013-08-25 02:08:46 PM

This is my shocked face.

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2013-08-25 02:15:15 PM
The NSA WILL steal your business plans, ideas, proprietary information and make a profit doing it.  Nothing will stop them from doing it.

Most likely some innovative NSAer will be able to bring your brilliant business idea to market before you, because he stole the idea by ease dropping.
 
2013-08-25 02:18:42 PM

Joce678: cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.

You know that some sexual positions are illegal, right?


A Farker doing something extra-legal?  Never!
 
2013-08-25 02:19:59 PM

sendtodave: cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.

Some people are able to both have sex and care about world events.


I'm just a liter. You can't expect too much from me.
 
2013-08-25 02:23:44 PM

TheGreatGazoo: cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.

You say that until you get arrested for sodomy because of the Xbox One camera in your bedroom.


I am happy to report that sodomy is, in fact, on the menu this evening. You hear that, NSA?!?  Buttsecks. Right here in God's country.

Is it still a sin if I only last 2 minutes?!?
 
2013-08-25 02:24:20 PM

cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.


First they came for the people who give a shiat about their world...
 
2013-08-25 02:40:01 PM

JerkyMeat: The NSA WILL steal your business plans, ideas, proprietary information and make a profit doing it.  Nothing will stop them from doing it.

Most likely some innovative NSAer will be able to bring your brilliant business idea to market before you, because he stole the idea by ease dropping.


At the very least. It would take the mind of a fine novelist to project all the possible scenarios possible with misuse of such information:

1) Revenge on the business of a father-in-law blamed for the breakup of a marriage
2) Revealing embarrassing medical information on an ex-BF/GF who scorned you
3) Screwing up someone's credit rating, to get even
4) Switching around biodata or criminal records, like Charley Varrick did in the dentist's office breakin.

...and so on and so on. I'm not even started. Anybody who thinks this couldn't affect them is living in a dangerous dreamland.

/ Thinking James Ellroy...
 
2013-08-25 02:43:57 PM
"Between all the safeguards and checks that we put in place within the executive branch, and the federal court oversight that takes place on the program, and congressional oversight, people are still concerned as to whether their emails are being read or their phone calls are being listened to."
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Because you lie to us all the time and you cannot be trusted with so much power.
 
2013-08-25 02:44:02 PM

cygnusx13: I am happy to report that sodomy is, in fact, on the menu this evening. You hear that, NSA?!? Buttsecks. Right here in God's country.


"Suspect is challenging our authority and making an indecent scene in public. Requesting SWAT intervention"
 
2013-08-25 02:50:16 PM

gfid: I'm not blaming Obama.  He is just continuing a long line of tradition which dates back to before I was even born.


I do.  He ran on a campaign of being the Light Bringer (tm) to dispell the darkness of BushiatlerCheneyVader.  Most Transparent Administration Ever, remember?  Every week there seems to be a relevation that requires a clarification or downplaying of abuse of the system that's only expanded since W left.  If Obama gets the credit for killing Bin Laden, he gets to own the NSA mess as well.

But enough bellyaching about the past.  What's he doing about it?  So far, all I ever hear is variations on "You can trust us, safeguards are in place."  No one's been fired, no new oversight laws or independent reviewers are in place.  There are no indications of ANY corrective action to prevent further abuse or inform the public when the system is being abused.  How do you NOT blame Obama for that?
 
2013-08-25 02:52:00 PM

CBob: So, like Nixon, they expect to get away with it.

/someone please go crap on Ford's grave now


Ford deserves a whole lot of blame for this whole bipartisan "the Executive Branch should not be held accountable for criminal actions" thing that has continued on unabated since then.
 
2013-08-25 02:54:04 PM

derplicious: I'm not as worried about what we know the NSA is up as I am about what we don't know the NSA (or some other secret government entity/entities) might be up to.


It is possible to be too paranoid to function you know. You're on the cusp here.
 
2013-08-25 02:58:44 PM
How do you spell:

Apple
Microsoft
Google
Facebook
Yahoo
Oracle
Visa
Bank of America
Master Card
Discover Card
Walmart
Target
JP Morgan
Equifax
Experian
TransUnion?


Easy, they are all spelled N.S.A.
And there are more, many, many more.

blogs.computerworld.com
"Now you know how I was able to afford my own Hawaiian island."
www.buzzreactor.com
"Now you know how I became the richest guy in the world."

The damage this has done to America's reputation is immense.  We have only just begun to see the ripple effect across the world.  The first estimate last week is that this will cost US businesses about 35 Billion a year.  And you can kiss the cloud goodbye.  No business in another country will use US services, software, networks, banking, retail if they have a choice.  And of course, there will be more choices coming up.  Their main selling point will be, "We don't give all your data to spooks."

We done goofed
 
2013-08-25 03:03:42 PM
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2013-08-25 03:09:36 PM
He added, "Between all the safeguards and checks that we put in place within the executive branch, and the federal court oversight that takes place on the program, and congressional oversight, people are still concerned as to whether their emails are being read or their phone calls are being listened to."

Let's examine that.

When Obama originally claimed that Congress had oversight, they immediately started calling BULLSHIAT.

Here's the author of the Patriot Act:

As I have said numerous times, I did not know the administration was using the Patriot Act for bulk collection, and neither did a majority of my colleagues. Regardless, the suggestion that the administration can violate the law because Congress failed to object is outrageous. But let them be on notice: I am objecting right now.

Then we have the FISA court, which is structurally incapable of real oversight.

The chief judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said the court lacks the tools to independently verify how often the government's surveillance breaks the court's rules that aim to protect Americans' privacy. Without taking drastic steps, it also cannot check the veracity of the government's assertions that the violations its staff members report are unintentional mistakes.

"The FISC is forced to rely upon the accuracy of the information that is provided to the Court," its chief, U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton, said in a written statement to The Washington Post.


So if the FISA court cannot verify the information it is given, it's very important to know if accurate information is being given to them. (Unlike Congress where we know the Obama administration has been lying.)

A federal judge sharply rebuked the National Security Agency in 2011 for repeatedly misleading the court that oversees its surveillance on domestic soil, including a program that is collecting tens of thousands of domestic e-mails and other Internet communications of Americans each year, according to a secret ruling made public on Wednesday.

The 85-page ruling by Judge John D. Bates, then serving as chief judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, involved an N.S.A. program that systematically searches the contents of Americans' international Internet communications, without a warrant, in a hunt for discussions about foreigners who have been targeted for surveillance.

The Justice Department had told Judge Bates that N.S.A. officials had discovered that the program had also been gathering domestic messages for three years. Judge Bates found that the agency had violated the Constitution and declared the problems part of a pattern of misrepresentation by agency officials in submissions to the secret court.


So, yes. The Obama administration has been lying to the FISA court as well.

I'm not sure how he has the nerve to claim that there is any oversight going on at all.
 
2013-08-25 03:11:46 PM
Emboldening the enemies of our Freedomstm.
 
2013-08-25 03:23:39 PM
"But intelligence officials say the problems are fundamentally different."

Yeah, back then it was politicians spying on other politicians.  Now it's the government spying on innocent Americans.
 
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2013-08-25 04:01:08 PM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2013-08-25 04:07:57 PM
So, everything is okay now, right?
 
2013-08-25 04:28:41 PM
"Morale at the agency has plummeted."
Only at the executive level, because now their Black Ops fantasies are going 'poof!'
And some of the screen jockeys can't spy on their ex-wives and underage nieces any longer.
 
2013-08-25 05:45:44 PM
 
2013-08-25 06:22:44 PM

redmid17: Yes the NSA never, ever abuses its power

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/08/23/nsa-officers-sometimes-spy- on -love-interests/




NSA said in a statement Friday that there have been "very rare" instances of willful violations of any kind in the past decade, and none have violated key surveillance laws.

See, none?
 
2013-08-25 06:46:44 PM

StoPPeRmobile: NSA said in a statement Friday that there have been "very rare" instances of willful violations of any kind in the past decade, and none have violated key surveillance laws.


Thank goodness they've never been caught lying to us in the past, so we can trust them!
 
2013-08-25 07:09:22 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-25 07:20:34 PM

JerkyMeat: The NSA WILL steal your business plans, ideas, proprietary information and make a profit doing it.  Nothing will stop them from doing it.

Most likely some innovative NSAer will be able to bring your brilliant business idea to market before you, because he stole the idea by ease dropping.


asd-hs.wikispaces.com

Doon't spit mah trade secrets oot laik that, mon!  I worked hahrd t' get tha' Patent Office gig!
 
2013-08-25 10:30:03 PM

cygnusx13: Meanwhile, I'll go on living my life. GF coming home from a week on the Colorado River. Will spend the afternoon cleaning up the evidence, erm, mess. Then doing some stretching in preparation for this evening's reunion.

In other words, I don't care about the NSA's shenanigans. I'm selfish like that.


In honesty, he is probably a statist. Downplaying this incident is a popular form of defense, once it is apparent that attacking the messenger will no longer work.

Some Total Farkers just avoid these threads, and some claim to not care, despite taking the time to post about the issue.
 
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