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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   Screw you Jethro Tull. Happy 25th Anniversary "...And Justice For All"   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 119
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2013-08-25 12:47:36 PM
Hey...just cuz the Grammy judges are clueless is no reason to hate on Tull.
 
2013-08-25 01:13:33 PM
I kind of think it's even more tragic that the black album beat out Rust in Peace.
 
2013-08-25 02:08:29 PM
Damn shame Metallica stopped recording after this album.

/no they have not released any music since then, lalalalalalala I'm not listening to you
 
2013-08-25 02:40:54 PM
A travesty, yes, but, it did help to out Lars Ulrich as the biatchiest biatch who ever biatched, so...
 
2013-08-25 03:09:02 PM
Maybe not their best album but by far my favorite. I'm really not sure why I love it so much but this is one of my most listened to albums. Just something about it...
 
2013-08-25 03:43:55 PM
Metallica might have sold out and became biatches about Napster but in the GnR/Metallica tour at least they showed up on time.
 
2013-08-25 03:55:18 PM
metallica had a reality show and a band therapist to talk about "feelings".  That is not rock n roll.
 
2013-08-25 03:57:14 PM
A good album ruined by terrible production.
 
2013-08-25 03:57:21 PM
I'd rather listen to Tull than Metallica.

Also, BARGAINS! Imprisoning me! All that I see!
 
2013-08-25 04:00:59 PM
Ah, yes, the final album before Metallica disbanded and were individually killed in unfortunate accidents.

Oh, well. Maybe they were just out of good ideas, anyway. They could have gone on to be one of those bands that started strong, peaked early, then sucked major wind for the last 20-odd years.
 
2013-08-25 04:04:19 PM
Bob rock ruined them. They should have stuck with Flemming.
 
2013-08-25 04:04:21 PM
I guess this will be a loaded question that reveals my music taste, but what's so bad about the Black Album? I thought it was good. I've heard worse music.
 
2013-08-25 04:05:23 PM

Snapper Carr: A good album ruined by terrible production.


No shiat. It didn't help that Fleming Rasmussen was a goddamn asshole who buried Jason Newstead's bass in the mix.

Example.
 
2013-08-25 04:07:44 PM

Tellingthem: Maybe not their best album but by far my favorite. I'm really not sure why I love it so much but this is one of my most listened to albums. Just something about it...


At the time I just loved the "long form" songs. Nine minutes of "...And Justice for All"? Sign me up. Although "Harvester of Sorrow" was my favorite track.
 
2013-08-25 04:09:42 PM

theorellior: Snapper Carr: A good album ruined by terrible production.

No shiat. It didn't help that Fleming Rasmussen was a goddamn asshole who buried Jason Newstead's bass in the mix.

Example.


Well, that one note loses its allure after a while.
 
2013-08-25 04:11:29 PM

NuttierThanEver: Damn shame Metallica stopped recording after this album.


Damn shame. Coulda been huge.
 
2013-08-25 04:19:38 PM
I didn't realize that many people on here hated Black album so much.  I wouldn't call it their best stuff, but it wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2013-08-25 04:20:55 PM
i285.photobucket.com

/"hard" rockers are always the whiniest b*tches....
 
2013-08-25 04:27:00 PM

AntonChigger: I didn't realize that many people on here hated Black album so much.  I wouldn't call it their best stuff, but it wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination.


It wasn't bad, it was just a harbinger of things to come.
 
2013-08-25 04:42:43 PM
I know people who actually like St. Anger. As in they still listen to it.

Seriously.

Just thought you all should know...
 
2013-08-25 04:44:26 PM

Lernaeus: Ah, yes, the final album before Metallica disbanded and were individually killed in unfortunate accidents.

Oh, well. Maybe they were just out of good ideas, anyway. They could have gone on to be one of those bands that started strong, peaked early, then sucked major wind for the last 20-odd years.


The real Metallica were kidnapped by aliens and replaced by robotic replicas. It's all here.
 
2013-08-25 04:51:29 PM

FunkOut: The real Metallica were kidnapped by aliens and replaced by robotic replicas.


It's a natural progression when you segue from being marginalized angry teens with guitars into men with more money than Croesus.

i35.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-25 04:52:01 PM

skinink: I guess this will be a loaded question that reveals my music taste, but what's so bad about the Black Album? I thought it was good. I've heard worse music.


There's nothing wrong with the Black album. The people who don't like it are just trolling or wrong.

Fun Fact

"One" is the best song on "...And Justice For All."
 
2013-08-25 04:57:04 PM

theorellior: FunkOut: The real Metallica were kidnapped by aliens and replaced by robotic replicas.

It's a natural progression when you segue from being marginalized angry teens with guitars into men with more money than Croesus.

[i35.tinypic.com image 500x732]


So minus the money...they would not only have remained behaving like marginalised angry teens but also stuck in the 80s.

I think I just figured out what's up with one of my neighbours.
 
2013-08-25 04:58:44 PM

theorellior: AntonChigger: I didn't realize that many people on here hated Black album so much.  I wouldn't call it their best stuff, but it wasn't terrible by any stretch of the imagination.

It wasn't bad, it was just a harbinger of things to come.


Black album is heavily commercialized and got overplayed on radio, but it really only has a couple of weak tracks on it.
    I actually like the Load album quite a bit, although I will agree it really isn't "Metallica" like their 80s material, its still way better than their new stuff.  I think I listened to both St Anger and Death Magnetic exactly once each and both were totally forgettable.  Load definitely was bizarre at first, like a "how the f*ck is this Metallica?" feeling,  but its a solid (perhaps more mature?) album and I grew to appreciate it more after repeated play and as I got older.
 
2013-08-25 05:00:21 PM

skinink: I guess this will be a loaded question that reveals my music taste, but what's so bad about the Black Album? I thought it was good. I've heard worse music.


I see what you did there.
 
2013-08-25 05:03:05 PM
Blood Fire Death was robbed,


and fark lametallica, sellout trash, and poser 'metal' listeners who adore them.
 
2013-08-25 05:14:17 PM
"Lulu" is the best they've ever done.

/ducks
//runs out of thread
 
2013-08-25 05:15:53 PM

Leader O'Cola: Blood Fire Death was robbed, and fark lametallica, sellout trash, and poser 'metal' listeners who adore them.

theawesomer.com
 
2013-08-25 05:15:55 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I actually like the Load album quite a bit, although I will agree it really isn't "Metallica" like their 80s material, its still way better than their new stuff.  I think I listened to both St Anger and Death Magnetic exactly once each and both were totally forgettable.  Load definitely was bizarre at first, like a "how the f*ck is this Metallica?" feeling,  but its a solid (perhaps more mature?) album and I grew to appreciate it more after repeated play and as I got older.

I think if you condense the best of Load and ReLoad into one album you get a brilliant album.

I disagree on your opinion of Death Magnetic though. I think it's the album they should have released after Justice.

One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.

 
2013-08-25 05:17:43 PM
JETHRO TULL is a highly innovative and original rock band.

They were pioneers back in the 60s. Their musicality rivals the likes of ZAPPA and KING CRIMSON.

Iommi from BLACK SABBATH claims he learned his "professional ethics" from Ian Anderson.

Alex Lifeson of RUSH cites Martin Barre from TULL as a "major influence" on his playing.

Metallica is a derivative metal band that recycles clichés from the 70s.


period.
 
2013-08-25 05:18:25 PM
I have played flute for years. It's very metal.
 
2013-08-25 05:21:08 PM
I'll credit Metallica and And Justice For all for this: 'One' was the song that personally transformed metal from 'what the dropout kids at school listened to' to 'holy shiat this stuff rocks'.
 
2013-08-25 05:21:57 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [i285.photobucket.com image 609x764]

/"hard" rockers are always the whiniest b*tches....


www.ram.org

Seriously.  Get back to me when Lars can do a concert standing like this...
 
2013-08-25 05:25:19 PM

RatMaster999: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [i285.photobucket.com image 609x764]

/"hard" rockers are always the whiniest b*tches....

[www.ram.org image 640x480]

Seriously.  Get back to me when Lars can do a concert standing like this...


Well, to be fair, he's certainly NOT using that other leg for double bass drumming.
heh.
 
2013-08-25 05:27:54 PM

Evilsmurf: One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.


Hmm...

Black Sabbath.

Not only the greatest three album streak (arguably with Paranoid, Masters of Reality and Volume 4) but in my opinion the greatest six album streak ever.

I tried looking for a three album streak from Frank Zappa but every time there's one album that messes it up, the closest I got to a perfect streak is with Joe's Garage/Tinseltown Rebellion/Shut Up.
I'll try it with other bands but Sabbath and Zappa jumped out as obvious contenders, surprised that the older me has FZ that rate less highly now but I guess that's how it goes.
 
2013-08-25 05:51:29 PM
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2013-08-25 05:56:37 PM

AkaDad: "One" is the best song on "...And Justice For All."


One is one of the best rock songs ever.

/ would love to see Hetfield sing the "Bargains, Imprisoning me" version sometime
 
2013-08-25 05:59:37 PM
If only those young rockers that made that album could have known what assholes they would become 25 years later.
 
2013-08-25 06:11:17 PM

Tellingthem: Maybe not their best album but by far my favorite. I'm really not sure why I love it so much but this is one of my most listened to albums. Just something about it...


I never really got into "Crest of a Knave".  My favorite was probably Stormwatch.  I guess you must like keyboards more than me.
 
2013-08-25 06:12:09 PM

theorellior: FunkOut: The real Metallica were kidnapped by aliens and replaced by robotic replicas.

It's a natural progression when you segue from being marginalized angry teens with guitars into men with more money than Croesus.

[i35.tinypic.com image 500x732]


It's funny because it's true.
 
2013-08-25 06:24:33 PM

craigdamage: JETHRO TULL is a highly innovative and original rock band.

They were pioneers back in the 60s. Their musicality rivals the likes of ZAPPA and KING CRIMSON.

Iommi from BLACK SABBATH claims he learned his "professional ethics" from Ian Anderson.

Alex Lifeson of RUSH cites Martin Barre from TULL as a "major influence" on his playing.

Metallica is a derivative metal band that recycles clichés from the 70s.


period.


This entirely. Just about everything from Tull's first 10-15 years were magnificent.

Saw gnr and ratallica together. Gnr was awesome.
 
2013-08-25 06:26:13 PM

Evilsmurf: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: I actually like the Load album quite a bit, although I will agree it really isn't "Metallica" like their 80s material, its still way better than their new stuff.  I think I listened to both St Anger and Death Magnetic exactly once each and both were totally forgettable.  Load definitely was bizarre at first, like a "how the f*ck is this Metallica?" feeling,  but its a solid (perhaps more mature?) album and I grew to appreciate it more after repeated play and as I got older.I think if you condense the best of Load and ReLoad into one album you get a brilliant album.I disagree on your opinion of Death Magnetic though. I think it's the album they should have released after Justice.One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.


I might have to give Death Magnetic another listen, as I still have it.  I had a lot of personal stuff going on around the time it came out so maybe I just didn't give it a fair chance at the time; although it could also just be that my musical tastes have changed too much since high school and I won't get into it at all.
 
2013-08-25 06:37:53 PM
I saw that tour. It was awesome. It too for me is the last good Metallica album. However, that is partly because I burned out or metal and outgrew my teen anger.

Plus, hearing newstead do nothing but sit on root notes with a pick didn't help. After cliff, how could they go with such an undynamic bass player.

I think Trujillo has brought back some passion an musical spark. St anger is for lining bird cages though.
 
2013-08-25 06:41:48 PM

NuttierThanEver: Damn shame Metallica stopped recording after this album.

/no they have not released any music since then, lalalalalalala I'm not listening to you


Listened to the crap outta this when it came out. I went through at least 2 cassettes.

It's a shame they were never heard from again after the And Justice tour.
 
2013-08-25 06:49:00 PM

Snotnose: AkaDad: "One" is the best song on "...And Justice For All."

One is one of the best rock songs ever.

/ would love to see Hetfield sing the "Bargains, Imprisoning me" version sometime


If you put a gun to my head and forced me to pick my favorite rock song, I'd probably pick "One."
 
2013-08-25 07:01:35 PM

YoOjo: Evilsmurf: One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.

Hmm...

Black Sabbath.

Not only the greatest three album streak (arguably with Paranoid, Masters of Reality and Volume 4) but in my opinion the greatest six album streak ever.

I tried looking for a three album streak from Frank Zappa but every time there's one album that messes it up, the closest I got to a perfect streak is with Joe's Garage/Tinseltown Rebellion/Shut Up.
I'll try it with other bands but Sabbath and Zappa jumped out as obvious contenders, surprised that the older me has FZ that rate less highly now but I guess that's how it goes.


Piece of Mind
Powerslave
Somewhere In Time
 
2013-08-25 07:10:22 PM

Evilsmurf: One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.


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2013-08-25 07:22:15 PM

henryhill: If only those young rockers that made that album could have known what assholes they would become 25 years later.


I'm pretty sure they were assholes when they were young, too. They were just assholes in the same way we were assholes, so we thought they were cool.

/I have no problem with their response to Napster. Even rich people deserve to get paid for their commercial products.
 
2013-08-25 07:24:49 PM

Pentaxian: Evilsmurf: One more thing, Lightning, Puppets, and Justice is the greatest 3 album streak in the history of music.

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Oh, if we're doing albums that don't have real music on them then...
Rembrandt
Locust
Hairway.
Probably the best three album streak of unreal music.
 
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