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(Opposing Views)   Parents are outraged that their elementary school kids are learning about something that'll consume their lives in about two years   (opposingviews.com) divider line 25
    More: Stupid, elementary school kids, Wisconsin, elementary schools, suicides  
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2013-08-25 03:01:14 PM
3 votes:

huchipapa: I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.


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18? You thought it wasn't going to come up until she's 18?
2013-08-25 01:46:27 PM
3 votes:

spman: serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.

In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.


It is not unusual, and certainly not abnormal, for children to masturbate in kindergarten or early elementary school.
2013-08-25 01:44:09 PM
3 votes:
Sad I didn't get any instruction in school about how employers will screw you over at every instance they can. That's more important life lessons to me.
2013-08-25 03:31:48 PM
2 votes:

Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.


It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.
2013-08-25 02:09:42 PM
2 votes:

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.


You'll get over it.
2013-08-25 01:49:56 PM
2 votes:

jjorsett: Aaaaand of course the article itself says nothing about parental outrage, it's part of the dialog subby is hosting in his/her head. Welcome to Fark, it's not news it's making shiat up.


The point of the programs t teach this stuff is more sinister than just teaching masturbation. We all start at about the same point mentally in our inhibitions....we dont like to talk or think about things because we're raised by our parents and other adults and the generational divide makes us uncomfortable discussing sex and death with our parents. But in order to get us to a point where we are ok with many political advocacy positions, our inhibitions need to be broken down as quickly as possible.Hence the push to introduce many adult, moral, and ethical advocacy positions into elementary school.....well before children are prepared on their own to seek out that information.

The example would be... It took me many years to be comfortable around homosexuals....not because I was phobic, but because as a teenager I had to deal with my own shyness around sexual issues. I had to become comfortable around my own sexuality then around girls, then around couples then around gay men. Its a learning process and it can be applied to all political issues. But it is important to one group of advocates that people like me be prepared to march for gay rights directly out of high school. So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally. 

To paraphrase someone else's comment that I cannot find now..... a man teaching an 8 year old girl how to have sex and masturbate would go to jail....but a teacher doing the same thing in the name of destroying that childs inhibitions with respect to gay sex is considered a social advocate and an open minded person.

Just let the kids mature normally, they will form comfort levels with various uncomfortable issues in due time.
2013-08-25 01:37:47 PM
2 votes:
I learnt to jek off fine on my own.
2013-08-25 01:37:41 PM
2 votes:
The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation."

Ew.
2013-08-25 09:00:15 PM
1 votes:

Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.


As a society, we don't want you to have that much control over other people's lives. Nor do we believe you have the necessary perspective to make the best decision in all cases, even if we assume you are well-intentioned and well-education (which is not a trivial assumption in many cases).

During your child's early life you spent a number of years learning that your child was a helpless being that would die the moment you took your eyes off of them, that your child was incapable of making any rational decision, and that your child is not really a separate human being. Given that training most parents have trouble treating their children as independent humans, seeing that their children live large parts of their lives and make many decisions without help from their parents, or understanding that they are not an effective filter between their children and the world around them. Most parents struggle with that from the time their children start becoming independent until a good decade so later. Even if you personally can make the right choices, it's a safe bet that other parents will not, and both your children (who are members of my society) and society as a whole deserve some intervention from a more neutral party from time to time, to ensure that all children have the information we believe they need.
2013-08-25 07:15:02 PM
1 votes:
Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

That's a bit idealistic, don't you think? Your kids probably need "that talk" about 5 years (or more) before you think they'll need that talk. Little brains absorb a ton of data as they interact with the world, other kids and the internet -- and you can't control every input. First rule of being a kid: never tell you parents everything you know.
2013-08-25 04:34:52 PM
1 votes:
You can never be too prepared for masturbation. Should be teaching it in the womb, before the little shiats turn into humans.
2013-08-25 03:59:21 PM
1 votes:
IMHO it's not that difficult. I have 3 sons. My oldest boy is 22. We had the "talk" when he was 10. He was getting curious and we worked on old cars together. We used that time as "guy time". It was his chance to ask questions about anything going on in his mind. No judgement on him, just a chance to get the answers to things he wanted to know. We have a great relationship and he has been sexually responsible so far. With my 12 year old, it's the same thing but working on motorcycles.  The 2 year old hasn't shown any signs of questioning his body yet.

The key is giving them a forum for asking questions and answering as honestly as you can. If the child feels like they are going to get into trouble, they won't open up. If you give them an opportunity, you'll find out more about what goes on in their minds, their peer group and other aspects of their life than if you try to hold them back.

Hell, Mrs. Delrio lost her mind (to me) when she found out he was trying to find "boobies" on youtube. (She checked his search history). I had a talk with her about the fact that he is growing up and to let me handle it.

Next wrenching session, I eased the conversation around to the internet and youtube etc and had a good discussion about his curiosity about women's bodies and what exactly he wanted to know.

So far he is well rounded and we have dispelled a lot of the curiosity with facts.

/tl;dr version: Talk to your kids. give them a chance to open up to you without you going all "Wharrglbargl" on them.
2013-08-25 03:41:32 PM
1 votes:

lack of warmth: The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.


Too bad those smaller kids didn't know what was up, maybe they could have told someone and caught him sooner.
2013-08-25 03:40:05 PM
1 votes:

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.


A word of advice: Get over your issues, or she will stop talking to you about sex.
2013-08-25 03:38:57 PM
1 votes:

Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.


A few months after they turn 30?
2013-08-25 03:36:16 PM
1 votes:

thamike: Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.

It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.


Anthracite is correct. My gradeschool daughter is not going to pose a public health situation. Smart parents, not lazy f'd up parents. If you want to f up your own kid at an early age, be my guest, but that is a parental obligation and not the school's.
2013-08-25 03:35:38 PM
1 votes:

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....


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2013-08-25 03:30:01 PM
1 votes:
So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.
2013-08-25 03:05:05 PM
1 votes:

wumpus: ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.

Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.


Slot B.
2013-08-25 03:04:48 PM
1 votes:

archichris: So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally.


My 3 and 5 year old daughters are very comfortable with the fact that a family we're close to has two mothers, a son and a daughter. They go play over there all the time and they come over here. They know that what makes a family is love. If you had hangups as a kid, fine. But don't project or assume those on anybody but yourself.
2013-08-25 01:53:55 PM
1 votes:
I masturbate at a 4th grade level.
2013-08-25 01:40:32 PM
1 votes:
Teaching third grade students about masturbation, suicide and other sensitive topics

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2013-08-25 01:40:02 PM
1 votes:
nope. third grade is way too young for this "curriculum".

/also DARE (aka Drugs Are Really Excellent)
2013-08-25 01:36:07 PM
1 votes:
We should really stick to this system we got goin, where we treat kids like little fragile angels who cant stand hearing about societal issues or learning about the good bad and the ugly about our country and culture. As far as I can tell, thats been working out great so far.
2013-08-25 01:33:58 PM
1 votes:
In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.
 
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