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2013-08-25 12:23:27 PM
They spelled California wrong.
 
2013-08-25 01:08:23 PM
Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with. Masturbation or anything relating to sex? Yeah, these are not issues that are of relevence to eight year olds (or at least SHOULDN'T be). What purpose does it serve to teach it to them? I remember in fifth grade both HIV education and Drug awareness were part of the curriculum. This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever. And if the day ever came that we were confronted with those issues, we sure as hell weren't going to have flashbacks to fifth grade when it came time to decide whether or wear that condom or use that needle.
 
2013-08-25 01:30:48 PM

spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with


What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.
 
2013-08-25 01:31:02 PM
Consume as in fill up, or use up?
 
2013-08-25 01:31:50 PM
Buttsex?
 
2013-08-25 01:31:57 PM

spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with. Masturbation or anything relating to sex? Yeah, these are not issues that are of relevence to eight year olds (or at least SHOULDN'T be). What purpose does it serve to teach it to them? I remember in fifth grade both HIV education and Drug awareness were part of the curriculum. This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever. And if the day ever came that we were confronted with those issues, we sure as hell weren't going to have flashbacks to fifth grade when it came time to decide whether or wear that condom or use that needle.


you're trying too hard
 
2013-08-25 01:32:29 PM
Maturbation, eh? That's a hard one to talk about...
 
2013-08-25 01:33:07 PM
I'd let the teacher in that stock pic teach me a few thing, if you know what I'm saying...

/biology
//totes doin' it right.
 
2013-08-25 01:33:21 PM
Bewbies?
 
2013-08-25 01:33:57 PM
Fark.com?
 
2013-08-25 01:33:58 PM
In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.
 
2013-08-25 01:36:07 PM
We should really stick to this system we got goin, where we treat kids like little fragile angels who cant stand hearing about societal issues or learning about the good bad and the ugly about our country and culture. As far as I can tell, thats been working out great so far.
 
2013-08-25 01:36:31 PM
So basically the school district made a handbook so that teachers would know how to respond age appropriately when kids ask questions about "adult" topics.

Cue the outrage.
 
2013-08-25 01:37:41 PM
The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation."

Ew.
 
2013-08-25 01:37:47 PM
I learnt to jek off fine on my own.
 
2013-08-25 01:38:39 PM
Aaaaand of course the article itself says nothing about parental outrage, it's part of the dialog subby is hosting in his/her head. Welcome to Fark, it's not news it's making shiat up.
 
2013-08-25 01:39:18 PM
So they're gonna teach third grade girls masturbation?  Isn't that a felony?
 
2013-08-25 01:40:02 PM
nope. third grade is way too young for this "curriculum".

/also DARE (aka Drugs Are Really Excellent)
 
2013-08-25 01:40:29 PM

serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.


In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.
 
2013-08-25 01:40:32 PM
Teaching third grade students about masturbation, suicide and other sensitive topics

i105.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 01:44:09 PM
Sad I didn't get any instruction in school about how employers will screw you over at every instance they can. That's more important life lessons to me.
 
2013-08-25 01:45:40 PM
At least they wait until middle school to teach them about flogging, rimming and edging.
 
2013-08-25 01:46:27 PM

spman: serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.

In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.


It is not unusual, and certainly not abnormal, for children to masturbate in kindergarten or early elementary school.
 
2013-08-25 01:48:48 PM
How else will predatory teachers be able to pick out the vulnerable so that they can rape the kids?
 
2013-08-25 01:49:01 PM
If you masturbate, while cutting oxygen to yourself, you get an amazing high at climax, kids.
 
2013-08-25 01:49:56 PM

jjorsett: Aaaaand of course the article itself says nothing about parental outrage, it's part of the dialog subby is hosting in his/her head. Welcome to Fark, it's not news it's making shiat up.


The point of the programs t teach this stuff is more sinister than just teaching masturbation. We all start at about the same point mentally in our inhibitions....we dont like to talk or think about things because we're raised by our parents and other adults and the generational divide makes us uncomfortable discussing sex and death with our parents. But in order to get us to a point where we are ok with many political advocacy positions, our inhibitions need to be broken down as quickly as possible.Hence the push to introduce many adult, moral, and ethical advocacy positions into elementary school.....well before children are prepared on their own to seek out that information.

The example would be... It took me many years to be comfortable around homosexuals....not because I was phobic, but because as a teenager I had to deal with my own shyness around sexual issues. I had to become comfortable around my own sexuality then around girls, then around couples then around gay men. Its a learning process and it can be applied to all political issues. But it is important to one group of advocates that people like me be prepared to march for gay rights directly out of high school. So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally. 

To paraphrase someone else's comment that I cannot find now..... a man teaching an 8 year old girl how to have sex and masturbate would go to jail....but a teacher doing the same thing in the name of destroying that childs inhibitions with respect to gay sex is considered a social advocate and an open minded person.

Just let the kids mature normally, they will form comfort levels with various uncomfortable issues in due time.
 
2013-08-25 01:52:09 PM

Talondel: spman: serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.

In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.

It is not unusual, and certainly not abnormal, for children to masturbate in kindergarten or early elementary school.


Yet when I masturbate in the elementary school, I get arrested and thrown in jail.  Nice double standard.
 
2013-08-25 01:52:25 PM

Talondel: spman: serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.

In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.

It is not unusual, and certainly not abnormal, for children to masturbate in kindergarten or early elementary school.


Yes, but at that age it doesn't require any further discussion beyond "Stop that, it's inapropriate to do those things in public".
 
2013-08-25 01:53:55 PM
I masturbate at a 4th grade level.
 
2013-08-25 01:54:29 PM
 
2013-08-25 01:54:33 PM
Is maturbation a specialized technique?
 
2013-08-25 01:57:34 PM

Nuclear Monk: Is maturbation a specialized technique?


That portion is covered in the high school AP class on it.
 
2013-08-25 01:58:37 PM
As soon as I saw the phrase "... according to Fox News" I knew something was being exaggerated and something else distorted for the right-wing masturbatory benefit of the Fox News audience.

Next!
 
2013-08-25 02:02:41 PM
Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.
 
2013-08-25 02:03:38 PM
I'm sure all of these degenerate sex ed teachers get off on thinking about children thinking about masturbation.
 
2013-08-25 02:06:01 PM

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.
I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.


So your daughter is giving boys BJs already?!!

/also not looking forward to my daughter becoming a teenager, but I have years to go before I need to buy a shotgun
 
2013-08-25 02:09:42 PM

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.


You'll get over it.
 
2013-08-25 02:09:42 PM
Maturbation - noun
              1.  to make a conscious attempt to not mature
              2.  to simulate a spoiled rotten little brat

ie.  He has turned maturbation into an art form.
 
2013-08-25 02:10:27 PM

Satanus Maximus: Maturbation, eh? That's a hard one to talk about...


Maturbation - be the MATUR of your own domain.
farm1.static.flickr.com
/hot like 'mater baters
 
2013-08-25 02:10:37 PM
Here in Georgia, Uncle Steve teaches us about masterbation.
 
2013-08-25 02:14:04 PM
Ponies?

srsly, lil gurlz luv ponies
 
2013-08-25 02:15:27 PM

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].


It's called a "penis. "
 
2013-08-25 02:17:07 PM
Now remember Billy, don't death grip it, no vajayjay is tighter than a death grip, and you'll never get off. 
This goes to you too ladies.
/also gives a whole new meaning to 'show your work'
 
2013-08-25 02:17:52 PM

legion_of_doo: huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.
I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

So your daughter is giving boys BJs already?!!

/also not looking forward to my daughter becoming a teenager, but I have years to go before I need to buy a shotgun


Just resign yourself to the fact that your children will have sex.

Probably with someone that you don't like.

And this is normal.
 
2013-08-25 02:23:14 PM
Well, some sex ed is certainly relevant at that age (girls can start menstruation at a young age). As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...what's the problem? Masturbation, lots of kids younger than school age do that. Just tell them it's normal, and do that alone and move on to the next topic. What a bunch of prudes!
 
2013-08-25 02:28:54 PM

rkiller1: So they're gonna teach third grade girls masturbation?  Isn't that a felony?


Apparently the State is invoking the right of Prima Nocta.
 
2013-08-25 02:29:20 PM

haolegirl: the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher


Is this still cool if the teachers are homosexuals?

Just curious.
 
2013-08-25 02:36:12 PM

haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...


I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?
 
2013-08-25 02:36:35 PM
So they're gonna teach third grade girls masturbation?  Isn't that a felony?

Fano: Apparently the State is invoking the right of Prima Nocta.


Heh. Good one.

/the problem with elementary schools is that they're full of children...
 
2013-08-25 02:40:53 PM

special20: haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...

I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?


In this country? There's not enough tax dollars in the world to support all those single mothers.
 
2013-08-25 02:41:35 PM

ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.


Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.
 
2013-08-25 02:43:27 PM
i1214.photobucket.com
Approves.
 
2013-08-25 02:45:25 PM
In addition to discussions about masturbation, third graders may also be taught about suicide.

www.brooklynvegan.com
Frankie, Frankie....
 
2013-08-25 02:49:24 PM

archichris: jjorsett: Aaaaand of course the article itself says nothing about parental outrage, it's part of the dialog subby is hosting in his/her head. Welcome to Fark, it's not news it's making shiat up.

The point of the programs t teach this stuff is more sinister than just teaching masturbation. We all start at about the same point mentally in our inhibitions....we dont like to talk or think about things because we're raised by our parents and other adults and the generational divide makes us uncomfortable discussing sex and death with our parents. But in order to get us to a point where we are ok with many political advocacy positions, our inhibitions need to be broken down as quickly as possible.Hence the push to introduce many adult, moral, and ethical advocacy positions into elementary school.....well before children are prepared on their own to seek out that information.

The example would be... It took me many years to be comfortable around homosexuals....not because I was phobic, but because as a teenager I had to deal with my own shyness around sexual issues. I had to become comfortable around my own sexuality then around girls, then around couples then around gay men. Its a learning process and it can be applied to all political issues. But it is important to one group of advocates that people like me be prepared to march for gay rights directly out of high school. So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally. 

To paraphrase someone else's comment that I cannot find now..... a man teaching an 8 year old girl how to have sex and masturbate would go to jail....but a teacher doing the same thing in the name of destroying that childs inhibitions with respect to gay sex is considered a social advocate and an open minded person.

Just let the kids mature normally, they will form comfort levels with various uncomfortable issues in due time.



You're really weird, dude.
 
2013-08-25 02:51:25 PM

sendtodave: haolegirl: the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher

Is this still cool if the teachers are homosexuals?

Just curious.


I say yes, simply because they are discussing biological function and IDC how gay a guy is, or how butch a lady is, nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.
 
2013-08-25 02:55:56 PM

special20: haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...

I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?


Probably because boys and girls have enough to learn concerning their own bodily functions at that age. I was perfectly ok with my daughters learning about their Aunt Flo at a young age...maybe not so much about nocturnal emissions. Since every family has a different opinion about what they want their kids to know, cover the basics and then tell the kids to follow up at home.
 
2013-08-25 02:56:22 PM

kortex: Buttsex?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-25 02:58:43 PM
As a parent myself I do have to agree 3rd grade is a little young for that. 5th grade is when they start needing to know this stuff.
 
2013-08-25 03:01:14 PM

huchipapa: I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.


i.imgur.com

18? You thought it wasn't going to come up until she's 18?
 
2013-08-25 03:01:39 PM

spman: This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever


Yes, because if the 21st century has taught us anything, it's that HIV and drugs don't affect suburban white kid. Now excuse me as I watch all the flyover country meth-heads sucking cock for rock.
 
2013-08-25 03:02:48 PM

haolegirl: , nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...


behance.vo.llnwd.net
 
2013-08-25 03:03:58 PM
Article is vague and scare-mongering, and completely light on the specifics of what is taught to who and when. In other words, business as usual on the internet.
 
2013-08-25 03:04:48 PM

archichris: So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally.


My 3 and 5 year old daughters are very comfortable with the fact that a family we're close to has two mothers, a son and a daughter. They go play over there all the time and they come over here. They know that what makes a family is love. If you had hangups as a kid, fine. But don't project or assume those on anybody but yourself.
 
2013-08-25 03:05:05 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with the policy, but I do wonder how out-of-sync you have to be with your own body for any kind of spankulation instruction to be helpful.

/Never too late to be immature csb: every time my wife asks me to macerate fruit (ie. coat them with sugar/wine/etc prior to dessert-making), I love to make her eye-roll by substituting "masturbate" in subsequent follow-up.  "Which fruit did you want me to masturbate?  How long does it have to stay in the fridge to be fully masturbated?" etc.
 
2013-08-25 03:05:05 PM

wumpus: ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.

Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.


Slot B.
 
2013-08-25 03:06:05 PM

haolegirl: nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.


Both women and men know what kidneystones feel like and those are a helluva lot worse.
 
2013-08-25 03:10:24 PM
God and all your dead friends and relatives are watching you masturbate.
 
2013-08-25 03:11:04 PM

Somacandra: haolegirl: nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.

Both women and men know what kidneystones feel like and those are a helluva lot worse.


Didn't say whether they were painful or not...just that only a woman can know what a woman can know...ya know?
 
2013-08-25 03:13:18 PM
IDK, I sure coulda used some pointers on the best way to truss up my testicles so I could hang from the the dowel in the closet when I was eight or nine. CBT pointers need to be in the curricula. I had to learn it all on my own.
 
2013-08-25 03:14:48 PM

Matthew Keene: haolegirl: , nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...


...ummm...??
 
2013-08-25 03:15:12 PM

StoPPeRmobile: God and all your dead friends and relatives are watching you masturbate.


Hope they enjoy the show, but it's mostly reruns.
 
2013-08-25 03:16:15 PM
The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation." Despite this, some parents are unhappy about the new curriculum.

Despite that?  I'd say that would rank pretty high on the list of things they are unhappy with.

When my boys are old enough to get caught, I'll tell them to turn the volume down and lock the damn door.
 
2013-08-25 03:22:15 PM

ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.


Um, that one is pretty self explanatory.
 
2013-08-25 03:24:37 PM
Heh..... My oldest boy figured out what it was for about a year ago. He is in the 30 minute shower phase. His mom just clicked on it last month. She asked me "Why do you think he is taking such long showers?". I just looked at her and you could see the light bulb go on......
 
2013-08-25 03:25:27 PM

Satanus Maximus: Maturbation, eh? That's a hard one to talk about...


images.wikia.com

See, kids, when a tow truck hooks himself...
 
2013-08-25 03:26:27 PM

kendelrio: Heh..... My oldest boy figured out what it was for about a year ago. He is in the 30 minute shower phase. His mom just clicked on it last month. She asked me "Why do you think he is taking such long showers?". I just looked at her and you could see the light bulb go on......


Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...
 
2013-08-25 03:28:16 PM
One objective for sixth graders is reportedly to "define sexual intercourse, including oral and anal intercourse," according to Fox News.


i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 03:30:01 PM
So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.
 
2013-08-25 03:31:48 PM

Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.


It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.
 
2013-08-25 03:32:19 PM
Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....
 
2013-08-25 03:35:38 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....


t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-25 03:35:39 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....


Typing with one hand?

NTTAWWT
 
2013-08-25 03:36:16 PM

thamike: Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.

It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.


Anthracite is correct. My gradeschool daughter is not going to pose a public health situation. Smart parents, not lazy f'd up parents. If you want to f up your own kid at an early age, be my guest, but that is a parental obligation and not the school's.
 
2013-08-25 03:37:24 PM

happydude45: thamike: Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.

It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.

Anthracite is correct. My gradeschool daughter is not going to pose a public health situation. Smart parents, not lazy f'd up parents. If you want to f up your own kid at an early age, be my guest, but that is a parental obligation and not the school's.


Okay.
 
2013-08-25 03:38:36 PM
The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.
 
2013-08-25 03:38:57 PM

Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.


A few months after they turn 30?
 
2013-08-25 03:39:13 PM

Not_The_Target_Market: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....

Typing with one hand?

NTTAWWT


Just drunk on a Testy siii
 
2013-08-25 03:40:05 PM

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.


A word of advice: Get over your issues, or she will stop talking to you about sex.
 
2013-08-25 03:40:37 PM

lack of warmth: The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.


What a fascinating anecdote.
 
2013-08-25 03:40:55 PM
haolegirl:Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...

Bingo. We were at a friend of ours house when her 12 year old son was showering. He had been in there about 20 minutes and she hopped up and said "I hope he's ok, I'm going to check on him". She came back red-faced with her jaw hanging and said "I ummm... He was... umm... He's ok". I almost pissed myself laughing.

It's amazing that some parents live in denial that their kid is growing up and figuring shiat out.
 
2013-08-25 03:41:28 PM
I started reading the article and thought I was reading the Onion.  The schools are already wasting too much time with social engineering.
 
2013-08-25 03:41:32 PM

lack of warmth: The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.


Too bad those smaller kids didn't know what was up, maybe they could have told someone and caught him sooner.
 
2013-08-25 03:43:01 PM

BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?


Hopefully they get correct information.
 
2013-08-25 03:43:41 PM

haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.


Cosmopolitan.
 
2013-08-25 03:47:18 PM

kendelrio: haolegirl:Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...

Bingo. We were at a friend of ours house when her 12 year old son was showering. He had been in there about 20 minutes and she hopped up and said "I hope he's ok, I'm going to check on him". She came back red-faced with her jaw hanging and said "I ummm... He was... umm... He's ok". I almost pissed myself laughing.

It's amazing that some parents live in denial that their kid is growing up and figuring shiat out.


Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.
 
2013-08-25 03:49:26 PM

thamike: haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.

Cosmopolitan.


Omg, their gonna tie em up with toilet paper :-o
 
2013-08-25 03:59:21 PM
IMHO it's not that difficult. I have 3 sons. My oldest boy is 22. We had the "talk" when he was 10. He was getting curious and we worked on old cars together. We used that time as "guy time". It was his chance to ask questions about anything going on in his mind. No judgement on him, just a chance to get the answers to things he wanted to know. We have a great relationship and he has been sexually responsible so far. With my 12 year old, it's the same thing but working on motorcycles.  The 2 year old hasn't shown any signs of questioning his body yet.

The key is giving them a forum for asking questions and answering as honestly as you can. If the child feels like they are going to get into trouble, they won't open up. If you give them an opportunity, you'll find out more about what goes on in their minds, their peer group and other aspects of their life than if you try to hold them back.

Hell, Mrs. Delrio lost her mind (to me) when she found out he was trying to find "boobies" on youtube. (She checked his search history). I had a talk with her about the fact that he is growing up and to let me handle it.

Next wrenching session, I eased the conversation around to the internet and youtube etc and had a good discussion about his curiosity about women's bodies and what exactly he wanted to know.

So far he is well rounded and we have dispelled a lot of the curiosity with facts.

/tl;dr version: Talk to your kids. give them a chance to open up to you without you going all "Wharrglbargl" on them.
 
2013-08-25 04:03:44 PM
haolegirl:Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.

Absolutely. I remember the conversation "When I rub on it it feels good. What does that mean?"

/goal oriented. heh
//the goal never changes, only gets easier to reach with practice!
///tmi?
 
2013-08-25 04:10:23 PM

Tillmaster: wumpus: ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.

Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.

Slot B.


Depends on the terminology. But some prefer slot V, you know.
 
2013-08-25 04:16:07 PM

kendelrio: haolegirl:Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.

Absolutely. I remember the conversation "When I rub on it it feels good. What does that mean?"

/goal oriented. heh
//the goal never changes, only gets easier to reach with practice!
///tmi?


Only if this were grade school apparently
 
2013-08-25 04:19:28 PM
Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.
 
2013-08-25 04:19:49 PM
Sounds like Madison or Milwaukee.

RTFA

Yep.
 
2013-08-25 04:22:13 PM
When my kid is ready for these topics, she can learn about them the same way her parents did.

We already have Degrassi queued in our Watchlist.
 
2013-08-25 04:23:56 PM
I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.
 
2013-08-25 04:26:41 PM

Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.


The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!
 
2013-08-25 04:34:52 PM
You can never be too prepared for masturbation. Should be teaching it in the womb, before the little shiats turn into humans.
 
2013-08-25 04:36:46 PM

haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!


Carrie was in high school. Jr high is old enough.
 
2013-08-25 04:40:06 PM

Anthracite: haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!

Carrie was in high school. Jr high is old enough.


Lol, true. Not all girls are Carrie tho, I used her as a perfect example of what can happen when you leave basic biology up to parents. Not all parents are able to have a rational discussion about human biology with their kids.
 
2013-08-25 04:41:15 PM

spman: In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.


What, do kids around you not watch TV?

The kids need to understand the context of what's happening on the ads and shows they're bombarded with, so they can understand what parts of it are healthy and what are not, rather than just assembling a latent "model to emulate" without any real understanding.

There's nothing wrong, and much very right, about age-appropriate context for adult actions.
 
2013-08-25 04:41:21 PM

haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!


Not too many menstruating 5th graders or below.
 
2013-08-25 04:43:18 PM

Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.




I cranked way ahead of the rest of my peers because of silent reading and self-paced learning. Always wondered why some people sucked at reading comprehension. Now I know.

shiat ,SRAs were the sheet.

/knows nothing
 
2013-08-25 04:46:35 PM

StoPPeRmobile: God and all your dead friends and relatives are watching you masturbate.


Not to mention that farking cat.
 
2013-08-25 04:51:18 PM

happydude45: haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!

Not too many menstruating 5th graders or below.


Speaking for yourself? I only ask because several of my friends were. Because of sex ed early on, even tho I wasn't menstruating, I had supplies on hand for when they were over and unprepared (no mom in my house, parents were divorced).
 
2013-08-25 04:58:21 PM
Sounds like the kids will be way ahead of the Chinese
 
2013-08-25 05:17:44 PM

archichris: Just let the kids mature normally, they will form comfort levels with various uncomfortable issues in due time.


This cannot be overstated. Learning about drugs and sex by being around it at a very young age and having conditioned anxiety taught by parents with absurdly guilty consciences that never want to discuss the issues will SEVERELY screw you up. My crazy mom did every thing wrong to the point where stigmatizing, shaming, and instilling fear in me about sex couldn't have been more damaging. She couldn't have done a better job if she tried to raise me gay. Now I'm off in limbo being attracted to women but so much anxiety and stress has left me with no concept of emotional bonding, let alone any pleasure to sex.

Porn kept me sane, and pot is slowly helping me recover from all that.

And for God's sake be involved in your childs emotional life. Social isolation and depression killed everything good about me at the tender age of 11 because my mother was too foolish to let me be a kid and have friends. Then in college I drove away everyone parroting her asinine religious beliefs until I finally had a nervous breakdown.
 
2013-08-25 05:22:05 PM

Thurston Howell: /Never too late to be immature csb: every time my wife asks me to macerate fruit (ie. coat them with sugar/wine/etc prior to dessert-making), I love to make her eye-roll by substituting "masturbate" in subsequent follow-up.  "Which fruit did you want me to masturbate?  How long does it have to stay in the fridge to be fully masturbated?" etc.


I'm glad I'm not the only person who's immature enough to do that. Well, mostly I go eat some and tell her I thought she wanted me to masticate it after I made the masturbate joke in front of my mother-in-law out of habit.
 
2013-08-25 05:34:38 PM

Chinchillazilla: The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation."

Ew.


Has there ever been a kid who was convinced by his parents that masturbation was evil and therefore didn't do it?  My own social circle in school was composed entirely of kids who did it and enjoyed it, and kids who did it and felt guilty about it.  Of course I'm relying on self-report here...
 
2013-08-25 05:50:23 PM

haolegirl: happydude45: haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!

Not too many menstruating 5th graders or below.

Speaking for yourself? I only ask because several of my friends were. Because of sex ed early on, even tho I wasn't menstruating, I had supplies on hand for when they were over and unprepared (no mom in my house, parents were divorced).


Yep, 3 daughters. Living in the same house as mom, they all know what's going on and what to expect. Part of being a household.
 
2013-08-25 06:12:53 PM

happydude45: haolegirl: happydude45: haolegirl: Emo Jeezus: I'm not into sheltering precious little snowflakes, but 3rd grade seems a bit early.
Junior high's soon enough.

The problem with that is quite a few girls have already had a visit from Auntie Flo before then. Hasn't anyone here seen Carrie? How scary for a girl to go to the bathroom and be all bloody and have no idea why!

Not too many menstruating 5th graders or below.

Speaking for yourself? I only ask because several of my friends were. Because of sex ed early on, even tho I wasn't menstruating, I had supplies on hand for when they were over and unprepared (no mom in my house, parents were divorced).

Yep, 3 daughters. Living in the same house as mom, they all know what's going on and what to expect. Part of being a household.


As long as mom is in the household that's awesome. Not all households are like that tho. I got told all kinds of crazy shiat growing up from well meaning but misinformed relatives. I think that's the point of school in the first place, making sure our kids get the most accurate information there is (in an ideal world anyway).
 
2013-08-25 06:26:21 PM

Koodz: Chinchillazilla: The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation."

Ew.

Has there ever been a kid who was convinced by his parents that masturbation was evil and therefore didn't do it?  My own social circle in school was composed entirely of kids who did it and enjoyed it, and kids who did it and felt guilty about it.  Of course I'm relying on self-report here...


Mormons, perhaps. Their line of thinking on sec and other subjects seems more of a throwback to 19th century attitudes than most other groups in the USA. Who else can claim to have had a kid commit suicide because of the guilt? http://www.affirmation.org/suicide_in fo/sin_and_death_in_mormon_count r y.shtml

I never heard of the guilt thing until I went to a Catholic highschool, and even then it was just from other boys who had merely heard of the issue and didn't understand it themselves. Lucky for us, schools no longer teach 19th century sexual mores. They did some pretty farked up things back then to discourage masturbation, in addition to merely teaching that it was sinful.
 
2013-08-25 06:27:53 PM
*thinking on sex

/farking autocorrect
 
2013-08-25 07:15:02 PM
Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

That's a bit idealistic, don't you think? Your kids probably need "that talk" about 5 years (or more) before you think they'll need that talk. Little brains absorb a ton of data as they interact with the world, other kids and the internet -- and you can't control every input. First rule of being a kid: never tell you parents everything you know.
 
2013-08-25 07:16:55 PM

spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with. Masturbation or anything relating to sex? Yeah, these are not issues that are of relevence to eight year olds (or at least SHOULDN'T be). What purpose does it serve to teach it to them? I remember in fifth grade both HIV education and Drug awareness were part of the curriculum. This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever. And if the day ever came that we were confronted with those issues, we sure as hell weren't going to have flashbacks to fifth grade when it came time to decide whether or wear that condom or use that needle.


Yeah. None of your classmates ever had to deal with these issues.

Uh huh.

Don't stop believing. Hold on to that feeling... of being a delusional and bigoted.
 
2013-08-25 07:27:57 PM

WordyGrrl: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

That's a bit idealistic, don't you think? Your kids probably need "that talk" about 5 years (or more) before you think they'll need that talk. Little brains absorb a ton of data as they interact with the world, other kids and the internet -- and you can't control every input. First rule of being a kid: never tell you parents everything you know.


Moreover, it's like some people totally forget what it was like to be that age and what they had already seen/heard.
 
2013-08-25 07:28:19 PM
ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse

it's when a mommy and daddy love each other very much and are overly neat and organized

/unless, of course, someone else already said this, in that case nevermind
 
2013-08-25 07:31:10 PM

Not_The_Target_Market: Frankie


SHUT THE FARK UP!  THIS IS ABOUT FRANKIE!
 
2013-08-25 07:35:40 PM

Dreamless: WordyGrrl: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

That's a bit idealistic, don't you think? Your kids probably need "that talk" about 5 years (or more) before you think they'll need that talk. Little brains absorb a ton of data as they interact with the world, other kids and the internet -- and you can't control every input. First rule of being a kid: never tell you parents everything you know.

Moreover, it's like some people totally forget what it was like to be that age and what they had already seen/heard.


Oh yeah. Your toddler knows a lot more cuss words than you think he/she does -- and knows not to say them around you.
 
2013-08-25 08:26:25 PM

haolegirl: thamike: haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.

Cosmopolitan.

Omg, their gonna tie em up with toilet paper :-o


Cayenne pepper in the drawers, too.
 
2013-08-25 08:33:07 PM

thamike: haolegirl: thamike: haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.

Cosmopolitan.

Omg, their gonna tie em up with toilet paper :-o

Cayenne pepper in the drawers, too.


That's hot!
 
2013-08-25 09:00:15 PM

Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.


As a society, we don't want you to have that much control over other people's lives. Nor do we believe you have the necessary perspective to make the best decision in all cases, even if we assume you are well-intentioned and well-education (which is not a trivial assumption in many cases).

During your child's early life you spent a number of years learning that your child was a helpless being that would die the moment you took your eyes off of them, that your child was incapable of making any rational decision, and that your child is not really a separate human being. Given that training most parents have trouble treating their children as independent humans, seeing that their children live large parts of their lives and make many decisions without help from their parents, or understanding that they are not an effective filter between their children and the world around them. Most parents struggle with that from the time their children start becoming independent until a good decade so later. Even if you personally can make the right choices, it's a safe bet that other parents will not, and both your children (who are members of my society) and society as a whole deserve some intervention from a more neutral party from time to time, to ensure that all children have the information we believe they need.
 
2013-08-25 09:03:56 PM

Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.


It only takes about 100 hours -- total lifetime instruction -- to teach children most to read. Almost 100% of every school day is wasted on non-educational tasks; there is plenty of time available over the course of the decade+ that children are required to be in school. So arguments about "cutting time" from this or that are completely unfounded, because lack of time isn't a problem in the first place. It's lack of actual education that's the real problem. I don't think these topics will make any difference in that respect, but I'm quite confident they won't make our children worse at reading.
 
2013-08-25 09:17:55 PM

profplump: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

As a society, we don't want you to have that much control over other people's lives. Nor do we believe you have the necessary perspective to make the best decision in all cases, even if we assume you are well-intentioned and well-education (which is not a trivial assumption in many cases).

During your child's early life you spent a number of years learning that your child was a helpless being that would die the moment you took your eyes off of them, that your child was incapable of making any rational decision, and that your child is not really a separate human being. Given that training most parents have trouble treating their children as independent humans, seeing that their children live large parts of their lives and make many decisions without help from their parents, or understanding that they are not an effective filter between their children and the world around them. Most parents struggle with that from the time their children start becoming independent until a good decade so later. Even if you personally can make the right choices, it's a safe bet that other parents will not, and both your children (who are members of my society) and society as a whole deserve some intervention from a more neutral party from time to time, to ensure that all children have the information we believe they need.


You are the exact type of idiot who scares and infuriates me the most - a zealot who presumes to know what is best for other people. Fark you and your assumptions that the state knows what is best for other people's children. I pity any children you may spawn.
 
2013-08-25 09:25:20 PM

kortex: Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina.


Now with video goodness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31b_70kzfwQ
 
2013-08-25 10:05:09 PM
As long as they aren't teaching them cursive writing.
 
2013-08-25 10:45:19 PM
Sorry, didn't really read article or this thread. But yes, teach children these topics starting at 8 years old. Maybe y'all had a more charmed life than me, but all these things were relevant to 8 year old me, and I'm sure I'm not alone.
 
2013-08-25 11:08:08 PM

profplump: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

As a society, we don't want you to have that much control over other people's lives. Nor do we believe you have the necessary perspective to make the best decision in all cases, even if we assume you are well-intentioned and well-education (which is not a trivial assumption in many cases).

During your child's early life you spent a number of years learning that your child was a helpless being that would die the moment you took your eyes off of them, that your child was incapable of making any rational decision, and that your child is not really a separate human being. Given that training most parents have trouble treating their children as independent humans, seeing that their children live large parts of their lives and make many decisions without help from their parents, or understanding that they are not an effective filter between their children and the world around them. Most parents struggle with that from the time their children start becoming independent until a good decade so later. Even if you personally can make the right choices, it's a safe bet that other parents will not, and both your children (who are members of my society) and society as a whole deserve some intervention from a more neutral party from time to time, to ensure that all children have the information we believe they need.


This is what liberals actually believe
 
2013-08-26 12:29:58 AM

Talondel: spman: serial_crusher: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with

What kind of horrible childhood did you have?

I think for sex and drugs it's about getting the brainwashing in early.  You're impressionable enough at that age that a police officer coming to your school telling you drugs are bad makes a difference that lasts.

/ My school did DARE in 5th grade.  I knew of a couple kids experimenting with pot in 6th.

In the sense that even children deal with depression, and are aware of the concept of death and the permanence of it, I could see suicide being an issue children might deal with. On the other hand, unless you live in an abusive household with absent or neglectful parents, no normal kids under the age of maybe 12 is dealing with sex and drugs, and by the time they do, fifth grade is going to be nothing but a fleeting memory.

It is not unusual, and certainly not abnormal, for children to masturbate in kindergarten or early elementary school.


Not only that but the sex-ed curriculum described is for sixth graders. These are adolescents. Girls frequently begin menstruation at 11-12 years, some boys begin maturing at that age though not as many. We have had girls who gave birth in seventh grade (conceived in sixth). The new belief in junior highs is that oral and anal sex is somehow 1) not "doing it" and 2) much safer than "real sex. "

Don't know about y'all, but I want my kids to know how to handle themselves in sexual situations. Abstinence doesn't work for the majority of people. Masturbation is normal from infancy and should be treated as such. Kids who are capable of sexual activity (and have the lovely adolescent combo of poor impulse control and intense hornyness) should be taught the dangers of all manner unprotected sex and safer ways to go about it--emphasis on normal urges and best ways to manage. Quit being prudish. Humans are animals, we have sex drives, teach the kids that it is normal and not shameful and this is how we manage so that we don't get pregnant or infected with diseases. It is a really simple concept. I like what that school district is doing!!
 
2013-08-26 12:38:11 AM

haolegirl: Well, some sex ed is certainly relevant at that age (girls can start menstruation at a young age). As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...what's the problem? Masturbation, lots of kids younger than school age do that. Just tell them it's normal, and do that alone and move on to the next topic. What a bunch of prudes!


If it is normal and there is no need to be prudish, why don't we start by NOT dividing the kids according to their sex and NOT worrying about the sex of the instructor. Separating the kids like that only reinforces the idea that there are secrets about sex that have to be kept away from others, perpetuating the "naughtiness" factor and making the act seem more attractive to some and absolutely terrifying to others. We discuss all other aspects of biology in mixed classes--so if you really believe this is normal, natural, not shameful and something we shouldn't be so prudish about--it shod be taught in mixed classes.

Taught all our kids that way. Still have an open discussion policy with them, even though some of their conversations are very difficult. It is worth the discomfort to know we have given them all the tools they need to help them make smart decisions. Had to counteract the Bible Belt mentality as much as possible.....
 
2013-08-26 12:40:45 AM

haolegirl: special20: haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...

I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?

Probably because boys and girls have enough to learn concerning their own bodily functions at that age. I was perfectly ok with my daughters learning about their Aunt Flo at a young age...maybe not so much about nocturnal emissions. Since every family has a different opinion about what they want their kids to know, cover the basics and then tell the kids to follow up at home.


Aunt Flo? Seriously?

/maybe your comfort level isn't as high as you think it is....
 
2013-08-26 12:51:13 AM

WordyGrrl: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

That's a bit idealistic, don't you think? Your kids probably need "that talk" about 5 years (or more) before you think they'll need that talk. Little brains absorb a ton of data as they interact with the world, other kids and the internet -- and you can't control every input. First rule of being a kid: never tell you parents everything you know.


And the talk doesn't have to involve anatomical charts and enough detail to make a porn star blush. Example: 4 yr old daughter found a particular way to sit on her rocking horse that made it a LOT more fun; 3 y/o son had just figured out touching himself felt good and couldn't keep his hands out of his pants. The conversation in both cases was similar to this, "I know that feels really good and it is ok to do, but it is something you ought to do in your room where you can have privacy." Tahdah! They may end up on Dr. Phil for some other reason but sexual guilt and repression won't be one....
 
2013-08-26 12:54:09 AM

Hermione_Granger: spman: Teaching third graders about suicide? Fine, I could see that as being a potential issue they may have to deal with. Masturbation or anything relating to sex? Yeah, these are not issues that are of relevence to eight year olds (or at least SHOULDN'T be). What purpose does it serve to teach it to them? I remember in fifth grade both HIV education and Drug awareness were part of the curriculum. This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever. And if the day ever came that we were confronted with those issues, we sure as hell weren't going to have flashbacks to fifth grade when it came time to decide whether or wear that condom or use that needle.

Yeah. None of your classmates ever had to deal with these issues.

Uh huh.

Don't stop believing. Hold on to that feeling... of being a delusional and bigoted.


Money.
 
2013-08-26 12:58:06 AM
Third grade is stupidly early for masturbation and maybe suicide imo. Masturbation doesn't even enter their little worlds naturally til they're about 11 or 12. Derp.
 
2013-08-26 01:16:31 AM

Deedeemarz: haolegirl: special20: haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...

I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?

Probably because boys and girls have enough to learn concerning their own bodily functions at that age. I was perfectly ok with my daughters learning about their Aunt Flo at a young age...maybe not so much about nocturnal emissions. Since every family has a different opinion about what they want their kids to know, cover the basics and then tell the kids to follow up at home.

Aunt Flo? Seriously?

/maybe your comfort level isn't as high as you think it is....


Both my girls still come to me with their sex questions. Oldest just turned 22 and asked me the night she planed to have sex the first time what my thoughts were. Auntie is just a cute expression alot of females use. I work in a pet hospital where some of the customers are uncomfortable using proper names for their pets' body parts for pete's sake! You don't have to call it a "ding-ding" we all say penis.
 
2013-08-26 11:21:35 AM
In my experience 11 seems to be the magic age when a boys dad says, "How did all this porn get on the family computer?" I am judging this based on coworkers and consulting clients.

If your really unlucky it's the magic age where a boys mom says, "What the hell are you doing in here!" When she walks in unexpectedly...
 
2013-08-26 05:42:05 PM
Is masturbation something that really needs to be taught? I recall being 7 or 8 and realizing that touching myself felt really good. Experimenting on my own was all I needed to discover better ways of masturbating. I wonder what the curriculum for this class would be. I can not imagine that the class would entail details on how to masturbate. A more useful class would be on how to masturbate members of the opposite sex as that would be more useful information. Thankfully I had a 20 something female teacher when I was around 11 to instruct me in that subject as well as many others.
 
2013-08-27 12:33:47 AM

life of the sausage party: If your really unlucky it's the magic age where a boys mom says, "What the hell are you doing in here!" When she walks in unexpectedly...


Like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwgvfp3jlvc

/cringe factor 9
 
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