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2013-08-25 02:41:35 PM

ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.


Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.
 
2013-08-25 02:43:27 PM
i1214.photobucket.com
Approves.
 
2013-08-25 02:45:25 PM
In addition to discussions about masturbation, third graders may also be taught about suicide.

www.brooklynvegan.com
Frankie, Frankie....
 
2013-08-25 02:49:24 PM

archichris: jjorsett: Aaaaand of course the article itself says nothing about parental outrage, it's part of the dialog subby is hosting in his/her head. Welcome to Fark, it's not news it's making shiat up.

The point of the programs t teach this stuff is more sinister than just teaching masturbation. We all start at about the same point mentally in our inhibitions....we dont like to talk or think about things because we're raised by our parents and other adults and the generational divide makes us uncomfortable discussing sex and death with our parents. But in order to get us to a point where we are ok with many political advocacy positions, our inhibitions need to be broken down as quickly as possible.Hence the push to introduce many adult, moral, and ethical advocacy positions into elementary school.....well before children are prepared on their own to seek out that information.

The example would be... It took me many years to be comfortable around homosexuals....not because I was phobic, but because as a teenager I had to deal with my own shyness around sexual issues. I had to become comfortable around my own sexuality then around girls, then around couples then around gay men. Its a learning process and it can be applied to all political issues. But it is important to one group of advocates that people like me be prepared to march for gay rights directly out of high school. So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally. 

To paraphrase someone else's comment that I cannot find now..... a man teaching an 8 year old girl how to have sex and masturbate would go to jail....but a teacher doing the same thing in the name of destroying that childs inhibitions with respect to gay sex is considered a social advocate and an open minded person.

Just let the kids mature normally, they will form comfort levels with various uncomfortable issues in due time.



You're really weird, dude.
 
2013-08-25 02:51:25 PM

sendtodave: haolegirl: the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher

Is this still cool if the teachers are homosexuals?

Just curious.


I say yes, simply because they are discussing biological function and IDC how gay a guy is, or how butch a lady is, nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.
 
2013-08-25 02:55:56 PM

special20: haolegirl: As long as they divided up the classroom boys/girls and the girls have a female teacher and the boys a male teacher...

I still don't get why boys and girls needed to learn these things separately. I wonder what a society would be like if everyone was just honest and open about sexuality, and sex... like Sweden?


Probably because boys and girls have enough to learn concerning their own bodily functions at that age. I was perfectly ok with my daughters learning about their Aunt Flo at a young age...maybe not so much about nocturnal emissions. Since every family has a different opinion about what they want their kids to know, cover the basics and then tell the kids to follow up at home.
 
2013-08-25 02:56:22 PM

kortex: Buttsex?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-25 02:58:43 PM
As a parent myself I do have to agree 3rd grade is a little young for that. 5th grade is when they start needing to know this stuff.
 
2013-08-25 03:01:14 PM

huchipapa: I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.


i.imgur.com

18? You thought it wasn't going to come up until she's 18?
 
2013-08-25 03:01:39 PM

spman: This is a school of suburban white kids, not a minority face to be found. HIV and Drugs were not problems we were likely going to face for many more years, if ever


Yes, because if the 21st century has taught us anything, it's that HIV and drugs don't affect suburban white kid. Now excuse me as I watch all the flyover country meth-heads sucking cock for rock.
 
2013-08-25 03:02:48 PM

haolegirl: , nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...


behance.vo.llnwd.net
 
2013-08-25 03:03:58 PM
Article is vague and scare-mongering, and completely light on the specifics of what is taught to who and when. In other words, business as usual on the internet.
 
2013-08-25 03:04:48 PM

archichris: So they want these issues pushed onto children years before they are comfortable exploring them naturally.


My 3 and 5 year old daughters are very comfortable with the fact that a family we're close to has two mothers, a son and a daughter. They go play over there all the time and they come over here. They know that what makes a family is love. If you had hangups as a kid, fine. But don't project or assume those on anybody but yourself.
 
2013-08-25 03:05:05 PM
I don't necessarily have a problem with the policy, but I do wonder how out-of-sync you have to be with your own body for any kind of spankulation instruction to be helpful.

/Never too late to be immature csb: every time my wife asks me to macerate fruit (ie. coat them with sugar/wine/etc prior to dessert-making), I love to make her eye-roll by substituting "masturbate" in subsequent follow-up.  "Which fruit did you want me to masturbate?  How long does it have to stay in the fridge to be fully masturbated?" etc.
 
2013-08-25 03:05:05 PM

wumpus: ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.

Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.


Slot B.
 
2013-08-25 03:06:05 PM

haolegirl: nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.


Both women and men know what kidneystones feel like and those are a helluva lot worse.
 
2013-08-25 03:10:24 PM
God and all your dead friends and relatives are watching you masturbate.
 
2013-08-25 03:11:04 PM

Somacandra: haolegirl: nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...and whatever the equivalent is for guys.

Both women and men know what kidneystones feel like and those are a helluva lot worse.


Didn't say whether they were painful or not...just that only a woman can know what a woman can know...ya know?
 
2013-08-25 03:13:18 PM
IDK, I sure coulda used some pointers on the best way to truss up my testicles so I could hang from the the dowel in the closet when I was eight or nine. CBT pointers need to be in the curricula. I had to learn it all on my own.
 
2013-08-25 03:14:48 PM

Matthew Keene: haolegirl: , nobody knows what menstrual cramps feels like except a woman...


...ummm...??
 
2013-08-25 03:15:12 PM

StoPPeRmobile: God and all your dead friends and relatives are watching you masturbate.


Hope they enjoy the show, but it's mostly reruns.
 
2013-08-25 03:16:15 PM
The handbook says that students will "be encouraged to talk to parents in order to help them develop their own values and beliefs about masturbation." Despite this, some parents are unhappy about the new curriculum.

Despite that?  I'd say that would rank pretty high on the list of things they are unhappy with.

When my boys are old enough to get caught, I'll tell them to turn the volume down and lock the damn door.
 
2013-08-25 03:22:15 PM

ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.


Um, that one is pretty self explanatory.
 
2013-08-25 03:24:37 PM
Heh..... My oldest boy figured out what it was for about a year ago. He is in the 30 minute shower phase. His mom just clicked on it last month. She asked me "Why do you think he is taking such long showers?". I just looked at her and you could see the light bulb go on......
 
2013-08-25 03:25:27 PM

Satanus Maximus: Maturbation, eh? That's a hard one to talk about...


images.wikia.com

See, kids, when a tow truck hooks himself...
 
2013-08-25 03:26:27 PM

kendelrio: Heh..... My oldest boy figured out what it was for about a year ago. He is in the 30 minute shower phase. His mom just clicked on it last month. She asked me "Why do you think he is taking such long showers?". I just looked at her and you could see the light bulb go on......


Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...
 
2013-08-25 03:28:16 PM
One objective for sixth graders is reportedly to "define sexual intercourse, including oral and anal intercourse," according to Fox News.


i915.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-25 03:30:01 PM
So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.
 
2013-08-25 03:31:48 PM

Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.


It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.
 
2013-08-25 03:32:19 PM
Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....
 
2013-08-25 03:35:38 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....


t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-25 03:35:39 PM

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....


Typing with one hand?

NTTAWWT
 
2013-08-25 03:36:16 PM

thamike: Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.

It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.


Anthracite is correct. My gradeschool daughter is not going to pose a public health situation. Smart parents, not lazy f'd up parents. If you want to f up your own kid at an early age, be my guest, but that is a parental obligation and not the school's.
 
2013-08-25 03:37:24 PM

happydude45: thamike: Anthracite: So they are cutting silent reading in the classrooms so that they can concentrate on the Core Curriculum federal standards.

And this is a part of them.

As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this. I really think schools need to keep with math, english and etc. But leave this to the parents where it belongs.

It's a public health situation.  Venereal disease and unwanted pregnancy don't wait for stuffy, lazy, f*cked up parents.

Anthracite is correct. My gradeschool daughter is not going to pose a public health situation. Smart parents, not lazy f'd up parents. If you want to f up your own kid at an early age, be my guest, but that is a parental obligation and not the school's.


Okay.
 
2013-08-25 03:38:36 PM
The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.
 
2013-08-25 03:38:57 PM

Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.


A few months after they turn 30?
 
2013-08-25 03:39:13 PM

Not_The_Target_Market: Just another Heartland Weirdass: Csb believe it or not. I had a trunk full of fith when I was 9. This was the early 80s heartland

N o farking playboy shiat Hustlers, cherri, private swank all the way

I jacked it to all of em and on the reg. O showed em to the chicks on classes and seached thier faces for any hint of excitement or intrigue. I showed to the boys too told this is hoe a man farks a woman, not that mary jane rotten crotch you been shelling out for.

A bunch of us got together and called every farking number in the backpages in order so as not to miss one..I personally told some lady how my cock would punish her butthole before she cleaned me up and thanked me for my savagery. I jack it and jacked and jacked it. I was stealing booze and putting it down. Wild Turkey, jd etc. I packed a shiatty butterfly knife and a good ka bar. I could shoot. Not well but I was in go mode. Some of my older friends had much more lucrative scams and better drugs. I tried coke and other stimulants. The town new it, and they kept their distance. This was before I was 10 years old,in hays Kansas. I was a moderate kid. My brother thou gh....

Typing with one hand?

NTTAWWT


Just drunk on a Testy siii
 
2013-08-25 03:40:05 PM

huchipapa: Yesterday my 12yo daughter and I were driving into town for something and she was telling me about this novel she was reading where "the girl put her mouth on the boy's [yatchee].  That's disgusting.  They call it a blow job".  Three sudden lanes of traffic later and trying to dry the coffee I spilled all over myself, I almost passed out.

I was not ready for that conversation/thought process/exposure for another oh 6 years or so.

/6th grade was such a revelation for her.  It's killing me.


A word of advice: Get over your issues, or she will stop talking to you about sex.
 
2013-08-25 03:40:37 PM

lack of warmth: The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.


What a fascinating anecdote.
 
2013-08-25 03:40:55 PM
haolegirl:Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...

Bingo. We were at a friend of ours house when her 12 year old son was showering. He had been in there about 20 minutes and she hopped up and said "I hope he's ok, I'm going to check on him". She came back red-faced with her jaw hanging and said "I ummm... He was... umm... He's ok". I almost pissed myself laughing.

It's amazing that some parents live in denial that their kid is growing up and figuring shiat out.
 
2013-08-25 03:41:28 PM
I started reading the article and thought I was reading the Onion.  The schools are already wasting too much time with social engineering.
 
2013-08-25 03:41:32 PM

lack of warmth: The only person I ever knew to masturbate as young as nine is my wife's cousin who is now a ward of the state till they deem him to be allowed in public again for the sick sex acts he was caught doing to smaller kids. I think you guess how I feel about this. There is no harm waiting a while to teach kids certain things. They'll grow up fast enough.


Too bad those smaller kids didn't know what was up, maybe they could have told someone and caught him sooner.
 
2013-08-25 03:43:01 PM

BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?


Hopefully they get correct information.
 
2013-08-25 03:43:41 PM

haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.


Cosmopolitan.
 
2013-08-25 03:47:18 PM

kendelrio: haolegirl:Lmao, I'm gonna guess he's about 12 or so...

Bingo. We were at a friend of ours house when her 12 year old son was showering. He had been in there about 20 minutes and she hopped up and said "I hope he's ok, I'm going to check on him". She came back red-faced with her jaw hanging and said "I ummm... He was... umm... He's ok". I almost pissed myself laughing.

It's amazing that some parents live in denial that their kid is growing up and figuring shiat out.


Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.
 
2013-08-25 03:49:26 PM

thamike: haolegirl: BMFPitt: Anthracite: As a parent, I want to be able to teach my kids when i think they are ready to be taught stuff like this.

A few months after they turn 30?

Hopefully they get correct information.

Cosmopolitan.


Omg, their gonna tie em up with toilet paper :-o
 
2013-08-25 03:59:21 PM
IMHO it's not that difficult. I have 3 sons. My oldest boy is 22. We had the "talk" when he was 10. He was getting curious and we worked on old cars together. We used that time as "guy time". It was his chance to ask questions about anything going on in his mind. No judgement on him, just a chance to get the answers to things he wanted to know. We have a great relationship and he has been sexually responsible so far. With my 12 year old, it's the same thing but working on motorcycles.  The 2 year old hasn't shown any signs of questioning his body yet.

The key is giving them a forum for asking questions and answering as honestly as you can. If the child feels like they are going to get into trouble, they won't open up. If you give them an opportunity, you'll find out more about what goes on in their minds, their peer group and other aspects of their life than if you try to hold them back.

Hell, Mrs. Delrio lost her mind (to me) when she found out he was trying to find "boobies" on youtube. (She checked his search history). I had a talk with her about the fact that he is growing up and to let me handle it.

Next wrenching session, I eased the conversation around to the internet and youtube etc and had a good discussion about his curiosity about women's bodies and what exactly he wanted to know.

So far he is well rounded and we have dispelled a lot of the curiosity with facts.

/tl;dr version: Talk to your kids. give them a chance to open up to you without you going all "Wharrglbargl" on them.
 
2013-08-25 04:03:44 PM
haolegirl:Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.

Absolutely. I remember the conversation "When I rub on it it feels good. What does that mean?"

/goal oriented. heh
//the goal never changes, only gets easier to reach with practice!
///tmi?
 
2013-08-25 04:10:23 PM

Tillmaster: wumpus: ninotchka: In my late 30s and still don't know anything about anal intercourse. Love being just a little bit innocent.

Not much to know. Insert tab D Into slot A. Repeat.

Slot B.


Depends on the terminology. But some prefer slot V, you know.
 
2013-08-25 04:16:07 PM

kendelrio: haolegirl:Hahaha!! Boys start that at a VERY early age (3-4) just because they are exploring their bodies and it feels good. They start "goal oriented" masturbation at 11-12.

Absolutely. I remember the conversation "When I rub on it it feels good. What does that mean?"

/goal oriented. heh
//the goal never changes, only gets easier to reach with practice!
///tmi?


Only if this were grade school apparently
 
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