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2013-08-25 11:34:51 AM  
1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?
 
2013-08-25 11:56:48 AM  

Elegy: 1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?


Yep, that's what I'm smelling, too. It's a shame because, in a lot of Illinois, all the factories are gone and there ain't no jobs. There is, however, a lot of good farmland and putting that land and the unemployed to work could mean a helluva lot of money to a part of the country that needs it.

Unless those permits go to the highest bidders, of course.
 
2013-08-25 12:06:46 PM  

WordyGrrl: Elegy: 1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?

Yep, that's what I'm smelling, too. It's a shame because, in a lot of Illinois, all the factories are gone and there ain't no jobs. There is, however, a lot of good farmland and putting that land and the unemployed to work could mean a helluva lot of money to a part of the country that needs it.

Unless those permits go to the highest bidders, of course.


growing it on "farms" isn't really an ideal situation. its subject to pests,thieves,cross-pollination and the weather. a greenhouse environment would be ideal.
 
2013-08-25 12:08:51 PM  
Funny how liberal socialists want to destroy US Business and the motive of Profit until profit derives from weed ... then Katy Bar The Door.
 
2013-08-25 12:12:58 PM  
Look at all the time, money, and effort spent by our government waging war on marijuana. Look at all the lives ruined by imprisonment, loss of income, and criminal records. Who has benefited from all this? What part of our society is better for having spent decades waging war on a plant? How would our society be harmed if we just stopped?
 
2013-08-25 12:13:33 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Funny how liberal socialists want to destroy US Business and the motive of Profit until profit derives from weed ... then Katy Bar The Door.


Funny how they don't want to destroy businesses. they just want to regulate them where we don't have huge monopolies running our govt.
 
2013-08-25 12:16:47 PM  
Yep, those poor, poor Pants-Wetters - you know, all the people who believed the lies told us about how EVIL marijuana is, and whom hitched their professional wagons to the star of "Drug Warriors" - you know, the DEA, FDA, FBI, CIA, Jailers, cops, judges, lawyers, lawmakers, weapons vendors, swat gear vendors, vehicle manufacturers, night vision goggle mfg...all of them have a deep financial need to keep marijuana illegal.

When it is legalized - and it will be eventually - they will have lost all the professional standing as "Drug Warriors".  We need to have a lot of compassion for these money and power addicts, we need to help them with their recovery.  I expect that like the VA, we need to offer them the therapy and LEGAL drugs from approved companies to help them recover their lost dignity and tarnished self-respect.

We need to off them job training to help them transition to civilian life and treat their PTSD.

Only then can we expect the addict to return to being a productive member of our society, rather than a drag on all of us.

I ask that all of you join me in extending the hand of friendship to one of these tax dollar addicts in uniform and give them a helping hand.
 
2013-08-25 12:19:19 PM  

Hobodeluxe: WordyGrrl: Elegy: 1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?

Yep, that's what I'm smelling, too. It's a shame because, in a lot of Illinois, all the factories are gone and there ain't no jobs. There is, however, a lot of good farmland and putting that land and the unemployed to work could mean a helluva lot of money to a part of the country that needs it.

Unless those permits go to the highest bidders, of course.

growing it on "farms" isn't really an ideal situation. its subject to pests,thieves,cross-pollination and the weather. a greenhouse environment would be ideal.


you would get higher yield in a more closely controlled environment like a greenhouse, but we grow most of the (non-meat) food we eat in fields and it works just fine.

There are remedies for pests.  And people don't generally steal corn or wheat out of farm lands because you'd have to steal an awful lot to make it worthwhile and weather can be a problem but we still get by.
 
2013-08-25 12:19:59 PM  
In Washington state, they want to charge so many fees and taxes that it will be not affordable.
 
2013-08-25 12:22:02 PM  
How long will all of the hodgepodges of byzantine state regulations last?

When will say Colorado growers sue to allow their product to be imported into Illinois?

I know the alcohol laws are still a hodgepodge but as far as I know they are used to protect state-level distributors (retail sellers cannot buy direct from a manufacturer but have to buy from distributor) - not create a monopoly for state level producers.
 
2013-08-25 12:31:02 PM  
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IT'S-AH GOOD-AH FOR THE BUSINESS-AH
 
2013-08-25 12:38:15 PM  

HairBolus: When will say Colorado growers sue to allow their product to be imported into Illinois?


I don't see that happening.  Even if Illiiois legalizes pot outright, there is still the issue of interstate commerce.    If Illinois legalizes pot, they probably wouldn't even object to Colorado pot being sold there so it's a non-issue.

What this might come down to is states rights.  I read somewhere that in the late 19th century that anti-smokers tried to get Congress to outlaw tobacco and Congress basically said states rights - we don't have the authority. to do that and in fact a number of states did ban tobacco.

Later on, Congress decided they had much more power and was backed up by SCOTUS (e.g. Wickard v. Filburn) and the Interstate Commerce Clause trumped everything.

You might remember that case of Gonzalez v Raich which also held the Interstate Commerce Clause the supreme law of the land because fark you, we're the federal government. and we can tell you what to do and what not to do.
 
2013-08-25 12:38:21 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Funny how liberal socialists want to destroy US Business and the motive of Profit until profit derives from weed ... then Katy Bar The Door.


That's right, Chlamydiot, liberal socialists want to destroy US (b)usiness and the motive of (p)rofit until profit derives from weed.  Glad you explained the logic, there.  Looking at things that way, conservative fascists want to pave the national parks, and feed mercury to fetuses?
 
2013-08-25 12:40:08 PM  
Damn. Everyone is a pusher.

IF:
1) you think temporary mental impairment thru alcohol is fine
AND
2) you think affecting your health thru activities such as smoking
THEN:
You will see weed as a natural extension.

/not sure where the line will be drawn
//feel free to offer contrary opinion
///thinks alcohol is a problem that is constantly pushed under the rug and smoking should have been banned by the government the day it was proved to cause cancer instead of just adding a sticker to the box
 
2013-08-25 12:53:57 PM  

Resident Muslim: Damn. Everyone is a pusher.

IF:
1) you think temporary mental impairment thru alcohol is fine
AND
2) you think affecting your health thru activities such as smoking
THEN:
You will see weed as a natural extension.

/not sure where the line will be drawn
//feel free to offer contrary opinion
///thinks alcohol is a problem that is constantly pushed under the rug and smoking should have been banned by the government the day it was proved to cause cancer instead of just adding a sticker to the box


The way I see it the line should be drawn where the activities place others at unacceptable risk.

Alcohol, tobacco, and marijuana don't cause harm to anyone other than yourself, and when used in moderation even that harm is minimal.  We have laws to protect others against drunk drivers and second hand smoke to prevent the use from putting others at risk, and similar restrictions against driving while impaired or smoking in enclosed public places would make sense for marijuana as well.

I'd be more suspect about harder drugs.  Marijuana doesn't make you violent, nor does it pose a risk for overdose.  It's safer when it comes to the risk of OD than alcohol.
 
2013-08-25 12:55:38 PM  

Resident Muslim: Damn. Everyone is a pusher.

IF:
1) you think temporary mental impairment thru alcohol is fine
AND
2) you think affecting your health thru activities such as smoking
THEN:
You will see weed as a natural extension.

/not sure where the line will be drawn
//feel free to offer contrary opinion
///thinks alcohol is a problem that is constantly pushed under the rug and smoking should have been banned by the government the day it was proved to cause cancer instead of just adding a sticker to the box




No, but everyone is an addict.
 
2013-08-25 12:57:15 PM  

Resident Muslim: Damn. Everyone is a pusher.

IF:
1) you think temporary mental impairment thru alcohol is fine
AND
2) you think affecting your health thru activities such as smoking
THEN:
You will see weed as a natural extension.

/not sure where the line will be drawn
//feel free to offer contrary opinion
///thinks alcohol is a problem that is constantly pushed under the rug and smoking should have been banned by the government the day it was proved to cause cancer instead of just adding a sticker to the box


Everything causes cancer.

Ban everything!
 
2013-08-25 01:02:55 PM  
Some of this money needs to go to reclassify it at the federal level, otherwise these fools are just setting up easy targets for the DEA.
 
2013-08-25 01:03:03 PM  

Notabunny: Who has benefited from all this?


Private capital invested in guns, prisons, pharmaceuticals, alcohol, tobacco, paper, and plastics.  This is how things work in a plutocracy.
 
2013-08-25 01:03:29 PM  

Elegy: 1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?


WORSE, how much port would the grow house for chicago district have to grow?
Statistically, most or all of the patients who get approval to buy, will live in the chicago district.
So one grow house will do great and the rest will suck. 

UNLESS of course, the 22 producers can sell to any and all of the 60 dispensaries.

farkING Illinois and their bullshiat distribution systems.
sigh
 
2013-08-25 01:06:51 PM  

gfid: HairBolus: When will say Colorado growers sue to allow their product to be imported into Illinois?

I don't see that happening.  Even if Illiiois legalizes pot outright, there is still the issue of interstate commerce.    If Illinois legalizes pot, they probably wouldn't even object to Colorado pot being sold there so it's a non-issue.

What this might come down to is states rights.  I read somewhere that in the late 19th century that anti-smokers tried to get Congress to outlaw tobacco and Congress basically said states rights - we don't have the authority. to do that and in fact a number of states did ban tobacco.

Later on, Congress decided they had much more power and was backed up by SCOTUS (e.g. Wickard v. Filburn) and the Interstate Commerce Clause trumped everything.

You might remember that case of Gonzalez v Raich which also held the Interstate Commerce Clause the supreme law of the land because fark you, we're the federal government. and we can tell you what to do and what not to do.


Except that the ONLY REASON that drugs are illegal in the US is the damn commerce clause to start with.
The whole "but if you grow it in colorado, it might get sold in Illinois, so we have to make it illegal EVERYWHERE"

farkem all
 
2013-08-25 02:00:25 PM  
Eventually, the profit for legalizing weed was going to be larger than the profit made by keeping it illegal.

/Alas for the days when you could make the nest egg for starting your own business by dealing weed.
 
2013-08-25 02:29:05 PM  

Hobodeluxe: growing it on "farms" isn't really an ideal situation. its subject to pests,thieves,cross-pollination and the weather. a greenhouse environment would be ideal.


If one wishes to maintain/improve on the qualities of the source cultivar then, yes, by all means controlling all inputs is essential.  To `briefly' improve the overall quality of a stand of ditchweed?  Then a couple of generations on - where the seeds of a good quality cultivar have been broadcast into the mix will allow one to produce a marketable extract.  The higher the latitude - the more variable the results over generations of outdoor grows.

Midwest U.S. is excellent for hemp.  15 ft. monsters in the river bottoms.  Other `qualities' can be bred in but, unless maintained, will eventually fade back into rope.  If legalized tomorrow, the first thing my friend would be doing would be ordering seeds of Sativa cultivars developed near the equator (F1 would be fine outdoors/indoors the game would be afoot).

In order for any government to create the `smoke filled dream' of a tax base from this plant, they'll have to maintain control of the planting (otherwise there'll be every sort of tyro in every backyard breeding for every sort of expression of every sort of variation of the `active' `ingredients'  - mere anarchy ain't gonna pay any bills and will cut into certain segments of Pharm. that will no doubt be doubling down on breeding/synthesizing as well).

/Go Colorado!!! (and others)
//plenty of good areas for experimentation down in Little Egypt
 
2013-08-25 03:25:26 PM  

Crazy Lee: In order for any government to create the `smoke filled dream' of a tax base from this plant, they'll have to maintain control of the planting


That is completely and totally false. And funny how far from reality and the truth that you are.

Compare Weed to Beer.
I can make my own beer. I can get/buy beer from a friend who makes his own.
But what EVERYONE (for 99.9999999% of the values of EVERYONE) goes to the store and buys beer off the shelf.

Why the fark would I waste time growing my own weed, when I could buy premium blah blah blah blend from the CVS? And get quality control and exactly what I pay for?
Why would I wait for my dealer to show up and deal with shady characters when I can jsut hit the CVS?

IF the national completely legalized pot. Growing, selling and smoking.
Of course it would be legal for people to grow there own.
People selling it and not paying taxes would be just like all the other existing tax cheats that exist today.
YAWNNNNNN

The money is so big, that CVS would sell it and most people would buy from CVS, pay the taxes and just not care.

YAWNNNNNN

/you are talking about silly versions of legalization which are in the middle. which wont work, but might be transition steps.
/or worse, big stupid steps which wouldnt work. as long as it is MUCH cheaper to grow your own or buy from where you get it today, no one would buy the legal stuff.
 
2013-08-25 03:45:04 PM  

namatad: Crazy Lee: In order for any government to create the `smoke filled dream' of a tax base from this plant, they'll have to maintain control of the planting

That is completely and totally false. And funny how far from reality and the truth that you are.

Compare Weed to Beer.
I can make my own beer. I can get/buy beer from a friend who makes his own.
But what EVERYONE (for 99.9999999% of the values of EVERYONE) goes to the store and buys beer off the shelf.

Why the fark would I waste time growing my own weed, when I could buy premium blah blah blah blend from the CVS? And get quality control and exactly what I pay for?
Why would I wait for my dealer to show up and deal with shady characters when I can jsut hit the CVS?

IF the national completely legalized pot. Growing, selling and smoking.
Of course it would be legal for people to grow there own.
People selling it and not paying taxes would be just like all the other existing tax cheats that exist today.
YAWNNNNNN

The money is so big, that CVS would sell it and most people would buy from CVS, pay the taxes and just not care.

YAWNNNNNN

/you are talking about silly versions of legalization which are in the middle. which wont work, but might be transition steps.
/or worse, big stupid steps which wouldnt work. as long as it is MUCH cheaper to grow your own or buy from where you get it today, no one would buy the legal stuff.


Trying to look at it from the perspective of an elected official under a completely legalized regime.
Unlike `beer' Cannabis is, at base, no more than an attractive, reseeding, ornamental that would be sold to gardeners through Thompson/Morgan and Park Seed catalogs (was used as an accent plant in the lobby of the Waldorf Astoria in the 1880's).  `Home brewing' of the drug?  Buy seeds from a high quality line, water it and watch out for bugs - that's it.

Sure, there will be niche markets/lowest common denominator/boutique/targeted medical (Pharm will go down the synthetic pathway).  and taxes will be collected - but the totals being bandied about are ridiculously inflated.
 
2013-08-25 03:59:30 PM  
Typing too quick (1890's), think there is a photo of the lobby of the Waldorf with the Sativas in big (cute - of course) containers.
 
2013-08-25 04:01:21 PM  
Hmmm, If there were just some way of importing medical supplies.
 
2013-08-25 04:49:02 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: Funny how liberal socialists want to destroy US Business and the motive of Profit until profit derives from weed ... then Katy Bar The Door.


Obvious troll is obvious. 2/10. Now excuse me while I go smoke some Sour Diesel...
 
2013-08-25 05:10:06 PM  

Crazy Lee: `Home brewing' of the drug?  Buy seeds from a high quality line, water it and watch out for bugs - that's it.


hahahah haahahahahah hahahahah ahahhaa
You must be smoking some pretty crappy ditch weed.

1) you grow out side. as soon as your plant is half as tall as you might want, it disappears during the night.
2) you grow inside and have to

toss in harvesting, drying, etc etc etc

turns out it is always cheaper and easier to BUY a product than to make your own.
I can and have built my own computers for decades, but the last one was prebuilt for me.
Got what I wanted, saved a ton of my time.

I can change my own oil, brake pads, hell, I can wash my own car; but I save a ton of time buy paying experts to do a better job.

That goes the same for pretty much everything in my life.
I bet that is true for 99.999999% of the population.
How many people make their own clothes, shoes, tools, food, house, energy, etc etc etc

time = money, with quality as an added bonus
 
2013-08-25 05:37:01 PM  

namatad: Crazy Lee: `Home brewing' of the drug?  Buy seeds from a high quality line, water it and watch out for bugs - that's it.

hahahah haahahahahah hahahahah ahahhaa
You must be smoking some pretty crappy ditch weed.

1) you grow out side. as soon as your plant is half as tall as you might want, it disappears during the night.
2) you grow inside and have to

toss in harvesting, drying, etc etc etc

turns out it is always cheaper and easier to BUY a product than to make your own.
I can and have built my own computers for decades, but the last one was prebuilt for me.
Got what I wanted, saved a ton of my time.

I can change my own oil, brake pads, hell, I can wash my own car; but I save a ton of time buy paying experts to do a better job.

That goes the same for pretty much everything in my life.
I bet that is true for 99.999999% of the population.
How many people make their own clothes, shoes, tools, food, house, energy, etc etc etc

time = money, with quality as an added bonus


In 1989, the State of Missouri was angling for Federal funds to fight the drug scourge.  In order to prove the need they denuded the Franklin Wildlife Area, along the Missouri River, of 500,000 `dope plants.  The DNR raised hell because the seed provided forage for an extensive population of game birds (DNR lost hunting tag revenue).  The stuff was hemp (and yes, most years it looked like a hemp forest).  The only bad actors that made money off it (previously) were locals who sold `treasure maps' to Freshman at MU in Columbia.  Dopers completely ignored it.

If one starts with good quality seeds.  One can begin removing and vaporizing the plate leaf at the 4th set (and, yes, there are breeders focused on upping Delta9/etc. during period of early vegetative growth - need more than three hits? pull up the plant).  You fail to take into account every Martha Stewart wannabe with menstrual cramps will be babying their boo like they do their Cleomes and Coreopsis (and they'll all be trading with one another).  Think of the huge increase in the number of Americans who are raising and keeping poultry - that is labor intensive and time consuming - growing marijuana - not so much.   Of course, if a weed porn spread is one's goal, then one can devote every sort kind attention to the plants.  If mild pain relief is the goal - then good quality seed, a litttle water, fertilizer and attending to insect predators is sufficient.

We grow Cat Mint every year to dose the pussies.  If cannabis were legal the effort to grow it would represent no more investment of time or effort.  There are very good references available on gardening, you know - not that that is actually required.
 
2013-08-25 07:18:02 PM  

gfid: Hobodeluxe: WordyGrrl: Elegy: 1) Take a plant that can grow so prolifically its nickname is "weed"
2) Tenporarily legalize it to meet a pent up demand
3) Allow only 22 people to grow it and 60 people to sell it during the next four years
4) Massive, massive profits

I smell a rat. State backed monopoly, how does it farking work?

Yep, that's what I'm smelling, too. It's a shame because, in a lot of Illinois, all the factories are gone and there ain't no jobs. There is, however, a lot of good farmland and putting that land and the unemployed to work could mean a helluva lot of money to a part of the country that needs it.

Unless those permits go to the highest bidders, of course.

growing it on "farms" isn't really an ideal situation. its subject to pests,thieves,cross-pollination and the weather. a greenhouse environment would be ideal.

you would get higher yield in a more closely controlled environment like a greenhouse, but we grow most of the (non-meat) food we eat in fields and it works just fine.

There are remedies for pests.  And people don't generally steal corn or wheat out of farm lands because you'd have to steal an awful lot to make it worthwhile and weather can be a problem but we still get by.


Zackly. And there are plenty of unemployed hicks in Southern Illinois who'd be glad to walk around the fields (with or without greenhouses) with a shotgun to protect the crops from pests, vermin or human, in exchange for a bit of income.
 
2013-08-26 03:17:55 AM  

Crazy Lee: We grow Cat Mint every year to dose the pussies.  If cannabis were legal the effort to grow it would represent no more investment of time or effort.  There are very good references available on gardening, you know - not that that is actually required.


Hey, dont get me wrong, I grow orchids in the house along with some insane palms.
I love my plants. But in the end, I go to the store to buy vegis and what not.
I have money and no time, so I spend my money and save my time.
Your mileage may vary.

My guess is that pot would be just like pretty much every other commodity.
At some point it would be cheap enough, sold in packs of 20, that the majority of lazy america would just hit the local 7/11 and pick up a pack or two when needed.
 
2013-08-26 09:38:58 AM  

Notabunny: Look at all the time, money, and effort spent by our government waging war on marijuana. Look at all the lives ruined by imprisonment, loss of income, and criminal records.

Who has benefited from all this?

A:  The for-profit prison industry, pharmaceutical corporations, tobacco industry, DEA and other big$$$ gov't organizations, local law enforcement making a killing on payoffs, drug cartels, whomever dreamed up this DARE crap

What part of our society is better for having spent decades waging war on a plant?
A:  I can't believe you're asking this.  Before I reeducate you, let me wash down my hourly dosage of vicodan with a couple martinis to get in the mood.

How would our society be harmed if we just stopped?
A:  Teh gheys.  Anyone who smokes the devil-weed is instantly ghey.  Don't you watch Fox News?
 
2013-08-26 09:43:45 AM  

ristst: How would our society be harmed if we just stopped?
A: Teh gheys. Anyone who smokes the devil-weed is instantly ghey. Don't you watch Fox News?


Sorry...it's god-fearing patriots like Ted Nugent who will be harmed by untold millions of gheys that will emerge once they take their first puff.
 
2013-08-26 05:04:23 PM  
That's funny. I was just rewatching the Sopranos
 
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