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2013-08-25 08:53:55 AM
They face snipers and IED/VBIEDs?

Wow. Brave flat feet.
 
2013-08-25 08:58:37 AM

NewportBarGuy: They face snipers and IED/VBIEDs?

Wow. Brave flat feet.


  I'm sitting here in Afghanistan right now and, honestly, I feel safer here than I would in many areas of the US.  Meaning, areas where my skin color would make me very obvious.  Then again, I also get to walk around here with a 9mm strapped to my hip.
 
2013-08-25 09:12:17 AM
"They're battlefields, therefore we need all of the military equipment you can give us please oh please oh please"
 
2013-08-25 09:12:53 AM
Ah, I guess that is actually what they're saying.  Should've RTFA.
 
2013-08-25 09:15:20 AM

CPT Ethanolic: I'm sitting here in Afghanistan right now and, honestly, I feel safer here than I would in many areas of the US. Meaning, areas where my skin color would make me very obvious. Then again, I also get to walk around here with a 9mm strapped to my hip.


Right. However, are you in located in a FOB and conducting daily patrols, or are you near a main support base that is guarded like an armed city?

They are comparing combat patrols in a hostile location to walking a beat in cities that, while high in crime, are not staking out ambushes for police, or willing to die simply walking up to a car with a bomb strapped to their chest.

It's a ludicrous comparison in most cases. I'm sure some areas of Oakland, Detroit, Baltimore and others require heavy tactics when hitting a drug den or making mass arrests. But, simply patrolling? No, they do not need up-armored HMMWVs or 25mm chain guns on top of the patrol car.

The difference? In combat, the indigs target the cops/troops. Here at home, most of them try to hide from the cops. Or, in combat, they will just wait for them to go away and then move in and take territory.

The militarization of the U.S. police forces has gotten way out of hand and DHS should not be giving them half the sh*t they are. The more militarized they become (thinking of neighborhoods as sectors) the quicker you get separation between citizens and police and then you don't have the community on your side, it's both sides against each other.

They learned that pretty quickly in Iraq and tried to use show of force patrols combined with community outreach efforts (paying for doors they kicked in, building wells/electricity). Gen. Petraeus brought that to Afghanistan as well as some of the commanders before him and since. But it's still not comparable to combat and street patrols and law enforcement.

It's ridiculous to think that you can have a police force think of their assigned patrol as a battlefield. Except for some of the more violent areas I mentioned above. Even there, those problems are ones that are economic and social and not militant factions bent on pushing out an invader.
 
2013-08-25 09:19:57 AM
It's to like it happens on a daily basis, but cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina. I know cops who took fire retrieving bodies in N.O. East, hospital cops who had to radio for support getting shot at evacuating patients. One National Guardsman I know whose unit was just coming back from Iraq and got sent to New Orleans called it "Fallujah with more humidity and no IEDs."
 
2013-08-25 09:28:52 AM

Nabb1: It's to like it happens on a daily basis, but cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina. I know cops who took fire retrieving bodies in N.O. East, hospital cops who had to radio for support getting shot at evacuating patients. One National Guardsman I know whose unit was just coming back from Iraq and got sent to New Orleans called it "Fallujah with more humidity and no IEDs."


Well, when the National Guard get called out, and it's a catastrophe on the scale of Katrina? Yeah. That's not what these people are advocating for. They want full battle-rattle to man DUI checkpoints.
 
2013-08-25 09:36:40 AM

NewportBarGuy: Nabb1: It's to like it happens on a daily basis, but cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina. I know cops who took fire retrieving bodies in N.O. East, hospital cops who had to radio for support getting shot at evacuating patients. One National Guardsman I know whose unit was just coming back from Iraq and got sent to New Orleans called it "Fallujah with more humidity and no IEDs."

Well, when the National Guard get called out, and it's a catastrophe on the scale of Katrina? Yeah. That's not what these people are advocating for. They want full battle-rattle to man DUI checkpoints.


I disagree with that, obviously. Hopefully Katrina remains a statistical outlier in that regard. Law enforcement didn't behave well, either, with NOPD going house to house seizing guns from people and then the murders they committed and tried to cover up.
 
2013-08-25 10:20:47 AM
So basically, that guy thinks the role role of the police is that of an occupying military force, with the American people as the enemies of the state.

And that they get to determine if you have rights or not, especially in regards to the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

Good times.
 
2013-08-25 10:48:10 AM
I would take SWAT teams more seriously if they weren't out delivering warrants with various armored vehicles and helicopters at 2 AM on unsuspecting retirees.
 
2013-08-25 11:01:57 AM
Well, they obviously need taxpayer money now to get a fleet of tanks and dual .50 cal's mounted to all cruisers..
 
2013-08-25 11:07:52 AM

vegas_greaser: Well, they obviously need taxpayer money now to get a fleet of tanks and dual .50 cal's mounted to all cruisers..


pjmedia.com

Haven't we all wished we had at least one .50 or Gatling on our vehicle when going through traffic?
 
2013-08-25 11:07:59 AM
This f*cktard shouldn't be armed with anything more powerful than a Super-soaker

/he's got usagainstthem dementia
 
2013-08-25 11:10:16 AM
Sounds like the cops are getting brainwashed by saying War on Drugs, War on this, War on that.
They all need therapy.
 
2013-08-25 11:13:18 AM
A nation of cowards.
 
2013-08-25 11:13:37 AM
Who you gonna call when an armed gang breaks into your house in the middle of the night, beats you up, terrorizes your family, and steals all your stuff?

The police? No.

They're already there.
 
2013-08-25 11:13:37 AM

Aarontology: So basically, that guy thinks the role role of the police is that of an occupying military force, with the American people as the enemies of the state.

And that they get to determine if you have rights or not, especially in regards to the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

Good times.




Plus they get to pull your car over for... anything they farking want.

/veteran
 
2013-08-25 11:13:57 AM
SWAT Cop Says American Neighborhoods Are 'Battlefields,' Claims Copswho have never seen a battlefield  Face Same Dangers As Soldiers In Afghanistan

Fixed it for them
 
2013-08-25 11:14:03 AM
As chairman of my HOA's Artillery Subcommittee, I concur with the author's conclusions.
 
2013-08-25 11:14:15 AM
I know right!  My neighborhood has whites people, latino people, black people, I heard a rumor we may even get an asian!  It's terrible!  There have been 2 traffic accidents in the last 18 months.  Everyone watches out for each other's kids, and is always waving at each other or talking about the new school year.

/It's hell I tell you.
 
2013-08-25 11:14:28 AM
Just wait for his next book, Ciudad Juarez: So Easy After Beverly Hills: but the boy-hookers aren't as macho.

i1.cpcache.com
 
2013-08-25 11:15:27 AM

CPT Ethanolic: NewportBarGuy: They face snipers and IED/VBIEDs?

Wow. Brave flat feet.

  I'm sitting here in Afghanistan right now and, honestly, I feel safer here than I would in many areas of the US.  Meaning, areas where my skin color would make me very obvious.  Then again, I also get to walk around here with a 9mm strapped to my hip.


shiat, that's standard-issue in AZ. You get it at the border along with a rack & brush gun.
 
2013-08-25 11:15:35 AM

Nabb1: It's to like it happens on a daily basis, but cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina. I know cops who took fire retrieving bodies in N.O. East, hospital cops who had to radio for support getting shot at evacuating patients. One National Guardsman I know whose unit was just coming back from Iraq and got sent to New Orleans called it "Fallujah with more humidity and no IEDs."


A sane person would take the IEDs over the humidity any day.
 
2013-08-25 11:16:31 AM
Its their past ditch effort to justify all the military gear the government buys for them since it looks like the drug war is slowing down. If the legalize pot most of the funding is gone.

I said for years budgets in most towns are too large, we had our local police department buy ducatti motorcycles for their force. It was a waste of money since even regular maintenance was triple what they currently paid.
 
2013-08-25 11:16:54 AM
What the hell are they doing to these people in training?
 
2013-08-25 11:17:43 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This f*cktard shouldn't be armed with anything more powerful than a Super-soaker

/he's got usagainstthem dementia


I see it happen to people who have been police for long enough.

Spend more time having to deal with the scum of society, many of whom actively hate you, than you spend with your own family, and your perceptions may change too.
 
2013-08-25 11:18:04 AM
An article about cops but a picture of military personnel?  Oh wait now I see the "police" logo.. Makes all the difference!
 
2013-08-25 11:20:26 AM

Nabb1: It's to like it happens on a daily basis, but cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina. I know cops who took fire retrieving bodies in N.O. East, hospital cops who had to radio for support getting shot at evacuating patients. One National Guardsman I know whose unit was just coming back from Iraq and got sent to New Orleans called it "Fallujah with more humidity and no IEDs."


Cops executing evacuees on bridges over trouble waters will cause a reaction like that.
 
2013-08-25 11:21:14 AM
Love is a battlefield
 
2013-08-25 11:21:18 AM

J. Frank Parnell: What the hell are they doing to these people in training?


That's my question as well. They do seem to view the American people as the enemy.
 
2013-08-25 11:21:45 AM

CPT Ethanolic: NewportBarGuy: They face snipers and IED/VBIEDs?

Wow. Brave flat feet.

  I'm sitting here in Afghanistan right now and, honestly, I feel safer here than I would in many areas of the US.  Meaning, areas where my skin color would make me very obvious.  Then again, I also get to walk around here with a 9mm strapped to my hip.


Well I've never been to Afghanistan but I think you're full of shiat.  It doesn't matter what color you are in my neighborhood, you're going to be safe.  Now it may be different in certain neighborhoods in Chicago or Houston or LA but I feel safer in my neighborhood than I ever felt in any other country - like Germany.  And no, I didn't feel in danger when I was in Germany, but I'm just saying I feel safer here.

Maybe the cops should back off a little.  They don't need to militarize themselves anymore.  They need to chill out and be a part of the community.  Two cops live in my neighborhood - just judging by their cars parked outside.  There actually could be more.  I think that's a great thing.  Who the fark is going to break into my house when there's cops living around here.

But whatever I saw an interesting bit on some news show recently.  It might have been 60 Minutes, but I'm not sure.  The cops decided to take a lesson from some of the crap that went down in Iraq and Afghanistan.  They started hanging out in the community and talking to people.  They basically started acting like humans instead of the goon squad.    And they found out that people would talk to them and tip them off to crimes.

The community started seeing cops as friends instead of the enemy.  Even in my safe neighborhood I'm not inclined to talk to cops.  They may not be after me but I don't see them as someone I can trust so fark them.

Just based on news reports, I don't think I would ever feel safe anywhere in Afghanistan even with a gun.    Granted, I wouldn't feel safe in a ghetto in Chicago either, but that's beside the point.  I don't live in farking Chicago and I'm not going to vacation in Afghanistan either.
 
2013-08-25 11:22:00 AM

Mister Peejay: MaudlinMutantMollusk: This f*cktard shouldn't be armed with anything more powerful than a Super-soaker

/he's got usagainstthem dementia

I see it happen to people who have been police for long enough.

Spend more time having to deal with the scum of society, many of whom actively hate you, than you spend with your own family, and your perceptions may change too.


Still inexcusable.
 
2013-08-25 11:22:38 AM
Crime has never been as scarce as today.
 
2013-08-25 11:23:33 AM
Because functional psychopaths with badges need automatic weapons, FEAR, FEAR, FEAR!
 
2013-08-25 11:24:51 AM

phenn: J. Frank Parnell: What the hell are they doing to these people in training?

That's my question as well. They do seem to view the American people as the enemy.


I don't know, I bet a significant portion of cops started out that way.
 
2013-08-25 11:26:17 AM
nobody sees what I post here anymore right?
 
2013-08-25 11:26:24 AM
It is a battlefield out there.  But we are strong.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-25 11:26:58 AM

Deep Contact: Sounds like the cops are getting brainwashed by saying War on Drugs, War on this, War on that.
They all need therapy.


.308 therapy with a dose of .45 behavorial modification
 
2013-08-25 11:27:07 AM

AliceBToklasLives: Crime has never been as scarce as today.


It's still early though.
 
2013-08-25 11:27:40 AM

Nabb1: cops, SWAT teams and the National Guard got into firefights in New Orleans in the days after Katrina


They sure did
 

New Orleans Cops Involved In Katrina Shootings And Cover-Up Face Decades In Prison
 
2013-08-25 11:27:56 AM
Forget the fact that violent crimes are on the decline, and have been for the last two decades. Give them more money and weapons, less accountability.
 
2013-08-25 11:28:09 AM

Deep Contact: Sounds like the cops are getting brainwashed by saying War on Drugs, War on this, War on that.
They all need therapy.


oh so true. speak with a psychiatrist or two, get their take on people of law enforcement. they are carefully selected heavily damaged individuals that are gladly involved with the worst situations and circumstances society has to offer. the exact things right thinking people star far away from.

styckx: An article about cops but a picture of military personnel?  Oh wait now I see the "police" logo.. Makes all the difference!


Good observation. I live in a semi-rural one horse toothless podunk backwater town and our police prowlers are painted up to highly resemble State Trooper vehicles. The undercover cars are teenage hot rod dream cars with hidden emergency lights that turn the inside of the vehicle into a 1970's disco light show. Scary bunch they are. I pity their kids and spouses - those few who are not already divorced due to alcoholism and abuse.
 
2013-08-25 11:28:50 AM
 
2013-08-25 11:29:21 AM

Hawnkee: vegas_greaser: Well, they obviously need taxpayer money now to get a fleet of tanks and dual .50 cal's mounted to all cruisers..

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Haven't we all wished we had at least one .50 or Gatling on our vehicle when going through traffic?


There are a couple of problems with that line of thinking.

1:  If you can have a gun, so can all the other people
2:  If you can destroy the car in front of you it's just going to become a big hunk of steel that's i your way.
 
2013-08-25 11:30:07 AM
Well, the Chinese swat teams get segways.  Gotta keep up with the joneses.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-25 11:30:36 AM
That "cop" is a whining, lying pussy who needs to be fired with extreme prejudice.

Don't dress like a thug.
Don't act like a thug.
Don't wear a farking mask.
Don't knock doors down, kill people's pets, and point weapons at their children while screaming contradictory "orders".

Put on a cop uniform and badge.
Interact with people like a human being.
Walk up and knock.
When you ask questions, listen to the answers.

In other words, be a real cop, like this guy.
 
2013-08-25 11:30:38 AM

AGremlin: It is a battlefield out there.  But we are strong.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 446x273]


You magnificent bastard!
 
2013-08-25 11:30:39 AM

Mister Peejay: Spend more time having to deal with the scum of society, many of whom actively hate you, than you spend with your own family, and your perceptions may change too.


Not an excuse. They take an oath to protect and serve, not be a bunch of goons with badges.

If they don't like it, solution is simple: don't be a cop.
 
2013-08-25 11:31:01 AM
Has there been a rash of violent, unprovoked attacks on cops lately? Squad cars being blown up by landmines? meter maids being sniped?

no?

I guess we are in nothing at all like a warzone.

/Handling domestic disputes, drug addicts, and drunks all day may be a shiatty job, but it's not combat duty.
 
2013-08-25 11:31:50 AM
When the police view citizens as hostile enemies, we citizens have a problem.  Is this the result of the 911 attacks? Did the terrorists make us beat ourselves?  This is not the same America that I grew up in.
 
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