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2013-08-25 12:16:32 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?


I've heard a lot of department don't like the new Caprice because it only comes with a floor shifter.  The police versions of the Taurus and the Charger have column shifters which allow for the center console to be repurposed for custom police duty with a laptop mount, radios, etc, and they can't do that with the Caprice.
 
2013-08-25 12:24:01 PM
I had a Crown Vic, an it was white with the blue top. It was fun driving up behind someone, because they'd inevitably slow down and let me pass.
 
GBB
2013-08-25 12:26:07 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: It's sad to see that the end of the Crown Vic. However it's even sadder that some cities are replacing them with SUVs. I work in a city of 40,000 and they are switching to SUVs. It ticks me off.


We switched to SUVs as well.  They're actually crossover utilities which basically mean they are huge cars.  Better MPG than the Vics.  Roomier for the deputy, easier to get arrestees in and out, can carry more equipment.  Everyone seems to like them better.
 
2013-08-25 12:29:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?

I've heard a lot of department don't like the new Caprice because it only comes with a floor shifter.  The police versions of the Taurus and the Charger have column shifters which allow for the center console to be repurposed for custom police duty with a laptop mount, radios, etc, and they can't do that with the Caprice.


Delaware State Police bought a bunch of the Chevys, and New Castle County bought some too. Municipalities seem to be going with the Charger. Up in PA, they seem to have mostly chosen the Fords.
 
2013-08-25 12:34:22 PM

Curious: LineNoise: Infobahn: They mention "marked and unmarked" Crown Vics in TFA.  I just assume an unmarked Crown Vic is a cop, period.  Period, period.  This has worked well for me.

In HS a friend of mine's parents had one, in white of all colors. You would just watch traffic back up around you as you drove down the highway in that thing and everyone slowly inched up on you to see if you were a cop, or just some old dude.

It also made for hours of endless fun of driving down the highway, getting right up on someone, and tailing them for a few miles watching them freak out thinking they were about to get pulled over.

i bought a 2004 non cop white crown vic last year. it truly is fun faking folks out.




Until you get shot.

/hope you don't get shot
 
2013-08-25 12:35:25 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Will miss the Vic, but as far as performance goes it doesn't hold a candle to the new Taurus.


I've got a '05 Grand Marquis. 120k miles, but I'm going to keep it running as long as I can. Powerful, comfortable, gets about 27 mpg highway. V8, RWD, governor kicks in at 95 mph.
What's so great about the new Taurus?
 
2013-08-25 12:44:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I've heard a lot of department don't like the new Caprice because it only comes with a floor shifter.


M_G linked this up thread and it say the cop caprice had a different shifter. and for the reasons your stated.

it also says they have bluetooth and pandora which is asinine.
 
2013-08-25 01:00:29 PM

Curious: TuteTibiImperes: I've heard a lot of department don't like the new Caprice because it only comes with a floor shifter.

M_G linked this up thread and it say the cop caprice had a different shifter. and for the reasons your stated.

it also says they have bluetooth and pandora which is asinine.


Ah, looks like they listened and changed it for the 2014 model year.
 
2013-08-25 01:11:44 PM

Curious: TuteTibiImperes: I've heard a lot of department don't like the new Caprice because it only comes with a floor shifter.

M_G linked this up thread and it say the cop caprice had a different shifter. and for the reasons your stated.

it also says they have bluetooth and pandora which is asinine.




Bluetooth is cool. Anything that could possibly keep their hands on the sterring wheel is a good thing. Seem that auto accidents are their number one risk of life and limb. We should do everything we can to ensure cops are safe and not plowing into others. Cops should shoot people dead not run them over.
 
2013-08-25 01:24:42 PM
StoPPeRmobile: Bluetooth is cool. Anything that could possibly keep their hands on the sterring wheel is a good thing. Seem that auto accidents are their number one risk of life and limb. We should do everything we can to ensure cops are safe and not plowing into others. Cops should shoot people dead not run them over.

I ordered my Charger Pursuit with Bluetooth, and it is truly a safety improvement. Once a phone is paired with it, it is almost impossible to receive or place a call any way but hands-free. It also allows you to place a call through voice recognition... I rarely need to look at the phone or even take it out of my pocket. It should be standard in all the police cars.
 
2013-08-25 01:25:08 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Bluetooth is cool. Anything that could possibly keep their hands on the sterring wheel is a good thing.


doesn't bluetooth require one of those in ear headphone things? and that you push something to actually talk on it? and that is be connected to a cell phone?

you see where i'm going here. cops don't need cell pones. not beat/cruiser cops, they have radios.
 
2013-08-25 01:29:16 PM

Curious: StoPPeRmobile: Bluetooth is cool. Anything that could possibly keep their hands on the sterring wheel is a good thing.

doesn't bluetooth require one of those in ear headphone things? and that you push something to actually talk on it? and that is be connected to a cell phone?

you see where i'm going here. cops don't need cell pones. not beat/cruiser cops, they have radios.


Bluetooth is just the communications protocol, like WiFi, when your car has bluetooth the car itself acts as the headset, so you don't need the ear piece.

I imagine the majority of official communication takes place over the radio, but there are likely work related reasons to use a cell phone during the shift as well.
 
2013-08-25 01:31:09 PM
They should switch to late 80s/early 90s Ford Tauruses like in Robocop.

www.ford-taurus.org
 
2013-08-25 01:37:19 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?


Already underway - there are at least four of them in the 100K-population-city nearest me.  It'll be a few years before they start showing up in auctions, though, which is coincidentally also how long it'll take for one of them to show up in my driveway.  Hooray for an LSx in a decent RWD sedan (about time GM had a competitor to the 300c).
 
2013-08-25 01:40:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Bluetooth is just the communications protocol, like WiFi, when your car has bluetooth the car itself acts as the headset, so you don't need the ear piece.

I imagine the majority of official communication takes place over the radio, but there are likely work related reasons to use a cell phone during the shift as well.


thanks for the info. as to work related calls yeah there may be some. say one a week. my question is are there personal calls and if so how many and for how long. i'm old and old school and feel there is almost no reason for anyone to ever make a personal call at work except at break or lunch. that doesn't seem to be the norm today.
 
2013-08-25 01:45:22 PM

simplicimus: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Will miss the Vic, but as far as performance goes it doesn't hold a candle to the new Taurus.

I've got a '05 Grand Marquis. 120k miles, but I'm going to keep it running as long as I can. Powerful, comfortable, gets about 27 mpg highway. V8, RWD, governor kicks in at 95 mph.
What's so great about the new Taurus?


It's a hell of a lot faster (and quicker), for one, and gets better than 16 or so MPG in the city.  The turbo 6 cylinder makes more power than the stock 2v 4.6.

BTW, it's 100% worth it to get one of the programmers for the Marquis; I used the SCT on my '04 (and built a 3" single exhaust).  The improved shift behavior alone is So. Much. Better. But the power bump from being able to advance the timing a tad is also nice, as is the ability to recalibrate the speedometer for different sized tires - and the removal of a speed limiter. :)
 
2013-08-25 01:50:05 PM

dannysauer: simplicimus: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Will miss the Vic, but as far as performance goes it doesn't hold a candle to the new Taurus.

I've got a '05 Grand Marquis. 120k miles, but I'm going to keep it running as long as I can. Powerful, comfortable, gets about 27 mpg highway. V8, RWD, governor kicks in at 95 mph.
What's so great about the new Taurus?

It's a hell of a lot faster (and quicker), for one, and gets better than 16 or so MPG in the city.  The turbo 6 cylinder makes more power than the stock 2v 4.6.

BTW, it's 100% worth it to get one of the programmers for the Marquis; I used the SCT on my '04 (and built a 3" single exhaust).  The improved shift behavior alone is So. Much. Better. But the power bump from being able to advance the timing a tad is also nice, as is the ability to recalibrate the speedometer for different sized tires - and the removal of a speed limiter. :)


The programmer sounds cool. I'll check into it. Who sells them?
 
2013-08-25 01:59:04 PM

EngineerBob: The big dog was the 440 Polara.  Neck snapping acceleration. Throaty sound. Good times!


People's necks were floppier in the 70's.  0-60 in 6.8 seconds and a low 15 second quarter mile would snap your neck back then.  Now that's what a Toyota Sienna SE minivan does (0-60 in 7.0, 15.2 quarter), though it doesn't sound anywhere near as cool as the Polara. ;)
 
2013-08-25 02:02:43 PM

simplicimus: The programmer sounds cool. I'll check into it. Who sells them?


http://www.sctflash.com/
I like SCT because they explicitly support the Grand Marquis -- unlike Hypertech, where you have to find the Crown Vic models.
 
2013-08-25 02:26:48 PM

GopherGuts: FriarReb98: Cop cars just don't look like cop cars anymore.  Especially cop Chargers.

My company 2012 Charger Pursuit kinda does, even though I'm not a cop:
[imageshack.us image 800x462]

/yes, of course I got the Hemi


Yeah that second side mirror will do it.

Cops on the Long Island Expressway drive all kinds of shiat. Last week I saw a full-sized Hummer with someone pulled over. But there must be some safety requirement at least in Suffolk that they have to have those mirrors, so I always look for that.
 
2013-08-25 02:32:57 PM
"Ford Crown Victoria has long been the favored car by police departments. When the car was discontinued, MPD bought a bunch and help onto them until they were needed. This is the last one is about to be put into service."
Where is spelling this guy am like?
 
2013-08-25 02:40:53 PM
The Toronto police bought 300 of the last Crown Vics, and keeps them in a parking garage for future use.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/22/toronto-cops-stock-up-on-cruise rs
 
2013-08-25 03:35:10 PM
The best thing about this thread??? Farkying all the cops in red with the "COP. EXPECT DERP" title....

/cops outing themselves...
//no more wondering....
 
2013-08-25 03:36:42 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: It's sad to see that the end of the Crown Vic. However it's even sadder that some cities are replacing them with SUVs. I work in a city of 40,000 and they are switching to SUVs. It ticks me off.


The police package Tahoe, if done properly, is actually saving money.  The cost for a Tahoe is a couple thousand dollars more than a Crown Vic, the gas mileage is roughly the same, but on the backend, when a Tahoe is sold, the department is getting sometimes 4-5 thousand dollars more in trade for them than they were for the Crown Vic.  My department is seeing a savings for 2-3 thousand over the life of a vehicle.
 
2013-08-25 03:53:01 PM

RINO: It's too bad the government killed Carbon Motors. That would have been sweet.


No.  No, a thousand times no.  Carbon Motors was never going to be a viable option.  The unit cost was close to $50,000 for a vehicle.  There is no way a police department is going to be able to afford those at a bulk rate.  Secondly, they tried to add features, like integrated computers and radios, that police departments reuse each time a new vehicle is issued.  Many large agencies don't even install radios in their vehicles, and have the officers use portables.  Lights, siren boxes, radars, etc are all typically reused by departments when old vehicles are replaced with new ones, that wasn't an option with Carbon Motors.

Carbon Motors was never a fiscally viable company.
 
2013-08-25 03:58:43 PM

Curious: TuteTibiImperes: Bluetooth is just the communications protocol, like WiFi, when your car has bluetooth the car itself acts as the headset, so you don't need the ear piece.

I imagine the majority of official communication takes place over the radio, but there are likely work related reasons to use a cell phone during the shift as well.

thanks for the info. as to work related calls yeah there may be some. say one a week. my question is are there personal calls and if so how many and for how long. i'm old and old school and feel there is almost no reason for anyone to ever make a personal call at work except at break or lunch. that doesn't seem to be the norm today.


I typicall make 6-8 work related telephone calls per 12 hour shift.  There are times i'll call information into dispatch, call a supervisor to relay information that I don't want over the air, calls to Child Protective Services, prosecutors, case follow-up phone calls, etc, etc, etc.  One a week?  Hardly.
 
2013-08-25 04:06:52 PM
There is a lot of fellatio in this thread.
 
2013-08-25 04:48:22 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: I typicall make 6-8 work related telephone calls per 12 hour shift.


and how many personal calls?

as to the work calls, are you a supervisor? and if not why are you calling prosecutors? actually why would a cruiser cop call them regularly anyway?
 
2013-08-25 04:55:40 PM

Curious: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I typicall make 6-8 work related telephone calls per 12 hour shift.

and how many personal calls?

as to the work calls, are you a supervisor? and if not why are you calling prosecutors? actually why would a cruiser cop call them regularly anyway?


Nosy, uneducated farker aren't you.
 
2013-08-25 05:06:19 PM
A tornado damaged my 92 Vic. After months of work and lots of parts she's back running just this weekend!

//probably not worth the effort but she still has miles left in her.
 
2013-08-25 05:14:33 PM

dannysauer: simplicimus: The programmer sounds cool. I'll check into it. Who sells them?

http://www.sctflash.com/
I like SCT because they explicitly support the Grand Marquis -- unlike Hypertech, where you have to find the Crown Vic models.


I checked into it. Only red flag for me is that it doesn't support E85 gasoline, which may be a problem.
 
2013-08-25 05:16:25 PM

simplicimus: dannysauer: simplicimus: The programmer sounds cool. I'll check into it. Who sells them?

http://www.sctflash.com/
I like SCT because they explicitly support the Grand Marquis -- unlike Hypertech, where you have to find the Crown Vic models.

I checked into it. Only red flag for me is that it doesn't support E85 gasoline, which may be a problem.


Where do you live where that would be a problem?  Even in the middle of corn country regular gas is readily available.  Remember, E85 means 85% ethanol, the typical gas at the gas station that's 10% ethanol would be called E10.
 
2013-08-25 05:22:05 PM

TuteTibiImperes: simplicimus: dannysauer: simplicimus: The programmer sounds cool. I'll check into it. Who sells them?

http://www.sctflash.com/
I like SCT because they explicitly support the Grand Marquis -- unlike Hypertech, where you have to find the Crown Vic models.

I checked into it. Only red flag for me is that it doesn't support E85 gasoline, which may be a problem.

Where do you live where that would be a problem?  Even in the middle of corn country regular gas is readily available.  Remember, E85 means 85% ethanol, the typical gas at the gas station that's 10% ethanol would be called E10.


Well, not where I live in Texas, but when I travel to La. I see it alot. Maybe a truck stop thing or I haven't been paying enough attention.
 
2013-08-25 06:00:17 PM
Big Bopper's coming to get you
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-08-25 06:13:37 PM
www.newsms.fm
 
2013-08-25 06:28:49 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?


Is that a refitted Malibu or is it off the new Impala?
 
2013-08-25 07:05:58 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?

Is that a refitted Malibu or is it off the new Impala?


New Caprice.
 
2013-08-25 07:17:03 PM
""We've got 114 Vics with over 100,000 miles on them," he said, checking the police fleet on his computer. "They definitely last." "

You call 100,000 miles lasting?

come talk to me when you get 250,000.  Then we would be talking import.
 
2013-08-25 07:19:56 PM

mrlewish: ""We've got 114 Vics with over 100,000 miles on them," he said, checking the police fleet on his computer. "They definitely last." "

You call 100,000 miles lasting?

come talk to me when you get 250,000.  Then we would be talking import.


Police departments tend to put pretty hard miles on their cars.  There's also a much larger idle time to mileage ratio in a cruiser vs a typical daily driver.

Once they're done with their police duty most of those Crown Vics get picked up by cabbies who put another couple hundred thousand hard miles on them.

The Crown Vic is hands down one of the most durable vehicles ever manufactured.
 
2013-08-25 07:20:40 PM

Preebs: Enormous-Schwanstucker: Preebs: Just invest in this and be done with it.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x454]

Crickey it's the Rozzers! the Crims don't stand a chance.

Admittedly it's better than doormat with some nails in it.


But that can be an effective passive device; as long as you can guarantee they step ON the mat. Maybe some brightly lit sign that says "Crims, step right here for free stuff" or something like that.
 
2013-08-25 07:24:47 PM

darth_shatner: Big Bopper's coming to get you
[i1.ytimg.com image 850x478]


I prefer the Pursuit Special, last of the V8 interceptors.
 
2013-08-25 07:25:47 PM
TuteTibiImperes: Police departments tend to put pretty hard miles on their cars.  There's also a much larger idle time to mileage ratio in a cruiser vs a typical daily driver.

Once they're done with their police duty most of those Crown Vics get picked up by cabbies who put another couple hundred thousand hard miles on them.

The Crown Vic is hands down one of the most durable vehicles ever manufactured.


Ours had a mere 150K on it when this photo was taken... nine days after we left Delaware.
Didn't miss a beat.
imageshack.us
 
2013-08-25 09:15:36 PM

Andyxc: RINO: It's too bad the government killed Carbon Motors. That would have been sweet.

The government didn't kill Carbon Motors.  The government refused to give it a loan after examining the company and determining the loan was unlikely to be repaid, which is a part of the criteria for giving out the Advanced Technology Vehicle loans.  I notice that no private lending institutions gave them the money either, so one could just as easily biatch about Bank of America killing Carbon Motors.  But if the business wasn't viable, then it was really Carbon Motors that killed Carbon Motors.


They did get private investments, I thought. That's why the investors are now suing them.
 
2013-08-25 09:21:23 PM

deevo: GopherGuts: FriarReb98: Cop cars just don't look like cop cars anymore.  Especially cop Chargers.

My company 2012 Charger Pursuit kinda does, even though I'm not a cop:
[imageshack.us image 800x462]

/yes, of course I got the Hemi

Yeah that second side mirror will do it.

Cops on the Long Island Expressway drive all kinds of shiat. Last week I saw a full-sized Hummer with someone pulled over. But there must be some safety requirement at least in Suffolk that they have to have those mirrors, so I always look for that.


...that's a spotlight, dude.
 
2013-08-25 09:27:08 PM

RINO: deevo: Yeah that second side mirror will do it.

Cops on the Long Island Expressway drive all kinds of shiat. Last week I saw a full-sized Hummer with someone pulled over. But there must be some safety requirement at least in Suffolk that they have to have those mirrors, so I always look for that.

...that's a spotlight, dude.


You win the thread. Congrats!
/it was $150 extra to make it a LED spotlight, and well worth it
 
2013-08-25 09:32:09 PM

xanadian: Pretty soon, they'll all be sold to a bunch of little old men wearing hats.


That's Buick you are thinking of. Slow driving 10 under the speed limit also.
 
2013-08-25 09:37:00 PM

mrlewish: You call 100,000 miles lasting?

come talk to me when you get 250,000.  Then we would be talking import.


This. I have never owned a vehicle of any manufacturer (American, Japanese, Korean, German) that didn't go well past 100,000.
 
2013-08-25 09:51:07 PM

GopherGuts: RINO: deevo: Yeah that second side mirror will do it.

Cops on the Long Island Expressway drive all kinds of shiat. Last week I saw a full-sized Hummer with someone pulled over. But there must be some safety requirement at least in Suffolk that they have to have those mirrors, so I always look for that.

...that's a spotlight, dude.

You win the thread. Congrats!
/it was $150 extra to make it a LED spotlight, and well worth it


Huzzah!
I'm hoping to pick up an '03 all-black Vic that used to be a detective's car in a few months. The current owner keeps it immaculate; like, I swear he polishes all the exposed metal in the engine compartment immaculate. It also has two alternators located in two different parts of the engine for some reason.
 
2013-08-25 10:34:45 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: [www.thetorquereport.com image 850x566] This thing was supposed to be available soon. Police only. Wonder when that's happening?

Is that a refitted Malibu or is it off the new Impala?

New Caprice.


Yup that's the badge they put on it, but is it a Malibu or Impala underneath? The interior trim looks a lot like the Malibu except of course for the console. The Impala is a longer version of the Malibu (like the Lacrosse is a longer version of the Regal), so it would also make sense to base it off that.
 
2013-08-25 10:58:41 PM

Curious: HideAndGoFarkYourself: I typicall make 6-8 work related telephone calls per 12 hour shift.

and how many personal calls?

as to the work calls, are you a supervisor? and if not why are you calling prosecutors? actually why would a cruiser cop call them regularly anyway?


Personal calls, typically zero, unless there's a pressing need, just like every other person with a job in the world.

You do know that Supervisors aren't the only ones who speak with prosecutor's for search warrants and what not, right?  In my last shift I called the prosecutor for two things, a search warrant for blood after a serious bodily injury accident, and a search warrant on a meth lab.  Why would a supervisor do those things?
 
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