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(Some Guy)   We might have a divisive issue in the world of FARK cat people. De-claw - Animal abuse or "my furniture is too nice"   (humanesociety.org) divider line 54
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2013-08-24 06:55:59 PM  
If it's not animal abuse to spay and neuter your animals, why would it be animal abuse to de-claw them?
 
2013-08-24 06:59:40 PM  

Honest Bender: If it's not animal abuse to spay and neuter your animals, why would it be animal abuse to de-claw them?


Would you cut your fingers off at the first joint to avoid hangnails?
 
2013-08-24 06:59:52 PM  
Tubal ligations and vasectomies are not torture. Chopping off somebody's fingertips is. That's what you're doing with you declaw a cat.
 
2013-08-24 07:01:31 PM  

Honest Bender: If it's not animal abuse to spay and neuter your animals, why would it be animal abuse to de-claw them?


Because it's the equivalent of cutting off a person's fingers at the first joint, and because there are better, more humane solutions than declawing a cat.

Soft Paws.
 
2013-08-24 07:03:45 PM  
We had this conversation when merging the cats with the chinchillas as we combined our households. We ultimately decided to have the front paws of both cats declawed---none of the vets we knew would perform rear declawing anyway and we didn't want them to be totally defenseless if they got outside. And I think with the chinchillas it was a good idea. I wouldn't have done it otherwise.
 
2013-08-24 07:04:18 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Honest Bender: If it's not animal abuse to spay and neuter your animals, why would it be animal abuse to de-claw them?

Because it's the equivalent of cutting off a person's fingers at the first joint, and because there are better, more humane solutions than declawing a cat.

Soft Paws.


If there were a safe way to anaesthetize my cats monthly, I'd try it.
 
2013-08-24 07:09:05 PM  
Carpet samples and catnip keep my cats from shredding anything I don't want them to.
 
2013-08-24 07:09:50 PM  
I have a $3000 Natuzzi love seat that a Chartreux I inherited took to pieces.  Thankfully the little bastard moved on.  I'll get it reupholstered one of these days.

/the rest of my cats are civilized
//and go outside a few hours every AM to get it out of their system
 
2013-08-24 07:10:32 PM  
We declawed one cat back when we got him (this would have been the 80's).  We tried Soft Paws, but he had half of them off by the first night.  If we weren't in a furnished apartment, I doubt we would have done it.
We have five cats now, all happily sporting all their claws.  A big cat tower takes care of the scratching needs.
 
2013-08-24 07:10:55 PM  
Our cat tree has several lovely scratching posts that seem to inhibit our kitty's desire to claw up our furniture.
No need for declawing or Soft Paws.
 
2013-08-24 07:13:01 PM  

dramatools: Tubal ligations and vasectomies are not torture. Chopping off somebody's fingertips is.


I don't buy the way people use this logic---it cuts both ways. If you're going to make the argument that we should medically treat cats like humans ethically, tubal ligations and vasectomies on any unwilling recipients (human or cat) would indeed be and are classified as torture. Human beings sterilized against their will can and do sue for damages.  Like a human, no cat willingly goes through sterilization (or any invasive procedure) without anesthetic. fark cats won't even swallow a pill and we make them do that too. I'm not unsympathetic to the goal, but this logic will not get you where you want to go without getting rid of sterilization as well.
 
2013-08-24 07:13:12 PM  

Via Infinito: Our cat tree has several lovely scratching posts that seem to inhibit our kitty's desire to claw up our furniture.
No need for declawing or Soft Paws.


^ This.  Give them their very own piece of furniture to tear to pieces.  It will make them very happy.
 
2013-08-24 07:13:55 PM  
animal abuse.
 
2013-08-24 07:17:13 PM  
Animal abuse. Also, letting them roam free is abuse.

/off to pop popcorn for this thread
 
2013-08-24 07:18:31 PM  
Does it cause the cat pain?
 
2013-08-24 07:23:03 PM  
Took ours to a non-English speaking vet and they mistakenly de-pawed them
 
2013-08-24 07:27:00 PM  
Animal abuse.
 
2013-08-24 07:52:30 PM  
I prefer Kitten Mittens over de-clawing.
cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-08-24 07:52:49 PM  
Abuse, plain and simple.  If you can't make proper accommodations, don't get a cat.
 
2013-08-24 07:53:03 PM  
If you absolutely must have a declawed cat, check shelters and rescues for a cat who is already declawed. I see them frequently up for adoption. I've no idea why someone would declaw a cat only to dump it or let it out to run away, but apparently people do.
 
2013-08-24 07:53:44 PM  
If your furniture is that special to you, you don't need a cat in the first place.
 
2013-08-24 08:13:45 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-24 08:18:46 PM  
I don't give a crap what you do with your cats. If I ever get a cat that is declawed I will have him reclawed so he walks around like Wolverine.
 
2013-08-24 08:37:18 PM  
If you declaw your cat, you've made an enemy of these people:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-24 09:12:01 PM  
Another vote for "you have to be farking psychopathic to declaw a cat."

Absolutely not. Never.  Not even a contest.
 
2013-08-24 09:16:18 PM  
Abuse.

But, for dogs, go ahead and dock the tail and crop the ears.
 
2013-08-24 09:20:24 PM  
You don't want a cat you want a dog that refuses to listen to you.
 
2013-08-24 09:24:42 PM  
Personally I love the adrenaline rush of wondering if those needle claws will sink themselves into my ankle every time I need to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night too much to declaw my cat. It keeps life interesting.
 
2013-08-24 09:28:20 PM  
I live in the country, my cats serve a purpose aside from entertaining me and reducing stress.

Never had a problem with them plucking at the furniture though.

Try wrapping a tile or 12x12 piece of plywood with jute or glue a 12x12 piece of carpet to it.....
 
2013-08-24 09:29:45 PM  

doyner: Abuse, plain and simple.  If you can't make proper accommodations, don't get a cat.


This.
 
2013-08-24 09:34:34 PM  
 
2013-08-24 09:42:00 PM  

johnnieconnie: Also, letting them roam free is abuse


Fortunately my cats don't roam.  They protect their four acre nature preserve like the vicious creatures they are.  Even my neighbor's golden retriever is not safe from them.  Smaller dogs than that roam the neighborhood, but they do not crap in my yard.  They don't come near my yard.  And I like it that way.

/raccoons or foxes either
//i have some big damn cats
 
2013-08-24 09:47:28 PM  

Honest Bender: If it's not animal abuse to spay and neuter your animals, why would it be animal abuse to de-claw them?


Let me cut your fingers off and then you can ask that question again.

www.peta2.com

If you don't have 5 minutes or less a week to trim their nails, you shouldn't be breathinganyway.
 
2013-08-24 09:48:42 PM  
Abuse, right up there with circumcision of females.
 
2013-08-24 09:55:05 PM  

bojon: Abuse, right up there with circumcision of females.


Now THAT'S what I call an analogy.
 
2013-08-24 09:55:57 PM  

quickdraw: DaCricket: doyner: Abuse, plain and simple.  If you can't make proper accommodations, don't get a cat.
This.
yep
What is declawing?Too often, people think that declawing is a simple surgery that removes a cat's nails-the equivalent of having your fingernails trimmed. Sadly, this is far from the truth.
Declawing traditionally involves the amputation of the last bone of each toe. If performed on a human being, it would be like cutting off each finger at the last knuckle.


img.fark.net
 
2013-08-24 09:56:50 PM  

doyner: Abuse, plain and simple.  If you can't make proper accommodations, don't get a cat.


Yup.
 
2013-08-24 10:06:01 PM  
This thread smells like toxoplasmosis.
 
2013-08-24 10:25:38 PM  
I've owned 10 cats, and I've only had to declaw one of them.  And that was after two years of trying everything else under the sun to get him to stop injuring me, my wife, the vet, and other people.  We didn't declaw him to protect furniture, we declawed him to protect people.  It got to the point that we either de-clawed him or put him to sleep.  Farker put me in the hospital once.

I still think it's abuse, but if it comes down to killing the cat or declawing him, declawing him is a better option.  Our vet, who like us is normally against declawing, even got to the point where she said "for some cats, you just have to."  We tried to get him to live outside, but since he had grown up an indoor cat that was absolute torture for him.  He was terrified every second he was out of the house.

Soft Paws, contrary to what you may have heard, do not work for all cats.  A committed feline can pop them off without much trouble.

In general I'm still opposed to it.  It should only ever be done if absolutely nothing else works and you are dealing with injuries to humans, not furniture.
 
2013-08-24 10:32:40 PM  

Lsherm: I've owned 10 cats, and I've only had to declaw one of them.  And that was after two years of trying everything else under the sun to get him to stop injuring me, my wife, the vet, and other people.  We didn't declaw him to protect furniture, we declawed him to protect people.  It got to the point that we either de-clawed him or put him to sleep.  Farker put me in the hospital once.

I still think it's abuse, but if it comes down to killing the cat or declawing him, declawing him is a better option.  Our vet, who like us is normally against declawing, even got to the point where she said "for some cats, you just have to."  We tried to get him to live outside, but since he had grown up an indoor cat that was absolute torture for him.  He was terrified every second he was out of the house.

Soft Paws, contrary to what you may have heard, do not work for all cats.  A committed feline can pop them off without much trouble.

In general I'm still opposed to it.  It should only ever be done if absolutely nothing else works and you are dealing with injuries to humans, not furniture.


It sounds like you did the very best you could for that cat. Many many people would just have dumped him somewhere.
 
2013-08-24 11:41:23 PM  

dramatools: Tubal ligations and vasectomies are not torture. Chopping off somebody's fingertips is. That's what you're doing with you declaw a cat.


To be perfectly fair, a standard spay/neuter is considerably more invasivethan a tubal ligation or vasectomy: more akin to a hysterectomy-oophorectomy or castration, respectively. It is possible to get the less-invasive procedures you name for dogs and cats, but they're not standard practice.

I mention this because it has some effect on the dialogue, though I still tend to come down on the side that declawing (and debarking, for dogs) should be avoided.
 
2013-08-25 12:02:02 AM  

namegoeshere: If you absolutely must have a declawed cat, check shelters and rescues for a cat who is already declawed. I see them frequently up for adoption. I've no idea why someone would declaw a cat only to dump it or let it out to run away, but apparently people do.


Excellent suggestion!
 
2013-08-25 01:16:15 AM  
Where does descenting pet skunks fit into this equation?

And can I get a dequilled porcupine for a pet?
 
2013-08-25 02:38:07 AM  
I'll vote that it's abuse as well.  When I got a cat pretty much because I didn't want to see a dead kitten in the parking lot where I worked I looked into it and then found out what it involved.

I bought a few scratching posts instead and since then the cat has destroyed a few of them

The whole idea is stupid and cruel.  If your house were burning down, what would you save?  Your cat or your couch?

As it turns out, the cat has done remarkably little damage to my furniture over the years.  In fact, only my office chair has suffered a little with a few visible scratches to its faux leather upholstery and she can scratch the shiat out of it for all I care.

Do not mutilate your cat.
 
2013-08-25 03:20:10 AM  

quickdraw: Lsherm: I've owned 10 cats, and I've only had to declaw one of them.  And that was after two years of trying everything else under the sun to get him to stop injuring me, my wife, the vet, and other people.  We didn't declaw him to protect furniture, we declawed him to protect people.  It got to the point that we either de-clawed him or put him to sleep.  Farker put me in the hospital once.

I still think it's abuse, but if it comes down to killing the cat or declawing him, declawing him is a better option.  Our vet, who like us is normally against declawing, even got to the point where she said "for some cats, you just have to."  We tried to get him to live outside, but since he had grown up an indoor cat that was absolute torture for him.  He was terrified every second he was out of the house.

Soft Paws, contrary to what you may have heard, do not work for all cats.  A committed feline can pop them off without much trouble.

In general I'm still opposed to it.  It should only ever be done if absolutely nothing else works and you are dealing with injuries to humans, not furniture.

It sounds like you did the very best you could for that cat. Many many people would just have dumped him somewhere.


Thank you for that, some idiot absolutists can't understand how it could ever be necessary.

For what it's worth, we're four years on since the declawing and the cat is still a terror, but he's otherwise healthy.  We drugged him for a week after he was declawed, he still scratches, and he still attacks.  However, he can't cause enough damage for 24 stitches anymore.

His sister from the same litter, who we got at the same time and raised with him, still has her claws and doesn't have the same attitude.  She's a lovable cat.  He's not.  He still tortures her every chance he gets even though she still has her claws.

/they're both fixed.
 
2013-08-25 04:10:53 AM  
We had one declawed cat, that we got after madhonibs' mother died. She made up for the lack of claws with her teeth. That said, I still miss old Rainbow- she was a good girl. And that said- anyone who declaws cats deserves to have the cat poop on the humans beds, twice a day.
Reading what Lsherm has written- I would give him a pass .
 
2013-08-25 05:23:05 AM  
If you read that article and still don't think that there is never a good reason to declaw cats, you are clearly willfully ignorant and there is something really wrong with you.
 
2013-08-25 05:23:46 AM  
I say, butcher those cats, skin them! Use their fur to keep hundreds warm!
 
2013-08-25 08:49:25 AM  
I vote no except in extreme cases.

I have one cat who was declawed that I picked up at the pound and as far as I can tell, there is no earthly reason as to why he needed it. He's the purrfect lap cat and only wants to cuddle, and he's happy to (The sight of this is so depressing) paw at TC's scratcher. I'm sure he misses the satisfaction of destroying cardboard...

Otherwise, there is no 'clawing' tendencies on furniture, tough he does knead and slaps TC in the face. And he's also left scars on me from his back legs. His back claws are like pointy hooks....

Lsherm has my pass. The vets have advised my sister and BIL to declaw his cat for that very reason (I have scars from that bastard).
 
2013-08-25 10:13:52 AM  
My window screens, mattress and misc. wooden fixtures have suffered greatly at the claws of my black and white monster. The first day the front door open after I got the lil' bastard, he and the screen door came tumbling down.

The older, less derpy one claws at the area carpet, which is fine. She has woken us up for 10 years with her mid-night pick-pick-pick at the bed. I would never consider declawing either of them.

Lsherm, however, did it for the right reasons.
 
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