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(NYPost)   Subby is absolutely sure playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto IV" had nothing whatsoever to do with this 8-year-old boy shooting an elderly woman to death   (nypost.com) divider line 30
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2013-08-24 01:39:17 PM  
10 votes:
While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.
2013-08-24 05:15:36 PM  
5 votes:
You know, no matter how much the kid played GTA, it strikes me that it becomes much harder for him to shoot someone  if he can't get to a farking gun.
2013-08-24 05:38:14 PM  
2 votes:

red5ish: badhatharry: This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that  if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you [do not] let him have access to your handgun.

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2013-08-24 05:34:54 PM  
2 votes:

badhatharry: This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you should keep a close eye on them.

 don't let him have access to your handgun.
2013-08-24 05:17:21 PM  
2 votes:

vpb: Well obviously.  La Pierre already told us that duns don't kill people, video games kill people.


Sure. Because of course people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.
2013-08-24 05:11:24 PM  
2 votes:
I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.
2013-08-24 04:05:00 PM  
2 votes:

NewportBarGuy: Nabb1: I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.

They have warning labels on them thanks to Tipper and Hillary. At what point is it the caregiver's responsibility, or whomever purchased the game/allowed it to be played?

I know I bought all that violent crap when I was a kid and hid it from my parents. You just find ways. Buy it from a kid at school, neighbor in high school etc... There's a whole marketplace for kids to buy crap like drugs, booze, and violent video games.

The only way you'll stop that from happening is to outright ban them, and you know the constitutional ramifications that would have.

Also, if there are older kids in the household, you've got even easier access.

Never gonna stop it. Just hope the parents or whomever catch some of it, but that's not often the case.


I think it's totally the parent/caregiver's responsibility. But, these parents left their child in the "care" of a nanogenarian and with access to a firearm, so there's a long list of parental failure here.
2013-08-24 03:03:34 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: It takes a lot more than a video game to make someone homocidal. It takes an actual predisposition to violence and/or homocidal tendancies.


I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.
2013-08-24 02:45:00 PM  
2 votes:
I think that kid was farked up long before he got a copy of GTA4.
2013-08-24 01:27:14 PM  
2 votes:
Well, that settles it then.. Thanks Subby.

/Mods, you can go ahead and close this thread now.
//LP
Xai
2013-08-25 05:40:47 AM  
1 votes:
so what this article is saying, is that it is completely safe for children to have their own firearms, as long as they never ever play violent videogames.
2013-08-24 09:39:48 PM  
1 votes:

Vector R: badhatharry: I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.

That. I think the kid was already farked in the head, and video games aren't responsible for people's violent actions, but it is completely inappropriate for an eight-year-old to be playing GTA or watching R-rated movies. 14 or 15, sure, okay, especially if the parents know their kids are mature enough, but there's no excuse for a preteen or child to be viewing violent material.


Neither do I, which is why I've been petitioning my local city council to have the Bible and other related material (coloring books, etc) rated NC-17

We have only this one story, which I'm sure is completely factual and has all context.  But given the fact that it's pretty hard for even the most seasoned video gamer to simultaneously unlock the cleaned the mean streets achievement and cap one in the back of granny's head, I'm thinking of the possibility that this kid had a temper tantrum when Granny told him to shut the damn game off.  Kids have temper tantrums after video game marathons all the time.  Hell my own son has some legendary ones.  But he's never capped anybody, probably because he hasn't had a loaded gun within his reach.
2013-08-24 08:54:02 PM  
1 votes:
What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy
2013-08-24 06:21:27 PM  
1 votes:
If he was playing the game a few minutes before shooting her, it really may have played a role in this.

I think people are forgetting how impressionable 8 year olds are to fiction.
2013-08-24 05:57:12 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not saying violent video games make kids into killers, but giving them to eight-year-olds is a symptom of pretty poor parenting.
2013-08-24 05:49:55 PM  
1 votes:

DerpHerder: kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.

Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.


Leisure Suit Larry already did that ages ago. Sort of.

i.imgur.com

If you walk out into that street you'll be run over and killed.

files.g4tv.com

If you have unprotected sex with that hooker you'll catch an STD and melt on the spot.

Those Sierra adventures were pure sadistic.
2013-08-24 05:35:15 PM  
1 votes:
Man, that kid just totally skipped the torturing/killing small animals phase of the serial killer training program.
2013-08-24 05:29:07 PM  
1 votes:
Look folks - home defense be damned, unsecured guns and kids are a farking accident waiting to happen. This kid's parents have completely failed him.

Somebody needs to go to jail.
2013-08-24 05:28:24 PM  
1 votes:

kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.


Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.
2013-08-24 05:25:52 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


NutWrench: I think that kid was farked up long before he got a copy of GTA4.


All of the above.  Where were this kid's parents and why was he allowed to play GTA4 at that age?  Why weren't the guns and ammo in the house kept locked up?  Incidents like this don't typically happen out of the blue.  Did the kid have previous behavioral problems and why were steps not taken to deal with them, including seeking professional help?  Did the kid have a history of picking up and handling the guns that were kept in the home?  Etc., etc.
2013-08-24 05:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
Grand Theft Auto always gets cited as a violent game, but seriously, there are so many MUCH more violent games out there that GTA IV doesn't even make the top 10 list.
2013-08-24 05:21:51 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.


Cuz practicing killing people for hours and days on end certainly has no effect on behavior.
2013-08-24 05:17:42 PM  
1 votes:

kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.


You do get cash, however.
2013-08-24 05:17:19 PM  
1 votes:
GTA IV doesn't reward players for killing people randomly. If you do that, your Wanted Level increases and the police will hunt you down. Even in missions where you have to assassinate someone, you still have to be careful of the police. They're simply trying to blame a video game for this act and the writer most likely hasn't even played it.

In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.

Speaking of grannies, here's the Badass Granny for you.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sel29t3rr4E
2013-08-24 05:14:37 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: It takes a lot more than a video game to make someone homocidal. It takes an actual predisposition to violence and/or homocidal tendancies.


You're think "adult". This was a child of 8 who is not legally responsible for a reason.
2013-08-24 05:12:37 PM  
1 votes:

rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.


I think you've spent a bit too much time playing GTA yourself, killer.
2013-08-24 05:12:06 PM  
1 votes:
People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.
2013-08-24 02:57:59 PM  
1 votes:
I think Pong led to Jonestown.
2013-08-24 02:43:52 PM  
1 votes:
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Stupid American asshole.  Why would you play the murder game?  They will make you want to kill someone!
2013-08-24 01:45:23 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


Not to mention an 90-year-old caregiver. There are all sorts of things wrong here.
 
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