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(NYPost)   Subby is absolutely sure playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto IV" had nothing whatsoever to do with this 8-year-old boy shooting an elderly woman to death   (nypost.com) divider line 153
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2013-08-24 01:27:14 PM
Well, that settles it then.. Thanks Subby.

/Mods, you can go ahead and close this thread now.
//LP
 
2013-08-24 01:31:32 PM
Video games or no, that kid will kill again.
 
2013-08-24 01:39:17 PM
While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.
 
2013-08-24 01:45:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


Not to mention an 90-year-old caregiver. There are all sorts of things wrong here.
 
2013-08-24 02:43:40 PM
That boy deserves a spanking.
 
2013-08-24 02:43:52 PM
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Stupid American asshole.  Why would you play the murder game?  They will make you want to kill someone!
 
2013-08-24 02:45:00 PM
I think that kid was farked up long before he got a copy of GTA4.
 
2013-08-24 02:51:43 PM
It takes a lot more than a video game to make someone homocidal. It takes an actual predisposition to violence and/or homocidal tendancies.
 
2013-08-24 02:57:59 PM
I think Pong led to Jonestown.
 
2013-08-24 03:03:34 PM

Ambivalence: It takes a lot more than a video game to make someone homocidal. It takes an actual predisposition to violence and/or homocidal tendancies.


I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.
 
2013-08-24 03:08:19 PM

Nabb1: I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.


They have warning labels on them thanks to Tipper and Hillary. At what point is it the caregiver's responsibility, or whomever purchased the game/allowed it to be played?

I know I bought all that violent crap when I was a kid and hid it from my parents. You just find ways. Buy it from a kid at school, neighbor in high school etc... There's a whole marketplace for kids to buy crap like drugs, booze, and violent video games.

The only way you'll stop that from happening is to outright ban them, and you know the constitutional ramifications that would have.

Also, if there are older kids in the household, you've got even easier access.

Never gonna stop it. Just hope the parents or whomever catch some of it, but that's not often the case.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-24 03:44:13 PM
Well obviously.  La Pierre already told us that duns don't kill people, video games kill people.
 
2013-08-24 04:05:00 PM

NewportBarGuy: Nabb1: I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.

They have warning labels on them thanks to Tipper and Hillary. At what point is it the caregiver's responsibility, or whomever purchased the game/allowed it to be played?

I know I bought all that violent crap when I was a kid and hid it from my parents. You just find ways. Buy it from a kid at school, neighbor in high school etc... There's a whole marketplace for kids to buy crap like drugs, booze, and violent video games.

The only way you'll stop that from happening is to outright ban them, and you know the constitutional ramifications that would have.

Also, if there are older kids in the household, you've got even easier access.

Never gonna stop it. Just hope the parents or whomever catch some of it, but that's not often the case.


I think it's totally the parent/caregiver's responsibility. But, these parents left their child in the "care" of a nanogenarian and with access to a firearm, so there's a long list of parental failure here.
 
2013-08-24 04:10:04 PM
If video games influenced kids actions people that grew up in the 80's playing pac man would have spent the 90's dancing around in darkened rooms with neon colored lights munching on magic pills and listening to techno music.....ohhhhhh crap.
 
2013-08-24 04:59:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


Yep.
 
2013-08-24 05:08:07 PM
FTFA: "Those who have not reached the age of 10 years are exempt from criminal responsibility"

They should seriously promote this in their tourism literature.
 
2013-08-24 05:08:13 PM
Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.
 
2013-08-24 05:08:53 PM
I'm absolutely positive it didn't.

He would have just asked his parents if they could go bowling every five minutes.
 
2013-08-24 05:09:42 PM
TFA is leaving something out, 'caregiver', methinks the kid might already have some mental issues.  But whatev, blame the game, it's easier.
 
2013-08-24 05:10:35 PM
Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.
 
2013-08-24 05:11:24 PM
After watching a game with violent themes, and then it says he was playing it. Which one was it? Were they taking turns, and she didn't die fast enough to pass the controller? I know that always pissed me off when my friends and I played.

Seriously, there's no reason (even deep down south) that this kid should have had access to a gun. He shouldn't have been playing a game that I got carded to buy in my mid 20s. This has parents of the year written all over it, not the devil makes video game players evil and murderers.
 
2013-08-24 05:11:24 PM
I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.
 
2013-08-24 05:12:06 PM
People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.
 
2013-08-24 05:12:37 PM

rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.


I think you've spent a bit too much time playing GTA yourself, killer.
 
2013-08-24 05:12:48 PM
He probably got pissed off because Roman kept calling him to go bowling
 
2013-08-24 05:14:37 PM

Ambivalence: It takes a lot more than a video game to make someone homocidal. It takes an actual predisposition to violence and/or homocidal tendancies.


You're think "adult". This was a child of 8 who is not legally responsible for a reason.
 
2013-08-24 05:14:49 PM
Just be glad he didn't get into Saints Row.

Then he would have dressed as a furry and run around a mall on an ATV blasting dubstep and beating people with a double sided dildo.
 
2013-08-24 05:15:36 PM
You know, no matter how much the kid played GTA, it strikes me that it becomes much harder for him to shoot someone  if he can't get to a farking gun.
 
2013-08-24 05:16:25 PM
Well, they were in a trailer in Slaughter, LA.
 
2013-08-24 05:17:19 PM
GTA IV doesn't reward players for killing people randomly. If you do that, your Wanted Level increases and the police will hunt you down. Even in missions where you have to assassinate someone, you still have to be careful of the police. They're simply trying to blame a video game for this act and the writer most likely hasn't even played it.

In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.

Speaking of grannies, here's the Badass Granny for you.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sel29t3rr4E
 
2013-08-24 05:17:21 PM

vpb: Well obviously.  La Pierre already told us that duns don't kill people, video games kill people.


Sure. Because of course people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.
 
2013-08-24 05:17:42 PM

kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.


You do get cash, however.
 
2013-08-24 05:19:31 PM

bojon: Well, they were in a trailer in Slaughter, LA.


Which is a much bigger issue. Frankly, I think it's outrageous that authorities can look the other way with such a dangerous influence around our children. Violence is going to be inevitable, when kids are desensitized from being constantly exposed to town names like "Slaughter".
 
2013-08-24 05:21:03 PM
You do get an achievement for surviving with a 5 star wanted level for 5 minutes. Screw GTA score, gamer score and trophy level is way more important.
 
2013-08-24 05:21:51 PM

fusillade762: people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.


Cuz practicing killing people for hours and days on end certainly has no effect on behavior.
 
2013-08-24 05:23:17 PM

Theaetetus: kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.

You do get cash, however.


It's been about 2 years since I played, but I thought they eliminated that for GTA IV.

Besides, $30 for killing a hooker is hardly worth running all over town to shake the cops.
 
2013-08-24 05:24:18 PM
Grand Theft Auto always gets cited as a violent game, but seriously, there are so many MUCH more violent games out there that GTA IV doesn't even make the top 10 list.
 
2013-08-24 05:25:52 PM

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


NutWrench: I think that kid was farked up long before he got a copy of GTA4.


All of the above.  Where were this kid's parents and why was he allowed to play GTA4 at that age?  Why weren't the guns and ammo in the house kept locked up?  Incidents like this don't typically happen out of the blue.  Did the kid have previous behavioral problems and why were steps not taken to deal with them, including seeking professional help?  Did the kid have a history of picking up and handling the guns that were kept in the home?  Etc., etc.
 
2013-08-24 05:26:28 PM

kwame: It's been about 2 years since I played, but I thought they eliminated that for GTA IV.


They drop cash, but not enough to make it worth the wanted level you incur from indiscriminate killing.

Any time I see a story about GTA where the reporter talks about "points" I know they're full of shiat. Granted, kids have absolutely no business playing that game, but good luck convincing parents that not every video game is for children. For some reason there's a huge chunk of the population that can't get it through their heads that video games are like movies- some are appropriate for children, some aren't.
 
2013-08-24 05:26:57 PM

rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.


Go on . . .
 
2013-08-24 05:27:17 PM
This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you should keep a close eye on them.
 
2013-08-24 05:28:04 PM
Crotchy?
 
2013-08-24 05:28:13 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.


Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story
 
2013-08-24 05:28:24 PM

kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.


Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.
 
2013-08-24 05:29:07 PM
Look folks - home defense be damned, unsecured guns and kids are a farking accident waiting to happen. This kid's parents have completely failed him.

Somebody needs to go to jail.
 
2013-08-24 05:31:03 PM

geekbikerskum: TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.

NutWrench: I think that kid was farked up long before he got a copy of GTA4.

All of the above.  Where were this kid's parents and why was he allowed to play GTA4 at that age?  Why weren't the guns and ammo in the house kept locked up?  Incidents like this don't typically happen out of the blue.  Did the kid have previous behavioral problems and why were steps not taken to deal with them, including seeking professional help?  Did the kid have a history of picking up and handling the guns that were kept in the home?  Etc., etc.


It took place at a trailer park you do the math.
 
2013-08-24 05:33:12 PM
At least it wasn't Ethnic Cleansing.
 
2013-08-24 05:33:49 PM

DerpHerder: kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.

Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.


I think the most common experience people have with GTA is a brief period of ultra-violence and then they get bored and realize the inconvenience of retracing your steps after a police chase, so they go on and play the storyline.

The non-plot related activity I spent more time on in that game was jumping motorcycles over things.
 
2013-08-24 05:34:54 PM

badhatharry: This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you should keep a close eye on them.

 don't let him have access to your handgun.
 
2013-08-24 05:35:15 PM
Man, that kid just totally skipped the torturing/killing small animals phase of the serial killer training program.
 
2013-08-24 05:37:07 PM
That's nothing, I used to know these two kids in Highland, TX that decided to play with lightning after watching a documentary about Ben Franklin.
 
2013-08-24 05:37:28 PM

jaytkay: fusillade762: people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.

Cuz practicing killing people for hours and days on end certainly has no effect on behavior.


Studies haven't shown that it does.
 
2013-08-24 05:38:14 PM

red5ish: badhatharry: This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that  if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you [do not] let him have access to your handgun.

----------------
That's better.

 
2013-08-24 05:39:11 PM
Yes. I know when I gave GTA IV to MY 8 year old, a handgun magically appeared in his hands and he started firing off rounds uncontrollably. It's a law of the universe.
 
2013-08-24 05:40:31 PM
But was she hot?
 
2013-08-24 05:42:43 PM

eKonk: DarkSoulNoHope: Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.

Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story


Thanks. :)

/I am serious, and stop calling me Shirley.
 
2013-08-24 05:42:44 PM

fusillade762: Studies haven't shown that it does.


Some anonymous guy on the Internet says, "Studies haven't shown that it does."

Case closed!
 
2013-08-24 05:42:55 PM
Why is everyone angry over this kid exercising his Second Amendment rights*?

* as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP
 
2013-08-24 05:43:14 PM

kwame: DerpHerder: kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.

Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.

I think the most common experience people have with GTA is a brief period of ultra-violence and then they get bored and realize the inconvenience of retracing your steps after a police chase, so they go on and play the storyline.

The non-plot related activity I spent more time on in that game was jumping motorcycles over things.


I liked to get the FBI on me, take one of their super fast SUV and go up and down one of the main drag straight aways trying to not tail spin as they try to take me out.
 
2013-08-24 05:43:49 PM
Of course video games have a real and lasting effect on those who play them. This is why my long-dormant magical powers have surfaced after years and years of JRPGs, and I have a harem of girls from playing eroges.
 
2013-08-24 05:45:31 PM
I'm pretty certain SimCity 4 drove people to kill.
 
2013-08-24 05:45:58 PM
Huh, weird.  My video-game playing 9 year old can be trusted around firearms.  Actually, he needs to cut the grass, then I'll probably bring him to the range.  Unless he wants to play some video games, that is.
 
2013-08-24 05:47:59 PM
NewportBarGuy
I think Pong led to Jonestown.

This.
 
2013-08-24 05:48:01 PM

kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.


It awards statistical points, so you can look up how many people you killed, and it awards money for missions where you kill people. But you are correct to call this "point system" dubious.
 
2013-08-24 05:48:01 PM

cubic_spleen: Why is everyone angry over this kid exercising his Second Amendment rights*?

* as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP


....and the troll and gun control weenies are out in full force today.
 
2013-08-24 05:48:07 PM

red5ish: badhatharry: This is not that complicated. Obviously, video games don't cause kids to murder. However, it should be very clear by now that if you have a mentally unstable kid plays these games a lot, you should keep a close eye on them. don't let him have access to your handgun.


Good idea. Probably wouldn't hurt to go ahead hide the knives, matches, and gasoline while your at it.
 
2013-08-24 05:49:55 PM

DerpHerder: kwame: People.

We're missing the important thing here. GTA IV doesn't award points for anything, much less killing people.

Yes you choose to do as much evil as you wish in the game. Such as employing the services of a street walker, paying her for services rendered and murdering her to get your money back. Maybe one day the game will just be a real to life simulation and when you get in a fender bend you'll have to stop and exchange insurance information and a hooker will give you some disease. I don't imagine many people would play that.


Leisure Suit Larry already did that ages ago. Sort of.

i.imgur.com

If you walk out into that street you'll be run over and killed.

files.g4tv.com

If you have unprotected sex with that hooker you'll catch an STD and melt on the spot.

Those Sierra adventures were pure sadistic.
 
2013-08-24 05:51:53 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: At least it wasn't Ethnic Cleansing.


Well, Niko was involved in the Bosnian War, so maybe the main character was involved in ethnic cleansing.
 
2013-08-24 05:52:48 PM
Slaughter, Louisiana.
 
2013-08-24 05:57:12 PM
I'm not saying violent video games make kids into killers, but giving them to eight-year-olds is a symptom of pretty poor parenting.
 
2013-08-24 05:57:39 PM

Djorra: Of course video games have a real and lasting effect on those who play them. This is why my long-dormant magical powers have surfaced after years and years of JRPGs, and I have a harem of girls from playing eroges.


All I know is if video games have a direct effect on people like this, I will f*cking save the galaxy if we're attacked by Reapers.
 
2013-08-24 05:59:24 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.


Or if he'd f#cked her in a car, then killed her to get his money back.
 
2013-08-24 06:03:38 PM
Gordon Bennett:

If you have unprotected sex with that hooker you'll catch an STD and melt on the spot.


Mmm. I think in that edition of the game the hooker death happens on the sidewalk and you sink down into the replacement Larry factory.
 
2013-08-24 06:06:09 PM

jaytkay: Cuz practicing killing people for hours and days on end certainly has no effect on behavior.


Right. And when I play a hockey video game I am "practicing" for the NHL??? I can't wait for the scouts to find me and offer me a multi-million dollar contract!! I practice way more than the pros do!
 
2013-08-24 06:07:50 PM
Maybe she tried to take him bowling?
 
2013-08-24 06:09:41 PM
I'm surprised we haven't played "guess the race" in this thread. Or is it kind of a gimme because it was in Louisiana?
 
2013-08-24 06:16:54 PM

hundreddollarman: I'm surprised we haven't played "guess the race" in this thread. Or is it kind of a gimme because it was in Louisiana?


I wonder how much of a tosspot you need to be in order to think it is relevant.
 
2013-08-24 06:21:27 PM
If he was playing the game a few minutes before shooting her, it really may have played a role in this.

I think people are forgetting how impressionable 8 year olds are to fiction.
 
2013-08-24 06:21:52 PM

Fjornir: hundreddollarman: I'm surprised we haven't played "guess the race" in this thread. Or is it kind of a gimme because it was in Louisiana?

I wonder how much of a tosspot you need to be in order to think it is relevant.


This. That said, a trailer park in East Feliciana Parish? I'd say these are white folks.
 
2013-08-24 06:23:13 PM

Nabb1: That said,


...seriously?
 
2013-08-24 06:25:05 PM

Fjornir: Nabb1: That said,

...seriously?

Demographically 94% white
 
2013-08-24 06:26:32 PM

Fjornir: Nabb1: That said,

...seriously?


Yes. Have you ever been there?
 
2013-08-24 06:28:17 PM
I blame it on tv shows. Gotdamn Spongebob.
 
2013-08-24 06:28:35 PM

bojon: Fjornir: Nabb1: That said,

...seriously?
Demographically 94% white


I think you misread my "seriously?" there as a request for more information. I was calling him out on some crass f*cking shiat because he was saying it RIGHT AFTER he acknowledged it was some crass f*cking shiat.

It's like looking at the person who is the race or whatever of the butt of a bigoted joke and saying something like, "Present company except, of course, but..."
 
2013-08-24 06:40:01 PM
people never killed each other with firearms before the invention of videogames. And no other country in the world has access to them, just America.


Cuz practicing killing people for hours and days on end certainly has no effect on behavior.



Yeah. Send those kids outside so they can pretend to shoot each other. Clearly more reasonable that some pixels on a screen.


There is absolutely zero evidence that violent video games cause violence. Just like violent music, TV, movies, comic books and I am sure there were plenty of excuses before that as to why someone's little snowflake being violent was not the fault of him or his parents.


Grand Theft Auto always gets cited as a violent game, but seriously, there are so many MUCH more violent games out there that GTA IV doesn't even make the top 10 list.


It is known in the media and among the general populace. It will have a much greater impact that referring toSaints Rowor a not very prominent game. Part of this is because GTA III allowed (and in a large number of instances encouraged) allowed you to slaughter masses of civilians. Something that was pretty much unheard of at the time. And the sexual content certainly helped get it prominence. This indiscriminate violence was also a big selling point for the game.


FTFA: "Those who have not reached the age of 10 years are exempt from criminal responsibility"


They should seriously promote this in their tourism literature.



That is pretty common in the civilized and even many not-so-civilized parts of the world, usually somewhere from 8 to 12. If an individual cannot understand what they did was wrong or the consequences of their actions, they cannot reasonably be held reasonable for those consequences. And, as in many laws, age is our best objective approximation of maturity and mental development so it is a logical way to establish the basis.
 
2013-08-24 06:40:07 PM
SLAUGHTER, La.
 
2013-08-24 06:41:45 PM
All I know is that it's either the parents fault or the video-games and 8-year-olds with access to handguns is a sign that our system works and is the best in the world.
 
2013-08-24 06:48:11 PM
Might as well blame a game like the Sims for causing people to murder each other.  If I got sick of taking care of one of my characters, I'd just remove the diving board from the swimming pool or wall them up in a room somewhere inside the house.  I had quite the little cemetery outside of one of my houses.

/sorry, I know it's awful and morbid, but nothing I'd ever do in RL under any circumstances, but to pixels, sure why not?
//also taught the cow (named him Bob) in the original Black and White to eat and sacrifice people.  Corrupted the one "good" pet in the game.  Good times, good times
 
2013-08-24 06:49:29 PM

bhcompy: He probably got pissed off because Roman kept calling him to go bowling


This Xs 1000000
 
2013-08-24 06:50:48 PM
Actually, it's a lack of values being taught to a little boy that leads to something like this. Also, some dope that didn't secure their firearm. I'll bet money that he lives in a single parent household, too.

Tell us some more now about the evil guns that load, aim and fire themselves.
 
2013-08-24 06:52:48 PM

UsikFark: 7th Son of a 7th Son: At least it wasn't Ethnic Cleansing.

Well, Niko was involved in the Bosnian War, so maybe the main character was involved in ethnic cleansing.


7th son of a 7th son?  Dayum that's a lot of crotch fruit from one tree.
 
2013-08-24 06:53:23 PM

specialkae: Might as well blame a game like the Sims for causing people to murder each other.  If I got sick of taking care of one of my characters, I'd just remove the diving board from the swimming pool or wall them up in a room somewhere inside the house.



Taking the stairs out of the pool was my favorite way to force my Sims to train their Body stat. If you keep an eye on 'em out of the corner of your eye while they splash they hardly ever die.
 
2013-08-24 06:54:53 PM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: 7th son of a 7th son?  Dayum that's a lot of crotch fruit from one tree.


You're only saying that because your 'da couldn't get it up for your 'ma more than once a fortnight...
 
2013-08-24 06:55:28 PM

NewportBarGuy: I think Pong led to Jonestown.


I think PacMan lead Mark David Chapman to kill Leno.
 
2013-08-24 06:56:28 PM

Shirley Ujest: I think PacMan lead Mark David Chapman to kill Leno.


Bullshiat. All Pac-Man ever lead to was some amazing farking raves.
 
2013-08-24 06:57:10 PM
As long as we don't talk about guns.
 
2013-08-24 06:57:49 PM

jake_lex: You know, no matter how much the kid played GTA, it strikes me that it becomes much harder for him to shoot someone  if he can't get to a farking gun.


This is why we need to turn in our weapons for vibrators.

Everyone would be much safer and happier.
 
2013-08-24 06:59:48 PM
Does no one else think the name of the town the boy lived in has anything to do with it,  SLAUGHTER, La?

Come on now....Children of the corn and who has a 90 year old taking care of an 8 year old?!
 
2013-08-24 07:02:17 PM

KimNorth: who has a 90 year old taking care of an 8 year old?!


...someone who doesn't want their 90 year old any longer and knows that 10 and under is exempt from criminal responsibility?
 
2013-08-24 07:02:54 PM
Any bets on if she was double tapped.
 
2013-08-24 07:12:16 PM
These foul and nefarious video-games are corrupting our youth and must be banned! Just like pool. And interracial marrage. And comic-books. And phonographs, long hair-cuts, pinball, singing, writing, and that bastard homo-sexual Socrates.
 
2013-08-24 07:16:45 PM
The best Rockstar game for gratuitous violence was State of Emergency.  It had a very limited map - shopping center or Chinatown, for example, but it was funny because everyone was running around looting.  Some looters were carrying TVs on their heads, you could take the TV from them and beat them to death with it.  Hilarious!
 
2013-08-24 07:20:13 PM

bhcompy: He probably got pissed off because Roman kept calling him to go bowling


just ditch his fat ass at the burger shot.
 
2013-08-24 07:23:34 PM
This is like the ultimate wuss thread article.

/BAN THE THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
 
2013-08-24 07:25:42 PM
Prove it, lib
 
2013-08-24 07:37:49 PM
This kid is going to have a blast at Mardi Gras.
 
2013-08-24 07:49:57 PM
I guess he got tired of her always smelling like mothballs. At least he didn't beat her to death with a giant purple dildo. Then one would have to wonder if playing GTA gave him the idea.
 
2013-08-24 07:55:49 PM
So there was a kid playing GTA unsupervised with a firearm not secured in the house? So let's blame the game? Anyway, I need to get back to SR4. I have to smack things with my tentacle bat.
 
2013-08-24 07:59:08 PM

rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.


I think you forgot run over and over and over...
 
2013-08-24 07:59:21 PM
Anything to take the blame away from guns and/or irresponsible parenting!
 
2013-08-24 08:01:44 PM

Barricaded Gunman: DarkSoulNoHope: Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.

Or if he'd f#cked her in a car, then killed her to get his money back.


Well, everyone needs hobbies.
 
2013-08-24 08:02:31 PM
Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial
 
2013-08-24 08:19:42 PM
art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-08-24 08:22:03 PM
Kids never emulate anything they see in any media. The morons of the videogame "culture" taught me that.
 
2013-08-24 08:30:01 PM
"Pitfall" just made me jump on crocodiles.
Kids these days.
 
2013-08-24 08:33:57 PM
If you're going to blame inanimate objects for shooting deaths, then you might as well blame games too.
 
2013-08-24 08:41:42 PM

dascott: Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial




You don't make it past the tutorial but at least you get to feel superior, so you have that going for you.
 
2013-08-24 08:51:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


Apparently there were THOUSANDS possibly MILLIONS of kids that played that game and never killed anyone. Blaming games, books or movies for the things that people do is something only a truly farked up person would do.
 
2013-08-24 08:52:10 PM

The_Sponge: cubic_spleen: Why is everyone angry over this kid exercising his Second Amendment rights*?

* as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP

....and the troll and gun control weenies are out in full force today.


I'd say the kid displayed excellent gun control.*

*as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP
 
2013-08-24 08:54:02 PM
What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy
 
2013-08-24 08:54:25 PM
Yep.  I remember loading up Oregon trail on my floppy in junior high and all of a sudden getting this wanton urge to scalp injuns and contract dysentry.
 
2013-08-24 08:57:09 PM

GreenSun: In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.


You foolishly assume that players act rationally, or care about winning the game. If the player enjoys shooting random people, then they might do that.
 
2013-08-24 08:57:19 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy


yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.
 
2013-08-24 09:01:00 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.


Huh? Are you retarded?
 
2013-08-24 09:06:10 PM

enik: If you're going to blame inanimate objects for shooting deaths, then you might as well blame games too.


Until we have a school tragedy with a mentally disturbed kid mowing down 20 kindergardeners by slicing their throats open with DVD copies of GTA IV in less than three minutes, shut up and let the adults talk.
 
2013-08-24 09:09:00 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.

Huh? Are you retarded?


Pop quiz for ya:  put a 90 year old in a trailer park with an 8 year old kid and a copy of GTA to play as long as he likes, but no gun available.   Next trailer down, put a 90 year old in with another 8 year old kid who has a sig sauer and no reading material more objectionable than the Bible.  Let's see who gets murdered first.
 
2013-08-24 09:13:06 PM

Cargo: rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.
Go on . . .


All right, fine. And then you are covered with honey, buried in a fire ant hill, a penis is drawn on your forehead, and a red-hot poker is inserted into your anus, no lube. Then you get pulled out and raped, by clowns.

Are you done?
 
2013-08-24 09:17:06 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.

Huh? Are you retarded?

Pop quiz for ya:  put a 90 year old in a trailer park with an 8 year old kid and a copy of GTA to play as long as he likes, but no gun available.   Next trailer down, put a 90 year old in with another 8 year old kid who has a sig sauer and no reading material more objectionable than the Bible.  Let's see who gets murdered first.


Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

You seem to be confused.
 
2013-08-24 09:19:04 PM

GreenSun: GTA IV doesn't reward players for killing people randomly. If you do that, your Wanted Level increases and the police will hunt you down. Even in missions where you have to assassinate someone, you still have to be careful of the police. They're simply trying to blame a video game for this act and the writer most likely hasn't even played it.

In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.

Speaking of grannies, here's the Badass Granny for you.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sel29t3rr4E


The problem here though is that the child is being allowed to play a violent video game (and what seems to be) without having the context explained to him.

At 8-years-old you may recognize the fact that the more you shoot people, the more stars you accumulate; but you're not able to functionally understand what it all means.  I'm sure this kid just shot the woman in the back of the head being under the serious impression that all he was going to get was two 'wanted level' stars.

This situation is functionally no different than the numerous stories we've had here on Fark about young kids who watch lots of wrestling, have no clue that the people they're watching are actors, end up DDT'ing their little sister- and snapping her neck.
 
2013-08-24 09:23:54 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.
 
2013-08-24 09:25:52 PM

Twitch Boy: Just be glad he didn't get into Saints Row.

Then he would have dressed as a furry and run around a mall on an ATV blasting dubstep and beating people with a double sided dildo.


People did that before Saints Row came out.

...So I've heard
 
2013-08-24 09:30:11 PM
We should ban all video games.  Thank, NY Post, I now see the light.
 
2013-08-24 09:31:32 PM

badhatharry: I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.


That. I think the kid was already farked in the head, and video games aren't responsible for people's violent actions, but it is completely inappropriate for an eight-year-old to be playing GTA or watching R-rated movies. 14 or 15, sure, okay, especially if the parents know their kids are mature enough, but there's no excuse for a preteen or child to be viewing violent material.
 
2013-08-24 09:39:48 PM

Vector R: badhatharry: I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.

That. I think the kid was already farked in the head, and video games aren't responsible for people's violent actions, but it is completely inappropriate for an eight-year-old to be playing GTA or watching R-rated movies. 14 or 15, sure, okay, especially if the parents know their kids are mature enough, but there's no excuse for a preteen or child to be viewing violent material.


Neither do I, which is why I've been petitioning my local city council to have the Bible and other related material (coloring books, etc) rated NC-17

We have only this one story, which I'm sure is completely factual and has all context.  But given the fact that it's pretty hard for even the most seasoned video gamer to simultaneously unlock the cleaned the mean streets achievement and cap one in the back of granny's head, I'm thinking of the possibility that this kid had a temper tantrum when Granny told him to shut the damn game off.  Kids have temper tantrums after video game marathons all the time.  Hell my own son has some legendary ones.  But he's never capped anybody, probably because he hasn't had a loaded gun within his reach.
 
2013-08-24 09:43:46 PM

cryinoutloud: Cargo: rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.
Go on . . .

All right, fine. And then you are covered with honey, buried in a fire ant hill, a penis is drawn on your forehead, and a red-hot poker is inserted into your anus, no lube. Then you get pulled out and raped, by clowns.

Are you done?


WTF am I reading! I WANT MY MOM!!!!
 
2013-08-24 09:51:09 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.


Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball
 
2013-08-24 10:09:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.

Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball


no, you just took the fact that a kid was playing a game minutes before he shot a woman as evidence of the hours and hours of damage they did to his brain.
 
2013-08-24 10:15:59 PM
"a realistic game that's been associated with encouraging violence and awards points to players for killing people"

bullshiat.  I drove my car into a swingset the other day and all it did was leave a mark on my bumper.
 
2013-08-24 10:25:30 PM
And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(
 
2013-08-24 10:35:10 PM
My favorite thing to do in the game is to push people off bridges or down flights of steps.  I'll never get over watching them tumble down the stairs.
 
2013-08-24 10:52:24 PM

Poowaddins: And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(


I did twice and got nothing :(
 
2013-08-24 11:02:48 PM

KimNorth: Poowaddins: And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(

I did twice and got nothing :(


Dumb Blonde and I both did.
 
2013-08-24 11:30:47 PM

StoPPeRmobile: dascott: Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial

You don't make it past the tutorial but at least you get to feel superior, so you have that going for you.


I think he means he doesn't make it past the tutorial while attempting to play the game without breaking any traffic laws. That is, he gets bored and starts driving down the sidewalks before the tutorial is over.
 
2013-08-25 12:25:01 AM
Oh goodie this shiat again.
 
2013-08-25 12:54:26 AM
Thank goodness he wasn't watching Yosemite Sam.
 
2013-08-25 01:10:16 AM
Anyone remember this wondrous scene? I saw it many many many time on repeat and I turned out juuust fine!

www.robocoparchive.com

/yep...well new guns 'n ammo mag just got here ...gotta go grab my napkins..brb
 
2013-08-25 01:54:35 AM

NewportBarGuy: Nabb1: I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.

They have warning labels on them thanks to Tipper and Hillary. At what point is it the caregiver's responsibility, or whomever purchased the game/allowed it to be played?

I know I bought all that violent crap when I was a kid and hid it from my parents. You just find ways. Buy it from a kid at school, neighbor in high school etc... There's a whole marketplace for kids to buy crap like drugs, booze, and violent video games.

The only way you'll stop that from happening is to outright ban them, and you know the constitutional ramifications that would have.

Also, if there are older kids in the household, you've got even easier access.

Never gonna stop it. Just hope the parents or whomever catch some of it, but that's not often the case.


An 8 hear old is not going to the store and buy a $60 copy of GTA. Dis you even read the derp you posted?
 
Xai
2013-08-25 05:40:47 AM
so what this article is saying, is that it is completely safe for children to have their own firearms, as long as they never ever play violent videogames.
 
2013-08-25 06:46:03 AM
t3.gstatic.com
I won an argument on the internet!
 
2013-08-25 01:47:52 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.

Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball

no, you just took the fact that a kid was playing a game minutes before he shot a woman as evidence of the hours and hours of damage they did to his brain.


Wrong again. You're really, really bad at reading comprehension.
 
2013-08-25 02:04:22 PM

CK2005: My favorite thing to do in the game is to push people off bridges or down flights of steps.  I'll never get over watching them tumble down the stairs.


Yes, or pushing them into the water. Or then getting a dummy mad enough to take a swing, only to hit another bystander, causing the cops to freak out & start shooting.

I also enjoy setting off big traffic jams, then making a damaged car blow up. BOOM!

I love Saint's Row as well, but the stupid "realism" of GTA IV is also enjoyable in its way.
 
2013-08-25 05:44:45 PM
Well, while they want to play the blame game, lemme counter with this..

The kid is 8 years old. ... in the hell is he doing with a copy of GTA IV? What irresponsible parents didn't pay attention to the ESRB rating on the box that clearly shows that he had no business with the game? Rated M for MATUUUUURE.

Someone please make sure that this isn't just glossed over and it's brought up in the investigation. That "Blame Rockstar" s*** is getting old.
 
2013-08-26 03:45:02 AM

novalord2: If he was playing the game a few minutes before shooting her, it really may have played a role in this.

I think people are forgetting how impressionable 8 year olds are to fiction.


Rubbish. Eight year olds can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. They're children, not mental incompetents. The videogame isn't important. What is important is to ask who allowed an eight year old child access to a loaded gun.
 
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