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(NYPost)   Subby is absolutely sure playing the video game "Grand Theft Auto IV" had nothing whatsoever to do with this 8-year-old boy shooting an elderly woman to death   (nypost.com) divider line 153
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2013-08-24 07:12:16 PM
These foul and nefarious video-games are corrupting our youth and must be banned! Just like pool. And interracial marrage. And comic-books. And phonographs, long hair-cuts, pinball, singing, writing, and that bastard homo-sexual Socrates.
 
2013-08-24 07:16:45 PM
The best Rockstar game for gratuitous violence was State of Emergency.  It had a very limited map - shopping center or Chinatown, for example, but it was funny because everyone was running around looting.  Some looters were carrying TVs on their heads, you could take the TV from them and beat them to death with it.  Hilarious!
 
2013-08-24 07:20:13 PM

bhcompy: He probably got pissed off because Roman kept calling him to go bowling


just ditch his fat ass at the burger shot.
 
2013-08-24 07:23:34 PM
This is like the ultimate wuss thread article.

/BAN THE THINGS I DON'T LIKE!
 
2013-08-24 07:25:42 PM
Prove it, lib
 
2013-08-24 07:37:49 PM
This kid is going to have a blast at Mardi Gras.
 
2013-08-24 07:49:57 PM
I guess he got tired of her always smelling like mothballs. At least he didn't beat her to death with a giant purple dildo. Then one would have to wonder if playing GTA gave him the idea.
 
2013-08-24 07:55:49 PM
So there was a kid playing GTA unsupervised with a firearm not secured in the house? So let's blame the game? Anyway, I need to get back to SR4. I have to smack things with my tentacle bat.
 
2013-08-24 07:59:08 PM

rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.


I think you forgot run over and over and over...
 
2013-08-24 07:59:21 PM
Anything to take the blame away from guns and/or irresponsible parenting!
 
2013-08-24 08:01:44 PM

Barricaded Gunman: DarkSoulNoHope: Now if he run over her with a car, that would be a different story altogether.

Or if he'd f#cked her in a car, then killed her to get his money back.


Well, everyone needs hobbies.
 
2013-08-24 08:02:31 PM
Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial
 
2013-08-24 08:19:42 PM
art.penny-arcade.com
 
2013-08-24 08:22:03 PM
Kids never emulate anything they see in any media. The morons of the videogame "culture" taught me that.
 
2013-08-24 08:30:01 PM
"Pitfall" just made me jump on crocodiles.
Kids these days.
 
2013-08-24 08:33:57 PM
If you're going to blame inanimate objects for shooting deaths, then you might as well blame games too.
 
2013-08-24 08:41:42 PM

dascott: Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial




You don't make it past the tutorial but at least you get to feel superior, so you have that going for you.
 
2013-08-24 08:51:38 PM

TuteTibiImperes: While I have my doubts that a videogame was responsible for his actions, GTA is in no way appropriate for an 8 year old.

Of course, access to a firearm is much less appropriate for an 8 year old.


Apparently there were THOUSANDS possibly MILLIONS of kids that played that game and never killed anyone. Blaming games, books or movies for the things that people do is something only a truly farked up person would do.
 
2013-08-24 08:52:10 PM

The_Sponge: cubic_spleen: Why is everyone angry over this kid exercising his Second Amendment rights*?

* as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP

....and the troll and gun control weenies are out in full force today.


I'd say the kid displayed excellent gun control.*

*as interpreted by the NRA and the GOP
 
2013-08-24 08:54:02 PM
What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy
 
2013-08-24 08:54:25 PM
Yep.  I remember loading up Oregon trail on my floppy in junior high and all of a sudden getting this wanton urge to scalp injuns and contract dysentry.
 
2013-08-24 08:57:09 PM

GreenSun: In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.


You foolishly assume that players act rationally, or care about winning the game. If the player enjoys shooting random people, then they might do that.
 
2013-08-24 08:57:19 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy


yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.
 
2013-08-24 09:01:00 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.


Huh? Are you retarded?
 
2013-08-24 09:06:10 PM

enik: If you're going to blame inanimate objects for shooting deaths, then you might as well blame games too.


Until we have a school tragedy with a mentally disturbed kid mowing down 20 kindergardeners by slicing their throats open with DVD copies of GTA IV in less than three minutes, shut up and let the adults talk.
 
2013-08-24 09:09:00 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.

Huh? Are you retarded?


Pop quiz for ya:  put a 90 year old in a trailer park with an 8 year old kid and a copy of GTA to play as long as he likes, but no gun available.   Next trailer down, put a 90 year old in with another 8 year old kid who has a sig sauer and no reading material more objectionable than the Bible.  Let's see who gets murdered first.
 
2013-08-24 09:13:06 PM

Cargo: rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.
Go on . . .


All right, fine. And then you are covered with honey, buried in a fire ant hill, a penis is drawn on your forehead, and a red-hot poker is inserted into your anus, no lube. Then you get pulled out and raped, by clowns.

Are you done?
 
2013-08-24 09:17:06 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What is the null hypothesis? That being exposed to hours and hours of violent images and playing in a murder simulator has absolutely no effect on a child's psyche? Really? Okayyyy

yet somehow, you can give that child an (actual) murder machine and he will in no way use it irresponsibly?  Okayyyyy.

Huh? Are you retarded?

Pop quiz for ya:  put a 90 year old in a trailer park with an 8 year old kid and a copy of GTA to play as long as he likes, but no gun available.   Next trailer down, put a 90 year old in with another 8 year old kid who has a sig sauer and no reading material more objectionable than the Bible.  Let's see who gets murdered first.


Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

You seem to be confused.
 
2013-08-24 09:19:04 PM

GreenSun: GTA IV doesn't reward players for killing people randomly. If you do that, your Wanted Level increases and the police will hunt you down. Even in missions where you have to assassinate someone, you still have to be careful of the police. They're simply trying to blame a video game for this act and the writer most likely hasn't even played it.

In GTA IV, the more crimes you commit, the higher your Wanted Level becomes. At first only police patrols will chase you, but the higher your Wanted Level becomes, the more cops join in until they send the helicopter and elite team to kill you. GTA IV lets you murder people whenever you feel like it, but the consequences are there, the police will hunt you down.

Speaking of grannies, here's the Badass Granny for you.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sel29t3rr4E


The problem here though is that the child is being allowed to play a violent video game (and what seems to be) without having the context explained to him.

At 8-years-old you may recognize the fact that the more you shoot people, the more stars you accumulate; but you're not able to functionally understand what it all means.  I'm sure this kid just shot the woman in the back of the head being under the serious impression that all he was going to get was two 'wanted level' stars.

This situation is functionally no different than the numerous stories we've had here on Fark about young kids who watch lots of wrestling, have no clue that the people they're watching are actors, end up DDT'ing their little sister- and snapping her neck.
 
2013-08-24 09:23:54 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.
 
2013-08-24 09:25:52 PM

Twitch Boy: Just be glad he didn't get into Saints Row.

Then he would have dressed as a furry and run around a mall on an ATV blasting dubstep and beating people with a double sided dildo.


People did that before Saints Row came out.

...So I've heard
 
2013-08-24 09:30:11 PM
We should ban all video games.  Thank, NY Post, I now see the light.
 
2013-08-24 09:31:32 PM

badhatharry: I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.


That. I think the kid was already farked in the head, and video games aren't responsible for people's violent actions, but it is completely inappropriate for an eight-year-old to be playing GTA or watching R-rated movies. 14 or 15, sure, okay, especially if the parents know their kids are mature enough, but there's no excuse for a preteen or child to be viewing violent material.
 
2013-08-24 09:39:48 PM

Vector R: badhatharry: I am absolutely sure that playing the game was not good for the kid's mental and emotional stability.

That. I think the kid was already farked in the head, and video games aren't responsible for people's violent actions, but it is completely inappropriate for an eight-year-old to be playing GTA or watching R-rated movies. 14 or 15, sure, okay, especially if the parents know their kids are mature enough, but there's no excuse for a preteen or child to be viewing violent material.


Neither do I, which is why I've been petitioning my local city council to have the Bible and other related material (coloring books, etc) rated NC-17

We have only this one story, which I'm sure is completely factual and has all context.  But given the fact that it's pretty hard for even the most seasoned video gamer to simultaneously unlock the cleaned the mean streets achievement and cap one in the back of granny's head, I'm thinking of the possibility that this kid had a temper tantrum when Granny told him to shut the damn game off.  Kids have temper tantrums after video game marathons all the time.  Hell my own son has some legendary ones.  But he's never capped anybody, probably because he hasn't had a loaded gun within his reach.
 
2013-08-24 09:43:46 PM

cryinoutloud: Cargo: rjakobi: Anyone who blames child violence on Grand Theft Auto deserves to be shot several times. And teabagged.
Go on . . .

All right, fine. And then you are covered with honey, buried in a fire ant hill, a penis is drawn on your forehead, and a red-hot poker is inserted into your anus, no lube. Then you get pulled out and raped, by clowns.

Are you done?


WTF am I reading! I WANT MY MOM!!!!
 
2013-08-24 09:51:09 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.


Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball
 
2013-08-24 10:09:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.

Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball


no, you just took the fact that a kid was playing a game minutes before he shot a woman as evidence of the hours and hours of damage they did to his brain.
 
2013-08-24 10:15:59 PM
"a realistic game that's been associated with encouraging violence and awards points to players for killing people"

bullshiat.  I drove my car into a swingset the other day and all it did was leave a mark on my bumper.
 
2013-08-24 10:25:30 PM
And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(
 
2013-08-24 10:35:10 PM
My favorite thing to do in the game is to push people off bridges or down flights of steps.  I'll never get over watching them tumble down the stairs.
 
2013-08-24 10:52:24 PM

Poowaddins: And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(


I did twice and got nothing :(
 
2013-08-24 11:02:48 PM

KimNorth: Poowaddins: And no one even makes reference to the town in which this occurred, "Slaughter, LA". Fark's going lame. :(

I did twice and got nothing :(


Dumb Blonde and I both did.
 
2013-08-24 11:30:47 PM

StoPPeRmobile: dascott: Somewhat related, I've always wanted to see an experiment where people are put into a GTA type game and instructed to just drive around, and time how long it takes before they start driving down sidewalks.

/I don't make it past the tutorial

You don't make it past the tutorial but at least you get to feel superior, so you have that going for you.


I think he means he doesn't make it past the tutorial while attempting to play the game without breaking any traffic laws. That is, he gets bored and starts driving down the sidewalks before the tutorial is over.
 
2013-08-25 12:25:01 AM
Oh goodie this shiat again.
 
2013-08-25 12:54:26 AM
Thank goodness he wasn't watching Yosemite Sam.
 
2013-08-25 01:10:16 AM
Anyone remember this wondrous scene? I saw it many many many time on repeat and I turned out juuust fine!

www.robocoparchive.com

/yep...well new guns 'n ammo mag just got here ...gotta go grab my napkins..brb
 
2013-08-25 01:54:35 AM

NewportBarGuy: Nabb1: I agree, but in no way is GTA an appropriate game go a child that young, especially one that clearly has other issues.

They have warning labels on them thanks to Tipper and Hillary. At what point is it the caregiver's responsibility, or whomever purchased the game/allowed it to be played?

I know I bought all that violent crap when I was a kid and hid it from my parents. You just find ways. Buy it from a kid at school, neighbor in high school etc... There's a whole marketplace for kids to buy crap like drugs, booze, and violent video games.

The only way you'll stop that from happening is to outright ban them, and you know the constitutional ramifications that would have.

Also, if there are older kids in the household, you've got even easier access.

Never gonna stop it. Just hope the parents or whomever catch some of it, but that's not often the case.


An 8 hear old is not going to the store and buy a $60 copy of GTA. Dis you even read the derp you posted?
 
Xai
2013-08-25 05:40:47 AM
so what this article is saying, is that it is completely safe for children to have their own firearms, as long as they never ever play violent videogames.
 
2013-08-25 06:46:03 AM
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I won an argument on the internet!
 
2013-08-25 01:47:52 PM

pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: pueblonative: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
Your pop quiz has nothing to do with whether or not playing hours and hours of violent video games has an effect on a developing psyche or no?

Well, considering the fact that we live with a religion that regularly tells their children tales of torture, execution, war crimes, rape,. . .and that's the good guys, I'm thinking Grand Theft Auto IV is pretty much a blip on the radar.  And those same violent video games are available in Canada, Japan, Europe, etc.  They don't seem to have the gun violence we do.  I wonder what's the difference?

Point is, the impact of a video game on the psyche (whatever it is) can be treated easier than the impact of a bullet on the brain.

Ok, that's a bit of an odd point to make to me considering I never implied otherwise. Goofball

no, you just took the fact that a kid was playing a game minutes before he shot a woman as evidence of the hours and hours of damage they did to his brain.


Wrong again. You're really, really bad at reading comprehension.
 
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