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2013-08-24 12:43:34 PM
On seeing that design the only thing I could do:
 
2013-08-24 12:45:55 PM
Stupid unfetchable link.

Don't look at the car.  DON'T LOOK AT THE CAR.
 
2013-08-24 12:51:27 PM

teto85: On seeing that design the only thing I could do:


Is what? Did you hurl, fap, smack your SO. Spit it out man
 
2013-08-24 01:01:29 PM
That's an 'artists rendering' so it's a guess based on camouflaged spy shots.

They've gone retro since the '05 model year, I think it's time to do something a bit more modern.  I like it.
 
2013-08-24 01:13:47 PM
Now if they could only make their transmissions work...
 
2013-08-24 02:15:23 PM

jim32rr: teto85: On seeing that design the only thing I could do:

Is what? Did you hurl, fap, smack your SO. Spit it out man


It was supposed to be a gif of the Griffin family projectile vomiting.
 
2013-08-24 02:37:25 PM

teto85: jim32rr: teto85: On seeing that design the only thing I could do:

Is what? Did you hurl, fap, smack your SO. Spit it out man

It was supposed to be a gif of the Griffin family projectile vomiting.


Well then I guess you did spit it out, so to speak
 
2013-08-24 02:49:05 PM
How about creating a naturally-aspirated V8 that can compete with GM and ditching the live real axle?

*reads article*

"Also to the delight of U.S. loyalists, the pony car will finally kick the live rear axle in favor of an independent rear suspension."

Finally.
 
2013-08-24 03:05:27 PM

violentsalvation: How about creating a naturally-aspirated V8 that can compete with GM and ditching the live real axle?

*reads article*

"Also to the delight of U.S. loyalists, the pony car will finally kick the live rear axle in favor of an independent rear suspension."

Finally.


They have the V8 too, the 5.0 'Coyote' V8 is right on par with the LS3 in terms of power output, and most of the reviews mention that they prefer the sound and responsiveness of the Ford 5.0 vs the GM 6.2.

Plus, the new 5.0 was designed to allow for direct injection from the beginning, which it will likely get with the next-gen Mustang, giving more power and better fuel economy.
 
2013-08-24 03:24:38 PM
Looks like a Taurus.
 
2013-08-24 03:26:49 PM
Ah, yes. Because what the world needs is more cars.
 
2013-08-24 03:28:12 PM
I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.

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Which is sad, because if it was sportier, I would have had more fun during the drive ... I would have had more fun in my 4th gen maxima.
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2013-08-24 03:28:28 PM
It looks slightly less like a teenage girl car. Kudos, Ford.

/Works at a Chrysler dealership
//Going to be buying a Dart
 
2013-08-24 03:33:05 PM

lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.


We had a rental Mustang ragtop a year or two ago. We were not impressed in the slightest. With the top down it was a nice cruiser, but the V-6 sure didn't feel like it had the 300HP listed in the spec sheet and with the top up it was just an annoying vehicle. The interior was cheaper than the Focus we had on the next trip and there just really wasn't anything all that redeeming about the Mustang.

I bet the V-8 version is much more entertaining, but the feeling from that rental was that the Mustang was a poorly packaged coupe that is as interesting to drive as a Taurus but without any of the room.
 
2013-08-24 03:40:53 PM
In 2014 Ford will launch next-generation designs of its body and soul -- the Mustang and F-150. Looks like the new Mustang could alienate loyal fans ..... of course if they had any brains at all, they would be buying Mopar

I like how Subby thinks.

Why doesn't Ford just sell off their truck lines, rights to their now-dead Panther platform, and anything else American to GM and Chrysler - then rename themselves Aston Martin?  All Ford has done is turned every vehicle of theirs into some sort of Eurotrash car and then threw in a turbocharger to please the hippies.  Anything showing too much American character was dropped (Panther platform, their large cargo vans), remade into some Aston Martin knockoff (too many to count), or replaced with something European in design.

TuteTibiImperes: They've gone retro since the '05 model year, I think it's time to do something a bit more modern. I like it.


Just compress an Aston Martin DB a fair bit and you have today's Mustang.  If you only took the front end and warped it a bit, you have every Mulally era car from Ford.
 
2013-08-24 03:42:48 PM
I bet Mustang owners will be proud that people will think it's a Pontiac at first glance.

images.gtcarlot.com
 
2013-08-24 03:42:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: That's an 'artists rendering' so it's a guess based on camouflaged spy shots.

They've gone retro since the '05 model year, I think it's time to do something a bit more modern.  I like it.


Those are two important points.  That pic isn't actually what the car will look like, just someone's guess.  Ford WILL be trying to make it more modern.  I agree with you; the retro look was nice for a while, but it's time for a change.

akula: We had a rental Mustang ragtop a year or two ago. We were not impressed in the slightest. With the top down it was a nice cruiser, but the V-6 sure didn't feel like it had the 300HP listed in the spec sheet and with the top up it was just an annoying vehicle. The interior was cheaper than the Focus we had on the next trip and there just really wasn't anything all that redeeming about the Mustang.

I bet the V-8 version is much more entertaining, but the feeling from that rental was that the Mustang was a poorly packaged coupe that is as interesting to drive as a Taurus but without any of the room.


I had a much better experience in a privately-owned Mustang.  I think "rental" is your key word there.  People trash rental cars, especially rental sports cars.  I try not to judge manufacturers/cars based on rental experiences, because every rental car I've ever driven has sucked on ice.
 
2013-08-24 03:43:53 PM

akula: lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.

We had a rental Mustang ragtop a year or two ago. We were not impressed in the slightest. With the top down it was a nice cruiser, but the V-6 sure didn't feel like it had the 300HP listed in the spec sheet and with the top up it was just an annoying vehicle. The interior was cheaper than the Focus we had on the next trip and there just really wasn't anything all that redeeming about the Mustang.


Unlike the Focus, it doesn't have the electronic gizmos to distract from the complete lack of a decent engine.

/Rented a hardtop Mustang in 2008
//Plain, but definitely didnt lack anything in the engine compartment
 
2013-08-24 03:44:04 PM
Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them?  If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look.  If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.
 
2013-08-24 03:47:16 PM

Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them? If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look. If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.


Well, catering to hippies by mistaking the US for Europe isn't exactly a good idea either.
 
2013-08-24 03:50:01 PM
HMS_Blinkin:

I had a much better experience in a privately-owned Mustang.  I think "rental" is your key word there.  People trash rental cars, especially rental sports cars.  I try not to judge manufacturers/cars based on rental experiences, because every rental car I've ever driven has sucked on ice.

I suppose this means I need to buy a Mazda because everytime I rent a Mazda I'm blown away.  I've even rented the Mazda 5 a few times and I love it.  It's a minivan that handles and drives better than a litany of cars I've rented including things like Muranos, Altimas, Malibus, and anything Toyota makes.  Mazda is killing it right now.

Sidenote:  the Chevy Cruze (with turbo) and Impala both impressed me.  The Impala is a bit overdone in trying too much to look inside and out like a Camaro, but for a big family car I was pleasantly surprised.  The Cruze was more powerful and smoother on the highway than I thought a car that small could be (that doesn't say BMW on the front).
 
2013-08-24 03:50:37 PM

Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them?  If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look.  If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.


I imagine that's part of the problem... the sports car market is so small these days that it's hard to focus on one demographic.
 
2013-08-24 03:52:35 PM

lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.

[sphotos-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x480]

Which is sad, because if it was sportier, I would have had more fun during the drive ... I would have had more fun in my 4th gen maxima.
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akula: lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.

We had a rental Mustang ragtop a year or two ago. We were not impressed in the slightest. With the top down it was a nice cruiser, but the V-6 sure didn't feel like it had the 300HP listed in the spec sheet and with the top up it was just an annoying vehicle. The interior was cheaper than the Focus we had on the next trip and there just really wasn't anything all that redeeming about the Mustang.

I bet the V-8 version is much more entertaining, but the feeling from that rental was that the Mustang was a poorly packaged coupe that is as interesting to drive as a Taurus but without any of the room.


There are big differences in the suspension setups, brakes, etc, between the various trims.  The base V6 rental special is tuned much more for comfort than for sport.  When you look at the V6 Performance Package, GT Track Pack, or go real hardcore with the Boss 302 or Laguna Seca, the suspension, brakes, throttle response, etc, are all tuned for sport.  The base V6 automatic has a rear axle ratio of (I believe) 2.73:1, which is good for fuel economy but not performance, with the GT and a stick you can get all the way up to a 3.73:1, which hurts fuel economy, but improves acceleration tremendously.

One of the big car mags put a Boss 302 against a BMW M3 on a track course, and while the BMW won, it was by fractions of a second in time, the Mustang held its own very well and cost half as much.
 
2013-08-24 03:53:04 PM

sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them? If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look. If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.

Well, catering to hippies by mistaking the US for Europe isn't exactly a good idea either.


All the hippies I know drive VWs, old Volvo 24Xs, and 1980s diesel Mercedes.  Maybe you mean young people.  At this point, I think hippies comprise about 0.5% of the US population.
 
2013-08-24 03:56:16 PM
The graph with the article tells me no one has the money to buy a new car.

/Do guys buy mustangs? Seems like all the ones I see are driven by women.
 
2013-08-24 03:57:42 PM
I think the F150 Raptor is sexy.  If only it didn't cost as much as some really nice cars I might have one.
 
2013-08-24 03:58:44 PM

Rapmaster2000: sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them? If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look. If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.

Well, catering to hippies by mistaking the US for Europe isn't exactly a good idea either.

All the hippies I know drive VWs, old Volvo 24Xs, and 1980s diesel Mercedes.  Maybe you mean young people.  At this point, I think hippies comprise about 0.5% of the US population.


Hippies, environmentalists, and the like.
 
2013-08-24 04:01:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: HMS_Blinkin:

I had a much better experience in a privately-owned Mustang.  I think "rental" is your key word there.  People trash rental cars, especially rental sports cars.  I try not to judge manufacturers/cars based on rental experiences, because every rental car I've ever driven has sucked on ice.

I suppose this means I need to buy a Mazda because everytime I rent a Mazda I'm blown away.  I've even rented the Mazda 5 a few times and I love it.  It's a minivan that handles and drives better than a litany of cars I've rented including things like Muranos, Altimas, Malibus, and anything Toyota makes.  Mazda is killing it right now.

Sidenote:  the Chevy Cruze (with turbo) and Impala both impressed me.  The Impala is a bit overdone in trying too much to look inside and out like a Camaro, but for a big family car I was pleasantly surprised.  The Cruze was more powerful and smoother on the highway than I thought a car that small could be (that doesn't say BMW on the front).


As for the Impala, that's been moved too far up and the next step down doesn't have a V6 option.  As for the Cruze, that's just a warmed over Daewoo that's short a couple of cylinders for its price - throw a V6 in there standard at that price and it might be a decent car.
 
2013-08-24 04:01:31 PM
I don't really give a fark about the Mustang.  However, there is a paucity of information in the article about the F-150.  Whar F-150, whar?  I need a truck to haul shiat around in. Several trucks, in fact.
 
2013-08-24 04:01:41 PM

sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them? If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look. If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.

Well, catering to hippies by mistaking the US for Europe isn't exactly a good idea either.

All the hippies I know drive VWs, old Volvo 24Xs, and 1980s diesel Mercedes.  Maybe you mean young people.  At this point, I think hippies comprise about 0.5% of the US population.

Hippies, environmentalists, and the like.


Hey, man.  Whatever they're doing, it's working.  You just might be living in Hippie America.

Ford sales jumped 13.4 percent compared to last June. The Dearborn automaker's small cars - which include the Fiesta subcompact and Focus and C-Max compact cars - climbed 39 percent.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130702/AUTO01/307020045#ixzz2cu4 p QV4O
 
2013-08-24 04:03:14 PM
Simply put: For the Mustang to succeed overseas, it needs to shed a few hundred pounds and shrink in size.

Or just make a full-sized American version and ship the Mustang II version overseas without anything more than a poky I-4.
 
2013-08-24 04:03:50 PM
sethstorm:

As for the Impala, that's been moved too far up and the next step down doesn't have a V6 option.  As for the Cruze, that's just a warmed over Daewoo that's short a couple of cylinders for its price - throw a V6 in there standard at that price and it might be a decent car.

A V6 in a Cruze is a terrible idea.  They're going for fuel economy.  A V6 is a bad choice over a turbo-4.  Even BMW has started putting turbo 4s in its base 3-series.
 
2013-08-24 04:04:55 PM
Welllllll it looks more like a classic 'stang than most of the recent ones, I guess... alll the way back to the mid-eighties even... I guess...
 
2013-08-24 04:05:01 PM

Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them?  If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look.  If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.


sethstorm is all about living in the past, pretending that globalization never happened
 
2013-08-24 04:06:11 PM

sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: HMS_Blinkin:

I had a much better experience in a privately-owned Mustang.  I think "rental" is your key word there.  People trash rental cars, especially rental sports cars.  I try not to judge manufacturers/cars based on rental experiences, because every rental car I've ever driven has sucked on ice.

I suppose this means I need to buy a Mazda because everytime I rent a Mazda I'm blown away.  I've even rented the Mazda 5 a few times and I love it.  It's a minivan that handles and drives better than a litany of cars I've rented including things like Muranos, Altimas, Malibus, and anything Toyota makes.  Mazda is killing it right now.

Sidenote:  the Chevy Cruze (with turbo) and Impala both impressed me.  The Impala is a bit overdone in trying too much to look inside and out like a Camaro, but for a big family car I was pleasantly surprised.  The Cruze was more powerful and smoother on the highway than I thought a car that small could be (that doesn't say BMW on the front).

As for the Impala, that's been moved too far up and the next step down doesn't have a V6 option.  As for the Cruze, that's just a warmed over Daewoo that's short a couple of cylinders for its price - throw a V6 in there standard at that price and it might be a decent car.


The Malibu doesn't have a V6 option, but it has a very nice turbo 4 cylinder option.  I haven't driven one, but I've driven a Fusion with the 2 liter turbo 4, and it's a great engine for that car.

The nice thing about turbo 4 bangers is that you get more torque at a lower RPM than you do with a V6, so they're actually more responsive in the typical suburban type of driving that most people use them for, you also get better fuel economy.

I went with the turbo V6 when I bought my truck over the V8 for the same reason - I can get 23mpg on the highway, it feels quicker off the line than the V8 did, and it has so much torque I can barely feel the trailer behind it when I tow.
 
2013-08-24 04:06:32 PM
There hasn't been a good Mustang built for 40 years.
 
2013-08-24 04:07:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: Hey, man. Whatever they're doing, it's working. You just might be living in Hippie America.


If you have a good enough PR/Advertising arm, you can sell something that people didn't want in the first place.   That, and the Buckeye State is far from Hippie America with more Big Three brands than imports.

Thankfully Chrysler has taken the sanest path and continued to offer American-sized cars with a quarantined international presence.  GM still has options, but only because they're Not Ford.
 
2013-08-24 04:07:50 PM
It's telling that Chrysler fans refer to their cars by the name of the company that sells spare parts.
 
2013-08-24 04:08:29 PM

give me doughnuts: There hasn't been a good Mustang built for 40 years.


The irony is that Ford is being pushed to build *another* Mustang II.
 
2013-08-24 04:09:23 PM
They clearly just realized that the Fusion looks better, sells better and performs better than the current Mustangs, and wanted to shore up Mustang sales by making it look like a Fusion. If my Charger ever gets so old that it's too costly to repair, I'll be replacing it with a 2013 Fusion.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:17 PM

sethstorm: give me doughnuts: There hasn't been a good Mustang built for 40 years.

The irony is that Ford is being pushed to build *another* Mustang II.


Uck.
The first one was bad enough.

Behold the horror:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-24 04:12:10 PM

sethstorm: In 2014 Ford will launch next-generation designs of its body and soul -- the Mustang and F-150. Looks like the new Mustang could alienate loyal fans ..... of course if they had any brains at all, they would be buying Mopar

I like how Subby thinks.

Why doesn't Ford just sell off their truck lines, rights to their now-dead Panther platform, and anything else American to GM and Chrysler - then rename themselves Aston Martin?

 
The Truck lines pay the bills over there... why in the name of the great Satan would they sell them off?

everything else just fills out the portfolio.


I also have a 89 Dodge Ram 150.. Love that truck,  body is good, engine is great, transmission is blown.

 
2013-08-24 04:13:11 PM
I like that Mustang design, but I'm still upset Ford never put the Forty-Niner into production.

www.diseno-art.com
 
2013-08-24 04:13:33 PM

Hollie Maea: It's telling that Chrysler fans refer to their cars by the name of the company that sells spare parts.


Ouch.  And I say this as a Mopar fan.  If I was in the market for a pony car, I would no doubt get that Challenger in an obnoxious color based on nostalgia alone.  I looked at a used purple R/T last year when I was in the market, but I needed a four-door (kids on the way) and I found a 2009 328i with a manual at a good price so... bye bye R/T.  The Cuda was always my favorite.
 
2013-08-24 04:14:07 PM

sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: sethstorm: Rapmaster2000: Eh, I much prefer the new look, but I think the best move from Ford depends on who's buying them? If you're selling to baby boomers, then you definitely want the retro look. If you're trying to get new buyers, then living in the past is probably not the best design strategy.

Well, catering to hippies by mistaking the US for Europe isn't exactly a good idea either.

All the hippies I know drive VWs, old Volvo 24Xs, and 1980s diesel Mercedes.  Maybe you mean young people.  At this point, I think hippies comprise about 0.5% of the US population.

Hippies, environmentalists, and the like.


Man, in a decade electric cars are going to absolutely crush ICE cars. Those cars require such retardedly high amounts of engineering in order to do more than produce a lot of heat, it's pathetic.
 
2013-08-24 04:15:08 PM
A Mopar?  Only if you want it to fall apart and then catch on fire when it is 3 years old.

I used to rent Mustangs a lot because Hertz had them pretty cheap several years ago.  They weren't bad to drive, but I'm not a tall guy and I always hit my head getting into them.  I'm not sure how a 6' tall or taller person would even fit.

Though the 96 Tbird I had was about to have the transmission die at 32,000 miles, and everyone I talked to who had an earlier one typically was on their 4th one by 100,000 miles.  Um, no thanks.
 
2013-08-24 04:15:57 PM
lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a
buick.


Nope.  My '66 was around 2600 pounds.  I'd rather have the new version with shoulder belts, air bags, disc brakes, fuel economy, sound dampening, etc.
 
2013-08-24 04:18:38 PM

Hollie Maea: It's telling that Chrysler fans refer to their cars by the name of the company that sells spare parts.


For serious dude. For serious.

Chrysler is the only maker in America, maybe the world, where quality and value has gone down in the past ~10 years. From Edmunds' list of the 17 worst cars to buy: "Though dramatically improved in 2011, the Dodge Avenger is still the worst midsize sedan. " Even when they're doing good, they're the worst.
 
2013-08-24 04:21:03 PM

jtown: lordargent: I rented a mustang for a recent (~300 mile one way) road trip (it was either that or a plain jane camry or something).

Were they always so damned heavy? It felt less like driving a sports/muscle car, and more like driving a buick.

Nope.  My '66 was around 2600 pounds.  I'd rather have the new version with shoulder belts, air bags, disc brakes, fuel economy, sound dampening, etc.


If you don't want it any more, I'll take your '66.
 
2013-08-24 04:22:28 PM

Scrotastic Method: Hollie Maea: It's telling that Chrysler fans refer to their cars by the name of the company that sells spare parts.

For serious dude. For serious.

Chrysler is the only maker in America, maybe the world, where quality and value has gone down in the past ~10 years. From Edmunds' list of the 17 worst cars to buy: "Though dramatically improved in 2011, the Dodge Avenger is still the worst midsize sedan. " Even when they're doing good, they're the worst.


They have forty years of quality to catch up on.
 
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