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(NPR)   Well, we've had wine snobs for years, so now it's only natural we get beer snobs, or "Cicerones," as they want to be called   (npr.org) divider line 141
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2013-08-24 11:28:42 AM
I've known beer snobs for over 25 years.  Frequently accused of being one when I pass on crappy, mass-produced, pale, tasteless swill in favor of nearly anything else.
 
2013-08-24 11:32:29 AM
For god's sake, I can see using a sommelier to assist with selecting an expensive bottle of wine to pair with an expensive meal, but I'm fine with just trial and error to pick a pint of beer.
 
2013-08-24 11:51:01 AM
This must be one of those cases where the "fail" tag is for Subby.

/works with a cicerone
//she knows more about beer than any average Farker
 
2013-08-24 12:19:47 PM
Good friend of mine is a cicerone. She makes a lot of awesome homebrews, and she has a very good job at a very good restaurant picking their beers.
 
2013-08-24 03:38:51 PM

naughtyrev: Good friend of mine is a cicerone. She makes a lot of awesome homebrews, and she has a very good job at a very good restaurant picking their beers.


If you've got the palate for it, that could be a Farker's dream job
 
2013-08-24 04:02:27 PM
There have been beer snobs for a long time.  Hell, there are a good number of them on Fark.
 
2013-08-24 04:03:20 PM
Beer snob = oxymoron
 
2013-08-24 04:03:52 PM
I'm a beer snob in that I have specific tastes and like to experiment. I am a decent person in that I make no judgements based on your tastes and choices and will drink many things
 
2013-08-24 04:07:03 PM
Well, pork rinds go well with beer...wat?
 
2013-08-24 04:08:00 PM

zerkalo: I'm a beer snob in that I have specific tastes and like to experiment. I am a decent person in that I make no judgements based on your tastes and choices and will drink many things


I'll drink to that.
 
2013-08-24 04:08:13 PM
I'll never understand why the term cicerone was chosen. Italian beer is terrible.
 
2013-08-24 04:08:36 PM
I feel bad for beer drinkers in general, and especially bad for beer snobs. Poor things
 
2013-08-24 04:09:02 PM
The only thing I don't like is the name, makes me think of that Italian porn star/politician.
 
2013-08-24 04:10:04 PM
lets just call them douchnozzles
 
2013-08-24 04:10:16 PM
Otherwise known as Farkers.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:50 PM
I'm probably in the minority here, but I can't stand any beer with my food.  I just want water to cleanse my pallet.  Wine with food is ok, I don't know why.  I'll finish the food before going back to my beer.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:53 PM
In America, knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.
 
2013-08-24 04:12:28 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: I'll never understand why the term cicerone was chosen. Italian beer is terrible.


Apparently it's also a word for guide. Looked up the pronunciation (read it as chi-cheh-roh-neh in my head) but it's apparently pronounced as siss-ah-rohn. As someone with a frequently mispronounced Italian last name, it makes me twitchy.
 
2013-08-24 04:14:02 PM
What a beer snob may look like.

hipsterbeersnob.com
 
2013-08-24 04:14:41 PM

Doc Daneeka: In America, knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.


Not realizing that not everyone shares your preferences, and turning your nose up at those who consume products you don't personally enjoy = snobbery

But whatev
 
2013-08-24 04:15:07 PM

zerkalo: I'm a beer snob in that I have specific tastes and like to experiment. I am a decent person in that I make no judgements based on your tastes and choices and will drink many things


I think to be a snob you have to actively look down on others for their choices.

/have been called a snob even when I'm not looking down on what you want, just picking something I think is better for myself, and quietly too
 
2013-08-24 04:16:14 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: What a beer snob may look like.


Ha. In my experience, "beer snobs" are very particular about their cheap alcohol, but not as particular about their personal hygiene, fashion sense, or general grooming. Sad
 
2013-08-24 04:17:18 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: I'll never understand why the term cicerone was chosen. Italian beer is terrible.


I gotta stick up for Moretti and Peroni here. Two of my favorites. On a hot day in Rome, you would like one, too.

//fell for the troll
 
2013-08-24 04:17:37 PM
But what would be the term for a "soda snob"?

Carbone
 
2013-08-24 04:20:45 PM
When I see 10+ taps, I have to wonder how many are pumping stale beer.

Listening to the story, I very much appreciate them teaching how to recognize problems with draft beer.
 
2013-08-24 04:20:56 PM

Nabb1: For god's sake, I can see using a sommelier to assist with selecting an expensive bottle of wine to pair with an expensive meal, but I'm fine with just trial and error to pick a pint of beer.


Part of it is just that, with the markup on wine in a restaurant a good bottle is going to cost you a fair chunk of change.  And wine sold by the glass usually sucks, since the now open bottle just sits there spoiling until they serve it all.

Beer is easier to taste test.  It comes in single servings that usually only cost a few bucks each.  Get one you don't like?  No great loss.  Even still, I'm mostly clueless on the finer points of brewing so I'll sometimes just ask the bartender what he might suggest.  I figure he should have an idea about what's coming out of the tap.

Snobbery is all just a pissing contest to see who can compete for "most refined taste" which, after a certain point, just becomes who can shovel the most verbal bullcrap.  I mean God, there is one place in Los Angeles that even has a 'water sommelier'. Ugh.
 
2013-08-24 04:21:40 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: In America, knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.

Not realizing that not everyone shares your preferences, and turning your nose up at those who consume products you don't personally enjoy = snobbery

But whatev




That's not the way it's usually used around here.

People through the word "snob" around for anyone who has some knowledge and informed preferences, particularly if the preferences are for high-quality or less-common items.
 
2013-08-24 04:22:56 PM
I am tempted to call them a lot of things, but "Cicerones" is not one of them.
 
2013-08-24 04:23:07 PM
Alright, I'm a guy that just likes something that's better than Coors and enjoys Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada and Guinness. Not quite beer snob, because real beer snobs turn their noses up at those beers, but I just want something more flavorful than Bud or mediocre imports like Heineken.
 
2013-08-24 04:23:43 PM

Nabb1: For god's sake, I can see using a sommelier to assist with selecting an expensive bottle of wine to pair with an expensive meal, but I'm fine with just trial and error to pick a pint of beer.


Remind me to NEVER let you pick the beer to go with a good meal.  I'm sure you think a nice cold Keystone, Pabst or Bud Lite is just farking awesome and goes with any/every thing.
 
2013-08-24 04:25:04 PM

LeroyBourne: I'm probably in the minority here, but I can't stand any beer with my food.  I just want water to cleanse my pallet.  Wine with food is ok, I don't know why.  I'll finish the food before going back to my beer.


Maybe you should eat smaller portions. Anything that has to be delivered by fork-lift can't be all that good for you.
 
2013-08-24 04:26:52 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: I'll never understand why the term cicerone was chosen. Italian beer is terrible.


Likely the same reason coffee slingers demand to be called "baristas". It sounds all posh and elite.
 
2013-08-24 04:27:18 PM
A friend of mine is such a beer snob he actually won't drink "beer" any more as most pilsners and lagers are watery crap; ales, porters, & stouts is where the line starts.
 
2013-08-24 04:27:24 PM

Doc Daneeka: In America, On Fark knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.


FTFY

welcometofark.jpg
 
2013-08-24 04:27:41 PM

Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: In America, knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.

Not realizing that not everyone shares your preferences, and turning your nose up at those who consume products you don't personally enjoy = snobbery

But whatev

That's not the way it's usually used around here.

People through the word "snob" around for anyone who has some knowledge and informed preferences, particularly if the preferences are for high-quality or less-common items.


You sound frighteningly like a Hipster Beer Snob!

Listen, if you enjoy something for what it is, more power to you; but not everyone is willing to share your views about something. For example, I like Goth music, and I am particular to what bands I enjoy of that genre, but I am not going to turn my nose up at someone who doesn't like the same music I do.
 
2013-08-24 04:28:40 PM
I only drink the finest.

www.hahler.com
 
2013-08-24 04:28:46 PM

baconbeard: LeroyBourne: I'm probably in the minority here, but I can't stand any beer with my food.  I just want water to cleanse my pallet.  Wine with food is ok, I don't know why.  I'll finish the food before going back to my beer.

Maybe you should eat smaller portions. Anything that has to be delivered by fork-lift can't be all that good for you.


lol, whoops.
 
2013-08-24 04:29:17 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DarkSoulNoHope: What a beer snob may look like.

Ha. In my experience, "beer snobs" are very particular about their cheap alcohol, but not as particular about their personal hygiene, fashion sense, or general grooming. Sad


I think I'm starting to get a sense for who the real snob of this thread is, and it ain't any of the beer drinkers.

You sound like a real prick.
 
2013-08-24 04:29:21 PM

Dragonflew: TofuTheAlmighty: I'll never understand why the term cicerone was chosen. Italian beer is terrible.

Likely the same reason coffee slingers demand to be called "baristas". It sounds all posh and elite.


And this square pizza that is only different in the shape and costs twice as much but is the same in every other way?  Artisan.
 
2013-08-24 04:30:21 PM
No beer thread is complete without this:

minmaxsunt.files.wordpress.com

and more specifically this:

hadafewbeers.files.wordpress.com

/Currently drinking a bottle of the blue
 
2013-08-24 04:30:28 PM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: Well, pork rinds go well with beer...wat?


I misread that too.

www.myasiaoutlet.com
"Garcon, could we have some more water please?"
"And you, Pork Rind, what beer goes with chicken tenders and curly fries?"
 
2013-08-24 04:30:31 PM
Couple day program versus decades to become a Sommelier, seems pretty relaxed to me.
 
2013-08-24 04:30:32 PM
My sister went to an "olive oil tasting party" a few days ago. Yes, drinking ingredients is apparently a thing. And a hoity-toity one at that. Upon further investigation, I have found that there are pretentious olive oil tasting bars.

We should prepare ourselves for olive oil snobs next.
 
2013-08-24 04:30:57 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: This must be one of those cases where the "fail" tag is for Subby.

/works with a cicerone
//she knows more about beer than any average Farker


This ^

It's not being a beer snob to NOT want to drink piss. There are soooooo many great micro brews out there, and I will try them all if I can.

Not sure how anyone can compare this to a wine snob as it takes a true wine snob to actually care about the different kinds. Beer lovers just love all beer...except the piss ones
 
2013-08-24 04:34:02 PM
cdn.cstatic.net

"Does this go well with an IPA?"

"It goes well with all letters: IPA, CSI, PTA, IRS, HMO, OMG... "
 
2013-08-24 04:34:26 PM
DarkSoulNoHope:  For example, I like Goth music

WTF is Goth music? Seriously? Did you just invent a genre?

/I know this isn't a music thread
//But holy Fark....Goth music?
 
2013-08-24 04:34:50 PM
I've known several beer snobs. They don't hold a candle to pot snobs. "I only smoke OG Kush." Shaddap fool
 
2013-08-24 04:35:40 PM
stoplikingwhatidontlike.jpg.
 
2013-08-24 04:35:56 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Doc Daneeka: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Doc Daneeka: In America, knowing things about things, or having any kind of preferences for the products we consume, or refusing to put any old shiat in our bodies = "snobbery"

Gotcha.

Not realizing that not everyone shares your preferences, and turning your nose up at those who consume products you don't personally enjoy = snobbery

But whatev

That's not the way it's usually used around here.

People through the word "snob" around for anyone who has some knowledge and informed preferences, particularly if the preferences are for high-quality or less-common items.

You sound frighteningly like a Hipster Beer Snob!

Listen, if you enjoy something for what it is, more power to you; but not everyone is willing to share your views about something. For example, I like Goth music, and I am particular to what bands I enjoy of that genre, but I am not going to turn my nose up at someone who doesn't like the same music I do.




Where did I say anything about what other people like???

This is where most of the "snobbery" accusations come from. Someone will state that they like microbrew/craft brew X, and other people immediately get all defensive, as if a stated preference for X over Budweiser was a personal attack on them and on America.
 
2013-08-24 04:37:21 PM
Meh. I just don't like shiatty beer. If that's a 'snob'... then so be it.
 
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