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(Headlines & Global News)   Hospital sues parents of 10-year-old cancer patient after they stop chemotherapy treatments, fearing that they'll make her infertile. Prior to the stop she had an 85 percent change of survival   (hngn.com) divider line 106
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2013-08-24 11:10:53 AM
Being dead makes you infertile, as well.
 
2013-08-24 11:16:02 AM

Steve Zodiac: Being dead makes you infertile, as well.


Oh so this.

Besides, what 11 year old girl is thinking of having babies?  Seems to me the parents placed that idea in her head because they want grand children.

I do have to sympathize with her on the unpleasantness of chemo.  I have never had it, but multiple family members have and it's not fun at all.
 
2013-08-24 11:35:31 AM
She has cancer at age 10... why would they want that DNA passed down to future generations?
 
2013-08-24 11:55:08 AM

Steve Zodiac: Being dead makes you infertile, as well.


And since when do 10 year-olds get to decide their own medical treatments???
 
2013-08-24 11:56:27 AM
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2013-08-24 12:04:23 PM
"The court cannot deprive these parents of their right to make medical decisions for their daughter because there is not a scintilla of evidence showing the parents are unfit," Lohn wrote on July 31. "

Hang on a sec, it's round here somewhere

"The Hershberger's decided they would stop chemotherapy treatments and give their daughter a regiment of herbal supplements and vitamins instead"

There you go, that's pretty farking conclusive evidence right there
 
2013-08-24 01:49:53 PM
Mmmmm, I wonder what Libertarians would say on this.

"Let the kid go without treatment because the parents and child don't like chemotherapy."
 
2013-08-24 03:25:39 PM

BizarreMan: Steve Zodiac: Being dead makes you infertile, as well.

Oh so this.

Besides, what 11 year old girl is thinking of having babies?  Seems to me the parents placed that idea in her head because they want grand children.

I do have to sympathize with her on the unpleasantness of chemo.  I have never had it, but multiple family members have and it's not fun at all.


Considering that it is a religion one is all but exclusively born into, and that large families are the key to the faith's survival, yeah.  She might as well be dead if she can't have kids.
 
2013-08-24 03:32:45 PM

clancifer: She has cancer at age 10... why would they want that DNA passed down to future generations?


WHat does it matter?  Her cousins already carry the same DNA.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-24 03:36:10 PM
Well, what's the point of living if you can't fulfill God's plan for you to be an impoverished baby machine?
 
2013-08-24 03:50:46 PM
I don't think the hospital has a case here at all. But I would suggest that if and when the girl dies from the disease (let's hope that doesn't happen, but let's be realistic too), the parents are held responsible for negligent homicide.

/F*ck cancer
 
2013-08-24 03:51:09 PM

clancifer: She has cancer at age 10... why would they want that DNA passed down to future generations?


from your profile: Ethics: 0% Conservative, 100% Liberal
 
2013-08-24 03:53:32 PM
What is she complaining about, an 85% chance of survival is amazing compared to the rest of our 0%.
 
2013-08-24 03:53:50 PM
I've never been through chemotherapy (knock on wood), but I do know that there is an ethic in hospitals that all patients deserve pain treatment. That's very basic. Is there anything they could do for her pain while she was receiving chemotherapy? It seemed like the infertility was a consideration but that pain was, as well.
 
2013-08-24 03:54:59 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: "The court cannot deprive these parents of their right to make medical decisions for their daughter because there is not a scintilla of evidence showing the parents are unfit," Lohn wrote on July 31. "

Hang on a sec, it's round here somewhere

"The Hershberger's decided they would stop chemotherapy treatments and give their daughter a regiment of herbal supplements and vitamins instead"

There you go, that's pretty farking conclusive evidence right there


So will these herbs be wearing little uniforms and marching in formation?  "journalism"
 
2013-08-24 04:00:00 PM
Wow! Well, never fear, Jezus/Obamcare/Welfare/Deadbeats United/ will take care of the issue.

hahahahahahahaha.
 
2013-08-24 04:02:09 PM

You made me RTFA, Subby.  I couldn't tell who stopped the cancer treatments, the parents or the hospital.


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2013-08-24 04:02:32 PM
Some day chemotherapy will be looked upon as the barbaric treatment it is. It will be laughed at like blood letting.

That day cannot come too soon. But the money says that day will be long in coming.
 
2013-08-24 04:02:37 PM
85% change of survival? So 1% to 1.85%
 
2013-08-24 04:03:31 PM

BizarreMan: Steve Zodiac: Being dead makes you infertile, as well.

Oh so this.

Besides, what 11 year old girl is thinking of having babies?  Seems to me the parents placed that idea in her head because they want grand children.

I do have to sympathize with her on the unpleasantness of chemo.  I have never had it, but multiple family members have and it's not fun at all.


maybe it is better to let her  pass on than to spead her genes
 
2013-08-24 04:06:50 PM
It's all in the words you use to trick the amish.  Say, 'you know you're taking a gamble on your daughters life', then just watch the sweat collect on their brows.
 
2013-08-24 04:07:59 PM

leadmetal: Some day chemotherapy will be looked upon as the barbaric treatment it is. It will be laughed at like blood letting.

That day cannot come too soon. But the money says that day will be long in coming.


I can't wait for Star Trek sick bay type treatments.

Hopefully not to deal with people turning into giant space salamanders and mating.
 
2013-08-24 04:08:18 PM
Actually, TFA says- twice- the parents stopped b/c they couldn't stand the anguishing pain their daughter was in. It also says that the DAUGHTER was afraid it would make her infertile.

But by all means, let's submit and approve the erroneous/misleading headline.
 
2013-08-24 04:09:19 PM

desertgeek: I don't think the hospital has a case here at all. But I would suggest that if and when the girl dies from the disease (let's hope that doesn't happen, but let's be realistic too), the parents are held responsible for negligent homicide.

/F*ck cancer


bb

So...because a doctor says that his way is the only way, not complying is reason for manslaughter charges
 
2013-08-24 04:10:01 PM
Ermagerd! Hershbergers!
 
2013-08-24 04:10:36 PM
Oh what the fark.....
 
2013-08-24 04:11:03 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: "The court cannot deprive these parents of their right to make medical decisions for their daughter because there is not a scintilla of evidence showing the parents are unfit," Lohn wrote on July 31. "

Hang on a sec, it's round here somewhere

"The Hershberger's decided they would stop chemotherapy treatments and give their daughter a regiment of herbal supplements and vitamins instead"

There you go, that's pretty farking conclusive evidence right there


Parents like this should not be allowed to breed. If only there was a way to identify them before they did.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:04 PM

vpb: Well, what's the point of living if you can't fulfill God's plan for you to be an impoverished baby machine?


Apparently, God's plan was for her to get cancer, so they showed a lack of faith by bringing her to the hospital in the first place. Someone should ask them why they interfered with His will.

Feel sorry for the girl, though. It's not her fault her parents are crazy morons.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:22 PM
It sounds like the parents are supporting the kid's decision.

Has she been baptized? It's her life and her choice.
 
2013-08-24 04:12:35 PM

ringo2: It sounds like the parents are supporting the kid's decision.

Has she been baptized? It's her life and her choice.


They're Jews, numbnuts
 
2013-08-24 04:13:27 PM

AirForceVet: Mmmmm, I wonder what Libertarians would say on this.

"Let the kid go without treatment because the parents and child don't like chemotherapy."


It's a free country. They can't force you to get chemotherapy, yet.
 
2013-08-24 04:13:28 PM

dpzum1: So...because a doctor says that his way is the only way, not complying is reason for manslaughter charges


You're right. Magical thinking and woo should be treated equally to valid science.
 
2013-08-24 04:15:52 PM

ringo2: It sounds like the parents are supporting the kid's decision.

Has she been baptized? It's her life and her choice.


So if she hasn't been baptized (and she hasn't yet, though the Mormons will convert her corpse next year), it's not her choice?
 
2013-08-24 04:15:59 PM
It sounds like a more complicated situation than the headline implies -- the girl has tumors in several places and is in agonizing pain. It's really, really hard to watch your child be in that much pain, even if intellectually you know it means a greater chance of a cure in the end. I'm not saying what the parents are doing is correct, but I can kind of see why they would at least want her to take a break. And considering that I know a few ten-year-old girls (from small families) who love babies, are looking forward to babysitting, and enjoy writing lists of hypothetical names for their future babies, there's nothing unlikely about a ten-year-old being worried about her chances of having children later.  FWIW, I know a woman who was diagnosed with leukemia at five and who underwent treatment for several years, and who's pregnant with her third, so it's not inevitable.
 
2013-08-24 04:17:38 PM

leadmetal: Some day chemotherapy will be looked upon as the barbaric treatment it is. It will be laughed at like blood letting.


What is this, the Dark Ages?
 
2013-08-24 04:17:58 PM

BSABSVR: dpzum1: So...because a doctor says that his way is the only way, not complying is reason for manslaughter charges

You're right. Magical thinking and woo should be treated equally to valid science.


Chemo is science. Guess who the guinea pigs are?
 
2013-08-24 04:18:40 PM

BizarreMan: Besides, what 11 year old girl is thinking of having babies?


I'd answer the question, but I do not want to have to take a seat right over there.
 
2013-08-24 04:22:44 PM
Docs say she had and 85% chance of survival, and there's only a 10% chance of that.
 
2013-08-24 04:23:39 PM
Even if they can pay it how is this not extortion?
 
2013-08-24 04:25:54 PM
Why are people so endlessly concerned with other people's kids?
 
2013-08-24 04:26:33 PM

brimed03: Actually, TFA says- twice- the parents stopped b/c they couldn't stand the anguishing pain their daughter was in. It also says that the DAUGHTER was afraid it would make her infertile.

But by all means, let's submit and approve the erroneous/misleading headline.


Yeah cause hospitals don't give pain meds to cancer patients and 10 year olds totally care about having kids. Suuuuure. Nope it's the parents being coonts,jesus just take one of her ovaries out and freeze it or something.
 
2013-08-24 04:27:43 PM

BSABSVR: dpzum1: So...because a doctor says that his way is the only way, not complying is reason for manslaughter charges

You're right. Magical thinking and woo should be treated equally to valid science.


Oh it totally should that way idiots can kill themselves with garbage and other people get real treatments from actual doctors.
 
2013-08-24 04:29:44 PM
Let the kid die as the parents wish. It would be one less snowflake to take care of.
/not serious
 
2013-08-24 04:32:23 PM

A Terrible Human: brimed03: Actually, TFA says- twice- the parents stopped b/c they couldn't stand the anguishing pain their daughter was in. It also says that the DAUGHTER was afraid it would make her infertile.

But by all means, let's submit and approve the erroneous/misleading headline.

Yeah cause hospitals don't give pain meds to cancer patients and 10 year olds totally care about having kids. Suuuuure. Nope it's the parents being coonts,jesus just take one of her ovaries out and freeze it or something.


Pain meds only do so much. After that it's a choice of drugging someone into a coma.
 
2013-08-24 04:37:16 PM

brimed03: It also says that the DAUGHTER was afraid it would make her infertile.



In the Amish community, being an infertile woman really is a fate worse than death.

Whether the cancer kills her or not, I expect she'll end up dead within the next few years, because the family isn't going to take the chance of selling marrying off an infertile daughter.
 
2013-08-24 04:37:27 PM
This one is a bit of  a sticky wicket.  The hospital has a legit point on the girl's survival chances .
The parents also have a legit concern about the pain their daughter was in and i am not familiar enough on the risks to fertility chemo poses so i shall decline to comment on that leaving it to someone with more knowledge on the matter.

While i disagree with the parent's choice of treatments i really don't have enough information to judge.
 
2013-08-24 04:39:19 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: They're Jews, numbnuts

Um, no. They're Amish.  Perhaps you were confused by the headgear.

Adolescents who have not yet been baptized get cut considerable slack when it comes to following church teachings (see: "rumspringa").  She's not obligated to reject modern medicine (and even if she were a full-fledged member of the church, there are exceptions for life-threatening conditions).

While I'm at it, It's not that they want grandchildren.  Very unlikely that she is their only child.

It sounds like she's just in too much pain to continue, and not afraid of letting nature take its course. Try translating "will of Jesus" to "zen-like acceptance" if that will make it more palatable for you.
 
2013-08-24 04:41:24 PM

AirForceVet: Mmmmm, I wonder what Libertarians would say on this.

"Let the kid go without treatment because the parents and child don't like chemotherapy."


Yes.  Speaking as someone who calls himself libertarian, this is exactly correct.  It's a stupid choice, but I'm not going to force the "right" choice on them.  I believe in personal responsibility.  I believe the parents are responsible for that child.  I believe that I am personally responsible to argue the decision with them if I ever meet them.  I do not believe that it's the government's job to act as nanny.
 
2013-08-24 04:42:00 PM

MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Why are people so endlessly concerned with other people's kids?


Because a just society should not let religious nutbags kill their children because Jesus.

Not that I'm saying that's what happening in this case, though.
 
2013-08-24 04:46:24 PM
I'm in the girl and the family's corner, here.  She doesn't want the treatment and the parents don't want to see her suffer.  All affected parties are in agreement that the treatment should not continue.  Yes, this will likely lead to her death.  Even as such, this is a private decision, and the hospital has no right to intervene.

People have a right to live, but they should also be allowed to die, if they so choose.  That she is a minor is beside the point, given her parents are supporting the decision.  I don't believe the hospital has done enough to convince the parents to continue on with the treatment.  Hell, I personally could probably convince the parents to continue the treatment, and I'm no grief counselor.

Taking this business to court is a dick move, and in their position I would resent the hell out of the hospital.  At this point, it would just seem to the parents that they're being bullied into losing custody of their daughter; and that is any parent's worst nightmare.
 
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