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(Global Post)   Syria: So we were just walking around Damascus and we stumbled upon these rebel tunnels, and wouldn't you know it, we found a whole bunch of chemical weapons just laying there, proving we didn't gas anyone. Funny how that worked out, ain't it?   (globalpost.com) divider line 135
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2013-08-24 10:21:31 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Amos Quito, I feel the need to help you out.

Just show up to these threads and say, 'the Jews did it' - and then leave.  You'll save yourself, and all the rest of us, an enormous amount of time.


/were you a toothache in a past life?



So what do you think, neighborhood watch?

What is Israel's long-term game plan here? I mean, the Jerusalem Post has just acknowledged that Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda, which of course is VERY bad news for Assad... but what will they do when they "win"?

Doesn't sound like an "easy fix", does it?
 
2013-08-24 10:32:03 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: Infernalist: Like him or hate him, this President knows how to do foreign policy.

That's damned funny.


A post where you didn't use the words "community organizer." Well done
 
2013-08-24 10:36:12 PM  

Amos Quito: Neighborhood Watch: Amos Quito, I feel the need to help you out.

Just show up to these threads and say, 'the Jews did it' - and then leave.  You'll save yourself, and all the rest of us, an enormous amount of time.


/were you a toothache in a past life?


So what do you think, neighborhood watch?

What is Israel's long-term game plan here? I mean, the Jerusalem Post has just acknowledged that Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda, which of course is VERY bad news for Assad... but what will they do when they "win"?

Doesn't sound like an "easy fix", does it?


From your article "The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers."

How did you get "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda" out of that?
 
2013-08-24 10:52:44 PM  

21-7-b: Amos Quito: Neighborhood Watch: Amos Quito, I feel the need to help you out.

Just show up to these threads and say, 'the Jews did it' - and then leave.  You'll save yourself, and all the rest of us, an enormous amount of time.


/were you a toothache in a past life?


So what do you think, neighborhood watch?

What is Israel's long-term game plan here? I mean, the Jerusalem Post has just acknowledged that Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda, which of course is VERY bad news for Assad... but what will they do when they "win"?

Doesn't sound like an "easy fix", does it?

From your article "The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers."

How did you get "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda" out of that?



From the Jerusalem Post article: "The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said."


That Al Qaeda is neck deep in opposing AssadCo is  - how do you say - common knowledge?


/ Just ask your pal Tatterdemalian
// Never-ending war
/// It's a gas
 
2013-08-24 10:56:43 PM  

Amos Quito: 21-7-b: Amos Quito: Neighborhood Watch: Amos Quito, I feel the need to help you out.

Just show up to these threads and say, 'the Jews did it' - and then leave.  You'll save yourself, and all the rest of us, an enormous amount of time.


/were you a toothache in a past life?


So what do you think, neighborhood watch?

What is Israel's long-term game plan here? I mean, the Jerusalem Post has just acknowledged that Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda, which of course is VERY bad news for Assad... but what will they do when they "win"?

Doesn't sound like an "easy fix", does it?

From your article "The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers."

How did you get "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda" out of that?


From the Jerusalem Post article: "The rebels were trained for several months in a training camp on the Jordanian-Syrian border by CIA operatives, as well as Jordanian and Israeli commandos, the paper said."


That Al Qaeda is neck deep in opposing AssadCo is  - how do you say - common knowledge?


/ Just ask your pal Tatterdemalian
// Never-ending war
/// It's a gas


From your article "The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers."

How did you get "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda" out of that?

Was there any truth to it, or did you just make it up?
 
2013-08-24 11:01:40 PM  

Reporters without Borders honors journalist and activist Mazen Darwish for his tireless engagement for freedom of expression in Syria. Since February, he has been held in a Syrian prison and reportedly tortured.

"In Syria, being a journalist is like walking through a minefield," said Mazen Darwish in a March 2011 interview in Damascus. There are many taboos, Darwish added, including now well-known political issues, human rights violations or the nature of the governing regime.

But Darwish also referenced other, less visible lines that journalists dare not cross, saying, "Nobody can tell when a mine is going to explode."

The 38-year-old reporter knows that all too well, having spent eight years fighting for free expression in Syria without caving to pressure from the government. At the end of 2004, he founded the Syrian Center for Media and Freedom of Expression (SCM). The SCM fought for journalists' rights and supported them in disputes with Syrian authorities through February 2012, when Darwish and several of his colleagues were arrested.

The SCM regularly published reports on free speech violations and on the working conditions Syrian journalists face. The group also collected and publicized cases of bloggers and other figures active in media who had gone missing. Finally, the SCM advocated reforming media law in Syria.

Darwish says Syrian leaders were hostile to civil society
The Munich-based Roland Berger Foundation honored Mazen Darwish and two other activists in 2011 with its Roland Berger Human Dignity Award. The foundation praised what it called Darwish's tireless efforts in support of press freedom and free speech.

In the past, Darwish tried to register the SCM in Syria as a non-governmental organization, but without success. He said that Syrian government leaders were extremely sensitive to, if not even hostile to, NGOs and other activities within civil society.

"It's as if you were committing some huge sin," Darwish said of authorities' suspicion.

Again and again, Syrian officials tried to disrupt the SCM's work, closing the center on a number of occasions. Darwish was also bullied by the state. He was imprisoned multiple times, had to check in with security authorities and was prevented from leaving the country. Nonetheless, he continued to promote his cause.

"I grew up in a political family," he said in reference to his perseverance. His father was persecuted for years on political grounds, and his mother was active in a number of pro-Palestinian organizations.

"When I finished my law studies, I went abroad for a while - to the Gulf states and to Europe. In France and in Germany, I got to know the work of civil society and democratic thinking," he said.

Those experiences led him to promote similar approaches in Syria.

Syria has been rocked by a rebel uprising since early 2011
Since the rebellion against President Bashar Assad's dictatorship began in early 2011, Syrian journalists and human rights activists live in more danger than before. Reporters Without Borders reports that 17 journalists have been killed this year in Syria, and that 21 have been arrested. The latter group includes Mazen Darwish, who serves as director of the Syrian Center for Media and Freedom of Expression.

On February 16, 2012, security forces stormed the SCM's office in Damascus, arresting Mazen Darwish and fellow activists. Where he has been held since is unknown. Contact with the outside world is prohibited, but Reporters Without Borders has obtained information that Darwish is being tortured and in a troubling state of health.

The SCM's Facebook page now displays a picture of Darwish along with fellow imprisoned activists. The journalist's friends and colleagues as well as Arab and international NGOs are demanding his release.


Mazen opposes Assad. Is he Al Qaeda?
 
2013-08-24 11:16:03 PM  

21-7-b: That Al Qaeda is neck deep in opposing AssadCo is - how do you say - common knowledge?


/ Just ask your pal Tatterdemalian
// Never-ending war
/// It's a gas

From your article "The first group of 300 handpicked Free Syrian Army soldiers."

How did you get "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda" out of that?

Was there any truth to it, or did you just make it up?



Oh, so you want to play stupid? Fine.

Meyer: US military intervention in Syria would help al Qaeda

QUOTE:

Syria expert Günter Meyer warns of a US military intervention in Syria and says it would only strengthen al Qaeda's position in the war-torn country.

DW: What's the likelihood for a US military intervention in Syria at the moment?

Günter Meyer:
A US military intervention is highly unlikely. That is apparent in President Barack Obama's very careful statements. On the other hand, US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey has urgently warned about a military intervention. Even though it's possible to intervene right now, there is no exit strategy. The risk is very high that - once the regime has been toppled - power will fall to Islamists, namely al Qaeda fighters. After the Syrian army, they are by far the greatest military power in the country.


END QUOTE

See also the New York Times and others.

doblelol.com

"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists - or you're with us AND the terrorists - or maybe you're against us, and with the terrorists, or maybe you're against us and the terrorists - And you can quote me on that."

--George W. Obama
 
2013-08-24 11:26:55 PM  
It's amazing how the rebels can sneak hundreds of 3 meter long chemical rockets so large they need to be transported on trucks, onto a heavily fortified mountain base garrisoned by the Syrian Army and known to contain chemical weapons, then launch those chemical rockets onto their own positions alongside a series of air strikes and artillery barrages from the Syrian Army on those exact same areas.

Seriously this is a no-brainer people.  This was Assad.  To deny it was the Syrian government is like denying that Al-Qaeda did 9/11.  All the evidence is there in plain sight.
 
2013-08-24 11:30:13 PM  

21-7-b: Mazen opposes Assad. Is he Al Qaeda?



Stalin opposed Hitler. Was he pro-democracy?
 
2013-08-24 11:32:01 PM  

bbcrackmonkey: It's amazing how the rebels can sneak hundreds of 3 meter long chemical rockets so large they need to be transported on trucks, onto a heavily fortified mountain base garrisoned by the Syrian Army and known to contain chemical weapons, then launch those chemical rockets onto their own positions alongside a series of air strikes and artillery barrages from the Syrian Army on those exact same areas.

Seriously this is a no-brainer people.  This was Assad.  To deny it was the Syrian government is like denying that Al-Qaeda did 9/11.  All the evidence is there in plain sight.



Yes, because EVERYONE KNOWS that chemical weapons require rockets in order to be effective.

Or do they?
 
2013-08-24 11:36:01 PM  
So, no evidence at all regarding "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda"?
 
2013-08-24 11:36:43 PM  
Chemical weapons require a delivery system.  I'd be more than happy to show you a detailed analysis of the rockets used in the chemical attacks inside Syria if you want links.  They're locally manufactured in Syria in the hundreds as per their numbering system, tube fired, have Russian-made air-burst fuses, and are designed to deliver a large payload.  They were probably originally designed as fuel-air explosives (or FAE) but were converted to have chemical payloads, likely using Tabun or Sarin nerve gas, which would match the symptoms of the people suffering from the attacks.

I'm not advocating that we depose Assad.  I honestly don't know what the best course of action is here :-(
 
2013-08-24 11:40:14 PM  
http://rogueadventurer.com/2013/08/25/preliminary-analysis-of-alleged - cw-munitions-used-in-syria/ 

Because of the proliferation of cellphones, journalists who collect, translate, and compile the information on the ground can rapidly find out what's happening.

To summarize the analysis of these munitions:
1.) It is likely a non-standard munition, not widely used or manufactured, but likely not an 'improvised' munition; its construction is uniform and sophisticated
2.) It is likely a tube-launched munition;
3.) It appears to have a diameter of approximately 300mm or more at its widest points (warhead base plate and tail fin assembly), and a total length of at least 2800mm.
4.) The nature of the design means they are unlikely to be particularly long-range, nor particularly accurate.
5.) The numbering system indicates they are produced at least in the hundreds
6.) The detonator type indicates they are likely air burst munitions, detonating before they strike the ground
7.) They are designed to deliver a large volume payload, probably originally for fuel-air explosives, but could have been modified for a chemical payload
8.) The munitions in the videos and pictures appear to have functioned and delivered their payload 
9.) The impact craters around the munitions are quite small, which rules out a large HE (high explosive) charge, but possibly indicating a smaller HE charge combined with a secondary, non-explosive payload.
 
2013-08-24 11:46:29 PM  

21-7-b: So, no evidence at all regarding "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda"?


i1121.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-24 11:54:06 PM  
Oh no, a guy who has just proved he likes to talk out of his ass is directing his ass talking to me. I'm sure to give his attempt to belittle me a lot of weight
 
2013-08-25 12:00:38 AM  

21-7-b: Oh no, a guy who has just proved he likes to talk out of his ass is directing his ass talking to me. I'm sure to give his attempt to belittle me a lot of weight



You ask questions, you get answers with cites, and you ignore them because they don't suit your agenda.

It's a pity that you and those of your ilk are not a rarity.
 
2013-08-25 12:02:09 AM  
You haven't provided the slightest evidence that "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda." You talk out of your ass
 
2013-08-25 12:25:25 AM  
I herd they got teh yellow cake from the Nigeria and such.

This all sounds totally legit.

WMDs FTW
 
2013-08-25 12:33:01 AM  
You can make the stuff in a bathroom. As long as you don't give a damn about quality or safety.
 
2013-08-25 12:40:41 AM  

21-7-b: You haven't provided the slightest evidence that "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda." You talk out of your ass



Heh!

DERP!


Just to throw fuel on the fire of your Hasbarat squirm, what do you make of this,  21-7-b?

 Israel says Syria regime used chemical weapons

QUOTE

JERUSALEM: Israeli Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Wednesday that the Syrian government had used chemical weapons, backing opposition claims of multiple deadly strikes around Damascus.

"In Syria, the regime has used chemical weapons and it's not the first time," Yaalon told Israeli defence correspondents.
"It's a life and death struggle between a regime based on the Alawite minority and a disparate opposition composed of Sunni Muslims, some Muslim Brotherhood members, others linked to Al-Qaeda.

"We don't see any end to the fighting -- even the fall of (President Bashar) al-Assad won't bring it to a halt, there will a bloody settling of accounts over a long period," the minister said.

"We could see the implosion of Syria with the Alawites controlling the western part -- the coastal region and a corridor to Damascus -- and the Kurds and Sunnis controlling the east and north."

The head of research at Israeli military intelligence, Brigadier General Itai Brun, already said in April that he believed the Syrian regime had made use of its chemical weapons stockpiles against the rebels.

Syria's main opposition group accused the government of "massacring" more than 1,300 people in chemical weapons attacks near Damascus on Wednesday, saying many of the victims choked to death.

The accusation came as a team of UN inspectors was in Syria to probe previous allegations of chemical weapons strikes levelled against both sides during the 29-month conflict.

Western governments demanded immediate access for the inspectors to investigate the new allegations. Russia, a longstanding ally of the Damascus regime, echoed the call for an inquiry but said it suspected a "provocation" by the opposition and its foreign backers.

END QUOTE

Whar "evidence"? Whar?

And back to the thrust of my argument: WTF do YOU suppose Izzy's strategy will be in dealing with the outcome - they are clearly backing the "rebels" (including Al Qaeda) to shiat-can Assad - but what WILL you do about those that displace him?

Are you planning to insert a Mubarak-like puppet, or what?

Wait, why am I asking YOU?

Hell, you can't even formulate a cogent discussion on Fark, lol!


/Derp on, 21-7-b
 
2013-08-25 01:20:55 AM  
Just because you underline, embolden or enlarge the words "al qaeda" does not support the claim that you pulled out of your ass that "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda."

You just make yourself look extremely naive, which I guess you are what with your various fixations.

If I had a dog, which I don't at the moment, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that animal was aware of the fact that there were al qaeda fighters in syria - You haven't stumbled on some super-secret conspiracy with that. The fact that you seem to think you have shows how naive you are. The fact that you jump from something anyone with even the slightest understanding of events in syria knows - even if you don't know that - to your claim "Israel, the Mossad and the CIA are backing Al Qaeda," your desire to stand by the claim at all costs, and your total inability to back it up, shows how desperate you are

It's ok.
 
2013-08-25 01:23:43 AM  

21-7-b: The argument is to arm some of those groups fighting Assad - not all of them. I haven't seen anyone argue that we should arm the Al Qaeda affiliated groups. The argument is that we could supply arms that we could prevent falling into the hands of al qaeda affiliated groups


By those who want to pretend there's something we can do to improve the situation.  That doesn't mean it works.
 
2013-08-25 02:05:49 AM  

Loren: 21-7-b: The argument is to arm some of those groups fighting Assad - not all of them. I haven't seen anyone argue that we should arm the Al Qaeda affiliated groups. The argument is that we could supply arms that we could prevent falling into the hands of al qaeda affiliated groups

By those who want to pretend there's something we can do to improve the situation.  That doesn't mean it works.


I think know what you mean: There are already a lot of people trying to improve the situation, and so far it's people trying to improve the situation, each from their own point of view, that has got us to where we are, which is a mess. That's why I think we need to choose against both the bloody tyrant and the bloodthristy fanatics, both of whom can only govern through repression
 
2013-08-25 08:45:09 AM  

Amos Quito: tirob: Syrian information minister says that his country has never used chemical weapons.

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-regime-never-used-chemical-weapons-mini st er-185932294.html

I hope you're telling the truth, Mr. al-Zohbi.


Whether or not he's telling "the truth" is irrelevant.



I think that the truth has a good bit of relevance here.
 
2013-08-25 08:56:31 AM  

Amos Quito: Ambivalence: Where the hell would rebels even get chemical weapons? It's not like you can order them from Amazon (you can't, right?).

That's not suspicious at ALL.


Well, they could have gotten them from any number of places.


Could have.  Really.

We don't even know if the rebels ever *did* have chemical weapons, and you're already speculating where they got them from.
 
2013-08-25 09:53:37 AM  

Amos Quito: [As an aside, I guess that means that paying federal taxes in the US is now illegal - as our tax dollars are going to support "terrorist organizations", and supporting terrorist organizations is a SYRIAS crime]

That reminds me, I need to call my accountant.


If you earn enough money to be subject to federal tax liability, and if you plan on not filing or underpaying based on this logic, I don't think that an accountant is going to be of much help to you.  What you would need is a lawyer who specializes in defending people accused of criminal tax fraud.

Best of luck whatever you decide.
 
2013-08-25 06:47:35 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito: Ambivalence: Where the hell would rebels even get chemical weapons? It's not like you can order them from Amazon (you can't, right?).

That's not suspicious at ALL.


Well, they could have gotten them from any number of places.

Could have.  Really.

We don't even know if the rebels ever *did* have chemical weapons, and you're already speculating where they got them from.



Japan Times - July 10, 2013 (please note the date)

Russia says Syrian rebels produced sarin, used it in attack


UNITED NATIONS - Russia's U.N. ambassador said Tuesday that Russian experts determined that Syrian rebels made sarin nerve gas and used it in a deadly chemical weapon attack outside Aleppo in March.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin blamed opposition fighters for the March 19 attack in the government-controlled Aleppo suburb of Khan al-Assal, which he said killed 26 people, including 16 military personnel, and injured 86 others.

The rebels have blamed the government for the attack. The U.S., Britain and France have said they have seen no evidence to indicate that the opposition has acquired or used chemical weapons.

In Washington, White House spokesman Jay Carney said, "We have yet to see any evidence that backs up the assertion that anybody besides the Syrian government has had the ability to use chemical weapons or has used chemical weapons."

Churkin told reporters after delivering an 80-page report to Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon that the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad asked Russia, its closest ally, to investigate the attack after a U.N. team of chemical weapons experts was unable to enter the country in a dispute over the probe's scope.

Acting U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Rosemary DiCarlo said Assad should now allow U.N. chemical weapons experts into the country to conduct an investigation of the Khan al-Assal incident as well as other allegations, by the U.S., U.K., and France, of chemical weapons use in the conflict.
The samples taken from the impact site of the gas-laden projectile were analyzed at a Russian laboratory certified by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Churkin said.

He said the analysis showed that the unguided Basha'ir-3 rocket that hit Khan al-Assal was not a military-standard chemical weapon.
Churkin said the results indicate it "was not industrially manufactured and was filled with sarin." He said the samples indicated the sarin and the projectile were produced in makeshift "cottage industry" conditions, and the projectile "is not a standard one for chemical use."

The absence of chemical stabilizers, which are needed for long-term storage and later use, indicated its "possibly recent production," Churkin said.

"Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was the armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal," Churkin said.

"According to information at our disposal," he added, "the production of Basha'ir-3 unguided projectiles was started in February 2013 by the so-called Basha'ir al-Nasr brigade affiliated with the Free Syrian Army."

But I'm sure your outraged Syrian "friends" know more - bekuz they're Syrians.
 
2013-08-25 07:35:46 PM  

Amos Quito: tirob:

We don't even know if the rebels ever *did* have chemical weapons, and you're already speculating where they got them from.

Japan Times [story]

"Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was the armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal," Churkin said.

But I'm sure your outraged Syrian "friends" know more - bekuz they're Syrians.


I don't know if my outraged Syrian sources know more than a Russian diplomat, no.  Or whether that diplomat is telling the truth.  I will concede that this is what I mean when I say evidence.  So I guess that means I need to provide evidence too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21841217
(dated March 13, 2013)

The rebel side accused the Syrian government of being behind the Khan al-Assal attack:

Quote:  Senior rebel and spokesman for the Higher Military Council in Aleppo Qassim Saadeddine said the government had carried out a chemical attack.

"We were hearing reports from early this morning about a regime attack on Khan al-Assal, and we believe they fired a Scud with chemical agents," he told Reuters news agency.

"Then suddenly we learned that the regime was turning these reports against us. The rebels were not behind this attack."

The Aleppo Media Centre, which is affiliated to the rebels, said there had been cases of "suffocation and poison'' among civilians in Khan al-Assal after a surface-to-surface missile was fired at the area.

It said this was "most likely" due to use of "poisonous gases" by government forces.

Close quote

Also according to this source, "both a chemical weapons monitoring body and the US said there was no evidence [chemical weapons] had been used."

Dated 19 March 2013
 
2013-08-25 07:39:44 PM  
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21841217
(dated March 13, 2013)

Should read:  (dated March 19, 2013)
 
2013-08-25 09:04:29 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito: tirob:

We don't even know if the rebels ever *did* have chemical weapons, and you're already speculating where they got them from.

Japan Times [story]

"Therefore, there is every reason to believe that it was the armed opposition fighters who used the chemical weapons in Khan al-Assal," Churkin said.

But I'm sure your outraged Syrian "friends" know more - bekuz they're Syrians.

I don't know if my outraged Syrian sources know more than a Russian diplomat, no.  Or whether that diplomat is telling the truth.  I will concede that this is what I mean when I say evidence.  So I guess that means I need to provide evidence too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21841217
(dated March 13, 2013)

The rebel side accused the Syrian government of being behind the Khan al-Assal attack:

Quote:  Senior rebel and spokesman for the Higher Military Council in Aleppo Qassim Saadeddine said the government had carried out a chemical attack.

"We were hearing reports from early this morning about a regime attack on Khan al-Assal, and we believe they fired a Scud with chemical agents," he told Reuters news agency.

"Then suddenly we learned that the regime was turning these reports against us. The rebels were not behind this attack."

The Aleppo Media Centre, which is affiliated to the rebels, said there had been cases of "suffocation and poison'' among civilians in Khan al-Assal after a surface-to-surface missile was fired at the area.

It said this was "most likely" due to use of "poisonous gases" by government forces.

Close quote

Also according to this source, "both a chemical weapons monitoring body and the US said there was no evidence [chemical weapons] had been used."

Dated 19 March 2013



So you are dubious as to whether the Russian is telling the truth - presumably because the Russians have been allied with AssadCo?

And of course that was with regard to events that happened earlier this year.

But there are SOME who are already declaring that the most recent attack was not only Sarin - but that it was perpetrated by AssadCo - AS IF this were an established fact:

PM: Israel's 'finger on the pulse' of Syria developments, if necessary will also be 'on the trigger'


Highlights:


Syria's use of chemical weapons against its own people "simply demonstrates" what will happen if Iran gets even deadlier weapons, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said Sunday before a meeting with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius.

What we see in Syria is how extremist regimes have no reservations whatsoever about using these weapons even when they use it against innocent civilians, against their own people," he said. "In the end, the extremists use these weapons. So we must prevent them from having these weapons."

Following his meeting with Netanyahu, Fabius held a press conference in which he said that there was "no doubt" that Assad regime used chemical weapons in an attack last week in a Damascus suburb..

"I can also tell you that when three is a crime like this, it is inconceivable that it will go without a strong response," he said. Fabius said the response will be "determined and hard," but declined to go into further details."

[Does that Frenchie know how to kiss Israeli Ass or WHAT??? And of course the US is quickly falling in line]

More highlights

"Netanyahu said Israel and France share an interest in seeing the "tragic" events in Syria come to an end.

"I think what is going on there is a crime committed by the Syrian regime against its own people. It's truly shocking," he said. adding that the Assad regime was being actively aided and abetted by Iran and Hezbollah.

{{ HERE IT COMES! }}

"In fact, Assad's regime has become a full Iranian client and Syria has become Iran's testing ground," Netanyahu said. "Now the whole world is watching. Iran is watching and it wants to see what would be the reaction on the use of chemical weapons.

END QUOTES

You doubt Russia because Russia is allied with Syria?

Do you know who is joined at the hip with the Zionist Regime?

As I have said from the outset, not only is there ZERO evidence that AssadCo launched this attack, there are a multitude of reasons to believe that was a fake - a ruse - a false-flag designed to drag the US into the conflict.

One more tidbit FTA: "Israel is not intervening in the Syrian civil war, the defense minister stressed, saying, "We have the red lines that we set, and we stand behind them."

So in the grand Zionist Tradition, Israel is AGAIN skirting the risks, and expects the US and others to do its dirty work.  Why should they get a bunch of nice Jewish boys killed?

Ready for another war for Israel, tirob?

Yea, that's it. Another war that Izzy is bizzy dragging Uncle Sugardaddy into fighting for them.


/Now you go ahead and whine about my "anti-Semitism"
//You KNOW you want to - so go ahead
///It'll entertain me
 
2013-08-25 09:42:29 PM  

Amos Quito: So you are dubious as to whether the Russian is telling the truth


I don't know.  Even if he is, the evidence you present does not necessarily show that the missile the Russians say they tested belonged to the rebels.  He described the missile as "not a military-standard chemical weapon" and "not industrially manufactured and...filled with sarin."  It could have belonged to the government, could have belonged to the rebels.

Amos Quito: there are SOME who are already declaring that the most recent attack was not only Sarin - but that it was perpetrated by AssadCo - AS IF this were an established fact:


I am not one of them.  Yet.  I am, it is true, skeptical of claims that the rebels could have caused, with chemical weapons, casualties on the scale that appears to have happened at Ghouta.

Amos Quito: As I have said from the outset, not only is there ZERO evidence that AssadCo launched this attack, there are a multitude of reasons to believe that was a fake - a ruse - a false-flag designed to drag the US into the conflict.


You have said that from the outset.  As I have pointed out before, the sources I cite who disagree with you have some credibility for me because they were obviously *not* trying to influence the US.

Amos Quito: /Now you go ahead and whine about my "anti-Semitism"
//You KNOW you want to - so go ahead


You are telling me what I think and you know damned good and well I have never accused you or anyone else here of anti-Semitism for critiquing Israeli government policy.

Protip:  You critique Israeli government policy a good bit here.  It is your privilege, but it also has the effect of bringing that policy before this audience.  Some deluded people might even think that you're running an ad campaign for it.
 
2013-08-25 10:16:04 PM  

tirob: Amos Quito: So you are dubious as to whether the Russian is telling the truth

I don't know.  Even if he is, the evidence you present does not necessarily show that the missile the Russians say they tested belonged to the rebels.  He described the missile as "not a military-standard chemical weapon" and "not industrially manufactured and...filled with sarin."  It could have belonged to the government, could have belonged to the rebels.

Amos Quito: there are SOME who are already declaring that the most recent attack was not only Sarin - but that it was perpetrated by AssadCo - AS IF this were an established fact:

I am not one of them.  Yet.  I am, it is true, skeptical of claims that the rebels could have caused, with chemical weapons, casualties on the scale that appears to have happened at Ghouta.

Amos Quito: As I have said from the outset, not only is there ZERO evidence that AssadCo launched this attack, there are a multitude of reasons to believe that was a fake - a ruse - a false-flag designed to drag the US into the conflict.

You have said that from the outset.  As I have pointed out before, the sources I cite who disagree with you have some credibility for me because they were obviously *not* trying to influence the US.

Amos Quito: /Now you go ahead and whine about my "anti-Semitism"
//You KNOW you want to - so go ahead

You are telling me what I think and you know damned good and well I have never accused you or anyone else here of anti-Semitism for critiquing Israeli government policy.

Protip:  You critique Israeli government policy a good bit here.  It is your privilege, but it also has the effect of bringing that policy before this audience.  Some deluded people might even think that you're running an ad campaign for it.


Check this out - and note the date of publication: JANUARY 28, 2013

Hacked e-mails reveal 'Washington approved' plan to stage Syria chemical attack

QUOTE:

"On Saturday, Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.

"One of the e-mails contains a discussion between Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding and Philip Doughty, company founder. In the exchange, it's revealed that there is a plan to unleash chemical weapons in Syria in order to blame it on the Bashar Al Assad regime to justify a direct intervention by U.S. and NATO forces in the country's civil war. The plan, thought up by the government of Qatar according to the e-mail, is "approved by Washington."

END QUOTE

Again, this was published in JANUARY 2013 - before the FIRST allegations of a Syrian CW attack - but AFTER Obama's "red line" speech.

Just a coincidence, a lucky guess, right?


/So many
//Coincidences
///So many

Remember the BushCo / Zionist lies told to get us chomping at the bit to attack Saddam?

Remember?
 
2013-08-25 10:19:36 PM  
Reality can be one ugly biatch.

Sometimes it sucks to be right, tirob.
 
2013-08-26 02:42:16 AM  

Amos Quito: Check this out - and note the date of publication: JANUARY 28, 2013

Again, this was published in JANUARY 2013 - before the FIRST allegations of a Syrian CW attack - but AFTER Obama's "red line" speech.

Just a coincidence, a lucky guess, right?


Apparently neither of those.  According to the Daily Mail, which itself published the "email" on January 29, 2013, it is a hoax.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David -G oulding-Philip-Doughty.html

"We now accept that email was fabricated and acknowledge there is no truth in any suggestion that Britam or its directors were willing to consider taking part in such a plot, which may have led to an atrocity.
We apologise to each of them and have agreed to pay substantial damages"


Amos Quito: Reality can be one ugly biatch.

Sometimes it sucks to be right, tirob.


It appears you were wrong this time.
 
2013-08-26 02:47:00 AM  
Sorry if that came out too small.

Should read:  "We now accept that the email was fabricated and acknowledge there is no truth in any suggestion that Britam or its directors were willing to consider taking part in such a plot, which may have led to an atrocity.

We apologise to each of them and have agreed to pay substantial damages."
 
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