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2013-08-24 12:38:55 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-08-24 12:39:42 PM  
it's looking less like the NSA's being run by J. Edgar Hoover and more like they're being run by Inspector Cloussau
 
2013-08-24 12:40:11 PM  

RevRaven: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 257x320]


GOT DAMNIT, RevRaven.  I came here to post the same damned picture.
 
2013-08-24 12:40:45 PM  
Soo....can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a new pic of Snowden somehow? That one is on EVERY article, and I'm kinda sick of seeing it.
 
2013-08-24 12:41:13 PM  
Really?
 
2013-08-24 12:41:20 PM  
Boy, the Israel-First media lobby sure does have a hard-on for Snowden, lol. I wonder why.
 
2013-08-24 12:42:39 PM  
Well given the news of the NSA people spying on their own love intrests its clear that the NSA's both technical and administrative controls are crap. There is a high likelihood they weren't auditing anything. There may not even be a procedure in place.

Heres the thing about govt work... if you don't do something that should be done, but no one tells you to, you "can't" get in trouble for not doing it. You haven't broken any rules, because the policies and procedures don't exist.

As soon as you setup a regime to do internal monitoring, people have to be responsible and held accountable, which means ppl have to actually ya know *DO* something
 
2013-08-24 12:43:09 PM  

grumpfuff: Soo....can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a new pic of Snowden somehow? That one is on EVERY article, and I'm kinda sick of seeing it.


Link
 
2013-08-24 12:52:10 PM  

MrLint: Well given the news of the NSA people spying on their own love intrests its clear that the NSA's both technical and administrative controls are crap. There is a high likelihood they weren't auditing anything. There may not even be a procedure in place.

Heres the thing about govt work... if you don't do something that should be done, but no one tells you to, you "can't" get in trouble for not doing it. You haven't broken any rules, because the policies and procedures don't exist.

As soon as you setup a regime to do internal monitoring, people have to be responsible and held accountable, which means ppl have to actually ya know *DO* something


Sounds like private sector work.
 
2013-08-24 01:01:05 PM  
Let's use big words to make it sound like he's an uber-hacker, when all he really did was use his access to find files and delete them.  Go journalism!
 
2013-08-24 01:03:30 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: MrLint: Well given the news of the NSA people spying on their own love intrests its clear that the NSA's both technical and administrative controls are crap. There is a high likelihood they weren't auditing anything. There may not even be a procedure in place.

Heres the thing about govt work... if you don't do something that should be done, but no one tells you to, you "can't" get in trouble for not doing it. You haven't broken any rules, because the policies and procedures don't exist.

As soon as you setup a regime to do internal monitoring, people have to be responsible and held accountable, which means ppl have to actually ya know *DO* something

Sounds like private sector work.


ZING
 
2013-08-24 01:03:45 PM  
RevRaven:

Done in one.
 
2013-08-24 01:05:19 PM  
At this moment no matter how secure any system is it can and will be broken by a willing and knowledgeable individual. Information is very important in this age. By classifying information the government is only preventing the public from knowing what they are doing. A willing individual, or foreign government, can get to whatever classified information they want with enough effort. We have to go fishing with FOIA requests to get a 16 page document that has anything actually useful blacked out.

The government needs to stop lying about how safe, powerful and secure its operations are. It needs to stop running PR campaigns on every issue and govern responsibly by allowing the electorate to be properly informed.
 
2013-08-24 01:13:22 PM  
"The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the sensitive developments publicly. "


Oh look, another leak that will go uninvestigated and unpunished for some reason..
 
2013-08-24 01:26:45 PM  
Hmm.. I think an old favorite needs to be recast. Yesterday's Assange is today's Snowden:

#6 in the new set:
i79.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-24 01:33:41 PM  
Somebody is full of shiat. The government or Snowden. If it is Snowden that is full of shiat, then he didn't do anything illegal.
 
2013-08-24 01:42:59 PM  
I really can't commit as I've worked in sensitive areas in both my careers.

I will say Edward Snowden is a major asshat. He's not a whistleblower, but an opportunistic narcissist who didn't figure out his cunning plan through, IMHO. I hope he's caught and does jail time. Or remains trapped in Russia for the rest of his life.

Hey Eddie! Smart move, dude. Burn your bridges not only from a 6-figure salary in Hawaii with great career potential, but from the best country in the world, all to live in Russia at the whim of the SVR, GRU and Putin. Enjoy your first winter.

/Wonder if they got a 401k package?
 
2013-08-24 01:45:28 PM  

AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,


Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?
 
2013-08-24 01:54:09 PM  
And on that note, #9 in the new set:

i79.photobucket.com

No idea what the effect of an artifact named "Constitution" would be.
 
2013-08-24 01:58:10 PM  

TsukasaK: And on that note, #9 in the new set:

[i79.photobucket.com image 375x523]

No idea what the effect of an artifact named "Constitution" would be.


"It's just a piece of paper!"
 
2013-08-24 02:03:07 PM  

TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?


Because otherwise they would have to accept that they spent a good portion of their life in the service of the government that we actually have, instead of the one they imagined we have.
 
2013-08-24 02:14:50 PM  

TsukasaK: Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?


You figured military?  I guessed sock puppet.  I didn't think anyone still called us the best country in the world.
 
2013-08-24 02:17:12 PM  

IrateShadow: TsukasaK: Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?

You figured military?  I guessed sock puppet.  I didn't think anyone still called us the best country in the world.


I'm calling corollary to Poe's law. It is impossible to differentiate a post between a troll and a brainwashed "patriot".
 
2013-08-24 02:28:47 PM  

TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?


training
 
2013-08-24 02:30:37 PM  

MrLint: Shakin_Haitian: MrLint: Well given the news of the NSA people spying on their own love intrests its clear that the NSA's both technical and administrative controls are crap. There is a high likelihood they weren't auditing anything. There may not even be a procedure in place.

Heres the thing about govt work... if you don't do something that should be done, but no one tells you to, you "can't" get in trouble for not doing it. You haven't broken any rules, because the policies and procedures don't exist.

As soon as you setup a regime to do internal monitoring, people have to be responsible and held accountable, which means ppl have to actually ya know *DO* something

Sounds like private sector work.

ZING


Zing?
 
2013-08-24 02:39:10 PM  

AirForceVet: I really can't commit as I've worked in sensitive areas in both my careers.

I will say Edward Snowden is a major asshat. He's not a whistleblower, but an opportunistic narcissist who didn't figure out his cunning plan through, IMHO. I hope he's caught and does jail time. Or remains trapped in Russia for the rest of his life.

Hey Eddie! Smart move, dude. Burn your bridges not only from a 6-figure salary in Hawaii with great career potential, but from the best country in the world, all to live in Russia at the whim of the SVR, GRU and Putin. Enjoy your first winter.

/Wonder if they got a 401k package?




I see the propaganda is working well.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
 
2013-08-24 02:40:35 PM  

pueblonative: it's looking less like the NSA's being run by J. Edgar Hoover and more like they're being run by Inspector Cloussau




Looks like outsourcing your IT, although popular in MBA schools, may not in fact, be the smartest business plan.
 
2013-08-24 02:41:01 PM  
I think this is a strong contender for "Most Obvious Headline" at this year's Romero Awards.
 
2013-08-24 02:45:15 PM  
 Officials say the U.S. government's efforts to determine which highly classified materials leaker Edward Snowden took from the National Security Agency have been frustrated by Snowden's sophisticated efforts to cover his digital trail by deleting or bypassing electronic logs.  Such logs would show what information Snowden had viewed or downloaded.

If the NSA is run in the same way as most large organizations I've been in, he probably just saved attachments in meeting notices and e-mails to a thumb drive.
 
2013-08-24 02:46:43 PM  

China White Tea: TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?

Because otherwise they would have to accept that they spent a good portion of their life in the service of the on the government gravy train that we actually have, instead of the one they imagined we have.

 
2013-08-24 03:13:20 PM  
(Why is it always the military types who support this garbage? )

Don't lump us all in with him.

I think Snowden is a hero, point blank and period.
 
2013-08-24 03:23:38 PM  

buffalosoldier: Don't lump us all in with him.


Thanks for being awesome. It just seems to be that the people calling for Snowden's head or minimizing what he's done seem to have a disproportionately military/conservative background.
 
2013-08-24 03:27:31 PM  
Tor Onion, Baby!!

https://tails.boum.org/


(SFW, and anywhere else)  (:
 
2013-08-24 03:30:17 PM  

Mister Buttons: Let's use big words to make it sound like he's an uber-hacker, when all he really did was use his access to find files and delete them.  Go journalism!



lol

we're not into Journalism anymore.   we like pictures!
 
2013-08-24 03:31:52 PM  

AirForceVet: I really can't commit as I've worked in sensitive areas in both my careers.

I will say Edward Snowden is a major asshat. He's not a whistleblower, but an opportunistic narcissist who didn't figure out his cunning plan through, IMHO. I hope he's caught and does jail time. Or remains trapped in Russia for the rest of his life.

Hey Eddie! Smart move, dude. Burn your bridges not only from a 6-figure salary in Hawaii with great career potential, but from the best country in the world, all to live in Russia at the whim of the SVR, GRU and Putin. Enjoy your first winter.

/Wonder if they got a 401k package?



best country in the world?

someone is still drinking the koolaid.
 
2013-08-24 03:33:15 PM  

TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?



well, you do know that military types like shooting their guns off and using missils shaped like penises.
 
2013-08-24 03:34:19 PM  

China White Tea: TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?

Because otherwise they would have to accept that they spent a good portion of their life in the service of the government that we actually have, instead of the one they imagined we have.



Bullseye!
 
2013-08-24 03:38:47 PM  

grumpfuff: Soo....can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a new pic of Snowden somehow? That one is on EVERY article, and I'm kinda sick of seeing it.


Yup. Feel the same way.

However, the fact that is one of the very few pics being circulated points up just how little investigative prowess most investigative journalists have. People are falling down right and left about his uber-hacker status, but again and again we find he did fairly easy stuff to keep out of the spotlight. A bunch of people are demonizing a guy not just because of something he did, but because they are failures in their jobs. Regardless of whether you agree with Snowden or not, that he was so easily able to get in and do what he did is astounding. Then to have hatched a not so well thought out escape and thwart an entire intelligence network from capturing him is mind boggling.

The whole Keystone Cops behavior of US Intelligence in this affair reminds me back in in 1997 when the press and law enforcement slobbered right and left over the Versace murderer, Andrew Cunanan. That time they could not stop talking about him being a master of disguise, but the best they could come up with were pix of him with and without eyeglasses. If not for the fact that he murdered people, it was laughable.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-24 03:46:48 PM  
Simple solution. Have more liberals join the Army. It benefits everyone. You get to pull out the 'I'm a vet." card when people accuse you of hating 'murica.  Nothing is more classic than when you get to call out a chicken hawk who has never been in on his bullshiat. Priceless.

/I am fairly conservative on a lot of issues, pro gun etc....
//If you are a Conservative who doesn't think that the founding fathers would be farking horrified at the idea of the NSA's current actions, than you are a bad conservative, American, and possibly person.
 
2013-08-24 03:48:30 PM  

Linux_Yes: TsukasaK: AirForceVet: He's not a whistleblower,

Except, yknow, for the fact where he brought to public attention all of the illegal-violating-the-4th-amendment shiat that the NSA has been up to for the last 10 years or so. So, you might say he blew the whistle on them.
 And I think you need to learn what "narcissism" means.

Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?


well, you do know that military types like shooting their guns off and using missils shaped like penises.



Do you have a problem with homosexuals, guns, the military or some permutation of the previous three?
 
2013-08-24 03:50:47 PM  

RevRaven: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 257x320]


Showed up for 7Boxxies jpg. Not leaving disappointed.

The disclosure undermines the Obama administration's assurances to Congress and the public that the NSA surveillance programs can't be abused because its spying systems are so aggressively monitored and audited for oversight purposes.

The temptation to abuse power of this magnitude for either personal reasons or profit has to be huge and so unless the system is aggressively monitored and audited it will abused on a regular basis.

So far little to no evidence has been presented that there is any monitoring going on much less aggressive monitoring while stories of NSA employees abusing the power start to pile up.

Leaving us once again with that old unanswered question...  Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
 
2013-08-24 03:51:39 PM  

AirForceVet: I really can't commit as I've worked in sensitive areas in both my careers.

I will say Edward Snowden is a major asshat. He's not a whistleblower, but an opportunistic narcissist who didn't figure out his cunning plan through, IMHO. I hope he's caught and does jail time. Or remains trapped in Russia for the rest of his life.

Hey Eddie! Smart move, dude. Burn your bridges not only from a 6-figure salary in Hawaii with great career potential, but from the best country in the world, all to live in Russia at the whim of the SVR, GRU and Putin. Enjoy your first winter.

/Wonder if they got a 401k package?


Okay, let me get this straight...

Ed Snowden knowingly gave up a 6-figure job in paradise and all his future prospects. He exiled himself with no hope of ever returning to America to see his friends and family, or of ever having a normal life again. Home - gone. Girlfriend - gone. Everything he ever worked for - gone. He did all of this to expose the federal government's unconstitutional activities, not for money, but because he (idealistically, perhaps) believed the rest of the world had the moral and ethical right to know. He knowingly and willingly gave up everything and anything he had in the world...and this makes him a narcissist?

Narcissist does not mean what you think it means. Neither does whistleblower. I think a lot of people find it refreshing and encouraging that someone in this day and age would be willing to jump off the government gravy-train to do what they believed was right. He didn't just "follow orders." He didn't do what was easy. He did what was hard. He knew he'd be persecuted, that every facet of the United States government would be used to discredit him and shame him. But he still did it.

You can disagree with what he did, for a number of reasons. But I'm not sure how you argue he's a narcissist.
 
2013-08-24 04:03:41 PM  

pueblonative: it's looking less like the NSA's being run by J. Edgar Hoover and more like they're being run by Inspector Cloussau


This!
The NSA doesn't follow the government's own security guidance for separation of duties, log management or access controls apparently.
 
2013-08-24 04:04:06 PM  

The Green Manalishi: You can disagree with what he did, for a number of reasons. But I'm not sure how you argue he's a narcissist.


You can't really. Not that that's stopping anyone, of course.

Efforts to make this about Snowden and "terrible" thing he's done rather than about the frightening scope of the governments ability to spy on it's own citizenry under the guise of the eternal "War on Terror" have been highly effective with certain mindsets.

Idealistic and naive (not to mention braver than me) are how I'd describe Snowden.

Dismissing him as a mere attention whore while not addressing the very real concerns his revelations bring up doesn't really add much to the conversation from my perspective.
 
2013-08-24 04:04:50 PM  

MrLint: Well given the news of the NSA people spying on their own love intrests its clear that the NSA's both technical and administrative controls are crap. There is a high likelihood they weren't auditing anything. There may not even be a procedure in place.

Heres the thing about govt work... if you don't do something that should be done, but no one tells you to, you "can't" get in trouble for not doing it. You haven't broken any rules, because the policies and procedures don't exist.

As soon as you setup a regime to do internal monitoring, people have to be responsible and held accountable, which means ppl have to actually ya know *DO* something


As someone who works for a DoD contractor company, I agree with this sentiment. That being said, I don't think you can really jump to those conclusions from the posted article. It didn't contain any specifics about what access controls and logging was in place. Only that Snowden may have bypassed or deleted the logs, cited by an anonymous source.

Kinda a pointless article IMO.
 
2013-08-24 04:08:03 PM  

TsukasaK: Why is it always the military types who support this garbage?


Because we hold and/or have held security clearances at Snowden's level and/or higher and are honestly more cognizant of stuff in the background.

Many civilians (and some military) cannot have or maintain security clearances for numerous reasons, like having trouble getting past piss tests, skipping out on credit card payments, etc. And, like Teabaggers on the right, the left has its conspiracy theorists and paranoia brigades.

Am I pleased NSA apparently vacuumed up too much stuff wrongly? Of course not. However, channels exist to counter that. And, if the wrongs by the government are so great (like going into Vietnam and getting 1000s of people killed), that's when whistleblowers are needed, as with the Pentagon Papers and Daniel Ellsberg.

Snowden isn't Daniel Ellsberg nor is he any hero. I stand by my reference that Snowden is a opportunistic narcissist plus a coward who fled to other countries to avoid prosecution, unlikeDaniel Ellsberg.
 
2013-08-24 04:14:09 PM  

TsukasaK: Hmm.. I think an old favorite needs to be recast. Yesterday's Assange is today's Snowden:

#6 in the new set:
[i79.photobucket.com image 375x523]


Sorry, but gold borders are reserved for multicolored spells. Please splash a second color into the casting cost or redo it with a blue border.

/NEEERRDD!
 
2013-08-24 04:17:01 PM  

IrateShadow: You figured military?  I guessed sock puppet.  I didn't think anyone still called us the best country in the world.


Linux_Yes: best country in the world?

someone is still drinking the koolaid.


You dudes really need to get out more than just hanging around your own backyards. Spent some time in the Third World. Spend a winter in Canada. I like living in the United States more than living in Europe although they have some really cool ideas I wish we'd embrace. Of course, after my New Zealand trip, I might change my mind. I'll let you know.
 
2013-08-24 04:30:24 PM  
I'm as liberal as they come. He is not a hero. he is a naive fool. You are being spied upon by the government, corporations(google,
microsoft,apple,
everything), other governments (the chinese, the russians) your employer, and finally any putz with the technical knowhow that wants to read your email. Is it wrong for the government to do,yes , but hardly unexpected. People aren't being disappeared or being gassed as by other governments, so calm down the outrage.
 
2013-08-24 04:32:34 PM  

grumpfuff: Soo....can we please please PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE get a new pic of Snowden somehow? That one is on EVERY article, and I'm kinda sick of seeing it.


Are you sure about that? A russian agent with a $5 wrench can do a lot of damage in a month, he might not be too pretty.

imgs.xkcd.com
 
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