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(Kansas City)   For the first time in 20 years, the Royals treat Kansas City to a magical summer of baseball before remembering that they're the Kansas City Royals   (kansascity.com) divider line 33
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2013-08-24 11:14:36 AM
Once they got through beating the Red Sox and the other dogs in the league,  it was going to get much tougher.
 
2013-08-24 12:20:03 PM

notmtwain: Red Sox and the other dogs


Interesting troll.
 
2013-08-24 02:00:50 PM
My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.
 
2013-08-24 03:07:27 PM

Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.


Funny, I know a guy who's lived in Akron, Ohio his entire life, has never lived in nor does he have any family connections to the State Of Missouri, yet he's a die-hard Chiefs fan. It's mind-boggling.
 
2013-08-24 03:36:29 PM

CavalierEternal: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.

Funny, I know a guy who's lived in Akron, Ohio his entire life, has never lived in nor does he have any family connections to the State Of Missouri, yet he's a die-hard Chiefs fan. It's mind-boggling.


That's nothing compared to those Malaysian Man City fans.
 
2013-08-24 03:58:40 PM

CavalierEternal: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.

Funny, I know a guy who's lived in Akron, Ohio his entire life, has never lived in nor does he have any family connections to the State Of Missouri, yet he's a die-hard Chiefs fan. It's mind-boggling.


My cousin from Indiana is a die-hard Bucanneers fan.  What makes even less sense is that he was born about 10 years before they had a team, so not only did he choose a new team, but he chose a team that was terrible for the first 20 years of its existence.
 
2013-08-24 05:08:55 PM
Hang on, a few years back the Pirates would somehow keep themselves in contention til June/July then fade. Now here we are and they're in contention. The Royals will be good for a few years after this one
 
2013-08-24 05:18:53 PM

Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.



I grew up in the KC area. I watched the Chiefs get beat in the first Super Bowl. I remember Otis Taylor running down the right sideline for a touchdown against the Vikings in the fourth Super Bowl. I went to old Municipal Stadium and watched the A's before they moved to Oakland. I was at Royals Stadium in 1980 when George Brett went 4 for 4 vs. the Blue Jays to go over .400 for the first time that season. I can't be anything but a Kansas City sports fan. But my god it's been a long 25 years. Why anyone would voluntarily choose to root for any team from KC (except maybe Sporting Kansas City) is beyond me. They probably use clothespins during foreplay.

I gotta get another beer
 
2013-08-24 05:40:12 PM
It was a good run, but you always sort of knew there was going to be a collapse. There just isn't enough hitting, and while the pitching has done a good job, the back of the rotation isn't really all that great. They're better, though. Now they only have a couple holes instead of nine or ten. The future looks promising.

They need one more pitcher, assuming they resign Santana, which is a massive assumption, hopefully Duffy or Paulino can be that guy. They need a second baseman that can play every day, and somebody who can play right field and provide some cover for Billy Butler in the bating order.
 
2013-08-24 05:45:47 PM

Foxxinnia: CavalierEternal: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.

Funny, I know a guy who's lived in Akron, Ohio his entire life, has never lived in nor does he have any family connections to the State Of Missouri, yet he's a die-hard Chiefs fan. It's mind-boggling.

That's nothing compared to those Malaysian Man Cardiff City fans.


FTFY.

/Cardinals fan with no particular StL connection
 
2013-08-24 05:47:08 PM

mitchcumstein1: somebody who can play right field and provide some cover for Billy Butler in the bating order.


I hear there's a guy like that on the Rays.
 
2013-08-24 05:54:22 PM

DeWayne Mann: mitchcumstein1: somebody who can play right field and provide some cover for Billy Butler in the bating order.

I hear there's a guy like that on the Rays.


It's a trade that's looking worse and worse. Shields has been as advertised, but Wade Davis is awful. They needed pitching, but I think they gave up too much for just what ends up being just Shields. Wil Myers looks like the real deal.
 
2013-08-24 06:02:08 PM

mitchcumstein1: Wade Davis is awful.


That was one of the weird parts of that trade that was never really talked about at the time. It was always referred to as Shields for Myers (in which case, I still think the team getting Meyers wins), but it also had Davis, Odorizzi and two other prospects involved...even though there was a decent chance that Odorizzi would be better than Davis THIS year.

Now, as it has turned out, Odorizzi has been about as bad as Davis this year...in the majors, at least. But he has decent AAA numbers, is 4.5 years younger than Davis and, for the time being, is cheaper.

I dunno. Just a baffling trade all around.
 
2013-08-24 06:15:22 PM

Maturin: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.


I grew up in the KC area. I watched the Chiefs get beat in the first Super Bowl. I remember Otis Taylor running down the right sideline for a touchdown against the Vikings in the fourth Super Bowl. I went to old Municipal Stadium and watched the A's before they moved to Oakland. I was at Royals Stadium in 1980 when George Brett went 4 for 4 vs. the Blue Jays to go over .400 for the first time that season. I can't be anything but a Kansas City sports fan. But my god it's been a long 25 years. Why anyone would voluntarily choose to root for any team from KC (except maybe Sporting Kansas City) is beyond me. They probably use clothespins during foreplay.

I gotta get another beer


As a Farker from Missouri {Springfield} it's funny what sports team people root for here. Baseball, it's overwhelmingly the Cards, even before we adopted their minor league team. NFL football it's mostly Chiefs - even as many times as they've let us down. I work with people that like all different football teams - Raiders, Bills, Bears, Cowboys, Dolphins, etc. I can always find an easy mark to pick on Monday morning.
 
2013-08-24 06:40:04 PM
Just because I'm thinking about it now: I wonder what the Royals would've had to give up to get Ricky Nolasco from the Marlins instead of going after Shields.

Nolasco's been much worse than Shields for the last few years in terms of ERA, but I'm not a huge fan of using ERA to evaluate pitchers. In terms of FIP, which I like much better, they've been nearly equal.

Shields goes deeper into games, which is valuable, but the Royals have a great bullpen, so it's not as useful as it could be.

Nolasco's only signed for a year (and makes, depending on how you want to do the accounting, 1 - 2 mil more than Shields this year), but he's also almost exactly a year younger.

I really think, even without the benefit of hindsight, he would've been roughly as valuable for the Royals as Shields has been. But there's no way he would've cost Myers, right?

(Another guy I'm wondering about: Yovani Gallardo)
 
2013-08-24 06:47:05 PM

sloughtown4ever: Hang on, a few years back the Pirates would somehow keep themselves in contention til June/July then fade. Now here we are and they're in contention. The Royals will be good for a few years after this one


Doubt it. They won't continue to pay for their talent. Most will be free agents and sign with a big market team, or worse go to the Yankees where they will suck.
 
2013-08-24 06:48:51 PM
Meanwhile, Wil Myers is batting .312 with an .852 OPS in Tampa Bay.
 
2013-08-24 07:03:34 PM

DeWayne Mann: I dunno. Just a baffling trade all around.


When you're desperate, and they were desperate, you make bad trades. That is a bad trade in the long run.

Maturin: Doubt it. They won't continue to pay for their talent. Most will be free agents and sign with a big market team, or worse go to the Yankees where they will suck.


Not true. Gordon is wrapped up for the next three years, Butler for two. Mouse, and Hosmer, aren't free agents until 2018. Sal Perez is wrapped up until 2019, Alcides Escobar until 2017 if the team so chooses. The nucleus of the team is solid.

The starting pitching continues to be worrisome, but hopefully they can work something out with Santana, and Duff and Paulino become the pitchers everybody thinks they can be. With Guthrie and Shields, that would be a fairly solid rotation. The bullpen is solid and young, so actually the next 3 or 4 years should be interesting for KC.
 
2013-08-24 07:27:58 PM
Let's go Monarchs!

/at the game now, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-08-24 07:28:30 PM
True story: On August 12 as I was watching the Royals beat the Marlins after taking 3-4 from the Sox, I made a Facebook post saying "OK, I am officially all in on the Royals this year."

Since then? 2-9.
 
2013-08-24 07:30:36 PM
I'm a tigers fan. Every year, I hear "watch KC this yr, this could be the year they make the jump", and I also half believe it because they have been so bad for so long, that they HAVE to have built a strong young core through the draft...

But I'm also a lions fan, so I know that isn't always the case.

In all seriousness, as a tigers fan, I would NOT want to play KC in a 1 game playoff.
 
2013-08-24 07:41:28 PM
KC seems to always turn it on after they're no longer contending for anything.

They seem brutal to play against late in the season.
 
2013-08-24 08:37:59 PM

jayhawk88: True story: On August 12 as I was watching the Royals beat the Marlins after taking 3-4 from the Sox, I made a Facebook post saying "OK, I am officially all in on the Royals this year."

Since then? 2-9.


Right there with you. On July 28th, I posted to Facebook "I don't want to jinx anything, but the A's' magic number is 52." Since then they're 11-13 and went from 6 games up to 3 games back.
 
2013-08-25 12:47:14 AM

Maturin: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.


I grew up in the KC area. I watched the Chiefs get beat in the first Super Bowl. I remember Otis Taylor running down the right sideline for a touchdown against the Vikings in the fourth Super Bowl. I went to old Municipal Stadium and watched the A's before they moved to Oakland. I was at Royals Stadium in 1980 when George Brett went 4 for 4 vs. the Blue Jays to go over .400 for the first time that season. I can't be anything but a Kansas City sports fan. But my god it's been a long 25 years. Why anyone would voluntarily choose to root for any team from KC (except maybe Sporting Kansas City) is beyond me. They probably use clothespins during foreplay.

I gotta get another beer


I'm a Royals, Chiefs and Missouri TIgers fan.  Aside from a brief moment of joy in 1975, my life is pain.
 
2013-08-25 12:58:42 AM
Ari/Phi headed to the 16th inning. I always find those games strangely entertaining.
 
2013-08-25 01:17:16 AM

Foaming: Ari/Phi headed to the 16th inning. I always find those games strangely entertaining.


It's the longest game in Dbacks history in terms of time (previous: 5 hrs, 53 mins)

The Dbacks scored 3 in the top of the 1st, Philly pulled their pitcher after 8 batters that inning. Yes, that was before the Dbacks pitcher came up to bat.

The Dbacks led by scores of 6-0 and 7-1 in the game.

They're now going to the 17th and there's been 610 pitches thrown. A Dbacks starter has pitched the last 2 innings.
 
2013-08-25 01:35:49 AM
Longest game in Phillies history too now.
Top 18th.

Casper Wells pitching.
 
2013-08-25 01:42:18 AM
Watching Billy Butler has become physically painful. He can't hit for power, he can't run, he can't field a position.

And any team trotting out a line-up that regularly includes Emilio Bonifacio, Jamey Carroll,  Alcedies Escobar and Chris Getz is just not going to win a lot of games. Escobar is a vacuum cleaner at short stop and easily takes one run off the board every game, but his bat is weak sauce.  This is not an offense that's going to keep David Lackey or Max Scherzer up at night.
 
2013-08-25 01:56:20 AM

Foaming: Longest game in Phillies history too now.
Top 18th.

Casper Wells pitching.


Ties the longest game in terms of innings in Dbacks history (3rd time going 18)
 
2013-08-25 03:32:57 AM

Mentat: Maturin: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.


I grew up in the KC area. I watched the Chiefs get beat in the first Super Bowl. I remember Otis Taylor running down the right sideline for a touchdown against the Vikings in the fourth Super Bowl. I went to old Municipal Stadium and watched the A's before they moved to Oakland. I was at Royals Stadium in 1980 when George Brett went 4 for 4 vs. the Blue Jays to go over .400 for the first time that season. I can't be anything but a Kansas City sports fan. But my god it's been a long 25 years. Why anyone would voluntarily choose to root for any team from KC (except maybe Sporting Kansas City) is beyond me. They probably use clothespins during foreplay.

I gotta get another beer

I'm a Royals, Chiefs and Missouri TIgers fan.  Aside from a brief moment of joy in 1975, my life is pain.


85?
 
2013-08-25 08:24:05 AM

DanInKansas: Watching Billy Butler has become physically painful. He can't hit for power, he can't run, he can't field a position.


He has a .385 OBP, and he plays on a team that needs someone to DH 90% of the time.  While the drop in power is a negative, he's still his team's best hitter.  They have much bigger problems.

And any team trotting out a line-up that regularly includes Emilio Bonifacio, Jamey Carroll,  Alcedies Escobar and Chris Getz is just not going to win a lot of games. Escobar is a vacuum cleaner at short stop and easily takes one run off the board every game, but his bat is weak sauce.  This is not an offense that's going to keep David Lackey or Max Scherzer up at night.

Bonifacio: 38 PA
Carroll: 25 PA

Francoeur (193 PA, .571 OPS) and Elliot Johnson (173 PA, .458 OPS) have been much bigger problems.

The offensive black hole from the middle infield (and 3B, given that Moustakas is not a great defender) is the big issue in terms of run scoring.  Other than that, they have three below-average-but-reasonable bats (Perez, Lough, Cain) attached to strong defenders, which might be a reasonable trade given the Royals' budget.

That all said, their wish list looks like this:
- Acceptable 2B
- Three starting pitchers

Escobar and Moustakas are still young enough (and not horrible players, even this year) that you're going to give them another year.  But the starting pitching is loaded down with guys who were never very good.
 
2013-08-25 10:18:15 AM

chimp_ninja: - Acceptable 2B


I do not understand why they won't give Johnny Giavotella a legit shot. He's 25 and has hit .318/.388/.457 over the last three years in AAA. Granted, it's the PCL, but that's still pretty good for a 2b.

Instead, they bring him up, give him a handful of PA, and then just give up on him in the majors.
 
2013-08-25 11:00:45 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Mentat: Maturin: Paris1127: My sister has a friend who is a devoted fan of the Royals. It mystifies just about everyone, since he has no connection to Kansas City nor has he ever been to Kansas City. He's not even from within 1000 miles of Kansas City. Even he can't explain it.


I grew up in the KC area. I watched the Chiefs get beat in the first Super Bowl. I remember Otis Taylor running down the right sideline for a touchdown against the Vikings in the fourth Super Bowl. I went to old Municipal Stadium and watched the A's before they moved to Oakland. I was at Royals Stadium in 1980 when George Brett went 4 for 4 vs. the Blue Jays to go over .400 for the first time that season. I can't be anything but a Kansas City sports fan. But my god it's been a long 25 years. Why anyone would voluntarily choose to root for any team from KC (except maybe Sporting Kansas City) is beyond me. They probably use clothespins during foreplay.

I gotta get another beer

I'm a Royals, Chiefs and Missouri TIgers fan.  Aside from a brief moment of joy in 1975, my life is pain.

85?


Whatever.
 
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