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2013-08-24 03:50:05 PM  
Typing this on my 2009 MacBook Pro with a self-installed Fusion drive. Using the iPhone to text my wife about dinner plans. Then leaving my Eichler to drive my Prius to the East Bay, kayak on the roof, to enjoy another gorgeous day in paradise. Paying for dinner with the proceeds from my TSLA stock rise.
 
2013-08-24 03:54:43 PM  

Kahabut: mjohnson71: All I know is that when in SoCal in business, my rental Taurus or Charger sticks out like a sore thumb. Does anyone buy American any more or is it state law requiring residents to drive foreign make cars?

/Yes, I know where most Accords, Camrys etc are built.

It's an income thing.  California has high cost of living, so higher wages as well (kinda) and so what most of the country considers "expensive" is far more common.  I can't speak to soCal, but in norcal the "average" car is an import brand like BMW, Merc, Lexus, Rover, Porsche.  Things that would be taken as status symbols in many parts of the country are considered base models in NorCal.

When I lived in the bay area a few years back, one of my neighbors had a BMW art car.  A totally unique paint job done by some famous artist.  My other neighbor had a rolls, and the one across the street had a collection of exotics.  Including an F40 and an original Shelby Cobra.

None of these people were "rich", except by Fark standards.  They weren't hurting, but if you called them 1%ers they would laugh in your face and dismiss you as an idiot.

I think the Tesla S is a bad ass car, and in 5-10 years, if they hold up half as well as they are advertised to do, I'll be getting whatever the new model is then.  My biggest problem with the current crop of electrics isn't price, it's the reliability factor.  I have two friends with Volts, and they are both in the shop more often than they are on the road, which I think is disturbing.  My custom built engine in my 20 year old car doesn't have anywhere near the reliability problem that those brand new Volts have, and that's a BAD sign.  The prius too, great car for 5 years, but you better sell it before the maintenance comes due.

I'm probably just weird though, I like my durable goods to be durable.


Yeah that's because they are Chevys not because they are electrics. As far as priuses are concerned, most of their problems stem from the fact that they used nickel batteries for a long time. Plus they have very small batteries that are cycled rapidly. By contrast, tests show that tesla batteries should last 600000 miles.
 
2013-08-24 03:59:55 PM  
If this keeps up, we will see more and more red States banning the sell of Teslas. The spice (oil) must flow.
 
2013-08-24 04:01:57 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: I'd love to know how many of those cars are second cars for the household.  I'd also love to see the zip codes where those cars are being sold.  As was mentioned unthread, the Tesals are actually getting some impressive ratings for safety and reliability, there is still the inherent battery life/ recharge time issue but that will be an issue with all electrics until someone invents a battery that can push a car two hundred plus miles on a charge AND recharge as fast as it takes me to pump thirteen gallons into my gas buggy.

So who is the target market for the Tesla?  Rich people of course.  The kind of people who would otherwise have a Porsche or possibly even a Ferrari in the garage.  What do they use these cars for?  Impressing the shiat out of girls and their financial inferiors.  They can drive the short commute to work, have the valet plug it in, and it's ready for the jaunt from Santa Monica to Malibu at the end of the day.  This is a car that says "I am rich, AND I care about my carbon footprint blah blah blah."

If I could afford hundred thousand dollar toys, I might get one too.  Hopefully they won't hoard ALL the tech they develop and sit on the most useful patents like a troll.  I see the need for an edge, but it would be nice to see some of the innovation leak out to other companies trying to design cars for other markets.  Sort of the way Volvo and Mercedes used to eventually share things like air-bag and seat-belt tech.


Wow. You nailed me...not at all.

I'm stretching a little to make this purchase. As in prioritizing. 42, wife, kid, motgage. You know.

Commute is 30 miles one way.

My value prop is as follows:

1. Reward myself for years of good work

2. Get a technological marvel like iphone was when it came out

3. Get the best everyday car on the market

4. Get access to HOV lane to save time and stress

5. Stop paying for gas. Fark you terrorists!

6. Set an example for my son and others that new/fifferent isn't scary

7. Reward a company that is doing it right

8. Stroke my ego. Just being honest

9. Eliminate car maintenance which I suck at

Bonus: panty dropping qualities of this car are fringe benefit
 
2013-08-24 04:02:27 PM  
Fuking walk & STFU.
 
2013-08-24 04:02:59 PM  

DrunkWithImpotence: I'd love to know how many of those cars are second cars for the household.  I'd also love to see the zip codes where those cars are being sold.  As was mentioned unthread, the Tesals are actually getting some impressive ratings for safety and reliability, there is still the inherent battery life/ recharge time issue but that will be an issue with all electrics until someone invents a battery that can push a car two hundred plus miles on a charge AND recharge as fast as it takes me to pump thirteen gallons into my gas buggy.

So who is the target market for the Tesla?  Rich people of course.  The kind of people who would otherwise have a Porsche or possibly even a Ferrari in the garage.  What do they use these cars for?  Impressing the shiat out of girls and their financial inferiors.  They can drive the short commute to work, have the valet plug it in, and it's ready for the jaunt from Santa Monica to Malibu at the end of the day.  This is a car that says "I am rich, AND I care about my carbon footprint blah blah blah."

If I could afford hundred thousand dollar toys, I might get one too.  Hopefully they won't hoard ALL the tech they develop and sit on the most useful patents like a troll.  I see the need for an edge, but it would be nice to see some of the innovation leak out to other companies trying to design cars for other markets.  Sort of the way Volvo and Mercedes used to eventually share things like air-bag and seat-belt tech.

 My Model S has been my daily driver since I picked it up two months ago. I've driven my older pickup maybe twice since then. I've seen at least a dozen others around Raleigh-Durham as well lately, and they keep delivering more every week.
 
2013-08-24 04:03:09 PM  
Sour grapes there, subby?  You sure won't find Tesla drivers saying that.  Or Consumer Reports.  Or the NHTSA (other than rapping Tesla's knuckles for stating that they got a 5.4 score when 5 is the maximum number they officially assign).  Sounds like the bitter rant of someone driving a Hyundai Pony.
 
2013-08-24 04:04:34 PM  

TastyEloi: Pockafrusta: subbyisretarded.jpg

Consumer Reports = Best car ever tested. http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/ i ndex.html


It's interesting to me that there are so many other equally expensive--of not more expensive--cars that don't rate anywhere close to the Tesla for safety. It's nice to see an automobile manufacturer actually care about making a safe car and not offer excuses as to why they can't do it.

Hopefully, some of the Tesla engineering safety advances will become available in less expensive cars.


Not having an engine block and 30 gallons of accelerant tends to make a ride safer.
 
2013-08-24 04:11:25 PM  

cygnusx13: Not having an engine block and 30 gallons of accelerant tends to make a ride safer.


Opposed to the lack of an engine sound and a larger amount of equally unstable batteries?
 
2013-08-24 04:11:26 PM  

cygnusx13: Not having an engine block and 30 gallons of accelerant tends to make a ride safer.


There's more to it than that. The Model S weighs as much as a large SUV but has a center of gravity barely higher than the axles, for example. The NHTSA couldn't get it to roll over under normal testing.

Recently there's been stories about how the machine used to test the roof's crushing strength broke before the roof did. You could, it seems, stack four additional Model Ss on top of one and the roof will not cave in.
=Smidge=
 
2013-08-24 04:14:21 PM  

Kahabut: mjohnson71: All I know is that when in SoCal in business, my rental Taurus or Charger sticks out like a sore thumb. Does anyone buy American any more or is it state law requiring residents to drive foreign make cars?

/Yes, I know where most Accords, Camrys etc are built.

It's an income thing.  California has high cost of living, so higher wages as well (kinda) and so what most of the country considers "expensive" is far more common.  I can't speak to soCal, but in norcal the "average" car is an import brand like BMW, Merc, Lexus, Rover, Porsche.  Things that would be taken as status symbols in many parts of the country are considered base models in NorCal.

When I lived in the bay area a few years back, one of my neighbors had a BMW art car.  A totally unique paint job done by some famous artist.  My other neighbor had a rolls, and the one across the street had a collection of exotics.  Including an F40 and an original Shelby Cobra.

None of these people were "rich", except by Fark standards.  They weren't hurting, but if you called them 1%ers they would laugh in your face and dismiss you as an idiot.

I think the Tesla S is a bad ass car, and in 5-10 years, if they hold up half as well as they are advertised to do, I'll be getting whatever the new model is then.  My biggest problem with the current crop of electrics isn't price, it's the reliability factor.  I have two friends with Volts, and they are both in the shop more often than they are on the road, which I think is disturbing.  My custom built engine in my 20 year old car doesn't have anywhere near the reliability problem that those brand new Volts have, and that's a BAD sign.  The prius too, great car for 5 years, but you better sell it before the maintenance comes due.

I'm probably just weird though, I like my durable goods to be durable.


Your neighbors sound like douches.
 
2013-08-24 04:14:30 PM  

cygnusx13: TastyEloi: Pockafrusta: subbyisretarded.jpg

Consumer Reports = Best car ever tested. http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/ i ndex.html


It's interesting to me that there are so many other equally expensive--of not more expensive--cars that don't rate anywhere close to the Tesla for safety. It's nice to see an automobile manufacturer actually care about making a safe car and not offer excuses as to why they can't do it.

Hopefully, some of the Tesla engineering safety advances will become available in less expensive cars.

Not having an engine block and 30 gallons of accelerant tends to make a ride safer.


Typical commie-liberal move. Real Americans like sitting their family 30 gallons of accelerant before getting them up to freeway speed.
 
2013-08-24 04:18:02 PM  
Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?
 
2013-08-24 04:19:49 PM  
Meh. Vanity buy. You're saving gas alright, instead you're burning coal (where's the electricity coming from?)

Chemical batteries simply don't have the energy density of gasoline. Plus, it takes time to recharge the things. It baffles me that all these electric car designs do not have easily swapped out battery packs, so you can stop somewhere, swap packs, and be on your way.....
 
2013-08-24 04:22:15 PM  

ghare: Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?


I think for some of them it's a masculinity thing. "Real men" should be driving loud, powerful, fume-belching cars. Peddling around on bikes and driving quiet, non-polluting electric cars is for wussies.
 
2013-08-24 04:22:37 PM  

ghare: Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?


It's the smug look from liberals they can't stand.
 
2013-08-24 04:31:16 PM  
I'd buy one if I could afford one.
 
2013-08-24 04:34:59 PM  

netgamer7k: ghare: Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?

It's the smug look from liberals they can't stand.


Pretty much. In general conservatives have self esteem issues, and they freak the fark out if they think that someone thinks they are better than them.
 
2013-08-24 04:35:01 PM  

TastyEloi: ghare: Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?

I think for some of them it's a masculinity thing. "Real men" should be driving loud, powerful, fume-belching cars. Peddling around on bikes and driving quiet, non-polluting electric cars is for wussies.


Because they understand physiology and how the human body gets weaker with reasonable amounts of regular exercise.
 
2013-08-24 04:35:34 PM  

mark12A: Meh. Vanity buy. You're saving gas alright, instead you're burning coal (where's the electricity coming from?)


We need more nuclear power plants.
 
2013-08-24 04:40:05 PM  

mjohnson71: Your neighbors sound like douches.


You sound poor and uneducated.

I wonder which of us is closer to correct.
/not really
 
2013-08-24 04:48:33 PM  

mark12A: Meh. Vanity buy. You're saving gas alright, instead you're burning coal (where's the electricity coming from?)

Chemical batteries simply don't have the energy density of gasoline. Plus, it takes time to recharge the things. It baffles me that all these electric car designs do not have easily swapped out battery packs, so you can stop somewhere, swap packs, and be on your way.....


1200 pounds is a lot o swap.
 
2013-08-24 04:55:25 PM  

mark12A: Meh. Vanity buy. You're saving gas alright, instead you're burning coal (where's the electricity coming from?)

Chemical batteries simply don't have the energy density of gasoline. Plus, it takes time to recharge the things. It baffles me that all these electric car designs do not have easily swapped out battery packs, so you can stop somewhere, swap packs, and be on your way.....


Yeah, if only Tesla had designed it to swap the battery out for impatient people.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5V0vL3nnHY
 
2013-08-24 04:58:56 PM  
I won't be an early adopter, but Tesla seems promising.

/Interested to see if battery fires become an issue.
//Hydrogen fuel cells are probably a better long-term solution as far as quick refueling goes.
///Yes, hydrogen could lead to fires, too.
 
2013-08-24 05:00:59 PM  
ghare: Why is it that "conservatives" hate conservation? Why does someone riding a bike or driving an electric car fill them with such rage and hatred?

It's the smug look from liberals they can't stand.


Pretty much. In general conservatives have self esteem issues, and they freak the fark out if they think that someone thinks they are better than the


HORSESHIAT!

Most of these "conservation" thingys fall into the following categories:

- cutting off consumer choice/freedom by eliminating products that work (toilets) and forcing you to buy things that don't work as well (low flow toilets)

- the creepy Liberal obsession with forcing people out of cars (freedom to travel where you when you want) and into mass transit (where the government can monitor and control your movements) Want to go downtown to protest the latest government abuse? Oops! The trains just shut down...

- Things that don't make economic sense (recycling newspaper costs more than it saves.) And we are NOT running out of landfill space. Windmills will never make economic sense until oil/gas gets REALLY scarce, which won't happen for a few hundred years.

Most of these conservation edicts are interventions into a free market economy, and you would think the demise of the USSR would have taught people that government run central economies simply do not work.
 
2013-08-24 05:05:57 PM  

Teufel Ritter: I won't be an early adopter, but Tesla seems promising.

/Interested to see if battery fires become an issue.
//Hydrogen fuel cells are probably a better long-term solution as far as quick refueling goes.
///Yes, hydrogen could lead to fires, too.


Neat thing about gaseous fuels is that if the tank ruptures the gas just kinda floats away in a matter of seconds.  Unlike gasoline which creates both a vapor and liquid and toxic hazard at the scene for rather a long time (assuming it's not cleaned up).

The problem with hydrogen is that it's a mother farker to contain.  The damn stuff leaks out of everything, and requires special materials and religious maintenance.
 
2013-08-24 05:08:53 PM  
The Tesla Model S can charge at charging stations for free, dropping the cost somewhere in the "Not a problem" stage, depending on if there's actually a charging station near you.
 
2013-08-24 05:10:49 PM  

Kahabut: Teufel Ritter: I won't be an early adopter, but Tesla seems promising.

/Interested to see if battery fires become an issue.
//Hydrogen fuel cells are probably a better long-term solution as far as quick refueling goes.
///Yes, hydrogen could lead to fires, too.

Neat thing about gaseous fuels is that if the tank ruptures the gas just kinda floats away in a matter of seconds.  Unlike gasoline which creates both a vapor and liquid and toxic hazard at the scene for rather a long time (assuming it's not cleaned up).

The problem with hydrogen is that it's a mother farker to contain.  The damn stuff leaks out of everything, and requires special materials and religious maintenance.


True, but for that brief period following a wreck that leads to containment failure, you and the family are sitting in a cloud of hydrogen (and oxygen from the ambient atmosphere); not a pleasant thought.  Again, I think the technology will eventually exist to make hydrogen vehicles safe and easy to refuel.

As for the current battery systems in Tesla vehicles:  Hopefully they pan out, but I will not be an early adopter.  Even Consumer Reports did not actually recommend the Tesla S; IIRC, they refused to issue a recommendation due to a lack of data regarding long-term reliability.

/Hoping for the best.
 
2013-08-24 05:19:03 PM  
Mehh, they are reliable as any other incremental technology business plan, as long as the coal holds out.
 
2013-08-24 05:22:18 PM  

DiffMavis: The Tesla Model S can charge at charging stations for free, dropping the cost somewhere in the "Not a problem" stage, depending on if there's actually a charging station near you.


"free", That word, it does not mean what you think it means.
Your word(s) is(are) "cost shifted to fool the stoopid".
 
2013-08-24 05:25:02 PM  

Teufel Ritter: Kahabut: Teufel Ritter: I won't be an early adopter, but Tesla seems promising.

/Interested to see if battery fires become an issue.
//Hydrogen fuel cells are probably a better long-term solution as far as quick refueling goes.
///Yes, hydrogen could lead to fires, too.

Neat thing about gaseous fuels is that if the tank ruptures the gas just kinda floats away in a matter of seconds.  Unlike gasoline which creates both a vapor and liquid and toxic hazard at the scene for rather a long time (assuming it's not cleaned up).

The problem with hydrogen is that it's a mother farker to contain.  The damn stuff leaks out of everything, and requires special materials and religious maintenance.

True, but for that brief period following a wreck that leads to containment failure, you and the family are sitting in a cloud of hydrogen (and oxygen from the ambient atmosphere); not a pleasant thought.  Again, I think the technology will eventually exist to make hydrogen vehicles safe and easy to refuel.

As for the current battery systems in Tesla vehicles:  Hopefully they pan out, but I will not be an early adopter.  Even Consumer Reports did not actually recommend the Tesla S; IIRC, they refused to issue a recommendation due to a lack of data regarding long-term reliability.

/Hoping for the best.


Yeah, being in a wreck and then having a large amount of rather explosive gas in the area around you isn't a real pleasant thought.  Not to mention the cryogenic effect of a lot of gas escaping a pressurized container, although good design can keep that from being an issue in all but the most farked up circumstances.

The batteries concern me.  A lot.  It's why I haven't put my name on the list for a Model S yet.  Like I said up-thread, I'd buy one if I knew how the batteries were going to hold out against real world driving.  I've been into the RC hobby long enough to not believe anyone when it comes to battery life cycles.  It's as often a matter of quality in manufacturing as it is anything else, and no one has proven Tesla has the process down yet.  As soon as that proof is in the bag, I'll be all over these things.
 
2013-08-24 06:02:25 PM  

cygnusx13: DrunkWithImpotence: I'd love to know how many of those cars are second cars for the household.  I'd also love to see the zip codes where those cars are being sold.  As was mentioned unthread, the Tesals are actually getting some impressive ratings for safety and reliability, there is still the inherent battery life/ recharge time issue but that will be an issue with all electrics until someone invents a battery that can push a car two hundred plus miles on a charge AND recharge as fast as it takes me to pump thirteen gallons into my gas buggy.

So who is the target market for the Tesla?  Rich people of course.  The kind of people who would otherwise have a Porsche or possibly even a Ferrari in the garage.  What do they use these cars for?  Impressing the shiat out of girls and their financial inferiors.  They can drive the short commute to work, have the valet plug it in, and it's ready for the jaunt from Santa Monica to Malibu at the end of the day.  This is a car that says "I am rich, AND I care about my carbon footprint blah blah blah."

If I could afford hundred thousand dollar toys, I might get one too.  Hopefully they won't hoard ALL the tech they develop and sit on the most useful patents like a troll.  I see the need for an edge, but it would be nice to see some of the innovation leak out to other companies trying to design cars for other markets.  Sort of the way Volvo and Mercedes used to eventually share things like air-bag and seat-belt tech.

Wow. You nailed me...not at all.

I'm stretching a little to make this purchase. As in prioritizing. 42, wife, kid, motgage. You know.

Commute is 30 miles one way.

My value prop is as follows:

1. Reward myself for years of good work

2. Get a technological marvel like iphone was when it came out

3. Get the best everyday car on the market

4. Get access to HOV lane to save time and stress

5. Stop paying for gas. Fark you terrorists!

6. Set an example for my son and others that new/fifferent isn't scary

...


From that description, I'd say I came closer than you think.  Strip out some of the hyperbole in my own comment for a moment and consider it.  A thirty mile commute is practical in a Tesla, that's easily enough to get you to work and back, it's also on the short side for working-class CA, which is where the article was referencing.  Otherwise, your rationale seems to distill down to essentially, "I want it, I can afford it, and I deserve it..."  with some political/ ethical/ whatever on top to make the decision seem less self serving.  Thats fine, but you are still in a position to spend a hundred thousand dollars (more than an average household income in most places) on a car, so you really aren't in the same bracket as the giant mass of people happy to have something with four wheels and a motor.

The main difference is that you seem more like a geek/ car nut than someone buying it to show everyone you can.  I used to work with a guy years ago who was the same way.  he had a Miata just because he wanted one, drove it all the time except in the dead of New England winter. Really, it's your money to spend it how you like, you shouldn't need to have a justification for a purchase.  Like I said originally, I'd probably get one myself if I could.
 
2013-08-24 06:04:42 PM  

Kahabut: The batteries concern me.  A lot.  It's why I haven't put my name on the list for a Model S yet.  Like I said up-thread, I'd buy one if I knew how the batteries were going to hold out against real world driving.  I've been into the RC hobby long enough to not believe anyone when it comes to battery life cycles.  It's as often a matter of quality in manufacturing as it is anything else, and no one has proven Tesla has the process down yet.  As soon as that proof is in the bag, I'll be all over these things.


The batteries are going to be fine.  Seriously.  Your RC batteries are Lithium Polymer.  Designed for very high power density, but not for cycle life.  Even if the Tesla batteries only lasted for 1000 cycles, which is WAY lower than tested, that would be 250,000 miles.  There is absolutely no way that the battery is going to crap out on you prematurely.  And anyway, it's warrantied for 8 years/unlimited miles.  And as far as long term data, the Panasonic 16850s have been around for ages.  There isn't really any mystery to how long they last.  And Tesla really babies them, staying away from the high and low state of charge margins (where almost all of battery degradation occurs) and keeping the temperature regulated.
 
2013-08-24 06:11:28 PM  

mark12A: the creepy Liberal obsession with forcing people out of cars (freedom to travel where you when you want) and into mass transit (where the government can monitor and control your movements) Want to go downtown to protest the latest government abuse? Oops! The trains just shut down...


You have a small point about control and shutting down the system to control protests, but I'd counter that most of the pro-mass-transit arguments are to decrease commuting in your car and go via transit than as a replacement for cars entirely, which is much harder to do. That's what I use it for anyway.

And monitor your movements? You've got to be joking! Or have you missed any of the 1000 stories about police departments and others scattering license plate readers everywhere to gather data for uncontrolled purposes and time spans? I'd be surprised if "teh government" is better able to track people's movements when they go via car than via mass transit... at least at the local level.
 
2013-08-24 06:14:37 PM  

evaned: I'd be surprised if "teh government" is better able to track people's movements when they go via car than via mass transit... at least at the local level.


That should say that I'd be surprised if the government was  not better able to track you in cars.
 
2013-08-24 06:17:04 PM  

ShawnDoc: Subby, TFA is about Tesla cars, not Volkswagens.


LOL. I was gonna guess BMW's, but nearly the same difference. And Porsche? Most reliable Euro brand and one of the more reliable brands overall. The rest of the Euros? Not so great, and that's not even including the French makes.

/ saw my first Tesla today... and I live in flyover country!
// cool looking car
 
2013-08-24 06:32:18 PM  
Kahabut:

It's an income thing.  California has high cost of living, so higher wages as well (kinda) and so what most of the country considers "expensive" is far more common.  I can't speak to soCal, but in norcal the "average" car is an import brand like BMW, Merc, Lexus, Rover, Porsche.  Things that would be taken as status symbols in many parts of the country are considered base models in NorCal.

It's been my experience that driving a BMW or Merc in and around LA is like driving a Honda in Ohio (ie. where they are made). They are everywhere and nothing special.
 
2013-08-24 06:38:16 PM  
Subby's skateboard needs new wheels and mommy won't give him an advance.
 
2013-08-24 07:08:29 PM  
d1435t697bgi2o.cloudfront.net

Electric is sooo 1912.
 
2013-08-24 07:31:04 PM  

Erebus1954: Electric is sooo 1912.


Exactly.  Best to stick with something modern like the Internal Combustion Engine.

preview.turbosquid.com
 
2013-08-24 07:42:45 PM  
Tesla motors assumes power will always cost 10 cents per KWh

The math gets a lot more murky when you realize in a lot of places a Tesla will put you in the 20 to 30 cents per KWh range.

And then there is problems with the last leg of delivery through 60 year old infrastructure.

media.rhizome.org
 
2013-08-24 08:06:27 PM  

Hollie Maea: Your RC batteries are Lithium Polymer


No, they really aren't.  I have some LiPos, but most of mine are NiHd these days.

You missed the point though.  Battery quality is 50% chemistry and 50% build quality.  But given the warranty, I guess that really puts a crimp in my point.
 
2013-08-24 08:07:12 PM  

fluffy2097: Tesla motors assumes power will always cost 10 cents per KWh


Hey dumbass, what do you think is likely to rise faster in price--electricity or gasoline?

/Yes, I know you are just a troll.  You're still a dumbass.
 
2013-08-24 08:12:35 PM  

Kahabut: Battery quality is 50% chemistry and 50% build quality.


Yes and no.  You can make any chemistry crappy if you have poor build quality, but some chemistries are going to have a short life span no matter how careful you are.  The Nickel ones also have a short lifetime, but like LiPo they have great C rates.

Even some of the Chinese cells are doing surprisingly well in cycle life.  CALB LiFePO4 cells have been shown to last well over 3000 cycles.  That means that if you have a reasonable range (75 miles plus) the batteries will likely outlast the car.
 
2013-08-24 08:28:00 PM  

Hollie Maea: fluffy2097: Tesla motors assumes power will always cost 10 cents per KWh

Hey dumbass, what do you think is likely to rise faster in price--electricity or gasoline?

/Yes, I know you are just a troll.  You're still a dumbass.


Depends on how fast the load on the grid increases.

The price of electricity, is correlated to it's use. If everyone, or even 10% of people switches to electric, we end up a massive surplus of refined, high octane gasoline for my car, and I will roar past you getting 19MPG with the AC on laughing, while you are stuck in traffic hoping to get home and maybe get half an hours charge in before the cost of electricity doubles.
 
2013-08-24 08:39:30 PM  

FarkerSnow: In a few years Tesla will take the reputation established off the model S and start releasing cars priced in the $30k zone. Like this one, which I would consider buying when my A3 is getting old... (and yes, farkers, I drive like a dick in that thing).

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Yeah, most people who drive VW Golfs drive like dicks.
 
2013-08-24 08:52:28 PM  
As someone who drives a Prius and loves the gas mileage I get, I farking hate the car and won't ever buy another one. The ride sucks, the interior is cheap and uncomfortable and the car handles for shiat at high speed.
 
2013-08-24 09:05:00 PM  

fluffy2097: If everyone, or even 10% of people switches to electric, we end up a massive surplus of refined, high octane gasoline for my car, and I will roar past you getting 19MPG with the AC on laughing, while you are stuck in traffic hoping to get home and maybe get half an hours charge in before the cost of electricity doubles.


Let me know how that turns out for you.  You should meet the guy who shorted TSLA at $50 a share because he was so certain that his bullshiat arguments on Fark were right.
 
2013-08-24 09:17:11 PM  

change1211: FarkerSnow: In a few years Tesla will take the reputation established off the model S and start releasing cars priced in the $30k zone. Like this one, which I would consider buying when my A3 is getting old... (and yes, farkers, I drive like a dick in that thing).

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Yeah, most people who drive VW Golfs drive like dicks.


Hah! Good one, dude.

Yes, they are built on the same platform. I have a beautifully styled golf with leather seats, dual moon roof, and extra hp. And although the golf also has tiptronic shifting, s tronic is the bomb yo.

It's ok to be jealous. I also get laid a lot by different women.

//don't actually drive like a dick
//defensive driving and turn signals ftw
 
2013-08-24 10:13:46 PM  
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