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2013-08-24 11:08:08 AM  
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The Howard.
 
2013-08-24 11:56:22 AM  
If I could afford a $80-100,000 for a car I would buy one, but I can't so I won't.  Electric cars are becoming mainstream, I see more and more Nissan Leafs on the road every day.  That is good. The Tesla will create some great new technologies I'm sure but it will never be mainstream.  It has a chance to become as popular as the Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series, but I see that as the maximum volume for their business model.
 
2013-08-24 01:24:45 PM  
Subby, TFA is about Tesla cars, not Volkswagens.
 
2013-08-24 01:59:08 PM  

Tom_Slick: If I could afford a $80-100,000 for a car I would buy one, but I can't so I won't.  Electric cars are becoming mainstream, I see more and more Nissan Leafs on the road every day.  That is good. The Tesla will create some great new technologies I'm sure but it will never be mainstream.  It has a chance to become as popular as the Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series, but I see that as the maximum volume for their business model.


Well, people buying Teslas for $80K-$100K help advance the technology to the point where we'll have electric cars in the $20K price range.  It's like any other technology: the early adapters pay for its advancement.

Subby's cheap shot on Tesla seems especially tone-deaf, since the consensus I've seen on the Tesla Roadster is that it's the first all-electric car that performs as well as most gas-powered cars.  It's the first electric car that stands on its merit and you might want just because it's an awesome car, not because you want to make a statement and drive an electric car.
 
2013-08-24 02:06:07 PM  

jake_lex: Tom_Slick: If I could afford a $80-100,000 for a car I would buy one, but I can't so I won't.  Electric cars are becoming mainstream, I see more and more Nissan Leafs on the road every day.  That is good. The Tesla will create some great new technologies I'm sure but it will never be mainstream.  It has a chance to become as popular as the Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series, but I see that as the maximum volume for their business model.

Well, people buying Teslas for $80K-$100K help advance the technology to the point where we'll have electric cars in the $20K price range.  It's like any other technology: the early adapters pay for its advancement.

Subby's cheap shot on Tesla seems especially tone-deaf, since the consensus I've seen on the Tesla Roadster is that it's the first all-electric car that performs as well as most gas-powered cars.  It's the first electric car that stands on its merit and you might want just because it's an awesome car, not because you want to make a statement and drive an electric car.


I get that the Tesla will advance the technology, but the gist of the article was that the Tesla was becoming mainstream, when I think of mainstream cars I think of the Accord, Camry, Fusion etc. not an $80,000 luxury car.
 
2013-08-24 02:31:02 PM  
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2013-08-24 02:32:28 PM  
That would be Mercedes-Benz.  Their quality has plummeted while their prices have sky-rocketed
 
2013-08-24 02:32:56 PM  
Funnt how there's been a spate of negative headlines on Fark lately about electric and hybrid cars.  It's almost as if the oil industry was paying people to submit them.  But, of course, that would never happen.
 
2013-08-24 02:33:28 PM  
As the owner of a Mustang California Special, I'm getting a kick......


/very reliable
//and fast
///I have a small penis.
 
2013-08-24 02:36:14 PM  
Test drove Tesla this week. Putting deposit down today. ~2 months delivery. Can't wait.
 
2013-08-24 02:36:30 PM  
Subby is trolling. The Model S got a 99 out of 100 from Consumer Reports, Motor Trend car of the year and maxed out the NHTSA safety rating. Like it or not, nothing there would make anyone think the car is unreliable. Overpriced? Well, given the high-standard of quality and safety, that's a very subjective thing to say. Like many others have said, if I had the cash, I would buy one, and having said that, I would not buy an equally priced BMW, Cadillac, Porsche, or even those manufacturers cheaper models for that matter.
 
2013-08-24 02:38:23 PM  
Was subby touched in the bathing suit area by a Tesla once?
 
2013-08-24 02:39:04 PM  
Isn't this how everything cool in the auto industry goes, though?  Neat new features start out as big-ticket items in high-end luxury cars so that people who are willing to shell out $80k for a car can pay for the research, design and implementation of the new feature and once it's popular enough that the company can benefit from economies of scale, it trickles down into the models that the rest of us can afford.  There was a time when only rich people could have power windows or keyless entry.  I don't see why it would be any different with electric engines.
 
2013-08-24 02:39:11 PM  

The article is about tesla, not GM.

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/So far it sounds like they've been knocking it out of the park.
/too rich for my blood, but its good to see electrics gaining a foothold.
 
2013-08-24 02:39:26 PM  
I remember hearing about how all of those Prius owners would one day be sorry.  I get it.  It's new.  Try not to be afraid.  It's only a car.
 
2013-08-24 02:39:37 PM  

lilbjorn: Funnt how there's been a spate of negative headlines on Fark lately about electric and hybrid cars.  It's almost as if the oil industry was paying people to submit them.  But, of course, that would never happen.


Your foiled hat is showing.
 
2013-08-24 02:40:14 PM  
Anyone know if Tesla is looking into the new Formula E racing series? I doubt they would go in as a competitor, but I could see them sponsoring a race. Toyota had the naming rights for the Sonoma race before they were in the NASCAR cup series.

I'd like to take the hyperloop down to the Tesla 200 in LA. Then I will know that I'm living in the future.
 
2013-08-24 02:41:02 PM  
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2013-08-24 02:43:03 PM  

cygnusx13: Test drove Tesla this week. Putting deposit down today. ~2 months delivery. Can't wait.


Not to get your hopes up but they have been known to arrive faster than projected.
 
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2013-08-24 02:43:51 PM  
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"Yes. Yes, this is the one.  I saw THREE of these parked outside of the local Starbucks this morning, which tells me one thing."
 
2013-08-24 02:44:01 PM  
I've heard this. Keeping 2 mo in my head for upside surprise.
 
2013-08-24 02:48:17 PM  

dkimball: That would be Mercedes-Benz.  Their quality has plummeted while their prices have sky-rocketed


Who cares about quality when you can download parts?
 
2013-08-24 02:49:36 PM  
Whatever, suckers.  I've got my eye on this beauty that has space age design and 70mpg.   Put my deposit down and the dealer assures me the car company will roll out production real soon!

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2013-08-24 02:55:19 PM  
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Consumer Reports = Best car ever tested. http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/ i ndex.html
 
2013-08-24 02:56:18 PM  

ShawnDoc: Subby, TFA is about Tesla cars, not Volkswagens.


Well, you sure seem to be on top of what is actually going on in the automotive world. Expensive and unreliable is certainly the reality for Volkswagen right now

/end sarcasm
 
2013-08-24 02:56:45 PM  

kendelrio: As the owner of a Mustang California Special, I'm getting a kick......


/very reliable
//and fast
///I have a small penis.


Which one, the old one or the new one? If the former, great car. If not, you spent a lot of money for what amounts to a paint job.
 
2013-08-24 03:00:07 PM  

lilbjorn: Funnt how there's been a spate of negative headlines on Fark lately about electric and hybrid cars.  It's almost as if the oil industry was paying people to submit them.  But, of course, that would never happen.


The great thing about being so disconnected from reality is that you turn more people towards the technology you're trying to astroturf than you turn against.

Tesla and electric cars have become propaganda proof, and now the PR firms are only dooming "Detroit".
 
2013-08-24 03:02:44 PM  
All I know is that when in SoCal in business, my rental Taurus or Charger sticks out like a sore thumb. Does anyone buy American any more or is it state law requiring residents to drive foreign make cars?

/Yes, I know where most Accords, Camrys etc are built.
 
2013-08-24 03:03:03 PM  
Does this mean that Californians have stopped buying Priuses? Because I hate those things.

/Seriously, a "gearshift" the size of a soda straw that you push forward for reverse, and back for drive? Fark you, Toyota.
//Not all hybrids suck, but they're a real Rube Goldberg solution. You want 50 mpg? Get a small car with a small engine. Heck, I get 35 mpg in an Accord, which is the biggest car I've ever owned.
 
2013-08-24 03:06:47 PM  
I'd love to know how many of those cars are second cars for the household.  I'd also love to see the zip codes where those cars are being sold.  As was mentioned unthread, the Tesals are actually getting some impressive ratings for safety and reliability, there is still the inherent battery life/ recharge time issue but that will be an issue with all electrics until someone invents a battery that can push a car two hundred plus miles on a charge AND recharge as fast as it takes me to pump thirteen gallons into my gas buggy.

So who is the target market for the Tesla?  Rich people of course.  The kind of people who would otherwise have a Porsche or possibly even a Ferrari in the garage.  What do they use these cars for?  Impressing the shiat out of girls and their financial inferiors.  They can drive the short commute to work, have the valet plug it in, and it's ready for the jaunt from Santa Monica to Malibu at the end of the day.  This is a car that says "I am rich, AND I care about my carbon footprint blah blah blah."

If I could afford hundred thousand dollar toys, I might get one too.  Hopefully they won't hoard ALL the tech they develop and sit on the most useful patents like a troll.  I see the need for an edge, but it would be nice to see some of the innovation leak out to other companies trying to design cars for other markets.  Sort of the way Volvo and Mercedes used to eventually share things like air-bag and seat-belt tech.
 
2013-08-24 03:07:06 PM  

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Consumer Reports = Best car ever tested. http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/09/autos/tesla-model-s-consumer-reports/ i ndex.html



It's interesting to me that there are so many other equally expensive--of not more expensive--cars that don't rate anywhere close to the Tesla for safety. It's nice to see an automobile manufacturer actually care about making a safe car and not offer excuses as to why they can't do it.

Hopefully, some of the Tesla engineering safety advances will become available in less expensive cars.
 
2013-08-24 03:08:47 PM  
Actually, some of us couldn't give a rat's @$$ about any freakin' car. Some of us are stupid enough to be happy getting around on a bicycle.

Work and back every day.

Grocery shopping yea!

A ride to the local watering hole? You bet.

Chances of getting pulled over on my way home? Nyet.

I love my bicycle as much as many of you love your cars.

I don't care if you think it's strange.

I don't care if you think I don't belong on the road.

Though, if you do, you should sell your car and take the bus. You don't belong on the road.

/threadjack
 
2013-08-24 03:11:17 PM  
Gotta love watching tiny women driving around alone in massive SUVs that they cannot handle with gas at the prices they are at.

I love CA, but man, people are f'in stupid.
 
2013-08-24 03:11:50 PM  

TwowheelinTim: Actually, some of us couldn't give a rat's @$$ about any freakin' car. Some of us are stupid enough to be happy getting around on a bicycle.

Work and back every day.

Grocery shopping yea!

A ride to the local watering hole? You bet.

Chances of getting pulled over on my way home? Nyet.

I love my bicycle as much as many of you love your cars.

I don't care if you think it's strange.

I don't care if you think I don't belong on the road.

Though, if you do, you should sell your car and take the bus. You don't belong on the road.

/threadjack


that or maybe DUI ?
 
2013-08-24 03:12:13 PM  

cygnusx13: Test drove Tesla this week. Putting deposit down today. ~2 months delivery. Can't wait.


The factory is in Fremont, CA and we live in San Francisco.  We picked it up at the factory and drove it the long way home.  Down the East Bay and up to SF via I 280.  An "E-Ticket Ride" as some older folks would say.  Get the "S" package.  The anticipation is worth it.  Enjoy.
 
2013-08-24 03:14:49 PM  

jake_lex: Subby's cheap shot on Tesla seems especially tone-deaf, since the consensus I've seen on the Tesla Roadster is that it's the first all-electric car that performs as well as most gas-powered cars


Though I've not driven one, I've been to the nearby showroom to sit inside and they are certainly luxurious. I see about one a day on our California freeways.  They're quiet rocket ships.
 
2013-08-24 03:15:27 PM  

lilbjorn: Funnt how there's been a spate of negative headlines on Fark lately about electric and hybrid cars.  It's almost as if the oil industry was paying people to submit them.  But, of course, that would never happen.


They don't have to. It's a lot of old people. Old, useless people who have nothing better to do than cry about how things are turning worse.
 
2013-08-24 03:15:44 PM  
Adolf Oliver Nipples:Which one, the old one or the new one? If the former, great car. If not, you spent a lot of money for what amounts to a paint job.

2012. I dunno what you mean about a paint job. I have had 0 problems out of it. Please expand on this.
 
2013-08-24 03:18:20 PM  

kendelrio: ///I have a small penis.


As do almost all of the pretty boys your Mom calls friends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbTW928sMU
 
2013-08-24 03:19:51 PM  

dirkfunk: ShawnDoc: Subby, TFA is about Tesla cars, not Volkswagens.

Well, you sure seem to be on top of what is actually going on in the automotive world. Expensive and unreliable is certainly the reality for Volkswagen right now

/end sarcasm


Chill, man, he's kidding. Or are you just a defensive widdle subby?
 
2013-08-24 03:19:57 PM  

Zizzowop: Subby is trolling. The Model S got a 99 out of 100 from Consumer Reports, Motor Trend car of the year and maxed out the NHTSA safety rating. Like it or not, nothing there would make anyone think the car is unreliable. Overpriced? Well, given the high-standard of quality and safety, that's a very subjective thing to say. Like many others have said, if I had the cash, I would buy one, and having said that, I would not buy an equally priced BMW, Cadillac, Porsche, or even those manufacturers cheaper models for that matter.


Speaking of safety: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-20/teslas-model-s-sedan- d estroys-safety-tests-dot-dot-dot-literally
 
2013-08-24 03:20:24 PM  
I want one so. But, I'm thwarted by geography and money. Some day.
 
2013-08-24 03:21:48 PM  
In a few years Tesla will take the reputation established off the model S and start releasing cars priced in the $30k zone. Like this one, which I would consider buying when my A3 is getting old... (and yes, farkers, I drive like a dick in that thing).

s1.cdn.autoevolution.com
 
2013-08-24 03:22:37 PM  

mbillips: Does this mean that Californians have stopped buying Priuses? Because I hate those things.


Lol, no. The article states that the Prius is the top selling car in the state.

Figures. They probably prefer macbooks and iphones as well.

California needs its own tag, but I guess we already have the 'dumbass' tag.
 
2013-08-24 03:26:12 PM  

kendelrio: Adolf Oliver Nipples:Which one, the old one or the new one? If the former, great car. If not, you spent a lot of money for what amounts to a paint job.

2012. I dunno what you mean about a paint job. I have had 0 problems out of it. Please expand on this.


The original California Special was a Mustang that was modified with Shelby parts such that it was an amalgamation of a stock Mustang and a 350GT. To this day it stands out if you're lucky enough to see one.

The current California Special is more or less a paint job, just one more Mustang in a sea of them.
 
2013-08-24 03:32:40 PM  
Delay:As do almost all of the pretty boys your Mom calls friends.


Being as I buried my mom last week, thanks.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: the current California Special is more or less a paint job, just one more Mustang in a sea of them.


I have looked up the original, they were bad mofo's. Have you checked the specs on the '12 CS? Lots more to it than a paintjob.
 
2013-08-24 03:32:47 PM  
Californians love overpriced, unreliable cars
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2013-08-24 03:37:40 PM  

mjohnson71: All I know is that when in SoCal in business, my rental Taurus or Charger sticks out like a sore thumb. Does anyone buy American any more or is it state law requiring residents to drive foreign make cars?

/Yes, I know where most Accords, Camrys etc are built.


It's an income thing.  California has high cost of living, so higher wages as well (kinda) and so what most of the country considers "expensive" is far more common.  I can't speak to soCal, but in norcal the "average" car is an import brand like BMW, Merc, Lexus, Rover, Porsche.  Things that would be taken as status symbols in many parts of the country are considered base models in NorCal.

When I lived in the bay area a few years back, one of my neighbors had a BMW art car.  A totally unique paint job done by some famous artist.  My other neighbor had a rolls, and the one across the street had a collection of exotics.  Including an F40 and an original Shelby Cobra.

None of these people were "rich", except by Fark standards.  They weren't hurting, but if you called them 1%ers they would laugh in your face and dismiss you as an idiot.

I think the Tesla S is a bad ass car, and in 5-10 years, if they hold up half as well as they are advertised to do, I'll be getting whatever the new model is then.  My biggest problem with the current crop of electrics isn't price, it's the reliability factor.  I have two friends with Volts, and they are both in the shop more often than they are on the road, which I think is disturbing.  My custom built engine in my 20 year old car doesn't have anywhere near the reliability problem that those brand new Volts have, and that's a BAD sign.  The prius too, great car for 5 years, but you better sell it before the maintenance comes due.

I'm probably just weird though, I like my durable goods to be durable.
 
2013-08-24 03:38:43 PM  
Yeah, but they're just compensating for their reliable and affordable penises.

/am I doing it right?
 
2013-08-24 03:43:36 PM  

dirkfunk: ShawnDoc: Subby, TFA is about Tesla cars, not Volkswagens.

Well, you sure seem to be on top of what is actually going on in the automotive world. Expensive and unreliable is certainly the reality for Volkswagen right now

/end sarcasm


I thought that was Jaguar...
 
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