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(Buffalo News)   Cops seize batch of "heroin" that's 0% heroin, and 100% the stuff the nurses gave Subby's wife during labor. Good news if you're a junkie about to have a baby   (buffalonews.com) divider line 77
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2013-08-24 09:02:53 AM
Fentanyl is a super-potent shorter acting narcotic.  Junkies love the stuff.  It's what anesthesiologists get hooked on.  It's also much more expensive than heroin.
 
2013-08-24 10:28:30 AM
So, are we winning The War on Drugstm.
 
2013-08-24 10:29:06 AM
I was given fentanyl after a 4in1 (sinuses, septum, tonsils, vasectomy) surgery.  During my 3 week recovery, it was all about liquid Oxycontin.  Fentanyl was stronger by far.  Oxy was vicious.  I went through a liter of that stuff and a further 500mL afterward just to wean me off it.

Going cold-turkey when I had to subject medical circuit boards to the business end of my soldering iron for a living was not an option.
 
2013-08-24 10:29:35 AM
That's no joke if its out on the street. In 2006 in Chicago a bunch of people died from taking fentanyl thinking it was heroin.

Maybe there's a fentanyl serial killer at work, I don't think they ever caught the Chicago dealer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/03/AR200 6 060300602.html
 
2013-08-24 10:30:02 AM
Why, that's not heroin at all!
 
2013-08-24 10:30:09 AM
They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.
 
2013-08-24 10:30:52 AM
So your wife is a junkie subby?
 
2013-08-24 10:33:24 AM
This is news? Pretty much all heroin you buy that's white is fentanyl based. I prefer the brown stuff myself, but many seem to prefer the fentanyl based stuff.
 
2013-08-24 10:36:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.


Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy
 
2013-08-24 10:39:14 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


At the point you've decided to use heroin, you've practically given up on leading a productive life. It's not the kind of thing you blithely do at a party like coke or pot.

Heroin is the neck tattoo of drugs.
 
2013-08-24 10:39:27 AM
I'm an EMT in a small town that is apparently one one edge of a "heroin" transportation triangle between 3 cities.    Whenever there is a local batch of "heroin" that actually has more heroin in it we get a bunch of shooters in respiratory arrest.    I guess they get used to doing 3 bags instead of 2 and then when it's strong they OD.

A shot of narcan is amazing and man are they pissed when they wake up.   Off topic, I have 3 kids in their early 20's and it sucks to see most of the junkies at that age.
 
2013-08-24 10:39:36 AM
Sounds like a self-correcting problem to me. No more junkies = no more dealers.
 
2013-08-24 10:39:44 AM
Fentanyl is 100 times stronger than morphine. A guy I know had patches of the stuff, and gave me one when I threw my back out a few years ago. I was so wrecked an hour later I took it off and was still wasted for hours. The patches last for 3 days.

It's no farking joke.
 
2013-08-24 10:40:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.


that was fen-phen

different stuff
 
2013-08-24 10:40:43 AM
Watch out for that red part:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-08-24 10:40:46 AM
csb: When I was in junior high or high school, some kid was looking to buy uppers.  I found some pills in our medicine cabinet labeled Upjohn and thought 'close enough', and sold them to the kid for some amount of money. To this day I have no idea what the medicine actually was but I heard the kid wanted to kick my ass. I guess the moral is....squirrel!
 
2013-08-24 10:41:24 AM

Lars The Canadian Viking: This is news? Pretty much all heroin you buy that's white is fentanyl based. I prefer the brown stuff myself, but many seem to prefer the fentanyl based stuff.


Heroin mixed with fentanyl isn't very common (mostly because fentanyl itself is waaay more expensive than heroin).  When it pops up, lots of people die.  Seems to happen every few years.  And this wasn't a mix, anyway.  TFA says that the stuff was tested and is 100% fentanyl.  Scary stuff.

BUT AT LEAST IT WASN'T BATH SALTS.
 
2013-08-24 10:42:01 AM
Hey, I got that stuff when I had my first kid! I needed a nap. Knocked me right out. I wonder what the dosing difference is for "high" vs. "asleep".
 
2013-08-24 10:43:17 AM
They gave me Fentanyl in the ER a few weeks ago and did nothing... damn.
 
2013-08-24 10:43:47 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


I met a guy who had gone from being a total heroin junkie to a completely clean lifestyle. When he was a junkie, he was regularly blowing old men for cash. He wasn't gay, but he claimed that if the urge to shoot up was strong enough, sucking a dick was pretty easy compared to breaking into houses and robbing people. Anyway, he cleaned up before I met him, and stayed clean until he died, but he did get very strong urges every few years. When he got those urges, he'd commit himself to a hospital for a week or so until the urges passed. He was an interesting guy, but he ended up dying in his mid-late 50s. I guess the drug use took its toll.
 
2013-08-24 10:44:18 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


I have a cousin who has been clean for quite some time now.  I think his daughter has a lot to do with that.

A former coworker used to brag about two overdoses that nearly killed him.  He went back on it last I heard.  Hasn't been heard from since then, though.
 
2013-08-24 10:45:38 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


I worked in a drug rehab facility for awhile.  It happens all the time. I was surprised at how often a heroin addict with a 20 year old habit would walk into the place and ask for help, like they were trying to quit smoking.  Not the majority of people by any stretch of the imagination, but more than I would have guessed.
 
2013-08-24 10:47:51 AM
ocd002:
Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

If you don't have an addictive personality, you can do it and any other drug with impunity. Susceptibility to addiction ranges across a spectrum: Some people will get addicted to anything easily, some people can't get addicted even if they try; most are somewhere in the middle.

As for people that managed to get addicted to IV opiates/opioids, and are normal, productive members of society, I've known a few.
 
2013-08-24 10:51:00 AM
I've been birthing with Mr. Brownstone...
 
2013-08-24 10:52:52 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


A friend of mine is a recovering addict; she seems to be doing well for the time being.

That said, there is also the William S Burroughs option, which is being a junky but living till 83 anyway.

As for a "productive life", those are some fighting words. "Productive" in what way? Made a lot of money? Made a lot of money for someone else (good employee)? Had a family an kids? Did something socially valued (like fight in Vietnam or Iraq)?
 
2013-08-24 10:54:59 AM

Anastacya: They gave me Fentanyl in the ER a few weeks ago and did nothing... damn.


Well, hey, now we know which ER the Fentanyl in the article came from.
 
2013-08-24 10:58:40 AM
As already commented, Fentanyl is more potent than heroin. It is a synthetic form of morphine, and the same class of drug as heroin. Fentanyl is commonly used as a pain medication in hospitals and on ambulances because it works faster than other narcotics. Someone mistaking Fentanyl for heroin is headed for a dirt nap.
 
2013-08-24 11:00:22 AM

adamatari: ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy

A friend of mine is a recovering addict; she seems to be doing well for the time being.

That said, there is also the William S Burroughs option, which is being a junky but living till 83 anyway.

As for a "productive life", those are some fighting words. "Productive" in what way? Made a lot of money? Made a lot of money for someone else (good employee)? Had a family an kids? Did something socially valued (like fight in Vietnam or Iraq)?


I'll give any ex-junkie credit for a "productive life" if s/he is staying out of jail, holding down a job (any job), and paying taxes. The junk ain't no joke.
 
2013-08-24 11:01:43 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


My aunt had a boyfriend who did heroin fairly regularly and seemed to be  able to more or less juggle it and a productive lifestyle. Apparently whenever my aunt needed money for something like school or car repairs or whatever he'd quit his habit for a few weeks, maybe a month or two, save up what she needed, then go right back to it once she was taken care of. Not sure what happened to him after they broke up though.
 
2013-08-24 11:02:23 AM

ocd002: Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.


Qualified yes. I've known people who had a glancing encounter or three, but who never got anywhere near actual junkie status. You could argue about whether they were ever productive, but their lives were definitely not ruined by heroin. (You could also argue about whether I was ever productive, and my lifetime illicit drug experience amounts to two joints.)

I've never known any actual heroin addicts, though (that I know of).
 
2013-08-24 11:03:24 AM

darwinpolice: Heroin mixed with fentanyl isn't very common (mostly because fentanyl itself is waaay more expensive than heroin). When it pops up, lots of people die. Seems to happen every few years. And this wasn't a mix, anyway. TFA says that the stuff was tested and is 100% fentanyl. Scary stuff.


The main cost of heroin is not the manufacture, but getting it into the country. Heroin dose is in mg, fentanyl dose is in ug, so which do you think is cheaper per dose once cut is added? Fentanyl diverted from a legitimate, pharmaceutical source is more expensive in some cases. I should also point out that the kind of fentanyl made illicitly is slightly different chemically due to ease of manufacture.

Also, when the cops said 100% fentanyl, I'm betting that there was a wire crossed somewhere and the actual case was that 100% of the active components in what they seized was fentanyl. It's possible, but I have a hard time believing it: People have overdosed just from handling pure fentanyl without gloves on, how did he package it?
 
2013-08-24 11:13:05 AM

adamatari: ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy

A friend of mine is a recovering addict; she seems to be doing well for the time being.

That said, there is also the William S Burroughs option, which is being a junky but living till 83 anyway.

As for a "productive life", those are some fighting words. "Productive" in what way? Made a lot of money? Made a lot of money for someone else (good employee)? Had a family an kids? Did something socially valued (like fight in Vietnam or Iraq)?


Productive meaning: being able to hold down a job, keeping a roof over your head, maybe having a long term relationship and a family.
 
2013-08-24 11:17:00 AM
Fentanyl, of course, is not heroin submitter.

It's magical orthopedic feel good happy medicine.
 
2013-08-24 11:17:12 AM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


Guy I knew growing up who got into heroin has been clean and a productive member of society for 8 or 9 years now. As long as I've known him, dude has always been a pushover when it comes to the girl he likes, ended up dating some girl who had drug problems thinking he could fix her, and well, that's always a stupid plan and he ended up using. He ended up getting arrested for heroin possession, the court ordered rehab actually worked, and he got his act back together.

I don't know how common that is though.
 
2013-08-24 11:18:45 AM
www.findtherightduragesicfentanylpatchlawyer.com
 
2013-08-24 11:21:38 AM
A better question is, why was the dealer 'out on bail' at the time of his arrest, when he has an, quite, "extensive criminal history"?
 
2013-08-24 11:23:11 AM

Lars The Canadian Viking: I'm betting that there was a wire crossed somewhere and the actual case was that 100% of the active components in what they seized was fentanyl.


Bullshiat.  Cops are experts on drugs and there's no way that one of these paragons of public service could've made such a silly mistake.

(That is a very good point)
 
2013-08-24 11:26:13 AM
Hey, twice in a week I get to use this image.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-24 11:27:59 AM

Securitywyrm: A better question is, why was the dealer 'out on bail' at the time of his arrest, when he has an, quite, "extensive criminal history"?


Because of that pesky Constitution.
 
2013-08-24 11:33:49 AM
The pharma industry actually puts very low doses of fentanyl in lollipops to calm children down during examinations.  Really,,, pretty sick IMHO.
 
2013-08-24 11:42:44 AM

StoPPeRmobile: So, are we winning The War on Drugstm.


"They" won it long ago.
Now, you just pay "them" and all is right w/ the world.
 
2013-08-24 11:48:38 AM

berylman: The pharma industry actually puts very low doses of fentanyl in lollipops to calm children down during examinations.  Really,,, pretty sick IMHO.



www.designer-drug.com
It's actually very high doses for kids with cancer.
 
2013-08-24 12:00:32 PM

ocd002: Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?


I give you The Man who Defeated Darwin.

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-08-24 12:04:52 PM

berylman: The pharma industry actually puts very low doses of fentanyl in lollipops to calm children down during examinations.  Really,,, pretty sick IMHO.


Shut up, and stop pontificating about things you have no clue about. Fentanyl isn't used to alleviate anxiety anyway.

The put the fentanyl in lollipops to give it to cancer patients who have severe esophagitis and stomatitis who cannot swallow pain medicine, and are in levels of pain you can't comprehend.
 
2013-08-24 12:33:21 PM

darwinpolice: Lars The Canadian Viking: I'm betting that there was a wire crossed somewhere and the actual case was that 100% of the active components in what they seized was fentanyl.

Bullshiat.  Cops are experts on drugs and there's no way that one of these paragons of public service could've made such a silly mistake.

(That is a very good point)


It wouldn't be the cops, it would be the forensic lab doing some sort of mass spec analysis. Forensic labs require highly trained individuals with the knowledge and experience to use the advanced equipment which tests these things.

More likely is that the lab told the cops specifically what was found, the cops mistranslated it to the media, who again mistranslated it when typing out their article.
 
2013-08-24 12:33:56 PM

ocd002: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

Side question for everyone along those lines:

Have you ever known anyone to be on heroin, get off of it, stay off of it, and go on to lead a productive life?

Was having this discussion last night with a friend. I've never heard of anyone manage that. It seems to me that you try heroin and that's it, you are stuck on heroin.

Just curious as my experience with heroin users is limited to a kid I worked with years ago and a gal I knew who died last year from an overdose of other meds but who was on Oxy


My sister. She went on to go to grad school for physics and worked on the large hadron collider in Switzerland.
 
2013-08-24 12:35:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.


you're thinking of phentermine.

/derp
 
2013-08-24 12:47:20 PM

geekasaurus: AverageAmericanGuy: They used to give this stuff to fat people to aid weightloss until it was found to fark up their arteries.

Frankly, losing a heroin addict to something like this doesn't sound like the end of the world.

you're thinking of phentermine.

/derp


Phentermine, Fentanyl
Tomato, Tomahto

Practically the same stuff, you know.
 
2013-08-24 12:47:42 PM
hardinparamedic:stop pontificating about things you have no clue about. Fentanyl isn't used to alleviate anxiety anyway.
Fair enough
 
2013-08-24 12:52:57 PM
Lars The Canadian Viking:

[www.designer-drug.com image 399x321]
It's actually very high doses for kids with cancer.


Damn, that's the most deceptively sad picture I've ever seen. "Yay, lollipops! I like them because they're strawberry and they make the pain of my cancer slightly more bearable!"

/sad now
 
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