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(Kansas City)   Twenty-six members of a Bicycle gang blow through stop sign. Police stop them all and write each one a shiny new $100 ticket   (kansascity.com) divider line 358
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NFA [TotalFark]
2013-08-23 09:04:59 PM
It's about FARKING TIME!

I'm a bicyclist and it pisses me off when morons routinely blow through red lights, stops signs and essentially violate every imaginable traffic law with impunity.
Once while I was in Annapolis, I was turning left from the left turn lane (driving my truck) and a bicyclist in the right lane, turned across my path.  I had to jam on the brakes to avoid killing him and then the asshole flipped me off.  Every single day I see bicyclists highly dangerous moving violations.
 
2013-08-23 09:27:21 PM

NFA: It's about FARKING TIME!


agree!
 
2013-08-23 09:36:52 PM

NFA: It's about FARKING TIME!

I'm a bicyclist and it pisses me off when morons routinely blow through red lights, stops signs and essentially violate every imaginable traffic law with impunity.
Once while I was in Annapolis, I was turning left from the left turn lane (driving my truck) and a bicyclist in the right lane, turned across my path.  I had to jam on the brakes to avoid killing him and then the asshole flipped me off.  Every single day I see bicyclists highly dangerous moving violations.


 That's sounds like what I deal with on the streets of NYC.

/not a day goes by where I almost get plowed thru
 
2013-08-23 11:52:23 PM
How does that work in reality? They are not required to have ID, there's no plate, what's to stop 26 John Does?
 
2013-08-24 12:04:07 AM
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2013-08-24 12:43:07 AM

EvilEgg: How does that work in reality? They are not required to have ID, there's no plate, what's to stop 26 John Does?




i162.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-24 12:44:01 AM
FTFA: "They not only have the same rights as vehicles on the road but also the same responsibilities, including obeying red lights and stop signs," said Prairie Village Police Sgt. James Carney.

Yup, I may get a bike ticket someday, but I obey stop signs and lights at least 80% of the time, so it'll probably be a while.
 
2013-08-24 12:54:00 AM
Why bother? It's a Darwinian process, guys. Inevitably the bicyclist that blows a stop sign will soon be an example of the laws of physics.
 
2013-08-24 04:05:45 AM
fark that. RICO their asses.
 
2013-08-24 04:06:40 AM

EvilEgg: How does that work in reality? They are not required to have ID, there's no plate, what's to stop 26 John Does?


Glocks have about 13 in the magazine. Two cops in a squad car...
 
2013-08-24 04:12:30 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Why bother? It's a Darwinian process, guys. Inevitably the bicyclist that blows a stop sign will soon be an example of the laws of physics.


Do you want to wipe blood and gore off of your car? Why put innocent parties through the trauma of accidentally killing some stupid asshole? If all they did was ride off a cliff or into a fencepost I would agree with you. But most of them end up getting hit by cars. And they also cause car drivers to hate all bicyclists, including those of us who try to ride safely and obey the traffic laws.
 
2013-08-24 04:13:16 AM
I'm curious how this thread is going to turn out.
Who do Farkers hate more- cops or bicylists ?
No dog in this fight, I am ok with both groups, but they each seem to bring out foaming at the mouth haters around here.
I am glad these dillweeds got ticketed though.
 
2013-08-24 04:13:38 AM
I really wish cops in Austin would do this more regularly. A lot of the cyclists I see there either don't know jack about traffic laws, or know and just don't care. It really sucks, too, because I see plenty that ride cautiously and courteously, but the idiots just ruin it for them.

ESPECIALLY during "Critical Mass," when the douchiest cyclists in town all get together and ride around in a manner that's just begging for an out-of-towner in a jacked up Ram truck to go plowing through them like that picture I'm too lazy to GIS. You know the one.
 
2013-08-24 04:14:50 AM
About every week a large group of lycra adorned bike riders go through town.  We have decent bike lanes so you'd think there wouldn't be a problem.  You thought wrong.  The bike lane has enough space to ride two abreast no problem.  So of course they ride at least three abreast because, fark you that's why.  And of course this is in the morning when normal people need to get to work.

If I ever snap, I hope it's on bike douche day.
 
2013-08-24 04:15:09 AM
"Carney said Prairie Village Police Chief Wes Jordan wants his officers to be proactive on safety in the wake of two fatal accidents involving cyclists in recent years. "

then he's either a liar or an idiot.  "proactive" would be to meet with the group and remind them of their rights and responsibilities.  "reactive" is lying in wait when you suspect they'll commit an infraction for monetary gain.
 
2013-08-24 04:15:40 AM
TFA: "My initial reaction is that we definitely, as cyclists, should follow the laws,"


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy
YA THINK??
 
2013-08-24 04:17:16 AM

stonelotus: "Carney said Prairie Village Police Chief Wes Jordan wants his officers to be proactive on safety in the wake of two fatal accidents involving cyclists in recent years. "

then he's either a liar or an idiot.  "proactive" would be to meet with the group and remind them of their rights and responsibilities.


Because bicyclists are basically children.

"reactive" is lying in wait when you suspect they'll commit an infraction for monetary gain.

What are speed traps....
 
2013-08-24 04:17:26 AM
So when do they start enforcing the law where bicycles have to stay to the right side of the roadway instead of in massive packs blocking all other traffic?
 
2013-08-24 04:24:02 AM
The way I've seen it described best is that when you are cycling you should think of yourself as an emissary for all cyclists and obey road laws and be courteous to drivers as though everyone were judging your behavior as representing all cyclists.

I ride 100 to 150 miles every week at least and I see cyclists running red lights and stop signs all the time as though it's their right.  Just relax and stop at red lights.
 
2013-08-24 04:27:49 AM
Gang, at the blow bang?
 
2013-08-24 04:29:04 AM

stonelotus: "Carney said Prairie Village Police Chief Wes Jordan wants his officers to be proactive on safety in the wake of two fatal accidents involving cyclists in recent years. "

then he's either a liar or an idiot.  "proactive" would be to meet with the group and remind them of their rights and responsibilities.  "reactive" is lying in wait when you suspect they'll commit an infraction for monetary gain.


Well if this is true Carney said the department for years has tried to emphasize safety with the several bicycle clubs that have weekly rides through the city - and to convey complaints from motorists and others. then I would say they have tried to be proactive and been ignored.


Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-08-24 04:29:05 AM

Spaced Lion: ESPECIALLY during "Critical Mass," when the douchiest cyclists in town all get together and ride around in a manner that's just begging for an out-of-towner in a jacked up Ram truck to go plowing through them like that picture I'm too lazy to GIS. You know the one.


America: Where bicycling prompts calls for attempted murder.
 
2013-08-24 04:30:34 AM
My coworker has no idea why I wouldn't want to go to the local 'Cruisers' event. Drunk hipsters on fixies, no thanks.
 
2013-08-24 04:31:51 AM

balancing act: Who do Farkers hate more- cops or bicylists ?


dude, at least cops perform some valuable functions in society preventing some serious ills (not excusing that many departments also create some new problems as well that are arguably as bad), but at least thats something.

name one positive thing the massholes do for anyone?
 
2013-08-24 04:33:00 AM
Cyclists are always the first to claim they have as much right to the road as the cars do. (which may be true, but they SHOULDN'T, its dangerous to all).

Did that statement make you mad because YOUR taxes paid for the road too? Well, if you want rights to the road, you damn well better take responsibility, and that includes following the laws, including not passing stopped traffic on the left in their lane.

/ bikes who dont follow any laws are my biggest pet peeve.
 
2013-08-24 04:34:05 AM
I wish more states would pass the "slow then go" law for stop signs. That being said (and I often commute to work by bike), cyclists do need to follow the same laws as motorists. And motorists need to respect the laws afforded cyclists (3 feet usually). Share the road, be nice to each other. It's not difficult.
 
2013-08-24 04:34:59 AM

balancing act: I'm curious how this thread is going to turn out.
Who do Farkers hate more- cops or bicylists ?


Bicyclists are more hated by a wide margin (deservedly so).  At least in most of the threads I've seen.
 
2013-08-24 04:35:09 AM

NFA: It's about FARKING TIME!

I'm a bicyclist and it pisses me off when morons routinely blow through red lights, stops signs and essentially violate every imaginable traffic law with impunity.
Once while I was in Annapolis, I was turning left from the left turn lane (driving my truck) and a bicyclist in the right lane, turned across my path.  I had to jam on the brakes to avoid killing him and then the asshole flipped me off.  Every single day I see bicyclists highly dangerous moving violations.


this x 1 million
 
2013-08-24 04:35:55 AM

powhound: I wish more states would pass the "slow then go" law for stop signs. That being said (and I often commute to work by bike), cyclists do need to follow the same laws as motorists. And motorists need to respect the laws afforded cyclists (3 feet usually). Share the road, be nice to each other. It's not difficult.


That's what "Yield" signs are for.
 
2013-08-24 04:37:30 AM

generallyso: America: Where bicycling prompts calls for attempted murder.


maybe. But really think about it. These guys buy fancy bikes, unfortunately form fitting clothes, and then ride wherever they please often in the way of average joe just trying not to be late to work.... yeah we got the right to hate.
 
2013-08-24 04:39:28 AM

generallyso: Spaced Lion: ESPECIALLY during "Critical Mass," when the douchiest cyclists in town all get together and ride around in a manner that's just begging for an out-of-towner in a jacked up Ram truck to go plowing through them like that picture I'm too lazy to GIS. You know the one.

America: Where bicycling prompts calls for attempted murder.


In the Critical Ass gatherings in my area, it's not a pack of cyclists riding down the road. It's about a hundred cyclists that gather at an intersection, then ride into the middle and just start riding in circles regardless of the light, daring someone to run them down. The last one I saw they kept it up for about 15 minutes (at least 4 or so cycles of the light) before the cops finally showed up, drove a paddywagon into the middle of it, and arrested five or six of them.
 
2013-08-24 04:39:50 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: powhound: I wish more states would pass the "slow then go" law for stop signs. That being said (and I often commute to work by bike), cyclists do need to follow the same laws as motorists. And motorists need to respect the laws afforded cyclists (3 feet usually). Share the road, be nice to each other. It's not difficult.

That's what "Yield" signs are for.


Some states have passed laws that allow cyclists to slow at stop signs to check for traffic, and then proceed as if it is a yield sign provided that there isn't any other traffic. Too lazy to look up which states allow this, but I know Utah was considering implementing that law but unfortunately decided not to go with it.
 
2013-08-24 04:40:38 AM
Some interesting stats pulled from my provincial government's thingy on biking. Actually a bit interesting, and does little to settle the argument.

63% of collisions occur at intersections.
4/5 of those occur when the cyclist is going straight, but only forty percent occur while the motorist is turning. (meaning that roughly half of those accidents are the motorist accelerating into the cyclist after being stopped at an intersection!)

The most common misteak the cyclist makes is "operating without due care" - meaning not being sufficiently alert.
The second most common (roughly half the incidence) is failure to yield right of way (cycling incompetently). This nearly ties with riding on the wrong side of the road.
On the other hand, the most common misteak the motorist makes is failure to yield, and again at roughly half the incidence, it's operating without due care.
Several studies across North America have shown that motorist/cyclist accidents are equally at fault of cyclists and motorists.
 
2013-08-24 04:42:24 AM

generallyso: America: Where bicycling prompts calls for attempted murder.


its not the bicycling part its the bicyclist part that calls for attempted murder.
 
2013-08-24 04:43:40 AM

powhound: be nice to each other. It's not difficult.


Dont I wish this would happen more often the world over in every situation...
 
2013-08-24 04:46:25 AM
I'm a bicycle commuter and I "blow" stop signs all the time. I slow down and look both ways before doing so, at four-way stops and especially where cross traffic doesn't have to stop. The less time I spend in the intersection the better it is for everyone. If I have to stop every time people are going to have to wait because I can't accelerate to 20 mph in an instant like a car can. I do always stop for red lights and don't run them unless it's one of those sensor intersections that will never figure out that I'm there.

Just for reference, here is the intersection where the mayhem apparently occurred. I have a feeling that the cop issuing tickets was less interested in public safety than in sticking it to weirdoes on bikes.

i43.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-24 04:46:47 AM

starsrift: Some interesting stats pulled from my provincial government's thingy on biking. Actually a bit interesting, and does little to settle the argument.

63% of collisions occur at intersections.
4/5 of those occur when the cyclist is going straight, but only forty percent occur while the motorist is turning. (meaning that roughly half of those accidents are the motorist accelerating into the cyclist after being stopped at an intersection!)

The most common misteak the cyclist makes is "operating without due care" - meaning not being sufficiently alert.
The second most common (roughly half the incidence) is failure to yield right of way (cycling incompetently). This nearly ties with riding on the wrong side of the road.
On the other hand, the most common misteak the motorist makes is failure to yield, and again at roughly half the incidence, it's operating without due care.
Several studies across North America have shown that motorist/cyclist accidents are equally at fault of cyclists and motorists.


Some chick I know recently hit a guy on a bike.  Was totally her fault, but apparently he was drunk, so they actually faulted him for the accident and charged him with some form of DUI.

/CSB
//Now I want steak
 
2013-08-24 04:47:33 AM

stonelotus: then he's either a liar or an idiot. "proactive" would be to meet with the group and remind them of their rights and responsibilities. "reactive" is lying in wait when you suspect they'll commit an infraction for monetary gain.


"Carney said the department for years has tried to emphasize safety with the several bicycle clubs that have weekly rides through the city - and to convey complaints from motorists and others."

There come a time where meeting with them and talking to them doesn't work. This appears to be one of those times.

"He said two members of the Brookside club were cited last week by a traffic officer, and one of them promised to spread the word among other members. Then on Thursday, "lo and behold, all 26 of them went right through the stop sign," Carney said."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy
Yep. They were giving the PD a big old middle finger after being cited the week before. That's usually not a good idea. Do not taunt dynamite monkey or guys who can write $100 tickets.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy
 
2013-08-24 04:48:02 AM

CliChe Guevara: balancing act: Who do Farkers hate more- cops or bicylists ?

dude, at least cops perform some valuable functions in society preventing some serious ills (not excusing that many departments also create some new problems as well that are arguably as bad), but at least thats something.

name one positive thing the massholes do for anyone?


I'm going to refer you back to my "no dog in this fight".  I think most cops are well intentioned public servants, and I have never had the type of experiences many Farkers relate about cyclists, so I generally think of them as folks just trying to exercise/get to work/have some fun.  I just find it interesting that both groups are such lighting rods on Fark, when I generally agree with a lot of the groupthink here, but these issues baffle me.
 
2013-08-24 04:50:09 AM
They shoulda impounded the shiat bag's bikes. All 100 of them.
 
2013-08-24 04:50:17 AM

Radioactive Ass: stonelotus: then he's either a liar or an idiot. "proactive" would be to meet with the group and remind them of their rights and responsibilities. "reactive" is lying in wait when you suspect they'll commit an infraction for monetary gain.

"Carney said the department for years has tried to emphasize safety with the several bicycle clubs that have weekly rides through the city - and to convey complaints from motorists and others."

There come a time where meeting with them and talking to them doesn't work. This appears to be one of those times.

"He said two members of the Brookside club were cited last week by a traffic officer, and one of them promised to spread the word among other members. Then on Thursday, "lo and behold, all 26 of them went right through the stop sign," Carney said."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy
Yep. They were giving the PD a big old middle finger after being cited the week before. That's usually not a good idea. Do not taunt dynamite monkey or guys who can write $100 tickets.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/23/4432346/prairie-village-takes-ai m -at-bicycle.html#storylink=cpy


Is there somewhere I can read more about it?
 
2013-08-24 04:51:51 AM
No idea where the read more here links came from.
 
2013-08-24 04:52:20 AM

starsrift: Some interesting stats pulled from my provincial government's thingy on biking. Actually a bit interesting, and does little to settle the argument.

63% of collisions occur at intersections.
4/5 of those occur when the cyclist is going straight, but only forty percent occur while the motorist is turning. (meaning that roughly half of those accidents are the motorist accelerating into the cyclist after being stopped at an intersection!)

The most common misteak the cyclist makes is "operating without due care" - meaning not being sufficiently alert.
The second most common (roughly half the incidence) is failure to yield right of way (cycling incompetently). This nearly ties with riding on the wrong side of the road.
On the other hand, the most common misteak the motorist makes is failure to yield, and again at roughly half the incidence, it's operating without due care.
Several studies across North America have shown that motorist/cyclist accidents are equally at fault of cyclists and motorists.


What that study isn't showing is the multitude of times that alert motorist action has saved the life of a cyclist (or at least prevent serious injury.)

/always more of those stories than the other way around.
//although alert cyclists have periodically saved themselves from bad motorists.
 
2013-08-24 04:56:52 AM

cuzsis: What that study isn't showing is the multitude of times that alert motorist action has saved the life of a cyclist (or at least prevent serious injury.)

/always more of those stories than the other way around.
//although alert cyclists have periodically saved themselves from bad motorists.


Actually, that's exactly what it's showing. Motorists are alert, but contemptuous of the rules of the road, whereas cyclists are mindful of the rules of the road, but they don't pay as much attention. Cyclist posture and typical lack of rear view mirrors probably has something to do with that, as much as "I'm in a car, you're only gonna scratch my paint / I can make it through before the cyclist gets to my side" has to do with motorists assuming the right-of-way they don't actually have.
 
2013-08-24 04:58:41 AM

Bathysphere: My coworker has no idea why I wouldn't want to go to the local 'Cruisers' event. Drunk hipsters on fixies, no thanks.


They did these in Denver when I was driving a cab.  I kinda loved their creativity in their costumes/themes. Hated when they'd take more than one traffic lane or would act like they were taking one then a couple would drunkenly wobble right in front of me while I was driving by.
 
2013-08-24 04:59:46 AM

Radioactive Ass: No idea where the read more here links came from.


Damn it. Does that mean I have to retract my snark? Cause that chafes.
 
2013-08-24 05:03:54 AM
I guess there were no real criminals out that day so cops had to hassle cyclists.

Don't ruin cycling as a means of day-to-day transportation just because the rest of you can't get off your fat asses and do something positive for yourselves and the environment.  I can get to work in 20 minutes if I blow through stop signs when I see cars aren't coming.  If I stop at every stop sign I lose almost fifteen minutes each way from having to accelerate again after every block.
 
2013-08-24 05:04:41 AM

Radioactive Ass: No idea where the read more here links came from.


I'm seeing that a lot these days; some news sites seem to have it coded into the site that if you ctrl+c text off of one of their pages, it also adds the "read more" link to what you copied.  Guess they feel they have to make sure everyone on Facebook knows where you got the quote from or something.
 
2013-08-24 05:06:50 AM

gilgamesh23: I'm a bicycle commuter and I "blow" stop signs all the time. I slow down and look both ways before doing so, at four-way stops and especially where cross traffic doesn't have to stop. The less time I spend in the intersection the better it is for everyone. If I have to stop every time people are going to have to wait because I can't accelerate to 20 mph in an instant like a car can. I do always stop for red lights and don't run them unless it's one of those sensor intersections that will never figure out that I'm there.


Seeing as you should be off to the right hand side of the driving lane, how fast you accelerate is irrelevant.
 
2013-08-24 05:07:20 AM

JesusJuice: I guess there were no real criminals out that day so cops had to hassle cyclists.

Don't ruin cycling as a means of day-to-day transportation just because the rest of you can't get off your fat asses and do something positive for yourselves and the environment.  I can get to work in 20 minutes if I blow through stop signs when I see cars aren't coming.  If I stop at every stop sign I lose almost fifteen minutes each way from having to accelerate again after every block.


Yeah, what do those  law enforcement officers think they're doing, enforcing the laws when people are wantonly flaunting them in a way that endangers themselves and others?  The nerve!
 
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