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2013-08-23 07:55:58 PM
Awesome. I just bought 2!
 
2013-08-23 08:13:05 PM
The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.
 
2013-08-23 08:15:16 PM
img0.etsystatic.com

Lots more on the etsy site.
 
2013-08-23 08:16:16 PM
Hang on ... just one more.

img0.etsystatic.com

I'm out.
 
2013-08-23 08:16:30 PM
I rather like the Ghostbusters proton pack.
 
2013-08-23 09:54:36 PM

One Bad Apple: The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.


To be fair, they were wielded by guys who trained for combat every day of their lives only to completely and utterly suck at it.

/their motto: Who Needs Cover?
 
2013-08-24 02:02:21 AM
Could have used a little more variety. They didn't all need a colored circle behind them. Maybe a triangle or rectangle for a change of pace.
 
2013-08-24 04:28:31 AM
meh
 
2013-08-24 06:26:22 AM
That was best described as boring.
 
2013-08-24 06:28:23 AM
Can you copyright elements of production design?
 
2013-08-24 06:40:34 AM
Good use of Sketchbook Pro.
 
2013-08-24 06:47:58 AM
One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.


To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.
 
2013-08-24 07:12:58 AM

Alphax: That was best described as boring.


Unless you're plannin on seeing other minimalist posters of sci fi weapons, these are the best you'll see today.

/going to find better posters of minimalist sci fi weapons.
 
2013-08-24 08:13:21 AM

Nadie_AZ: [img0.etsystatic.com image 570x570]

Lots more on the etsy site.




Tint it green and you could label that splinter cell.
 
2013-08-24 08:16:15 AM

Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.


The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.
 
2013-08-24 08:18:35 AM

Yotto: To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.


I know they were supposed to be expendable henchmen that SG1 was supposed to be able to cut through to indicate that plucky underdogs fighting against superior numbers but the Jaffa simply were not impressive as soldiers.  Teal'c at least had the sense to duck and cover.  I suppose that is why he was Apophis's prime at one point.
 
2013-08-24 08:22:42 AM
I was promised minimalist posters, and I didn't see any at that link.

Stylized or filterized, sure. But not minimalized.
 
2013-08-24 08:34:36 AM
Why not just paint "I never get laid!" on your wall and save yourself some money?
 
2013-08-24 08:52:04 AM
those are quite ugly and amateur.  sorry.
 
2013-08-24 08:53:47 AM

yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.


Anubis's Kull Warriors had a high rate of fire wrist weapon.
 
2013-08-24 08:59:56 AM
whar death blossom
 
2013-08-24 09:37:05 AM
As always, these things suck.
 
2013-08-24 09:43:03 AM

yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.


Even better is why no system lord other than Anubis ever spent time trying to create something accurate. With their level of tech are you going to tell me they can't create a weapon that works like a Smartlink from Shadowrun? Or even just a sighting laser on the staff weapons would have been an improvement.
 
2013-08-24 09:43:46 AM

snowshovel: I was promised minimalist posters, and I didn't see any at that link.

Stylized or filterized, sure. But not minimalized.


Came here to say this. A bit of negative space does not a minimalist poster make.

I like these fine, they're just not terribly minimal.
 
2013-08-24 09:47:38 AM

JPINFV: yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.

Anubis's Kull Warriors had a high rate of fire wrist weapon.


Yeah, but after encountering the SG teams and their P90s, which arguably might have put the idea in his head.

It just amazes me that with all the in-fighting among the System Lords, none of them ever thought "why don't I give the Jaffa something that shoots faster so I my dudes will have an advantage?"  It took a completely foreign enemy mopping the floor with them before anyone had the thought, and even then it was a small thought that nobody picked up on when they could just throw more dudes at SG-1.  Yet they still had time to brainwash sleeper agents, make human bio-bombs, and fling heavy bombardment weapons disguised as asteroids at the planet.

I guess what I'm saying is SG-1's writing wasn't the best... but I think we all knew that.
 
2013-08-24 09:56:11 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Can you copyright elements of production design?


Yes, and many cease and decist letters will be delivered.
 
2013-08-24 10:03:59 AM

Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.


Yeah, the impression I got was that the Jaffa were bred to be warriors, but really they weren't ever used in the type of combat a warrior class like a Klingon or Jem'Hadar would be. The Jaffa were accustomed to 'battling' compleatly overmatched people and controlling compleatly overmatched slaves. They never needed silly things like tactics because them just showing up was tactic enough. That's why Tealc decided so fast to help SG-1 in the series pilot, he saw someone who could fight back and hold their own even though they were so outnumbered.
But, the Jaffa weapons sure as hell packed a hell of a punch. That Zat gun would be particularly useful-I was surprised it wasn't made standard issue for the SG teams.
 
2013-08-24 10:26:39 AM

Your_Huckleberry: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

Yeah, the impression I got was that the Jaffa were bred to be warriors, but really they weren't ever used in the type of combat a warrior class like a Klingon or Jem'Hadar would be. The Jaffa were accustomed to 'battling' compleatly overmatched people and controlling compleatly overmatched slaves. They never needed silly things like tactics because them just showing up was tactic enough. That's why Tealc decided so fast to help SG-1 in the series pilot, he saw someone who could fight back and hold their own even though they were so outnumbered.
But, the Jaffa weapons sure as hell packed a hell of a punch. That Zat gun would be particularly useful-I was surprised it wasn't made standard issue for the SG teams.


They did point this out in-universe when the SG-1 team was trying to explain the advantages to the P90s to some "free" Jaffa. The staff weapon was considered to be a "weapon of terror". It was less a practical firearm of war than it was a way to instill fear into the populace. It was big and impressive and one shot had a devastating effect.

For Goa'uld on Goa'uld action they stuck to fighting with space ships. It was a totally different way of fighting than how they dealt with humans.
 
2013-08-24 10:29:16 AM

yukichigai: JPINFV: yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.

Anubis's Kull Warriors had a high rate of fire wrist weapon.

Yeah, but after encountering the SG teams and their P90s, which arguably might have put the idea in his head.

It just amazes me that with all the in-fighting among the System Lords, none of them ever thought "why don't I give the Jaffa something that shoots faster so I my dudes will have an advantage?"  It took a completely foreign enemy mopping the floor with them before anyone had the thought, and even then it was a small thought that nobody picked up on when they could just throw more dudes at SG-1.  Yet they still had time to brainwash sleeper agents, make human bio-bombs, and fling heavy bombardment weapons disguised as asteroids at the planet.

I guess what I'm saying is SG-1's writing wasn't the best... but I think we all knew that.


This actually gets addressed in an episode where the rebel Jaffa are being aided by the SGC. SG-1 showed up with food, medicine and a stack of P-90s, only to have the Jaffa pull a sad panda that they didn't bring staff weapons.

O'Neill provides a demonstration with Carter shooting the hell out of some targets, and bluntly points out that the staff weapon was a weapon of TERROR, while their weapons were designed to kill people, and had done pretty well at killing Jaffa to boot.

There are also some scenes where Teal'c and Bra'tac are running around doing rapid fire with staff weapons, so it seems it depended on the training of the warrior.

The rank and file cannon fodder were basically trained to stand there and point the shiny end at the enemy; survival would probably have weeded that out eventually.

/Misses SG-1, Atlantis and SGU
//Goddamn you, Syfy >:(
 
2013-08-24 10:30:56 AM
@timswar

Crap, few seconds too late :)
 
2013-08-24 10:40:59 AM
img1.etsystatic.com

Baumer!
 
2013-08-24 10:43:27 AM

yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.




It was a psychological weapon.
 
2013-08-24 10:47:51 AM
Some of the posters on the Etsy site are really nifty, but... don't IP owners tend to freak out when some other jabrone starts earning a living off unlicensed likenesses/reproductions of their property?  I'm surprised he hasn't been sued out of existence yet.
 
2013-08-24 10:57:10 AM

StoPPeRmobile:


It was a psychological weapon.


Lots of regimes used psychological weapons but you should also have practical weapons to back them up.
 
2013-08-24 11:04:50 AM

One Bad Apple: StoPPeRmobile:


It was a psychological weapon.

Lots of regimes used psychological weapons but you should also have practical weapons to back them up.




The Romans figured out that you kinda don't need them. What practical about a gladius versus a mob? It's a numbers game and psychology is key. There aren't enough authoritarian stooges to go around.
 
2013-08-24 11:21:59 AM

StoPPeRmobile:

The Romans figured out that you kinda don't need them. What practical about a gladius versus a mob?


Ask the Boudica rebels.


The Romans weren't too impressive in any one on one basis but they still somehow conquered most of Europe. They were the original masters of combined arms. A gladius is little more than a double edged machete but when employed behind a shield wall it can overcome a mob with a 10 to 1 numerical advantage.


Face it. The G'uald staff blowing shiat up just looks cool to the writers and producers of the show. Very little of popular scifi approaches war with any understanding of how current technology actually works let alone in the future. You can say the same about the ST phasers. Hardly anyone uses them from a stable stance and most often they are fired from the hip. SW is even worse but both are more about swashbuckling than any science.
 
2013-08-24 11:29:41 AM

yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.


The general answer is some nonsense about how 'it just didn't work' given the energy, charge, shell, whatever.
 
2013-08-24 11:38:25 AM

yukichigai: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

The projectiles themselves also packed a bit of a wallop, being explosive and all.  While that's of minimal use as an anti-infantry weapon it's pretty good against heavily armored foes... or dudes who can regenerate from wounds because they have a space snake in their gut.

Still, why no System Lord ever decided to spend a little time perfecting high rate of fire weapons is mind boggling.


Not really, the Egyptians spent over a thousand years with the same basic bronze weapons because they had no impetus to change - until the Hyksos came knocking.
 
2013-08-24 11:50:59 AM

One Bad Apple: StoPPeRmobile:


It was a psychological weapon.

Lots of regimes used psychological weapons but you should also have practical weapons to back them up.


They did, they were called Death Gliders, Al'Kesh, and Ha'Tak.  If the Goa'uld wanted to subjugate you they sent in the ground troops with staff weapons to scare the crap out of you and make you not want to fight.  If they wanted to outright kill you they just swooped in from space and blew you to hell without you seeing their faces.
 
2013-08-24 12:34:16 PM
This minimalist poster fad is annoying now.

Stop it.
 
2013-08-24 12:38:22 PM
Yeah, what houstondragon said.

Staff weapons were terror weapons to subjugate the weaker races in the galaxy. Seeing a huge bolt of energy and then explode whenever it hit something would scare the piss out of any native and keep them from doing anything. More advanced civilizations would just get bombarded from orbit.

So you have a bunch of soldiers with terror weapons and then when it came to fighting other goa'uld, all the jaffa were just cannon fodder so they didn't care too much how they died so why bother getting new equipment? Especially when the goa'uld never really developed things, just stole. Then Anubis came back with super ancient knowledge and created the fast firing wrist mounted staff weapon and the super soldiers.
 
2013-08-24 01:23:31 PM

timswar: Your_Huckleberry: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

Yeah, the impression I got was that the Jaffa were bred to be warriors, but really they weren't ever used in the type of combat a warrior class like a Klingon or Jem'Hadar would be. The Jaffa were accustomed to 'battling' compleatly overmatched people and controlling compleatly overmatched slaves. They never needed silly things like tactics because them just showing up was tactic enough. That's why Tealc decided so fast to help SG-1 in the series pilot, he saw someone who could fight back and hold their own even though they were so outnumbered.
But, the Jaffa weapons sure as hell packed a hell of a punch. That Zat gun would be particularly useful-I was surprised it wasn't made standard issue for the SG teams.

They did point this out in-universe when the SG-1 team was trying to explain the advantages to the P90s to some "free" Jaffa. The staff weapon was considered to be a "weapon of terror". It was less a practical firearm of war than it was a way to instill fear into the populace. It was big and impressive and one shot had a devastating effect.

For Goa'uld on Goa'uld action they stuck to fighting with space ships. It was a totally different way of fighting than how they dealt with humans.


P90s are fearsome weapons, but it's interesting that they were a staple of SG-1 and Atlantis, but no one seemed to have any in SGU. I'd have to confirm with IMFDB, but I think it was mostly HK long arms on the Destiny.
 
2013-08-24 02:01:47 PM
This kind of crap is such lazy art wankery. It was sort of cool at first, but it's really getting tired and unoriginal now. What's next? Minimalist zoo animals? I look forward to the day when it's a forgotten trend.
 
2013-08-24 02:18:24 PM

ShawnDoc: Could have used a little more variety. They didn't all need a colored circle behind them. Maybe a triangle or rectangle for a change of pace.


Made me think of

murfinsandburglars.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-24 03:11:58 PM
One Bad Apple: The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad.

O'Neill: This [holds up a staff weapon] is a weapon of terror. It's made to intimidate the enemy. This [holds up a P-90] is a weapon of war. It's made to kill the enemy.
 
2013-08-24 03:17:37 PM

Your_Huckleberry: timswar: Your_Huckleberry: Yotto: One of those was cool. Any one of them. The one you saw first. the rest were all the same. Makes me think they took photos and ran them through the same filter, and tossed a circle behind them.

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

To be fair, they were essentially trophy weapons for trophy guards of "gods" who had very little to fear from the people they were likely to use them against. The worst thing the Jaffa had faced in several thousand years was other Jaffa.

Yeah, the impression I got was that the Jaffa were bred to be warriors, but really they weren't ever used in the type of combat a warrior class like a Klingon or Jem'Hadar would be. The Jaffa were accustomed to 'battling' compleatly overmatched people and controlling compleatly overmatched slaves. They never needed silly things like tactics because them just showing up was tactic enough. That's why Tealc decided so fast to help SG-1 in the series pilot, he saw someone who could fight back and hold their own even though they were so outnumbered.
But, the Jaffa weapons sure as hell packed a hell of a punch. That Zat gun would be particularly useful-I was surprised it wasn't made standard issue for the SG teams.

They did point this out in-universe when the SG-1 team was trying to explain the advantages to the P90s to some "free" Jaffa. The staff weapon was considered to be a "weapon of terror". It was less a practical firearm of war than it was a way to instill fear into the populace. It was big and impressive and one shot had a devastating effect.

For Goa'uld on Goa'uld action they stuck to fighting with space ships. It was a totally different way of fighting than how they dealt with humans.

P90s are fearsome weapons, but it's interesting that they were a staple of SG-1 and Atlantis, but no one seemed to have any in SGU. I'd have to confirm with IMFDB, but I think it was mostly HK long arms on the Destiny.


To be fair they were pretty much in "grab whatever shiat you can and run for the wormhole" mode when going to the Destiny. Plus, even if someone had grabbed a case of P90s they may not have had enough ammo available and were saving what they had in reserve.
 
2013-08-24 04:16:03 PM

One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.


I remember an episode where the Stargate team was training a bunch if rebels to take down a system lord, and they pointed out that exact fact. One of the guys didn't think an MP5 was better than his staff, until O'Neill demonstrated the difference in what they did to a target.
 
2013-08-24 04:43:54 PM

HotWingAgenda: One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

I remember an episode where the Stargate team was training a bunch if rebels to take down a system lord, and they pointed out that exact fact. One of the guys didn't think an MP5 was better than his staff, until O'Neill demonstrated the difference in what they did to a target.




It was referenced above, was a P90, and his target was a tree.
 
2013-08-24 04:52:46 PM

buckler: I rather like the Ghostbusters proton pack.


So that's what that was...
 
2013-08-24 05:00:46 PM

StoPPeRmobile: HotWingAgenda: One Bad Apple: The glave from "Krull" was a lousy weapon. The staffs from "Stargate" were just as bad. Practically a muzzle loading musket without the bayonet.

I remember an episode where the Stargate team was training a bunch if rebels to take down a system lord, and they pointed out that exact fact. One of the guys didn't think an MP5 was better than his staff, until O'Neill demonstrated the difference in what they did to a target.



It was referenced above, was a P90, and his target was a tree.


HER!

/C'mon, it was Carter, ffs! :)

Also, on side off-topic geeky, I was always a little bummed they never wrapped up the Carter/O'Neill thing. They were so darn cute fumbling around the issue.
 
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