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2013-08-24 07:09:42 AM

TomD9938: FTA : as expensive as single-cup coffee is for consumers, the costs to the environment are even higher

Stopped reading there.

It just went on and on...


I carried on reading for a while but came to a screeching halt after this:

One Keurig patent lists the K-Cup components as a blend of polyethylene, ethylene vinyl alcohol (EVOH), and polystyrene. These are all commonly used plastics, but there are known health issues associated with styrene. Styrene has been shown to migrate from containers into food or drinks and accumulate in our fatty tissue.

If you can't be arsed to do the scant few seconds of fact-checking to learn that polystyrene and styrene are two different compounds then I can't be arsed to read your article.
 
2013-08-24 07:15:10 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: [images.amazon.com image 260x529]

/you can even get a metal filter to avoid the disposable paper


This thing makes the best possible cup of coffee.
 
2013-08-24 07:17:02 AM
"The health effects of drinking something that's made by forcing scalding water through a flimsy plastic cup are unclear.

Glass and or Stainless steel only.

steamykitchen.com
 
2013-08-24 07:35:08 AM
Can someone explain to me the "pour over" nonsense I'm seeing at a lot of coffee shops these days? Is there something to it or is it basically "drip coffee done manually/expensively". It's hard not to see it as the latter.

There's an awful lot of ceremony to the whole thing too. Probably makes people feel better about their $6 coffee.
 
2013-08-24 07:40:52 AM
The health effects of drinking something that's made by forcing scalding water through a flimsy plastic cup are unclear.

Your mom is a flimsy plastic cup, article typer (I can't consider that writing).

Keurigs are fine for what they do. Provide a quick and easy 4-18 oz cup of coffee (you can double brew if you like you coffee lighter). Its great for the workplace because for 50-75 cents a cup and access to decent water there is almost no clean up and you don't have to bicker about whose flavor/brand of coffee gets used. No point in paying someone $20+ per hour and having them waste any of that on cleaning coffee makers, arguing over who used the last of the pot, or who stole the coffee fund money and left Twix wrappers in the can.
Just wash out your mug when you're done unless you like velvety floaties in your brew.
 
2013-08-24 07:42:59 AM

subfactorial: Can someone explain to me the "pour over" nonsense I'm seeing at a lot of coffee shops these days? Is there something to it or is it basically "drip coffee done manually/expensively". It's hard not to see it as the latter.

There's an awful lot of ceremony to the whole thing too. Probably makes people feel better about their $6 coffee.


I think they're jealous of the Japanese tea ceremonies and want a little "japanese steakhouse" style showmanship with their overpriced bean squeezins.
 
2013-08-24 08:08:50 AM
Massive amounts of trash??  So the "moral panic" is just more environmentalist nonsense?

These panics over little things that become fads seems to be more of a "STOP DOING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" sort of thing and less about anything realistic.
 
2013-08-24 08:18:17 AM

Darkridr: No point in paying someone $20+ per hour and having them waste any of that on cleaning coffee makers, arguing over who used the last of the pot, or who stole the coffee fund money and left Twix wrappers in the can.
Just wash out your mug when you're done unless you like velvety floaties in your brew.


And when Keurig rolls out their line of upscale cup-o-noodles, no more squabbles over the office fridge and microwave!
Yay progress!
 
2013-08-24 08:20:09 AM
What ever happened to coffee flavored coffee?

upload.wikimedia.org
www.coffeecouponsprintable.net
 
2013-08-24 08:46:00 AM
http://www.amazon.com/BUNN-MCU-Single-Multi-Use-Brewer/dp/B009PLQ5H2/ r ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1377348125&sr=8-1&keywords=bunn+mcu

Stores up to 16oz hot water ready to go, has a K-cup, pouch, hot water and TWO SCOOP RINSIBLE MESH BASKET that works like an espresso charge basket - much better than the K-crap.
The basket makes stronger coffee with a half scoop than ANY k-cup can make, if you're S&M put in two scoops.  rawr.

Coolest feature is no matter your cup size, if its under 16oz what you pour into the machine from it is what you will get out.   I use the fridge's oz meter to put 10oz of water in for making noodle cups!
 
2013-08-24 08:51:42 AM

Dafatone: Ker_Thwap: I love the coffee in little plastic pods craze.  That way I can continue to mock the "save the planet" generation for such an abysmally wasteful concept.  It's awesome reading about all the little justifications people use to do something stupid.  Me, me, me!

Er, you do realize the "generation" you're complaining about has been around for like 40 years?

Obligatory XKCD


I'm old, that's the generation I'm making fun of.
 
2013-08-24 08:55:39 AM
My go-to workday coffeemaker is my Senseo. I'm on my third one over the last dozen years and four countries. You can pack your own pods or buy ready-made pods (made of coffee filter material) for a lot less than K-Cup money. And it tastes better.
When I'm not making coffee at 0515 with my eyes closed, I have a Bodum press, a burr grinder, a Vietnamese coffee filter, and Indian filter pot, and a Melitta CuppaJoe single pour filter. You can get good beans here. Life is good.
 
2013-08-24 09:09:03 AM

Popular Opinion: what? so gay people are wasteful and produce copious amounts of trash?


Is that you, Jon is teh kewl?
 
2013-08-24 09:10:55 AM
I originally bought our Keurig when Mr. Wonder was on Active Duty at the nearby installation. He would stop in twice a day at the Starbucks halfway between our house and the fort (sometimes more when he had 24-hour staff duty) and get a Venti Mocha to the tune of $5.50. I would also go to the Starbucks and get a similar expensive drink for around the same price. Between the two of us, we were spending $15-30 a day on coffee for about three years. So when hubby deployed, our coffee maker at home died (along with most other machines in the house), I decided to give the Keurig a try. Husband was pissed I bought one of those machines, until I pointed out that we spent $0.50 a pod/cup of coffee from Sam's Club vs $5.50 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. He likes the pods just fine. That being said, when the Keurig finally does on us, I'll probably switch to a French press and a burr grinder. Artisanal coffee roasters have recently come into their own around town.

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2013-08-24 09:21:59 AM

wildcardjack: Or your could cut coffee and cola out of your life and then when you really need a boost a cup of coffee would make a farking difference.


i1004.photobucket.com


/my apologies.  Haven't had my caffeine yet.
 
2013-08-24 09:24:15 AM
This plus some fresh ground TJ's beans is my method of choice. Way WAAAY cheaper and "green" than the coffee pods, and you don't have to take any parts out of the Kuerig.

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2013-08-24 10:04:22 AM
People who buy the pods must be certifiably insane.  It makes no sense to pay 4x as much for something for a very minor improvement in convenience.  Have we all become so fat and lazy that tossing a few grounds in a coffee maker is too much work?
 
2013-08-24 10:37:43 AM
farm3.staticflickr.com
I picked this up at a thrift store for $25, works perfectly and was barely used, still has the plastic on the drip grate.
 
2013-08-24 11:05:44 AM

Ker_Thwap: Dafatone: Ker_Thwap: I love the coffee in little plastic pods craze.  That way I can continue to mock the "save the planet" generation for such an abysmally wasteful concept.  It's awesome reading about all the little justifications people use to do something stupid.  Me, me, me!

Er, you do realize the "generation" you're complaining about has been around for like 40 years?

Obligatory XKCD

I'm old, that's the generation I'm making fun of.


Yeah, it just dawned on me that it's not like today's 18 year olds are all over Keurigs.  Or maybe they are.  I have no idea.
 
2013-08-24 11:05:53 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Because I can pop in a pod and press a button, and coffee magically appears in the cup. It solves the conundrum of being awake enough to make coffee so you're awake.

I put some coffee in the pot once I get to work, but it makes all the difference in the morning.


That's why my 10 cup drip coffee maker has a timer.  The coffee starts brewing as soon as my alarm goes off.  I wake up, get dressed and my personal assistant has my coffee waiting on my desk by the time I am downstairs.

/If the kid is over 18 and lives at home, they are no longer a child.  They now get the title of personal assistant.
 
2013-08-24 11:32:24 AM
FTFA   "There's a dearth of data available on the amount of waste generated by single-serve brewing systems, " Quoting the authors brain "But that's not going to stop me from writing a brazillian words at  $0.05/word"
 
2013-08-24 11:35:37 AM

karst: FTFA   "There's a dearth of data available on the amount of waste generated by single-serve brewing systems, " Quoting the authors brain "But that's not going to stop me from writing a brazillian words at  $0.05/word"


This is the age of Twitter.  They get paid by character.
 
2013-08-24 12:00:21 PM

Derkins: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 290x500]
This is all I've ever used for years and years and I love it.

Kraftwerk Orange: I'm not a big coffee drinker (although I worked as a barista while in college in the 90's), but this is my preferred go-to when I feel like a little after-dinner treat.

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Somehow, I'm managed to not blow myself up.  Bonus - it works great when camping, too.

I've been wanting to get one of these but let me ask, why would you blow yourself up?


www.remodelista.com
There's that little pressure relief valve there, in case something goes terribly wrong and you've overtamped the grounds or they get stuck in the chamber or something.  I've been warned that they can blow up, maybe even more likely after some age (mine's like 20 years old, and they go back decades before that) and the aluminum pot begins to suffer metal fatigue.

Never heard of it happening, but I've been warned.
 
2013-08-24 12:11:05 PM
I used to buy bulk whole bean coffee and grind it at the store, but ever since pods took off, my local Superstore removed the bulk coffee display and grinder to make room for the pods.  I find that sad.
 
2013-08-24 12:33:22 PM

Mikey1969: cptjeff: If you really need single cups, why not just get a kettle and a small french press like the rest of the planet?

Oh, and by the way, you're paying more to get many, many fewer brews than you would with either a french press or just making yourself a small pot. Ever heard of a 4 cup coffeemaker?

Actually, the real draw for these things seems to be the presweetened instant coffee drinks that you can make. You know, the ones that are basically just that instant cappuccino powder?

Ever heard of an office where you don't really have a place to store your french press or plug in 4 cup coffee makers for 125 different people? Sorry, I see where these things come in handy, and I don't even drink coffee. If I did, I sure wouldn't want to have to compromise with a bunch of other people on what I drank, as well as synchronize my schedule with them.

I'm also curious how much less coffee and water gets wasted this way...


If you work in an office with 125 different people, you have enough demand for a real coffee maker. One of the industrial ones with multiple pots, even. You don't need single cup brewing of any kind.

And wasting water and coffee grounds is a whole lot less wasteful than wasting plastic. Water gets recycled. Coffee grounds rot and turn into dirt. They're renewable. Plastic is not, and takes quite a lot of water to produce. Also, given the amount you're paying for those pods, using twice as much coffee as you actually drink will still put you out ahead.
 
2013-08-24 12:53:24 PM

Mikey1969: Dragonflew: OK, I think the internet needs to be put on pause for a couple of weeks. I just heard of a cronut a few days ago, and have no freakin' clue (until I go back and RTFT) what the other thing is.

What's wrong with this cronut thing? I just looked it up, and it sounds pretty good. A light, flaky donut? I'd try that. I often get a donut or a muffin for breakfast during the workweek, and I'd have one of those if I saw one at the store. I'm not sure why the concept has offended you.


I have no idea where I said I was offended. I read my post several times, trying to find any speck of implied offense, and all I see is me asking the internet to slow down with these things so I can catch up.  I bet I would enjoy the hell out of a cronut (but I certainly wouldn't use one to replace a hamburger bun).
 
2013-08-24 12:56:37 PM

Billy Bathsalt: Popular Opinion: what? so gay people are wasteful and produce copious amounts of trash?

Is that you, J__ i_ t__ k___?


Careful, I was banned for calling him out on his idiocy. He's Fark's little precious snowflake.
 
2013-08-24 12:59:14 PM

mrswood: I worked with a biatch that would dump sugar into the communal pot of coffee. What a farking whore.


WTF?!??!?!?!?!?  Did she think it was tea and was this bammy?

Worse crime than Mai Lai.
 
2013-08-24 01:06:47 PM
I've been pretty much caffeine free for the last 5 months... My keurig is buried under a lot of crap on my counter, and my aero-press is collecting dust at my office.

I sleep much better now and don't have issues waking up.
 
2013-08-24 01:07:45 PM

jtown: Lsherm: But it's so convenient!

Actually, I drink too much coffee for those to be worth it to me.  My Keurig hasn't been used in over a year.  Too expensive.

Depends on the situation.  I used to think that my office was insane for having single-cup coffee makers.  But then I remembered all of the shiat that comes with pots of coffee.  "Don't drink that.  Bill made it.  He always makes to too strong."  Or, "Kate left 2 ounces in the pot again and now it's burned."  Having the single-serve system eliminated a whole range of animosity and bullshiat.  People drop in the packet, push the button, then get back to work.

Of course, it led to hoarding of the good packs.  I'm not going to name names but a coworker did see my stash of mudslides.


Plus it also allows for variety. We got all kinds of Coffees, teas, and hot chocolates. Granted I have the same thing everyday (the Picard), so it doesn't help me that much.
 
2013-08-24 01:34:29 PM

Derkins: [farm6.staticflickr.com image 290x500]
This is all I've ever used for years and years and I love it.



---- Thanks, came for that.
Keep it simple.
 
2013-08-24 02:27:22 PM
I like my AeroPress for single-servings.  The coffee doesn't get all nasty and acidic as it cools the way drip does, and the chamber part squeegees itself clean.  It's pretty neat.
 
2013-08-24 02:55:57 PM
It depends on what im doing as to which I use...
Plain old auto drip for iced coffee made in bulk, pod if im in a hurry and french press for coffee made for the express purpose of having a really good cup of joe
 
2013-08-24 03:42:38 PM

Ima4nic8or: People who buy the pods must be certifiably insane.  It makes no sense to pay 4x as much for something for a very minor improvement in convenience.  Have we all become so fat and lazy that tossing a few grounds in a coffee maker is too much work?


I was going to reply with a simple "Yes." but after thinking about it, the convenience is really appreciated after I've been working way too late.
 
2013-08-24 03:44:12 PM

Mikey1969: I'm also curious how much less coffee and water gets wasted this way...


Lots in our house, but it certainly doesn't save any $$ :)
 
2013-08-24 03:49:13 PM

cptjeff: If you work in an office with 125 different people, you have enough demand for a real coffee maker. One of the industrial ones with multiple pots, even.


Gross. Also, you have it all turned around.
 
2013-08-24 03:51:59 PM

GoldSpider: [gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net image 500x333]



Pod People got no reason to live...
 
2013-08-24 04:04:40 PM

thamike: cptjeff: If you work in an office with 125 different people, you have enough demand for a real coffee maker. One of the industrial ones with multiple pots, even.

Gross. Also, you have it all turned around.


Que? What do I have turned around? Do you think that 125 people isn't enough to finish a full pot of coffee? Does decent coffee made in larger quantities somehow taste worse than decent coffee made in small quantities?

Did you perhaps mean to quote a different comment?
 
2013-08-24 04:16:04 PM

cptjeff: Que? What do I have turned around? Do you think that 125 people isn't enough to finish a full pot of coffee? Does decent coffee made in larger quantities somehow taste worse than decent coffee made in small quantities?

Did you perhaps mean to quote a different comment?


125 people can't agree on a single coffee, which means more Starbucks runs, lost man hours, and languishing pots of scorched coffee. That's why you see all these Kuerig machines in offices. That's also why police station coffee tastes like sh*t.  My office has two Kuerigs, and an entire cabinet of different coffees and teas.  It's cheap, easy to maintain, it takes just a few seconds, there's variety, and it tastes fresh.  An industrial coffee machine with multiple pots replacing that would be unacceptable to everyone involved.
 
2013-08-24 04:31:26 PM

thamike: cptjeff: Que? What do I have turned around? Do you think that 125 people isn't enough to finish a full pot of coffee? Does decent coffee made in larger quantities somehow taste worse than decent coffee made in small quantities?

Did you perhaps mean to quote a different comment?

125 people can't agree on a single coffee, which means more Starbucks runs, lost man hours, and languishing pots of scorched coffee. That's why you see all these Kuerig machines in offices. That's also why police station coffee tastes like sh*t.  My office has two Kuerigs, and an entire cabinet of different coffees and teas.  It's cheap, easy to maintain, it takes just a few seconds, there's variety, and it tastes fresh.  An industrial coffee machine with multiple pots replacing that would be unacceptable to everyone involved.


Police station coffee tastes like shiat because they use the cheapest crap they can find. Use a decent medium roast and I bet most people would be fine- and 125 is plenty to keep the coffee turning over and reasonably fresh. And you could have a $30 kettle and a full stock of teas- far cheaper to buy teabags than to buy the keurigs, by the way, and everybody would be fine. If anybody has a problem with that setup, your office if filled with lots of stuck up and entitled people.
 
2013-08-24 04:42:30 PM

cptjeff: Police station coffee tastes like shiat because they use the cheapest crap they can find. Use a decent medium roast and I bet most people would be fine- and 125 is plenty to keep the coffee turning over and reasonably fresh. And you could have a $30 kettle and a full stock of teas- far cheaper to buy teabags than to buy the keurigs, by the way, and everybody would be fine. If anybody has a problem with that setup, your office if filled with lots of stuck up and entitled people.


Do you even work in an office with 125 people?  You're talking about kettles and sh*t.  Have you ever seen a water cooler?  Have you ever seen the average size of an office kitchen?
 
2013-08-24 04:46:29 PM

cptjeff: If anybody has a problem with that setup, your office if filled with lots of stuck up and entitled people.

  Busy people.
 
2013-08-24 04:51:07 PM

ElLoco: Meh.

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Do you do the whole pack it in sand thing while on the stove? I've wanted to try Turkish coffee but reading about it, it seems so complicated.
 
2013-08-24 06:07:50 PM
My work has one of these:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAm61Kgw0qM&feature=c4-overview&list=U U 80oCx8mJ8makbytneq7t1Q

It grinds the beans, and pours out a cup of coffee, all in one go.  The filter media comes on a long toilet-paper like roll.  When the coffee is dispensed, the waste paper & beans are ejected into a waste bin underneath the machine.

Not sure why a lower end consumer version couldn't be created.  Just make one that can't dispense a carafe's worth of liquid, or make hot chocolate.

On second thought...  maybe not.  The thing breaks frequently :P
 
2013-08-24 06:31:07 PM

thamike: cptjeff: Police station coffee tastes like shiat because they use the cheapest crap they can find. Use a decent medium roast and I bet most people would be fine- and 125 is plenty to keep the coffee turning over and reasonably fresh. And you could have a $30 kettle and a full stock of teas- far cheaper to buy teabags than to buy the keurigs, by the way, and everybody would be fine. If anybody has a problem with that setup, your office if filled with lots of stuck up and entitled people.

Do you even work in an office with 125 people?  You're talking about kettles and sh*t.  Have you ever seen a water cooler?  Have you ever seen the average size of an office kitchen?


Or a water cooler. Whatever. I use kettle as generic for "source for hot water".

And I've been in office kitchens before. They vary widely in size. But regardless of how small (and I've been in some tiny ones), they're large enough to fit an industrial coffeemaker. They don't take up that much space.

No, I'm not working in a huge office now. But I did work at a law firm with 30 lawyers and about the same number of support staff for a while. 60ish people, and that created enough demand for 3 industrial coffeemakers spread over three kitchens, each with 2-3 pots on each at any given time, all kept reasonably fresh by turnover. People seemed happy with it. But no, you don't think a 125 person office would have enough coffee consumption to justify making full pots. I mean, lawyers probably drink twice as much coffee as the average joe, and they were also getting coffee for clints coming in for meetings, but really.

thamike: Busy people.


So it's faster and more convenient for busy people to run a keurig or leave for starbucks than it is to pick up a pot of coffee and pour themselves a cup? And with a serious heavy duty coffeemaker and those premeasured packs (not the greatest coffee, but if speed is important), brewing a full pot takes barely more time than it takes to make one cup on the keurig. About the same if you have to fill the keurig's water supply.
 
2013-08-24 07:07:34 PM

cptjeff: So it's faster and more convenient for busy people to run a keurig or leave for starbucks than it is to pick up a pot of coffee and pour themselves a cup?


And preferable.

cptjeff: lawyers probably drink twice as much coffee as the average joe


Maybe lawyers like the same kind of coffee too.  it would never work in my office.  I'm not saying your idea would never work in every office, just refuting your assertion that if any office uses kuerigs it's most definitely less efficient, significantly more expensive, less tasty, less convenient, and somehow more snooty than a big industrial coffee machine brewing pots all day.  Keep in mind that since there's only one kind of coffee going on, only a certain demographic from the office will be drinking it regularly.

The quality and variety gives the people less reason to duck out for a trip to Starbucks, the speediness keeps the area from getting jammed up, and the small size leaves room for other things.  I can't honestly look at that situation and say that it's the opposite of reality.  You aren't a trial lawyer are you?  Because that would make sense.
 
2013-08-24 08:23:28 PM

thamike: You aren't a trial lawyer are you? Because that would make sense.


Nah, I'm in politics, nonprofit advocacy these days. I'm still thinking about maybe doing law school someday, but it would mainly be to provide an option for law or academia should I want to do something other than politics. The law firm job was a short term thing.
 
2013-08-25 03:47:32 AM

Dragonflew: Mikey1969: Dragonflew: OK, I think the internet needs to be put on pause for a couple of weeks. I just heard of a cronut a few days ago, and have no freakin' clue (until I go back and RTFT) what the other thing is.

What's wrong with this cronut thing? I just looked it up, and it sounds pretty good. A light, flaky donut? I'd try that. I often get a donut or a muffin for breakfast during the workweek, and I'd have one of those if I saw one at the store. I'm not sure why the concept has offended you.

I have no idea where I said I was offended. I read my post several times, trying to find any speck of implied offense, and all I see is me asking the internet to slow down with these things so I can catch up.  I bet I would enjoy the hell out of a cronut (but I certainly wouldn't use one to replace a hamburger bun).


In my defense, you put both of these in the same post, and the elemental forces of chaos would find that damned twogging thing offensive in a 'stability of the universe' kind of way, I had to play it safe. Kind of a guilt by association thing.
 
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