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(New York Magazine)   Conservatives are outraged that some schools will no longer teach cursive writing because c) 'How are we going to be able to read the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence?'   (nymag.com) divider line 221
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2013-08-23 06:40:01 PM
Not that they can read it now

/subby
 
2013-08-23 07:15:59 PM
When I started teaching I was kind of pissed that teachers didn't go out of their way to teach cursive, because the school day was spent mostly on teaching how to pass the state exams. I realized over the course of a few years that a lot of my students (inner-city) were incredible artists when it came to the writing they used in tagging. So the kids who care are going to put time into it and learn it on their own. This is pretty-much true with any subject.

Some of those kids have beautiful cursive writing, too, just because they wanted to learn it.

I have the handwriting of a left-handed serial-killer doctor.
 
2013-08-23 07:42:37 PM
This is a perfect illustration of "conservative" thought.  Conserve what was there before, no more, no less.
 
2013-08-23 07:48:46 PM
If Trayvon Martin could write cursive, he'd still be alive today.
 
2013-08-23 07:50:28 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: When I started teaching I was kind of pissed that teachers didn't go out of their way to teach cursive, because the school day was spent mostly on teaching how to pass the state exams. I realized over the course of a few years that a lot of my students (inner-city) were incredible artists when it came to the writing they used in tagging. So the kids who care are going to put time into it and learn it on their own. This is pretty-much true with any subject.

Some of those kids have beautiful cursive writing, too, just because they wanted to learn it.

I have the handwriting of a left-handed serial-killer doctor.


I have the handwriting of a left-handed retarded pigeon. Just to make this clear: pigeons don't have hands. That's how bad my handwriting is. I go for all caps if I have to write, but typing is so much faster for me. ~85wpm

/just not on my iPad
 
2013-08-23 07:55:22 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Not that they can read it now

/subby


They can, it just needs to be converted to 140 characters.
 
2013-08-23 08:10:40 PM

RedPhoenix122: PC LOAD LETTER: Not that they can read it now

/subby

They can, it just needs to be converted to 140 characters.


We D ppl, cngrs law, prez exec, sc interp, spk free, gat ok, da fif 1 jry trial, no cruel, rights, yo, prezidentin', votin', tax, vodak ok, mo votein', mo prezidentin', $!
 
2013-08-23 08:10:52 PM
I was just in the National Archives a few months ago, and those documents are so faded they're almost invisible.  But I'm pretty sure someone transcribed them and the text is available elsewhere.  I'm pretty sure.  With any luck, these people could locate a text version online and convert it over to Comic Sans, for their comfort and convenience.
 
2013-08-23 08:21:48 PM
Thanks, Jeantel.
 
2013-08-23 08:28:34 PM
What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"
 
2013-08-23 08:31:19 PM

Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"


It also says that Jesus is king of America and gay people are yucky.
 
2013-08-23 08:32:45 PM

Zeppelininthesky: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

It also says that Jesus is king of America and gay people are yucky.


No dumbass, it doesn't say that.  Jesus isn't mentioned--he's the author.
 
2013-08-23 08:33:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"


That's complete bullshiat.  The also see "Natural born citizen."
 
2013-08-23 08:36:03 PM

doyner: RedPhoenix122: PC LOAD LETTER: Not that they can read it now

/subby

They can, it just needs to be converted to 140 characters.

We D ppl, cngrs law, prez exec, sc interp, spk free, gat ok, da fif 1 jry trial, no cruel, rights, yo, prezidentin', votin', tax, vodak ok, mo votein', mo prezidentin', $!


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of sp
 
2013-08-23 08:36:45 PM
Face it people.  If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.or tablet.

The function for cursive writing existing is dead.

A conservative can accept this.  A conservative reactionary cannot.
 
2013-08-23 08:37:50 PM

stevenboof: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

That's complete bullshiat.  The also see "Natural born citizen."


Huh? Where is that? I don't see it! And even if it was there, Ted Cruz Cruise is so a natural-born citizen!
 
2013-08-23 08:38:42 PM
Wow, for a moment there I thought this was satire.  This is an issue?  Really?
 
2013-08-23 08:39:15 PM
And nothing of value was etc.   Outside of your signature, the only time anyone writes in cursive is while being taught to write in cursive.

/of course, if you used that criteria, 95% of the crap we're taught in school could be eliminated
//not that replacing philosophy and sociology with a 2 hour a day class called Math in the Real World (a.k.a. How to Tell When Fox News Chart is Lying to You) wouldn't be a good idea
 
2013-08-23 08:41:01 PM
Cursive doesn't come with FTP education.  They've put it behind a paywall so now you need a subscription.
 
2013-08-23 08:42:20 PM

Mike Chewbacca: I have the handwriting of a left-handed retarded pigeon. Just to make this clear: pigeons don't have hands. That's how bad my handwriting is. I go for all caps if I have to write, but typing is so much faster for me. ~85wpm


True story.
In college, a professor was handing out our graded essay exams.  He did not hand mine back to me, and said he needed to talk to me after class.  That was the longest hour of my life.
turns out that he couldn't read my exam, and made me come to his office later that day and read it to him.
That was the second longest hour of my life.
Gave me an A-
 
2013-08-23 08:42:31 PM

Zeppelininthesky: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

It also says that Jesus is king of America and gay people are yucky.


And abortion is murder but execution (even if the convicted is innocent) isn't.
 
2013-08-23 08:42:38 PM
Fart_Machine
Wow, for a moment there I thought this was satire. This is an issue? Really?


For some people the world changing around them is.
 
2013-08-23 08:42:51 PM

IlGreven: stevenboof: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

That's complete bullshiat.  The also see "Natural born citizen."

Huh? Where is that? I don't see it! And even if it was there, Ted Rafael Cruz  is so a natural-born citizen!

 
2013-08-23 08:43:56 PM

Enemabag Jones: Face it people.  If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.


Not if it involves any type of information that isn't just english words (i.e. equations/diagrams/etc).  Even with Latex, doing first drafts of math-y stuff on a computer is a massive pain in the ass.

or tablet.

And why the hell would anyone use a tablet to write anything longer than about 3 sentences?
 
2013-08-23 08:44:17 PM
Blessed are the cheesemakers.
i.imgur.com
I'm pretty sure Jesus' presidential pardon for that whore, Mary Magdalene was dirt written in cursive, too.
 
2013-08-23 08:44:26 PM
My boss once told me my handwriting was so bad that it counts as encryption.
 
2013-08-23 08:44:30 PM

doyner: Zeppelininthesky: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

It also says that Jesus is king of America and gay people are yucky.

No dumbass, it doesn't say that.  Jesus isn't mentioned--he's the author.


Ah, ok.
 
2013-08-23 08:47:02 PM

Zeppelininthesky: doyner: Zeppelininthesky: Nadie_AZ: What no irony tag? The only thing the see is "We the people .... Amendment 2: ... The end"

It also says that Jesus is king of America and gay people are yucky.

No dumbass, it doesn't say that.  Jesus isn't mentioned--he's the author.

Ah, ok.


South Carolina Represent!
 
2013-08-23 08:47:59 PM

Enemabag Jones: Face it people.  If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.or tablet.

The function for cursive writing existing is dead.

A conservative can accept this.  A conservative reactionary cannot.


25 years old, I love cursive. It's the only way to write fast enough to keep up with my thoughts. I can type well over 100 won but there are plenty of things I prefer pen and paper for (rough drafts, brainstorming, journaling) and they'd be miserable without cursive.

Learned to write cursive Cyrillic once too. My O's in English are the Cyrillic form now (loops at the bottom, no hook).
 
2013-08-23 08:50:16 PM
dookdookdook ,
Enemabag Jones: Face it people. If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.
Not if it involves any type of information that isn't just english words (i.e. equations/diagrams/etc). Even with Latex, doing first drafts of math-y stuff on a computer is a massive pain in the ass.
or tablet.
And why the hell would anyone use a tablet to write anything longer than about 3 sentences?

1-I don't do intensive math or calligraphy in my post high school or college adult life, and most people don't either. With respect to your job, exceptions will always exist.
2-It is called a bluetooth or USB keyboard. A tablet is a PC without the hinge. I am not a huge fan, but some non-nerds love them to death.
 
2013-08-23 08:51:04 PM

doloresonthedottedline: Enemabag Jones: Face it people.  If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.or tablet.

The function for cursive writing existing is dead.

A conservative can accept this.  A conservative reactionary cannot.

25 years old, I love cursive. It's the only way to write fast enough to keep up with my thoughts. I can type well over 100 won but there are plenty of things I prefer pen and paper for (rough drafts, brainstorming, journaling) and they'd be miserable without cursive.

Learned to write cursive Cyrillic once too. My O's in English are the Cyrillic form now (loops at the bottom, no hook).


100 wpm. Auto correct =(

When I finished 8th grade I made it to triple digit wpm for the first time (not at the expense of accuracy either). I used to practice typing lyrics to fast songs as they were sung, trying not to fall behind. Thinkin 130 was a recent score maybe?
 
2013-08-23 08:51:31 PM
I for one, hope that we keep cursive writing around. Being an amputee, I can't begin to tell you how hard it is to fap and type one-handed while looking at my collection of cow udder-vegetable porn.

norwestflorist.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-23 08:53:12 PM
So they're admitting that teachers can actually teach?
 
2013-08-23 08:54:40 PM

Enemabag Jones: 1-I don't do intensive math or calligraphy in my post high school or college adult life, and most people don't either. With respect to your job, exceptions will always exist.


Well, how many people regularly write anything other than emails in their adult lives?
 
2013-08-23 08:55:30 PM
Cursive is an archaic writing technique that is no longer needed, because we have advanced beyond having to hand write everything with quills and ink wells.

The fact is, cursive handwriting is not a liberal vs. conservative issue.  Rather, it is a past vs. present/future issue.
 
2013-08-23 08:55:36 PM
Smart phone camera OCR should get to basic copperplate cursive recognition within two years, if it isn't there already.

It may even get to be able to reading doctor's prescriptions within twenty.
 
2013-08-23 08:56:15 PM

dookdookdook: Even with Latex, doing first drafts of math-y stuff on a computer is a massive pain in the ass.


Hur.
 
2013-08-23 08:56:22 PM
doloresonthedottedline,
25 years old, I love cursive. It's the only way to write fast enough to keep up with my thoughts. I can type well over 100 won but there are plenty of things I prefer pen and paper for (rough drafts, brainstorming, journaling) and they'd be miserable without cursive.
Learned to write cursive Cyrillic once too. My O's in English are the Cyrillic form now (loops at the bottom, no hook).


That is very cool. If you can do it in a beautiful way, it seems to communicate much more then a page full of uniform fonts. Be sure to do it with a nice rich pen.

Printed out emails from the Iraqi war read in 2150 will be missing something that civil war letters have.
 
2013-08-23 08:58:22 PM
dookdookdook
Enemabag Jones: 1-I don't do intensive math or calligraphy in my post high school or college adult life, and most people don't either. With respect to your job, exceptions will always exist.
Well, how many people regularly write anything other than emails in their adult lives?


Dn't 4gt txts. LOL.
 
2013-08-23 08:58:59 PM

Enemabag Jones: Printed out emails from the Iraqi war read in 2150 will be missing something that civil war letters have.


Truth. But the videos from the Civil War have deteriorated beyond all recognition.
 
2013-08-23 08:59:41 PM
Language and writing styles change over time, get over it.  I'd rather our kids spend time learning other languages - Chinese, Spanish, and Arabic - than on a classical writing style that has little value in the modern world.
 
2013-08-23 09:00:33 PM
I have a feeling we're dealing with a sort of magical thinking here. Why would it matter if you can't read cursive when the Constitution and Declaration have been transcribed into print many times over? It could only be because they believe there is an immaterial essence to the actual physical calligraphy of the documents that is not present in the words themselves.

It's hard for a philosophical materialist such as myself to even believe that people could believe such a thing, but it's the only explanation I can conceive. It seems particularly odd to believe it of documents that were wholly human creation without religious significance, but then, the people who have the beliefs described in TFA probably do think the founding documents are divinely inspired creations.
 
2013-08-23 09:00:53 PM
They don't teach them to cut their own quills either!
 
2013-08-23 09:03:40 PM
Why is this a political issue?

I would like kids to continue to learn it, but just my opinion...
 
2013-08-23 09:04:45 PM
loser0,
Enemabag Jones: Printed out emails from the Iraqi war read in 2150 will be missing something that civil war letters have.
Truth. But the videos from the Civil War have deteriorated beyond all recognition.


But the photographic plates have lasted pretty well.
 
2013-08-23 09:09:20 PM

Enemabag Jones: Face it people.  If you need to compose a full length page or more, not just a collection of notes or something on a notecard, you pull out your PC.or tablet.

The function for cursive writing existing is dead.


There will always be a role for actually writing things by hand. We do it less than we used to, but we still write things by hand. And cursive is, for nearly everybody practiced in both, faster and neater than printing is.

It was, and outside the US still is, the dominant written form of the Roman alphabet. Because it's simply better. Why shouldn't we teach kids how to read and write the dominant written form own farking language?

I'm a liberal. Unorthodox on some subjects, but pretty damn liberal. Trying to play this as another liberal/conservative thing is moronic. It's 1st grade, you can spare a couple weeks.

Enemabag Jones: or calligraphy


Writing cursive is not calligraphy. It's just writing, but it happens to be faster and better looking than your printing.


dookdookdook: or tablet.

And why the hell would anyone use a tablet to write anything longer than about 3 sentences?


A-farking-men.
 
2013-08-23 09:09:30 PM
Conservatives are going to be pissed when they hear that elementary schools don't teach Aramaic or Greek.

How are they going to read the Bible?
 
2013-08-23 09:09:32 PM

Dahnkster: Blessed are the cheesemakers.
[i.imgur.com image 850x639]
I'm pretty sure Jesus' presidential pardon for that whore, Mary Magdalene was dirt written in cursive, too.


That looks more like Martin Van Buren.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:17 PM
I use cursive when I am writing notes and ideas that I will later type.  Like Dolores said it is the only way to keep up with my thoughts. I'm a CPA and I can recall waiting time trying to read hand written review notes from partners. Thank god most firms don't permit hand written crap anymore. I have not and never will subject staff to my tortured scrawl. I only use it for my signature.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:24 PM
I  found cursive the way to go with math and science classes.  I never found a good way to type out equations but going all caps I could not keep up with the teacher.
 
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