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(Huffington Post)   Hey, you know Walmart's "We're totally gonna start buying American again" PR campaign? Yeah, about that (Some Not safe for work images in sidebar)   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 34
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2013-08-23 03:12:42 PM  
5 votes:
I really, really hate Wal-Mart.  To see they are now taking over the grocery industry as well sickens me.

This "must have the lowest price, the end, full stop" mentality that rewards their business model annoys me too.  It's difficult to afford but I still make it a point to shop at more local stores, small businesses etc simply so I don't reward big box stores like Wal-Mart, Menards, Target etc.  They move in with their all-in-one megastores and destroy local economies, depressing wages and making everyone reliant on their hilariously poor quality shiat, and then consumers are like "I can save $0.15 on toilet paper!  I can save $0.25 on a box of cereal.  All together if I buy way more shiat than I need, I can save up to $50 if I were to buy all this useless shiat from other stores!  Wal-Mart is my friend."

One is moving in right next door to where I work.  Every time I drive past the construction I am tempted to hijack a bulldozer and knock the whole farking thing to the ground.
2013-08-23 04:46:35 PM  
4 votes:
I knew a guy who designed kitchenware.  Their company was all excited about getting a contract with Wal-Mart.  Then they started getting hit with the terms.

They made middle to high end pots and pans.  Wal-Mart wanted crap quality at crap prices with guaranteed price drops every year.   After a few years they let the contract lapse because they didn't want their brand name to be associated with Wal-Mart's shiat quality.
2013-08-23 04:41:34 PM  
4 votes:

Nemo's Brother: While Hillary was a big wig in Walmart, the company learned that you can get cheaper products with slave labor in China.

The Clintons would make utilizing this labor much easier for American companies a few years later.


Why is it that when Democrats act like Republicans, Republicans get upset about it?
2013-08-23 04:41:11 PM  
4 votes:
The Waltons will be remembered as swine who destroyed the country of their birth for money. They should be burned alive on national TV.
2013-08-23 04:11:42 PM  
4 votes:
I think it will be really funny when the baby boomers who started all this try to retire but no one is able to buy their houses or invest in 401ks to keep up the value of their retirement assets because they work at jobs like these.
2013-08-23 04:12:12 PM  
3 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: A country in which a baby sucking on a boob is NSFW deserves a monster like Walmart.


Came here to say something like this. That's three times now that I've seen a headline marked NSFW because of that same breastfeeding pic. This is the kind of ignorance breastfeeding groups are trying to stamp out, but I see they still have a long way to go. Get a grip people.
2013-08-23 03:44:25 PM  
3 votes:
I don't even blame Walmart.  I don't care about their wages, or their cheap crap.  I blame the people who shop there.  If people weren't flocking to Walmart in droves, none of this would be an issue.  If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.

/saving $0.03 on a normally $29.99 item isn't actually saving you anything
//will never shop there
2013-08-24 01:16:38 AM  
2 votes:
Wal-Mart is capitalism death spiral personified. Drive the competition out of business with artificially low numbers using effectively industrial slave labor by demand x quantity at x price. Kill the wages because employees have no other option if they are confined to a specific geographic area due to lack of social mobility because Wal-Mart killed competitive retail jobs and helped drive manufacturing  outsourcing movement while Clinton were in office (Hillary was on the board of directors). The Waltons have more money then the bottom 40 percent of all Americans combined and they are the only retail option for a great deal of the country. Effectively they are the nation's company store. Wal-Mart is in no way sustainable on any level from shipping, to consumer base, store size, power consumption.
2013-08-23 09:28:48 PM  
2 votes:

jaytkay: Kuroshin: If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.

WhyNotBoth?.jpg



Because Walmart is just a business.  It has no power if you don't give it money.  I mean, it really is that simple.  Walmart is powerful for no other reason than people give it power.  It's only the fault of those who shop there.


TopoGigo: Blame me, then. You know why I shop at Walmart? Because I can't afford not to. You think I farking want to do it? No. I want to vote with my wallet. I want to support better business practices. I can't afford to pay an extra 20% on my grocery budget to do so.

I will blame you.  You're full of shiat.  Walmart does not save you 20%.  I've been poor as dirt.  I know what it's like.  I know what things are "worth" when it comes to sustenance.  Walmart is only saving you 2% on most sustenance items at most (and that is very rare).  You feed the beast.  You give them power.  They are only this hideous behemoth because you make them so.  You aren't saving $0.20 on every $1.00 on actual produce and protein.  That's a farking lie.  20% over Whole Foods?  Sure, maybe, I can see that.  But 20% on produce over any other grocery?  Complete and utter BS.  You think there's enough margin on any raw product at *any* grocery store to cut 20% off the top?  I've worked at Fred Meyer (Kroger) and Albertson's, and let me tell you, there isn't 2% to trim on fresh produce, let alone 20%.  You're making excuses for convenience.  I am blaming you.

Kazrath: I shop at walmart on occasion when I specifically want a single or very very rare used specific purpose item.  For example:  I have a 300 dollar Engel ice chest but was doing just an over night trip to the coast with 3 kids (neices / newphew) and needed something to keep like string cheese and some capree suns cold.  The engel is way more efficient but is significantly larger and heavier and just was not needed for this purpose.  So i went and bought a little ice chest that could be carried in the car (instead of the trunk for the engel) so the kids could have snacks while on the road for 4 hours.  So this thing might see use 1 or 2 times a year and will meet this specific need.  Doesn't need to be perfect.

However, nearly all furniture I purchase I try to find a local craftsman and am willing to pay out the arse for quality.  I would rather pay 10X as much for something that lasts 10X as long and is 5X more comfortable to use.  That is a much better value.


But why Walmart?  Why offer them your custom?  Why not some random convenience store?  Almost everywhere sells coolers.  Heck, there are no fewer than three stores within 5 miles of where I'm sitting now that will sell me a small cooler for less than $10.  Even in Bumblefark America, you can get a cooler from almost anywhere that sells beer.

There's no excuse.  Everything hinges upon personal responsibility and personal morals.  Don't like Walmart?  Don't ever shop there.  There is absolutely nothing they offer that you can't get elsewhere, for a couple cents more.  If you shop at Walmart, don't complain about their business practices, because you do so willingly and in full conscience.  You are the one pulling the trigger on those mom and pop stores that are so lamentably turning to dust.  If you are a Walmart shopper, embrace their business practices as your own, because they are.

/interesting side-note, I appear to have a constant typo where instead of "Walmart" I type out "Walkmart"
//dunno why, but it's 100% of the time
2013-08-23 07:18:01 PM  
2 votes:
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Its the only way
2013-08-23 05:37:49 PM  
2 votes:

TopoGigo: Kuroshin: I don't even blame Walmart.  I don't care about their wages, or their cheap crap.  I blame the people who shop there.  If people weren't flocking to Walmart in droves, none of this would be an issue.  If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.

/saving $0.03 on a normally $29.99 item isn't actually saving you anything
//will never shop there

Blame me, then. You know why I shop at Walmart? Because I can't afford not to. You think I farking want to do it? No. I want to vote with my wallet. I want to support better business practices. I can't afford to pay an extra 20% on my grocery budget to do so.


Every time I ever went to go shopping at Walmart, and Target also, the groceries that I was there to buy were always either the same price or a little more expensive than the it was at other grocery stores. In fact there are a couple of stores where groceries are a lot cheaper than Walmart where I live. What is cheaper at Walmart is all of the other crap you really don't need, but you buy because it is so much cheaper than similar products at other stores. That is what they get you in the door with, and then once you are in you go ahead and buy your groceries, which for the most part aren't cheaper than other stores, there because you are already there. In my experience that is how it always appeared to me, it may be different where you live.
2013-08-23 04:18:19 PM  
2 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: A country in which a baby sucking on a boob is NSFW deserves a monster like Walmart.


A country in which anyone sucking on a boob is NSFW deserves a monster like Walmart.
2013-08-23 04:09:54 PM  
2 votes:

Nemo's Brother: While Hillary was a big wig in Walmart, the company learned that you can get cheaper products with slave labor in China.

The Clintons would make utilizing this labor much easier for American companies a few years later.


That does it.  I'm turning in my Liberal Card in at the nearest Liberal Centre.
2013-08-23 03:46:49 PM  
2 votes:

Kuroshin: If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.


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2013-08-23 03:45:27 PM  
2 votes:
A country in which a baby sucking on a boob is NSFW deserves a monster like Walmart.
2013-08-24 09:24:56 AM  
1 votes:

profplump: HeartBurnKid: Wal-Mart contracts a company to coach their employees on how to apply for public assistance. Doesn't that seem a little wrong to you?

It seems awesome to me, as a business strategy. You can pay your employees less and have them be happier about it.

As a social policy it's ridiculous. But that's not on Wal-Mart, that's on us. Wal-Mart might be a giant douchebag, but we're the ones who ordered it.


Who's this "we", kemosabe? Maybe you ordered it. I set foot in a Walmart maybe once a year; whenever possible, I choose retailers that actually support their workers instead. Maybe you ordered it, in which case maybe you should think about what you're ordering.
2013-08-24 08:26:08 AM  
1 votes:
More manufacturing is moving back from China to the US. Before the downturn for example Whamo had moved half their Frisbee production. GE is moving appliance production back to the US slowly but surely. Furniture manufacturers are returning to Georgia. Between high fuel costs and incredibly low quality controls, even Walmart is having trouble forcing suppliers to do business in China.

The jobs are not nearly as plentiful, we are talking highly automated production lines requiring few workers but they need high skill levels. But the workforce itself is contracting so it is not necessarily a bad thing. Plus we make those automated lines here in the US and we do it better than anyone else.

All in all this is Walmart having to adjust to their suppliers' reality. They dictated to the supply chain and it has been a disaster. The major brands that had begged to get into Walmart are forcing them to step back from the ideological position that "manufacturing is a dirty business and below Americans" that had driven the company in the post-Walton era. Sam had sought to make suppliers more market driven and less "you buy what we decide to make, because" but his successors screwed the pooch with their demands to suppliers. Eventually if Walmart hopes to keep recognizable brands in their stores they will have to accept more US sourced products. But it will be incremental change because it takes time to rebuild logistics domestically and manufacturers have a lot of groundwork to lay starting with reshaping shareholder expectations of lower cost of outsourcing production.
2013-08-24 03:35:03 AM  
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The movie "The Campaign" ended up sucking, but the idea of Walmart buying a town in China and naming it "America" now seems oddly prescient.


This happened around WWII in the Japanese town of Usa.
2013-08-23 11:50:48 PM  
1 votes:

finnished: Dwight_Yeast: Somaticasual: 1) negotiate america down until it's unprofitable

That's how they put Rubbermaid out of business.

And Vlasic.


Wal-Mart, the Borg of the Free Market.
2013-08-23 11:13:25 PM  
1 votes:
Elandriel:   It's difficult to afford but I still make it a point to shop at more local stores, small businesses etc simply so I don't reward big box stores like Wal-Mart

And for someone who makes even a very small amount of money less than you, it's impossible to afford.  For those people, Walmart is there.
2013-08-23 09:27:41 PM  
1 votes:

Somaticasual: 1) negotiate america down until it's unprofitable


That's how they put Rubbermaid out of business.  Then they waited until the name and tooling was sold to a Chinese company and they started buying from them at half the cost (but didn't change the retail price).
2013-08-23 07:55:59 PM  
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: A country in which a baby sucking on a boob is NSFW deserves a monster like Walmart.


So there shouldn't be any in some places (like Columbus, Ohio) where it is perfectly legal for women to walk around topless?
2013-08-23 06:22:15 PM  
1 votes:

Geotpf: Kazrath: However, nearly all furniture I purchase I try to find a local craftsman and am willing to pay out the arse for quality.  I would rather pay 10X as much for something that lasts 10X as long and is 5X more comfortable to use.  That is a much better value.

Argh, don't get me started on crap furniture.  I bought a leather sofa and a dining room table and chair set.  All looked great in the store.  Didn't notice at the time that it was all made in China until after I got it all home.  The table was fine, but the chairs all fell apart almost immediately, and, four years later, all the leather is flaking off the sofa in little tiny pieces smaller than a dime (I didn't know leather could even do that).

The kicker is that I bought it all at a small mom and pop store that is now out of business, so, um, yeah.


It cant. Bonded leather can, and is a shiat ton cheaper than actual leather.  It's real leather but it's only about 1/64" thick glued to a canvas or other backing.  If you want leather and you want it to last more than a year or two, ask the salesperson.  If it's bonded leather, walk away.
2013-08-23 06:04:57 PM  
1 votes:

ongbok: TopoGigo: Kuroshin: I don't even blame Walmart.  I don't care about their wages, or their cheap crap.  I blame the people who shop there.  If people weren't flocking to Walmart in droves, none of this would be an issue.  If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.

/saving $0.03 on a normally $29.99 item isn't actually saving you anything
//will never shop there

Blame me, then. You know why I shop at Walmart? Because I can't afford not to. You think I farking want to do it? No. I want to vote with my wallet. I want to support better business practices. I can't afford to pay an extra 20% on my grocery budget to do so.

Every time I ever went to go shopping at Walmart, and Target also, the groceries that I was there to buy were always either the same price or a little more expensive than the it was at other grocery stores. In fact there are a couple of stores where groceries are a lot cheaper than Walmart where I live. What is cheaper at Walmart is all of the other crap you really don't need, but you buy because it is so much cheaper than similar products at other stores. That is what they get you in the door with, and then once you are in you go ahead and buy your groceries, which for the most part aren't cheaper than other stores, there because you are already there. In my experience that is how it always appeared to me, it may be different where you live.


Not where I live. I have a total of seven options to get groceries. Amazon is ungodly expensive for food (we don't have Amazon grocery here yet) and most disposables. One local grocery is a run-down refugee from the 1950's that sells half-expired foods, charges double for crap produce if they even have it in stock, and carries such trusted brands as "Shur-Fine". The other local grocery smells of rotten meat, and I have real concerns about food-borne illness. The local farmers market is really nice, but is only open when I'm working or sleeping, is insanely busy, and is generally more expensive than I can afford. Sav-a-lot is gross and sells mostly seconds and near-expired foods. So, that leaves me to choose between Kroger and Walmart. Kroger is decent, and has good variety. Their butcher's counter is excellent, but is only open until 7pm. Their packaged meats are generally either overpriced or poor quality, though. They've gone with a mostly organic produce section, so it's overpriced and poor quality most of the time. (Sorry, hippies, but organic produce doesn't hold up well in a grocery setting. Grow your own or buy straight from the grower if you want organic.) Their boxed and canned foods, which is what I spend most of my grocery dollars on, are about 70% comparable quality and price, but 30% is literally double the price of the same item at Walmart. Their disposables are also outrageous. I'm not paying more than twice the price for laundry detergent or paper towels just because Kroger thinks I have no choice once I'm there. So, I try to plan well enough that I can order toilet paper, toothpaste, etc. from Amazon, buy all my staples at Walmart one week, and hit Kroger the next week for meats and the few cost-effective veggies/fruit I can find there. I work for tips, though, so I have to make sure that when I have the money I stock up on food--which leaves me shopping at Walmart.

Trust me, I'm not buying any non-food items that I expect any kind of lifespan from at Walmart. I learned a long time ago that buying quality generally is cheaper in the long run.
2013-08-23 05:24:03 PM  
1 votes:
I don't understand Wal-Mart shoppers. If you're so obese you can't even walk, why not stay home and buy from Amazon instead?
2013-08-23 05:22:56 PM  
1 votes:

Kuroshin: I don't even blame Walmart.  I don't care about their wages, or their cheap crap.  I blame the people who shop there.  If people weren't flocking to Walmart in droves, none of this would be an issue.  If you shop at Walmart, you are the problem, not Walmart.

/saving $0.03 on a normally $29.99 item isn't actually saving you anything
//will never shop there


Blame me, then. You know why I shop at Walmart? Because I can't afford not to. You think I farking want to do it? No. I want to vote with my wallet. I want to support better business practices. I can't afford to pay an extra 20% on my grocery budget to do so.
2013-08-23 05:08:39 PM  
1 votes:

rev. dave: I guess they count land and buildings as US made goods.


They don't even buy those, they lease them.

Walmart makes money because stupid people shop there.
Stop shopping at Walmart.
Walmart stops making money.
Problem solved.
2013-08-23 04:45:08 PM  
1 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Why is it that when Democrats act like Republicans, Republicans get upset about it?


It may be because Republicans assume Democrats don't care about it when it happens.
2013-08-23 03:28:19 PM  
1 votes:
Wal-Mart white knights, ASSEMBLE!!
2013-08-23 03:26:05 PM  
1 votes:
Next thing you know, those bright, happy, enthusiastic employees they use in the commercials aren't the real veteran employees of the store making $8/hour.
2013-08-23 03:00:31 PM  
1 votes:
Being walmart, they'll:
1) negotiate america down until it's unprofitable
2) take over the region
3) hire everyone not currently working for walmart
4) fold its hands and laugh maniacally at all the boarded up storefronts..
2013-08-23 02:58:39 PM  
1 votes:
Half expected the article to be about how the Execs at Walmart created a shell of a new company 'based' in the US that they bought all their products from, but that company continued to use all the regular suppliers and just 'directly shipped' the product to the Walmart stores.
2013-08-23 02:54:44 PM  
1 votes:
I guess they count land and buildings as US made goods.
2013-08-23 02:34:05 PM  
1 votes:
Walmart lies? GTFO of here!
 
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