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(Al Jazeera)   Russia tells Syria to allow UN chemical weapons investigation, tells United States 'Have fun in your next quagmire'   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 106
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2013-08-23 12:34:54 PM
"Have fun in your next quagmire"

What can I say, we're suckers for 3rd world shiatholes with social problems.
 
2013-08-23 12:35:02 PM
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2013-08-23 12:35:46 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: "Have fun in your next quagmire"

What can I say, we're suckers for 3rd world shiatholes with social problems.


The US: Where the police are soldiers and the soldiers are police.
 
2013-08-23 12:35:48 PM
i29.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-23 12:35:58 PM
"Have fun in your next quagmire"


Giggity,Giggity, goo....
 
2013-08-23 12:36:28 PM
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2013-08-23 12:37:35 PM
Can I get a White Snake "Here I go again"?


/it was White Snake, wasn't it?
 
2013-08-23 12:37:55 PM
www.geekologie.com
 
2013-08-23 12:39:46 PM
But, will China follow Russia's lead in this? Without China; the UN resolution will be about as effective as shutting the barndoor after the horse escaped and the barn burned down.
 
2013-08-23 12:39:51 PM
Obama outfoxed once again by the dreaded Soviets and that shirtless alpha male firebrand loved by so many here in the states. That man is a national treasure.

Meanwhile we get "president" M0m Jeans and his cadre of mincing arugula nibblers.
 
2013-08-23 12:40:36 PM
i1.ytimg.com

*sigh*

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2013-08-23 12:40:44 PM
I'm trying to think of an appropriate Aesop's fable to compare this to, that is not considered politically incorrect
 
2013-08-23 12:42:22 PM
How's that "leading from behind" thing working out?
 
2013-08-23 12:43:55 PM
Syrians are killing in a way we don't approve of. Better send in the army to kill Syrians until they go back to killing each other the right way.
 
2013-08-23 12:46:41 PM
... So what would you like, Submitter? Should the US's reaction to chemical weapons being used on children and civilians be "That sucks. Not our problem."?

I suspect you'd be blasting the US for being callous and not caring about the lives of anyone but their ow in that case.
 
2013-08-23 12:46:59 PM
So how does a UN inspector tell who fired the shells?
 
2013-08-23 12:47:16 PM
Careful Ned, you know what happens when you stick your neck out.
 
2013-08-23 12:47:29 PM

Ned Stark: Syrians are killing in a way we don't approve of. Better send in the army to kill Syrians until they go back to killing each other the right way.


I like the way you think. Have you considered running for public office?
 
2013-08-23 12:48:11 PM

lewismarktwo: The US: Where the police are soldiers and the soldiers are police


Oooo, that's good!
 
2013-08-23 12:48:15 PM
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2013-08-23 12:50:25 PM

Felgraf: ... So what would you like, Submitter? Should the US's reaction to chemical weapons being used on children and civilians be "That sucks. Not our problem."?

I suspect you'd be blasting the US for being callous and not caring about the lives of anyone but their ow in that case.


i dunno, being called callous is a lot cheaper/healthier than war
 
2013-08-23 12:51:11 PM
Ah, that brings back memories of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
 
2013-08-23 12:51:31 PM

Felgraf: ... So what would you like, Submitter? Should the US's reaction to chemical weapons being used on children and civilians be "That sucks. Not our problem."?

I suspect you'd be blasting the US for being callous and not caring about the lives of anyone but their ow in that case.


When are we invading North Korea?
 
2013-08-23 12:53:21 PM
What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?
 
2013-08-23 12:55:18 PM
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2013-08-23 12:58:15 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?


Well; in a legit armed conflict between nations; the hammer by itself will probably get you a farking metal. The hammer with pesticides on it will, probably, get you a trial before The Hague.
 
2013-08-23 01:00:23 PM

Elvis Presleys Death Throne: "Have fun in your next quagmire"

What can I say, we're suckers for 3rd world shiatholes with social problems.


I'm using the phrase in my Christmas cards. It's full of goodwill to all men on so many levels.
 
2013-08-23 01:39:27 PM

iheartscotch: DROxINxTHExWIND: What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?

Well; in a legit armed conflict between nations; the hammer by itself will probably get you a farking metal. The hammer with pesticides on it will, probably, get you a trial before The Hague.


The thing is most of us - civilized countries, that is - decided chemical weapons were off limits.  It really seems like there are chem weapons being used in Syria and the only question is who is using them. My money is on Assad.

Both sides are bad, so evacuate the Kurds and nuke the whole country from orbit.
 
2013-08-23 01:39:31 PM

webthing01: [media.cagle.com image 600x426]



So who exactly used the weapons?

Who exactly should we attack?

Why should we attack them?

How should we attack them?

Who should pay for attacking them?

Will your write the letters to the dead soldiers family?

Looking forward to your speedy reply!

Thanks in advance!
 
2013-08-23 01:42:53 PM

Raharu: webthing01: [media.cagle.com image 600x426]


So who exactly used the weapons?

Who exactly should we attack?

Why should we attack them?

How should we attack them?

Who should pay for attacking them?

Will your write the letters to the dead soldiers family?

Looking forward to your speedy reply!

Thanks in advance!


Which is why it was stupid to set red lines.
 
2013-08-23 01:44:49 PM

Ned Stark: Syrians are killing in a way we don't approve of. Better send in the army to kill Syrians until they go back to killing each other the right way.


There is really no way I can phrase better why the US needs to just shrug our shoulders and say, "That sucks, but whatcha gonna do."
 
2013-08-23 01:47:44 PM

Felgraf: ... So what would you like, Submitter? Should the US's reaction to chemical weapons being used on children and civilians be "That sucks. Not our problem."?

Yes

 
2013-08-23 01:49:26 PM

gfid: iheartscotch: DROxINxTHExWIND: What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?

Well; in a legit armed conflict between nations; the hammer by itself will probably get you a farking metal. The hammer with pesticides on it will, probably, get you a trial before The Hague.

The thing is most of us - civilized countries, that is - decided chemical weapons were off limits.   It really seems like there are chem weapons being used in Syria and the only question is who is using them. My money is on Assad.


Why?

Of all the "interested parties" that might be culpable, AssadCo would have the least reason to have used CW's, and the most reasons not to.

IF CW's were in fact used, it would seem more likely that they were used by others in an attempt to bring the heat on AssadCo,
 
2013-08-23 01:49:55 PM
Putin is acting more and more like B'rer Rabbit these days.
 
2013-08-23 01:49:59 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?


Seriously, DRO?

The proper analogy is the difference in killing someone with a bullet to the head versus killing them by slow roasting them for hours or days over open flame... read up on what chemical and nerve agents do to you internally and how you die - or sometimes don't die but live in pain for years more, with terrible DNA defects if you ever have offspring. Also, chem and nerve tend to kill way more people at once, very often non-combatants, when used in civilian population centers, hence their designation as WMD.

There's a reason the US has a policy of never using chem/nerve first, only as a possible retaliation of its use against our troops directly... it's some terrible shiat.
 
2013-08-23 01:53:39 PM

lewismarktwo: Elvis Presleys Death Throne: "Have fun in your next quagmire"

What can I say, we're suckers for 3rd world shiatholes with social problems.

The US: Where the police are soldiers and the soldiers are police.


And the problem is...?

Police and soldiers do the same thing, enforce their laws through violence when necessary and the threat of violence otherwise. The difference is police are trained to do this at the request of the communities they occupy, while soldiers are trained to do this against the will of the communities they occupy. This forces them to use very different tactics, police generally performing investigations to determine legal responsibility and soldiers generally doing whatever it takes to keep themselves alive while kicking the ass of anyone who makes them come over there, but if we decide to treat our police with murderous hostility and foreign countries are begging our soldiers to save them, it shouldn't come as much of a surprise that each might start adopting the other's tactics.
 
2013-08-23 01:53:54 PM
Why should the US intervene? Not our citizens, not our problem. There are other nations who could intervene if they so want. Let them have a turn.
 
2013-08-23 01:55:15 PM

webthing01: [media.cagle.com image 600x426]


There's no good side in this, only shades of bad, and we do not need to get quagmired down in another ground war in the middle east.

Especially one that would turn into a US vs. Russia proxy war.
 
2013-08-23 01:55:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with hammers that have pesticide on them?


A more apt analogy would be;

What difference does it make if i kill 1,000 people with hammers versus killing them with automatic drones equipped with hammers that Kill everyone that is within their range, don't know the difference between an infant and a combatant and kill them painfully and slowly have pesticide on them?
 
2013-08-23 01:57:21 PM

Felgraf: ... So what would you like, Submitter? Should the US's reaction to chemical weapons being used on children and civilians be "That sucks. Not our problem."?

I suspect you'd be blasting the US for being callous and not caring about the lives of anyone but their ow in that case.


The single biggest use of weapons of mass destruction in the history of mankind was deployed by the US.  Second biggest as well.  Worse, those weapons were not used against a military center - they were used against a civilian population.

Over the last several decades, every police action in which we've been involved has gone miserably, and we've done more harm than good by most accounts.  From Vietnam to Afghanistan, we've done nothing but win the battles and lose the wars.

So yes, perhaps - as bad as it might be - we should not be involved.
 
2013-08-23 01:57:49 PM
This must be the pants-shiatting thread.
I guess nobody noticed this is an about-face for Putin
From "hands off"
To "we're backing the wrong side"

Of course Obama is to blame
 
2013-08-23 01:57:53 PM

YixilTesiphon: Raharu: webthing01: [media.cagle.com image 600x426]


So who exactly used the weapons?

Who exactly should we attack?

Why should we attack them?

How should we attack them?

Who should pay for attacking them?

Will your write the letters to the dead soldiers family?

Looking forward to your speedy reply!

Thanks in advance!

Which is why it was stupid to set red lines.


I dunno -- problem is, lack of "red lines" means any war becomes automatically highly questionable.  Because there's always the war we elected NOT to do and then it becomes, "well, why didn't we intervene in blah blah blah I tell you why because it's about CONSPIRACY!"
 
2013-08-23 01:58:18 PM
meh, just blow up Assad if we find out they used chemical weapons.  Gives an immediate response and doesn't endanger many lives.
 
2013-08-23 02:00:08 PM
Time, time, time for another peaceful war
 
2013-08-23 02:03:34 PM
Actually, can someone explain the situation in Syria to me? I Apologise for my ignorance, I genuinely don't understand what's going on and who stands for what. Is anyone in the right? I'm seriously asking, I don't know anything about this conflict and am looking to be educated.
 
2013-08-23 02:05:04 PM
NostroZ:
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What's up?

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2013-08-23 02:06:07 PM

oryx: Ah, that brings back memories of the Gulf of Tonkin incident.


If you had asked me, and you didn't, I definitely would have said that it was the Gulf of Tolkein.
 
2013-08-23 02:08:32 PM

Amos Quito: Of all the "interested parties" that might be culpable, AssadCo would have the least reason to have used CW's, and the most reasons not to.

IF CW's were in fact used, it would seem more likely that they were used by others in an attempt to bring the heat on AssadCo,


So you're saying it wasn't ricin, but Lily of the Valley . . .
 
2013-08-23 02:09:40 PM

time to break out....


THE SLIGHTLY DARKER RED LINE!
 
2013-08-23 02:09:56 PM

Raharu: webthing01: [media.cagle.com image 600x426]


So who exactly used the weapons?

Who exactly should we attack?

Why should we attack them?

How should we attack them?

Who should pay for attacking them?

Will your write the letters to the dead soldiers family?

Looking forward to your speedy reply!

Thanks in advance!


I'm sure the answer involves killing them all, and possibly letting some deity sort them out.
 
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