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2013-08-23 08:22:40 AM
I can haz Tebow Time nao?
 
2013-08-23 08:23:37 AM
As someone said in the game thread, Belichick's postgame presser was comedy gold
 
2013-08-23 08:49:07 AM

cameroncrazy1984: As someone said in the game thread, Belichick's postgame presser was comedy gold


He had the kind of barely contained rage that makes me think he slapped Tebow a time or two after getting off the podium.
 
2013-08-23 08:58:13 AM
Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
 
2013-08-23 09:00:21 AM
In an meaningless preseason game.  I was happy with Detroit's D but I'm not going to get too excited because the first-team offense looks lost without Megatron.
 
2013-08-23 09:01:17 AM

superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.


Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.
 
2013-08-23 09:05:28 AM
As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"
 
2013-08-23 09:07:28 AM

cameroncrazy1984: As someone said in the game thread, Belichick's postgame presser was comedy gold


What else does anyone expect from him at this point?

I'm pretty sure he just wanted to get it over with so he could get out of Detroit.
 
2013-08-23 09:07:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.


If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.
 
2013-08-23 09:08:33 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.

If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.


Most prepared != winning.
 
2013-08-23 09:09:44 AM

cameroncrazy1984: As someone said in the game thread, Belichick's postgame presser was comedy gold


did Belichick run off the field like a spoiled child before the game was even over?
 
2013-08-23 09:11:36 AM
FTFA:
Ryan Mallett directed the Patriots for the entire second half with New England's coaches opting not to play third-stringer Tim Tebow. A contingent of fans at the game broke into a "We want Tebow!" chant.

This is why most real football fans are sick of Tebow. It's not so much him as it is his fans.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:36 AM

WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"


As a Pata fan, yup


I hope Tebow is released the day after their last preseason game
 
2013-08-23 09:15:13 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.

If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.

Most prepared != winning.


Uh-huh.
 
2013-08-23 09:15:33 AM
PRE season
 
2013-08-23 09:16:02 AM
No Welker, Gronk or Hernandez. Amendola is a walking ER. Brady's getting old and the hits are starting to add up.

Enjoy the season, Pats fans
 
2013-08-23 09:16:07 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: FTFA:
Ryan Mallett directed the Patriots for the entire second half with New England's coaches opting not to play third-stringer Tim Tebow. A contingent of fans at the game broke into a "We want Tebow!" chant.

This is why most real football fans are sick of Tebow. It's not so much him as it is his fans.


He really IS Jesus Christ.
 
2013-08-23 09:17:10 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.

If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.

Most prepared != winning.

Uh-huh.


Look, the second half of these games is typically decided by roster filler. Who wins is irrelevant. How the first-team offense looks against the first-team defense is much more important to watch.
 
2013-08-23 09:18:59 AM

superdolfan1: As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.


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2013-08-23 09:20:13 AM
Pats looked unready. It becomes immediately obvious how much their offense was reliant upon short distance passing, and that they don't have adequate replacements for those pass catchers.

That said, I'm always reminded that the Lions won all 4 preseason games the year they went 0-16
 
2013-08-23 09:20:41 AM

WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"


If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.
 
2013-08-23 09:20:54 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: FTFA:
Ryan Mallett directed the Patriots for the entire second half with New England's coaches opting not to play third-stringer Tim Tebow. A contingent of fans at the game broke into a "We want Tebow!" chant.

This is why most real football fans are sick of Tebow. It's not so much him as it is his fans.


The chant started with 10 minutes to go and the game was in Detroit.  It was mocking the Patriots and Brady, not actually calling for Tebow.
 
2013-08-23 09:24:12 AM
STAFFORDCUBE INCOMING
 
2013-08-23 09:26:31 AM

kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.


Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team
 
2013-08-23 09:32:02 AM

WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"


Reporter: Coach, why didn't Tebow play?
Belichick: We only played two quarterbacks.
 
2013-08-23 09:33:26 AM
How is Reggie Bush looking in the Lions' offensive schemes?  I need to justify having him fairly high on my draft board.
 
2013-08-23 09:33:38 AM
When was the last time the Patriots got vaporized this badly in every phase of a game? Pre season or not?
 
2013-08-23 09:34:15 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.

If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.


Agreed.
 
2013-08-23 09:34:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.

Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team


You don't have to have a 3rb qb anymore.  A couple of years ago they just turned that spot into a 46th roster spot.
 
2013-08-23 09:36:25 AM
I'm not a Pats or Bellichick fan, but you have to respect them and also remember that preseason counts for nothing. After all, what better way to go into the season making folks think you are falling apart. So this performance doesn't mean anything.
 
2013-08-23 09:38:53 AM
Relax everyone, it is still pre-season. The Cheatriots and Belicheat don't start cheating to win until week 1.

//Cheaters
 
2013-08-23 09:41:59 AM
Every year, the same thing.  Fans, announcers, analysts, ESPN bobble heads - please remember:

PRESEASON DOES NOT MATTER.

It's a mix of starters and bench warmers, running 1/4 of their playbook in an attempt figure things out that have little to do with the actual scenario played on the field in that moment.  Decisions are different, personnel is different, coordination and coaching is different, and the stakes are exceptionally low for a win or loss, so only a few low-string individuals are playing with 100% focus and intensity to make the team.

And historically there is zero - ZERO - correlation between success in the preseason and success int the regular season.  Let it go, concentrate on who will make the team, who the starters might be, and move on.  That's the only thing you can reasonably extract from these games.
 
2013-08-23 09:43:13 AM
I can't wait to buy these at severe discount once he gets cut.

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2013-08-23 09:44:35 AM

mikaloyd: When was the last time the Patriots got vaporized this badly in every phase of a game? Pre season or not?


2011 preseason game 3 against the Lions in Detroit.  Lost that one 34-10 in a game that looked just as bad as this one.  Patriots went to the Super Bowl that year.  Obviously not saying that will happen again this year, but just to show how even the "dress-rehearsal" game 3 is really just as meaningless as the rest of the preseason games.

Oh, and there's also this.

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2013-08-23 09:46:45 AM

Khellendros: Every year, the same thing.  Fans, announcers, analysts, ESPN bobble heads - please remember:

PRESEASON DOES NOT MATTER.

It's a mix of starters and bench warmers, running 1/4 of their playbook in an attempt figure things out that have little to do with the actual scenario played on the field in that moment.  Decisions are different, personnel is different, coordination and coaching is different, and the stakes are exceptionally low for a win or loss, so only a few low-string individuals are playing with 100% focus and intensity to make the team.

And historically there is zero - ZERO - correlation between success in the preseason and success int the regular season.  Let it go, concentrate on who will make the team, who the starters might be, and move on.  That's the only thing you can reasonably extract from these games.


Technically speaking the correlation coefficient between preseason and regular season wins is about 0.15
 
2013-08-23 09:54:39 AM

GoldSpider: How is Reggie Bush looking in the Lions' offensive schemes?  I need to justify having him fairly high on my draft board.


To cross sports metaphors, he'll be Adam Dunn in pads.  He's going to have games where he gets you 150 total yards and a couple touchdowns and he'll have games where he's getting you 30-40 total yards.

The Lions can't run block worth a damn.  However, with Calvin healthy and spreading the field vertically, I can see Reggie breaking some huge screens or drop-offs over the middle.
 
2013-08-23 09:58:43 AM

Night Night Cream Puff: FTFA:
Ryan Mallett directed the Patriots for the entire second half with New England's coaches opting not to play third-stringer Tim Tebow. A contingent of fans at the game broke into a "We want Tebow!" chant.

This is why most real football fans are sick of Tebow. It's not so much him as it is his fans.


Why are you attacking TIM!  He's a good kid and he tries so hard and he works so hard and he has such good values and is not like all the THUGS in the league that listen to rap music that goes "boogie woogie baby wanna stick it in ya!"

I think this is another example of the rabid anti-Christian bigotry that has permeated all levels of the media that has no faith in TIM!  Tim won more playoff games with the Broncos than Peyton Manning so that means he's better.
 
2013-08-23 09:58:50 AM

flak attack: Lost Thought 00: kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.

Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team

You don't have to have a 3rb qb anymore.  A couple of years ago they just turned that spot into a 46th roster spot.


While technically, the emergency quarterback doesn't HAVE to be a quarterback, if he's not then you're just dressing a guy who isn't allowed to actually play.
 
2013-08-23 09:59:53 AM

HaywoodJablonski: No Welker, Gronk or Hernandez. Amendola is a walking ER. Brady's getting old and the hits are starting to add up.

Enjoy the season, Pats fans


I'm pretty sure they could forfeit half their games and still be a top 4 seed by finishing first in the east.

Random t I can't get rid of on my iPad.

Technology is hard.

t
 
2013-08-23 09:59:54 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Jim from Saint Paul: cameroncrazy1984: superdolfan1: Pre-season NFL = Glorified Scrimmage designed to collect extra revenue. The only thing a team can lose is a valuable player due to injury.  As far as wins or losses, it means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Yeah, maybe to the casual fan. But you can pick out which teams are more prepared for the season, especially in week 3.

If this was true, the Lions would be the dynasty team of the 2000's.

So yeah, not so much.

Most prepared != winning.


They have the best prepared taunts. Too bad they'll never get to use them
 
2013-08-23 10:04:35 AM
Only FARK, having your ass handed to you on a platter in a pre season game considered to be a plus
 
2013-08-23 10:05:12 AM

Lost Thought 00: Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team


They don't have to keep a third. And there are plenty of free agents and practice squadders who could be brought in if something happened to Brady or Mallett. And like many teams one of their position players probably played QB at some point in his career and would be the "emergency" third QB if both Brady and Mallett were knocked out in the same game.
 
2013-08-23 10:10:35 AM

kronicfeld: Lost Thought 00: Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team

They don't have to keep a third. And there are plenty of free agents and practice squadders who could be brought in if something happened to Brady or Mallett. And like many teams one of their position players probably played QB at some point in his career and would be the "emergency" third QB if both Brady and Mallett were knocked out in the same game.

 Julian Edelman was a QB in college.
 
2013-08-23 10:12:40 AM

meanmutton: flak attack: Lost Thought 00: kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.

Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team

You don't have to have a 3rb qb anymore.  A couple of years ago they just turned that spot into a 46th roster spot.

While technically, the emergency quarterback doesn't HAVE to be a quarterback, if he's not then you're just dressing a guy who isn't allowed to actually play.


That isn't true anymore either.  Hasn't been since the 2010 season.
 
2013-08-23 10:16:35 AM

flak attack: meanmutton: flak attack: Lost Thought 00: kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.

Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team

You don't have to have a 3rb qb anymore.  A couple of years ago they just turned that spot into a 46th roster spot.

While technically, the emergency quarterback doesn't HAVE to be a quarterback, if he's not then you're just dressing a guy who isn't allowed to actually play.

That isn't true anymore either.  Hasn't been since the 2010 season.


Oh, shiat.  I didn't know that.  Why the hell are teams still keeping a 3rd quarterback?  Seems like an extra linebacker or defensive back or running back would be WAY more valuable.
 
2013-08-23 10:20:41 AM

Khellendros: Every year, the same thing.  Fans, announcers, analysts, ESPN bobble heads - please remember:

PRESEASON DOES NOT MATTER.

It's a mix of starters and bench warmers, running 1/4 of their playbook in an attempt figure things out that have little to do with the actual scenario played on the field in that moment.  Decisions are different, personnel is different, coordination and coaching is different, and the stakes are exceptionally low for a win or loss, so only a few low-string individuals are playing with 100% focus and intensity to make the team.

And historically there is zero - ZERO - correlation between success in the preseason and success int the regular season.  Let it go, concentrate on who will make the team, who the starters might be, and move on.  That's the only thing you can reasonably extract from these games.


Exactly. As fans, you should be watching how the rookies do in positional battles, whether anybody on the bench leaps out at you later in games, and how players that were injured the year before are doing on blocks, cut-backs, etc. For example, Eric Fisher, the first overall pick, is getting destroyed, and I'm starting to worry about whether taking the project/high upside guy over the sure thing in Joekel was the right move.
 
2013-08-23 10:23:02 AM
Since Schwartz got his start under Belichick, I wonder if he was throwing Gym Shortz a bone.
 
2013-08-23 10:28:31 AM

Lost Thought 00: Khellendros: Every year, the same thing.  Fans, announcers, analysts, ESPN bobble heads - please remember:

PRESEASON DOES NOT MATTER.

It's a mix of starters and bench warmers, running 1/4 of their playbook in an attempt figure things out that have little to do with the actual scenario played on the field in that moment.  Decisions are different, personnel is different, coordination and coaching is different, and the stakes are exceptionally low for a win or loss, so only a few low-string individuals are playing with 100% focus and intensity to make the team.

And historically there is zero - ZERO - correlation between success in the preseason and success int the regular season.  Let it go, concentrate on who will make the team, who the starters might be, and move on.  That's the only thing you can reasonably extract from these games.

Technically speaking the correlation coefficient between preseason and regular season wins is about 0.15


Correct.  However, a Pearson value of 0.15 across a sample size of 32 teams records and roughly 64 preseason games means zero correlation.  Not even considered a weak correlation.  It's not statistically significant, even at a 0.05 confidence level (any T-test comes out as a random scatter).

So again, zero correlation.  And for some reason, analysts still talk about the struggle or success of a team based off of their preseason performance as if it's a reasonable indicator of success.  It's not, and the numbers have proven that for years.
 
2013-08-23 10:32:16 AM

Khellendros: Lost Thought 00: Khellendros: Every year, the same thing.  Fans, announcers, analysts, ESPN bobble heads - please remember:

PRESEASON DOES NOT MATTER.

It's a mix of starters and bench warmers, running 1/4 of their playbook in an attempt figure things out that have little to do with the actual scenario played on the field in that moment.  Decisions are different, personnel is different, coordination and coaching is different, and the stakes are exceptionally low for a win or loss, so only a few low-string individuals are playing with 100% focus and intensity to make the team.

And historically there is zero - ZERO - correlation between success in the preseason and success int the regular season.  Let it go, concentrate on who will make the team, who the starters might be, and move on.  That's the only thing you can reasonably extract from these games.

Technically speaking the correlation coefficient between preseason and regular season wins is about 0.15

Correct.  However, a Pearson value of 0.15 across a sample size of 32 teams records and roughly 64 preseason games means zero correlation.  Not even considered a weak correlation.  It's not statistically significant, even at a 0.05 confidence level (any T-test comes out as a random scatter).

So again, zero correlation.  And for some reason, analysts still talk about the struggle or success of a team based off of their preseason performance as if it's a reasonable indicator of success.  It's not, and the numbers have proven that for years.


What oif you throw out the 1st 2nd and especially 4th games which REALLY dont matter?
 
2013-08-23 10:33:04 AM

Lost Thought 00: kronicfeld: WTF Indeed: As a Jets fan just let me say one thing, you asked for this Patriots. ESPN will be there 24/7 asking about Tebow. "Can Brady still throw it like he used too? Should they run more? Tebow can run, you should let Tebow run. Tebow will make plays others can't. Hey coach, why aren't using Tebow more?"

If you think that Tim Tebow will have a job with the Patriots after 6:00 p.m. on August 31 then you might be delusional.

Who else will be the 3rd qb? He will absolutely be on the team


Waiver wire, hell Donovan McNabb would be better. He will be on the team though
 
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