Surpheon: Daffydil: I read 'Control group lab mice' and quit reading your comment. I'm basing my opinion on myself.Shrug, you're welcome to be stupid. Do you only use drugs developed by testing on yourself too?I find it fascinating terrifying that carefully bred animals kept under documented identical exercise and diet conditions for thirty years are showing weight gain at about the same rate as the human population.
Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...
Magorn: after a while I gave in to all the haters who said "oh this just CAN'T be healthy you have to be doing some sort of secret damage to your kidneys/liver/ SOMETHING no way it's this easy"
mr0x: It doesn't matter how active you are. If you don't eat, you won't get fat. will die.
Gaseous Anomaly: Resist the temptation to ever utter that phrase when discussing diets. The same thing NEVEr works for everyone.
Magorn: almost right, the AND is that the Insulin your body has to produce to deal with the sugar, also sets of a series of microhormones in your body on of which s very specifically the fat storage signal. If that signal is off you don;t store fat, and if insulin's opposite number, glucagon is predominant in your system, the fat BURNING switch gets turned on and you lose weight, or at least body fat, irresepctive of how many calories you eat
AngryDragon: bmongar: Actually food calorie counts are inaccurate as to how usable the calories are. That is 100 calories of sugar in a food with both soluble and insoluble fiber will yield less caloric intake that 100 calories of sugar without the fiberI have to disagree with this. 100 calories of sugar is just that, 100 calories of sugar. It takes the same amount of "work" to burn that much potential energy. The advantage of fiber is that it slows the rate of absorption for those 100 calories. So instead of your body getting the whole thing pumped into your bloodstream at once, it is metabolized more slowly.This is an advantage because of how the body produces insulin and what it does. Sudden blood sugar spikes cause large insulin releases. This will ultimately result in excess sugar being stored as fat. This is also why you get a "sugar crash". Once you have burned what you can use and it has stored everything away, the excess insulin causes your blood sugar to drop. Then you have to eat to feel better again. It's a vicious cycle.That's why sugar is so terrible for you. Your body can only use so much, the rest is stored.
odinsposse: Also, before the low carbers come out in force to ruin this thread with their psuedo-science: Low carb diets help people lose weight by lowering their calorie consumption. Ketosis doesn't effect weight loss. People improve their blood sugar by losing weight even when they do it on a high carb low fat diet. It's wonderful you found a diet that works for you but you guys are becoming the diet equivalent of Randian gold bugs.
Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to readaside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:calories in > calories outit makes me lol when my friends embark on complicated explanations about eating protein and carbs together between 7 and 8 pm, or some secret thing in pineapples. they just don't want to face it. they overeat.
sigdiamond2000: Can the vast, vast majority of it be controlled with diet and exercise? Probably.
Lady J: Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to readaside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:calories in > calories outIt's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.Not really:"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."No, really. Next paragraph:"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."as someone else has already said... 'eat less move more' would work IF people did it
Gaseous Anomaly: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to readaside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:calories in > calories outit makes me lol when my friends embark on complicated explanations about eating protein and carbs together between 7 and 8 pm, or some secret thing in pineapples. they just don't want to face it. they overeat.Yes, we all know that, it doesn't tell us anything interesting.The interesting question: WHY do they overeat?If it's just a moral failing of low self-control, what is it that makes it difficult for them? Porkitude doesn't correlate particularly well with low self-control in other areas (holding down jobs, savings, the 'marshmallow experiment', etc.), so why does it manifest in one area?Why are people fatter today than last generation? If it's just because this generation is more worthless as human beings, why wasn't that the case when Romans were making that complaint about their kids?/I sound fat//calorie counting, dropping pounds pretty quickly, but it's about as hard as if all of Fark had to quit drinking///personal pet theory to explain the increase: some combination of more "superstimulus" food, and some hormone analog or other in the environment
Gaseous Anomaly: Pangea: I've forgotten the list of conditions causing people to gain weight while running a calorie deficit, so I'm looking forward to that again.The simple explanation: a lot of people who think they're running a calorie deficit, aren't.That's because nobody understands that calorie counts on food (from e.g. nutrition labels) are pretty accurate, but calorie counts for exercises (e.g. 30 min of 3.5mph walking for a 300-pounder "burns 265 calories") are wild-ass guesses.Pretty much the only way to actually know how many calories you burn is to measure your food intake, measure your fat loss (by weighing in often and smoothing with a running average), and compare.THAT is the most helpful response for most people, not "ha ha thermodynamics".
Surpheon: Control group lab micehave gotten fatter in the last 30 years, along with all manner of animals.
Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to readaside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:calories in > calories out
EvilEgg: anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me. How could such a learned group be wrong?/I sound fat, because I am.
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