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2013-08-23 08:31:37 AM
anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.

But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me.  How could such a learned group be wrong?

/I sound fat, because I am.
 
2013-08-23 09:11:10 AM

EvilEgg: But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me. How could such a learned group be wrong?


There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of by Fark scienticians.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:10 AM
"Dhurandhar likens obesity to other chronic diseases. Just as the term cancer covers the numerous conditions that occur when abnormal cells divide out of control, obesity may not be a single disease but rather, a group of diseases tied together by the symptom of too much body fat, he said. "

We should ask doctors throughout the developing world how they treated these diseases as they seem to have had a lot of success.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:11 AM
Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...
 
2013-08-23 09:14:18 AM
Somebody please post the Bloom County strip of Milo telling Opus to est less and excercise
 
2013-08-23 09:14:42 AM
I hope it's a slide show.
 
2013-08-23 09:15:19 AM
I'm sure there will be a great deal of civil, reasoned debate in this thread. I look forward to reading it.
 
2013-08-23 09:15:21 AM
It's been several years since I last went to a McDonald's, let alone ate anything from there, but I thought there were more items on the menu than 84.
 
2013-08-23 09:15:25 AM
Sugar.

That is all.
 
2013-08-23 09:17:03 AM
tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

it makes me lol when my friends embark on complicated explanations about eating protein and carbs together between 7 and 8 pm, or some secret thing in pineapples. they just don't want to face it. they overeat.
 
2013-08-23 09:19:56 AM
Oh goody. New additions for their excuse list.
 
2013-08-23 09:19:57 AM
I've got the exercise thing down. My diet is fairly low carb, moderate fat. The problem must be a virus. And two family sized bottles of rum each week.
 
2013-08-23 09:19:58 AM

Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...


It doesn't matter how active you are. If you don't eat, you won't get fat.
 
2013-08-23 09:27:23 AM

mr0x: It doesn't matter how active you are. If you don't eat, you won't get fat. will die.


be realistic...

/oh wait...this is Fark
 
2013-08-23 09:30:14 AM
I say it is the forks fault, since I wont put it down.
 
2013-08-23 09:31:08 AM

EvilEgg: anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.

But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me.  How could such a learned group be wrong?

/I sound fat, because I am.


Uh, this is pretty much exactly what the farkscience guys scream in every thread. There is never any other answer for them, it's always 'eat less run more' period.  And if your BMI is over X then you're obese and diabetic and there's no saying otherwise, end of story.

And...it pretty much is. There's no secret whatever, all of these fad diets work around either controlling your intake in various ways to limit total calories a day, or controlling your intake to achieve ketosis. Notice a common bind?

To lose weight? Why not avoid sugar. All of it. In every form except 1 piece of fruit a day (because most fruit has a decent nutrient to calorie ratio compared to a soda, but it's still crappy). That means 99% of processed foods are out since sugar is added to everything, and that makes a massive dent in your calorie count.
 
2013-08-23 09:34:32 AM
FTFA:

"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said.

It hasn't helped because most overweight people aren't dieting or exercising. It takes people, you know, actually doing it, not just the act of handing out literature and presenting PowerPoint slides.
 
2013-08-23 09:36:47 AM

EvilEgg: anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.

But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me.  How could such a learned group be wrong?

/I sound fat, because I am.


Precisely. We have been repeatedly assured by the FarkMD's that loosing weight is very simple, you just need to decrease your calories and increase your exercise.  There are NO OTHER FACTORS. NONE. EVER. So if you are fat it is simply because you lack their Superior Willpower and self control.

I sound fat because I was 150lbs ago, and know from personal experience just what utter hogwash that is.
 
2013-08-23 09:43:14 AM
You know, I'm not one of these "Big Pharma is conspiring to keep us sick" types, but whenever I hear an expert start talking about "the obesity bug" and the relation of sleep disorder to obesity, I start to wonder what J&J executive he "plays golf with."

Because I'm sure 110-pound cavemen got a blissful 10 hours every night.
 
2013-08-23 09:43:38 AM

Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...


Complex problems often have simple, incorrect answers. Yours would be one.  Control group lab micehave gotten fatter in the last 30 years, along with all manner of animals. That strongly suggests there is an environmental cause at play beyond Twinkies and Coke (whose consumption does not correlate well with the growth in obesity). It should also be noted that the whole country is not under 40 - it does matter what you eat as well once your on the downhill side of your life.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3081766/pdf/rspb20101890 .p df
 
2013-08-23 09:45:19 AM

Magorn: EvilEgg: anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.

But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me.  How could such a learned group be wrong?

/I sound fat, because I am.

Precisely. We have been repeatedly assured by the FarkMD's that loosing weight is very simple, you just need to decrease your calories and increase your exercise.  There are NO OTHER FACTORS. NONE. EVER. So if you are fat it is simply because you lack their Superior Willpower and self control.

I sound fat because I was 150lbs ago, and know from personal experience just what utter hogwash that is.


So what sorcery did you use to lose all that weight if it wasn't diet and exercise?
 
2013-08-23 09:45:59 AM
It's been a couple days since we had this thread.

I've forgotten the list of conditions causing people to gain weight while running a calorie deficit, so I'm looking forward to that again.

/ 195 -> 165 since a year ago.
// Blood pressure went from 160/90 -> 118/78
/// 26 minutes
 
2013-08-23 09:48:23 AM
Googling stuff that makes you fat gives you... (Fark  snips this list about 1/3 the way through)your commute
the internet
using your phone before bed
not smoking weed
water
healthy food
microbes
Game of Thrones
Your house
Your desktop
Your kitchen
Your Boyfriend
Your car
Your partner
Sushi
Imperial warships made from sushia
the War on Obesity
Sleep
Stress
The state you live in
America
Low Fat foods
Coffee
Soda
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Facebook (mentioned most - more than gluten, more than sugar, more than anything)
Your Job
Big Food
The 21st century
Your Gym Membership
Your Salad
Training in the Fat Burning zone
Rice cakes
your computer
skipping meals
eating too fast
Eating the chips at mexican restraunts
TV
Large plates
White bread
Big bites
Fat friends
eating after midnight
Fruity beverages
emotions
Eating out
Diet soda
Instagram
yeast overgrowth
Putting pictures of food on Pinterest
The Paleo Diet
Sitting down
splenda
Gut Bacteria
breakfast
corn
Light
Your medicine
Running
your phone
skinny friends
Cardio workouts
Pasta
wheat
Hard work
Inflamation
your shampoo
Marriage
secret ingredients
Your personality
Food Porn
Spandex
your commute
Air Pollution
2012
Skim milk
Carbs
the economy
orange juice
smoking weed
Your handbag
Your childhood
Being busy
Fructose Fallout
Starbucks
your neighborhood
online shopping
social media
the food pyramid
retirement
whole foods
morning time
cleaning your house
Air
Netflix
yogurt
your city planner
your brain
$1 hamburgers
lotion
vegetable oil
MSG
Hispanic ancestery
 
2013-08-23 09:48:40 AM

sigdiamond2000: Magorn: EvilEgg: anyone struggling with their weight that there may be more to shedding surplus pounds than simply cutting back on calories and putting in a few extra treadmill sessions.

But this is completely counter to what the Fark scienticians tell me.  How could such a learned group be wrong?

/I sound fat, because I am.

Precisely. We have been repeatedly assured by the FarkMD's that loosing weight is very simple, you just need to decrease your calories and increase your exercise.  There are NO OTHER FACTORS. NONE. EVER. So if you are fat it is simply because you lack their Superior Willpower and self control.

I sound fat because I was 150lbs ago, and know from personal experience just what utter hogwash that is.

So what sorcery did you use to lose all that weight if it wasn't diet and exercise?


hehe. someone I once knew lost weight when they gave up pasta/bread etc and then claimed wheat intolerance had made them fat. YOU FARKING IDIOT WHEAT IS PURE CARBS!
 
2013-08-23 09:51:09 AM

Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out


It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.
 
2013-08-23 09:54:19 AM

Surpheon: Control group lab micehave gotten fatter in the last 30 years, along with all manner of animals.


Yeah, that's some weird shiat. Domestic dogs and cats are getting fatter, but you could  almost explain that away with arguments that fat owners eating fatty foods are giving them fatty table scraps, Fatty McFatfat... but lab mice?
There was a Slashdot article about this a few days ago, and someone pointed out that (a) cat food frequently contains up to 30% carbs, and (b) cats can't even taste sugar, let alone digest it.
 
2013-08-23 09:55:16 AM

Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

it makes me lol when my friends embark on complicated explanations about eating protein and carbs together between 7 and 8 pm, or some secret thing in pineapples. they just don't want to face it. they overeat.


Yes, we all know that, it doesn't tell us anything interesting.

The interesting question: WHY do they overeat?

If it's just a moral failing of low self-control, what is it that makes it difficult for them? Porkitude doesn't correlate particularly well with low self-control in other areas (holding down jobs, savings, the 'marshmallow experiment', etc.), so why does it manifest in one area?

Why are people fatter today than last generation? If it's just because this generation is more worthless as human beings, why wasn't that the case when Romans were making that complaint about their kids?

/I sound fat
//calorie counting, dropping pounds pretty quickly, but it's about as hard as if all of Fark had to quit drinking
///personal pet theory to explain the increase: some combination of more "superstimulus" food, and some hormone analog or other in the environment
 
2013-08-23 09:58:52 AM

Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.


Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."


That article about fat lab rats that makes an appearance in every one of these threads doesn't really suggest anything all that radical either. It's an interesting phenomenon to be sure, but it doesn't mean that society is, by and large, fatter because of some overarching environmental factor. There are environmental factors that may contribute to it, but it's not a cause.

Are there factors outside of intake/outtake that affect obesity? Probably.

Can the vast, vast majority of it be controlled with diet and exercise? Probably.
 
2013-08-23 10:00:19 AM

Pangea: I've forgotten the list of conditions causing people to gain weight while running a calorie deficit, so I'm looking forward to that again.


The simple explanation: a lot of people who think they're running a calorie deficit, aren't.

That's because nobody understands that calorie counts on food (from e.g. nutrition labels) are pretty accurate, but calorie counts for exercises (e.g. 30 min of 3.5mph walking for a 300-pounder "burns 265 calories") are wild-ass guesses.

Pretty much the only way to actually know how many calories you burn is to measure your food intake, measure your fat loss (by weighing in often and smoothing with a running average), and compare.

THAT is the most helpful response for most people, not "ha ha thermodynamics".
 
2013-08-23 10:02:29 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: Pangea: I've forgotten the list of conditions causing people to gain weight while running a calorie deficit, so I'm looking forward to that again.

The simple explanation: a lot of people who think they're running a calorie deficit, aren't.

That's because nobody understands that calorie counts on food (from e.g. nutrition labels) are pretty accurate, but calorie counts for exercises (e.g. 30 min of 3.5mph walking for a 300-pounder "burns 265 calories") are wild-ass guesses.

Pretty much the only way to actually know how many calories you burn is to measure your food intake, measure your fat loss (by weighing in often and smoothing with a running average), and compare.

THAT is the most helpful response for most people, not "ha ha thermodynamics".


Actually food calorie counts are inaccurate as to how usable the calories are.  That is 100 calories of sugar in a food with both soluble and insoluble fiber will yield less caloric intake that 100 calories of sugar without the fiber.
 
2013-08-23 10:03:07 AM

Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.


it's also a Yahoo news article that identifies possible causes of obesity, so I can live with being at odds with it
 
2013-08-23 10:04:18 AM

AngryDragon: Sugar.

That is all.


Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.
 
2013-08-23 10:05:21 AM

sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."


No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."
 
2013-08-23 10:08:07 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

it makes me lol when my friends embark on complicated explanations about eating protein and carbs together between 7 and 8 pm, or some secret thing in pineapples. they just don't want to face it. they overeat.

Yes, we all know that, it doesn't tell us anything interesting.

The interesting question: WHY do they overeat?

If it's just a moral failing of low self-control, what is it that makes it difficult for them? Porkitude doesn't correlate particularly well with low self-control in other areas (holding down jobs, savings, the 'marshmallow experiment', etc.), so why does it manifest in one area?

Why are people fatter today than last generation? If it's just because this generation is more worthless as human beings, why wasn't that the case when Romans were making that complaint about their kids?

/I sound fat
//calorie counting, dropping pounds pretty quickly, but it's about as hard as if all of Fark had to quit drinking
///personal pet theory to explain the increase: some combination of more "superstimulus" food, and some hormone analog or other in the environment


among people I know, who are not fat fat (im far to shallow to hang out with really unattractive people), it's actually more that they are really, really sedentary, and don't realise how much so. they literally do no exercise, and never walk anywhere, so their requirements are very low

as such, you've only got to get greedy and eat three sandwiches for a lunch a couple of times a week and you will slowly, slowly gain weight... without feeling like they overeat to any extent
 
2013-08-23 10:09:50 AM

Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."

No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."


as someone else has already said... 'eat less move more' would work IF people did it
 
2013-08-23 10:10:26 AM

Lady J: Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."

No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."

as someone else has already said... 'eat less move more' would work IF people did it


I bet you're an advocate for abstinence-only sex education, too.
 
2013-08-23 10:10:40 AM

bmongar: Actually food calorie counts are inaccurate as to how usable the calories are.  That is 100 calories of sugar in a food with both soluble and insoluble fiber will yield less caloric intake that 100 calories of sugar without the fiber


I have to disagree with this.  100 calories of sugar is just that, 100 calories of sugar.  It takes the same amount of "work" to burn that much potential energy.  The advantage of fiber is that it slows the rate of absorption for those 100 calories.  So instead of your body getting the whole thing pumped into your bloodstream at once, it is metabolized more slowly.

This is an advantage because of how the body produces insulin and what it does.  Sudden blood sugar spikes cause large insulin releases.  This will ultimately result in excess sugar being stored as fat.  This is also why you get a "sugar crash".  Once you have burned what you can use and it has stored everything away, the excess insulin causes your blood sugar to drop.  Then you have to eat to feel better again.  It's a vicious cycle.

That's why sugar is so terrible for you.  Your body can only use so much, the rest is stored.
 
2013-08-23 10:11:04 AM

Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."

No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."


As I said above, it hasn't helped because no one is actually doing it. There have been marginal gains in the amount of exercise people are getting in the last decade, but it's still woefully inadequate, and people are still eating like sh*t.
 
2013-08-23 10:12:26 AM

Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...


BZZZT!

totally wrong.   sorry

Me working out Areobically, setting gym records on the computerized rowing machine, 1/hr a day 7 days a week/52 weeks a year for 3 years?  =334-331 lbs
Me working out 3 days a week =370 lbs
ME dropping my carbs to 40gm a day and working out once a week when I could? 260 lbs six months later
me eating like shiat for ten years then going low carb again with zero gym time? 235 and counting in 3 months
 
2013-08-23 10:13:07 AM
May 2012 I started a juice fast that made it possible to lose 100 pounds over a few months with zero exercise other than running my summer seasonal business 11 hours a day, 7 days a week from behind a desk.

In a thread a Farker told me I'd gain it all back because I only starved myself, cheated, and didn't "do it right".  To that Farker:  FARK YOU!  I'm still at my goal weight, and I'm up to hiking 7 miles on mountains.
It really took bringing my intake to the level of a baby resetting my palet, my brain, and my innards to make a change in how I wanted food, needed food, and desired it.
 
2013-08-23 10:14:53 AM

Surpheon: Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...

Complex problems often have simple, incorrect answers. Yours would be one.  Control group lab micehave gotten fatter in the last 30 years, along with all manner of animals. That strongly suggests there is an environmental cause at play beyond Twinkies and Coke (whose consumption does not correlate well with the growth in obesity). It should also be noted that the whole country is not under 40 - it does matter what you eat as well once your on the downhill side of your life.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3081766/pdf/rspb20101890 .p df


I read 'Control group lab mice' and quit reading your comment.  I'm basing my opinion on myself...I drink beer, and eat what I want...I get up off of my ass and workout...weight is not an issue...keep your lab rats...they're not human...
 
2013-08-23 10:14:54 AM

Theaetetus: Lady J: Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."

No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."

as someone else has already said... 'eat less move more' would work IF people did it

I bet you're an advocate for abstinence-only sex education, too.


Laughter OL. OK, I think we're done here.

Good luck, dude.
 
2013-08-23 10:19:07 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: The simple explanation: a lot of people who think they're running a calorie deficit, aren't.


bmongar: Actually food calorie counts are inaccurate as to how usable the calories are.  That is 100 calories of sugar in a food with both soluble and insoluble fiber will yield less caloric intake that 100 calories of sugar without the fiber.


Greatest impact in my life was gradually making a lifestyle change to my diet. It was hard at first but over time I started craving that diet.  I used the scale as a minimal guide, but building lean muscle caused me to lose weight without having to starve myself.

Maybe I really am special and uniquely more fortunate than most people, but I honestly believe if it worked for me it can work for anyone. Just remember the exercise is between you and the weights, not between you and all the people you think are judging you at the gym. fark haters.
 
2013-08-23 10:23:00 AM

Magorn: Daffydil: Unless you have a medical problem, exercise is the answer to fat...doesn't matter what you eat, or drink as long as you get up off of your ass...

BZZZT!

totally wrong. sorry

Me working out Areobically, setting gym records on the computerized rowing machine, 1/hr a day 7 days a week/52 weeks a year for 3 years? =334-331 lbs
Me working out 3 days a week =370 lbs
ME dropping my carbs to 40gm a day and working out once a week when I could? 260 lbs six months later
me eating like shiat for ten years then going low carb again with zero gym time? 235 and counting in 3 months


You likely have a medical problem, some kind of weird metabolic imbalance. I don't know.

What I do know is that 98% of people who worked out like you described and ate a sensible diet would lose weight. I'm not a doctor, but I don't think that's unrealistic. Any doctors/nutritionists in this thread want to prove me wrong, have at it, and I'll admit I'm a fool.

No one who is arguing honestly would claim that there aren't very real medical issues that cause people to be obese. The argument, though, is that these are exceedingly rare.
 
2013-08-23 10:23:40 AM
I was fat for most of my life. I chalked it up to "genetics".

Then one day I had enough and decided to do something about it: reasonable diet (healthy, non-processed food in moderate quantities) and intense regular intense exercise. It certainly wasn't easy, but I lost 130 pounds in two years (and have kept it off).

And then there's my sister: same boat as me, but truly and firmly believes that "diet and exercise don't work" (she tried the "calories don't count after 8 pm" diet & the "*going* to the gym is the same as actually working out exercise plan" for three weeks and for some reason didn't drop the pounds like she expected).
 
2013-08-23 10:25:58 AM

Theaetetus: No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."


Most people are shiat at dieting and exercising.
 
2013-08-23 10:26:34 AM

Theaetetus: sigdiamond2000: Theaetetus: Lady J: tfa is going to annoy me too much to read

aside from a handful of people with rare conditions, the single cause of obesity is:
calories in > calories out

It's a good thing you were too annoyed to read the article, because it specifically called out people like you.

Not really:

"At the end of the day, we still have the law of energy balance to contend with," he said. "If you ingest more than you expend you are going to gain weight, period."

No, really. Next paragraph:
"We've focused almost all our resources on the so-called 'Big Two' of diet and exercise for more than 50 years and it hasn't helped," he said. "We will have to move beyond 'eat less and move more' if we want to make progress."


I think you're reading what you want to read out of that. The question isn't "Does exercise and lowered calorie consumption make people lose weight?" because it clearly does and no one in the article disagrees with that. The question is how do they treat it? Because just telling people to eat less and move more doesn't work.

What's happening under the layer of bad science reporting is that some researchers want to treat obesity like a disease because they are doctors and disease treatment is their thing. But it really is more about psychology and behavior modification which you can't do with a pill (but can somewhat do with surgery).

Also, before the low carbers come out in force to ruin this thread with their psuedo-science: Low carb diets help people lose weight by lowering their calorie consumption. Ketosis doesn't effect weight loss. People improve their blood sugar by losing weight even when they do it on a high carb low fat diet. It's wonderful you found a diet that works for you but you guys are becoming the diet equivalent of Randian gold bugs.
 
2013-08-23 10:26:57 AM

sigdiamond2000: Can the vast, vast majority of it be controlled with diet and exercise? Probably.


Of course. The interesting question is how to make that less of an uphill battle. If there's a ghrelin analogue around in the environment, it's going to make dieting a lot harder, and so getting rid of that would go a long way.
 
2013-08-23 10:30:53 AM
I can see it now. An article would read something like this:

"The two sisters who were in a camping party in the mountains got separated from the group.  Within two days, a full search party was organized via foot, air and vehicles.  When all hope was almost diminished, the two sisters were found after 23 days.  They survived by drinking water from streams butsaid they had nothing to eat but a granola bar.  Courtney lost a total of 23 pounds, but her sister Bernice (since she has one or more of the 84 obesity diseases) actually gained 15 pounds."
 
2013-08-23 10:31:06 AM
I know there are some people out there who have a medical condition and that's why they can't lose weight.  Then there are the three obese people in front of me as I walked back from lunch yesterday who made a bee line into the ice cream shop.  If you're overweight and you care to change that fact, you might want to make changes.  Even if you have a medical condition, eating crap is only going to make things worse.
 
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