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(SFGate)   Nevada to face lawsuit for shipping mentally ill patients back to California. Officials deny wrongdoing, say they just put them on a Greyhound going from Las Vegas to Los Angeles and they all seemed to blend right in   (sfgate.com) divider line 36
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2013-08-23 08:42:43 AM
This is why I'm afraid of bus terminals
 
2013-08-23 08:45:59 AM
How can you tell if a Las Vegas resident is originally from California? Watch how they drive. If they drive like crap, then they're from California.
 
2013-08-23 08:46:19 AM
We should start doing the same in Texas.  That would clean Austin up nicely and get rid of these horrid condos all these California's are trying to build everywhere.
 
2013-08-23 08:53:11 AM
What about other states reimbursing Nevada when said states failed to maintain proper healthcare for their patients and turned a blind-eye and just let them walk away and leave to Vegas? Because after all, letting Nevada take care of their patients was cheaper on their budgets.
 
2013-08-23 08:53:25 AM
Shouldn't Nevada be sued under cruel and unusual punishment laws for making people take the bus?

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2013-08-23 08:54:34 AM
You hear some interesting conversations on a bus.
Granted, some of them are taking place between one person.
But interesting, nonetheless.
 
2013-08-23 08:55:01 AM
There's always AMTRACK.
 
2013-08-23 09:04:27 AM

Creoena: Shouldn't Nevada be sued under cruel and unusual punishment laws for making people take the bus?


Round trip from new orleans to vegas. 44 hours each way.

/long uncool story, bro
 
2013-08-23 09:08:52 AM
We have a city in our state that ships their homeless to us because we have a bigger budget and more programs to support them. I thought it was a pretty common practice.
 
2013-08-23 09:11:49 AM
Why shouldn't they have the right of return?
 
2013-08-23 09:20:03 AM
Why not put time in jail?
 
2013-08-23 09:23:04 AM
Not so much on the "back" to California, from the article....
 
2013-08-23 09:23:12 AM
Heh. This has been called  ""Greyhound Therapy" for more than 20 yrs. Nevada is fairly new to game. Seems to me it was invented by some genius in a southern state.
It was usually applied on the mentally ill, troublesome homeless.
A $50 bus fare to the end of line and a bag lunch was a simple solution for all parties.
/not saying its right
// just sayin
 
2013-08-23 09:23:35 AM
"Back to" California implies that they were originally from there; TFA says nothing of the sort.

/bad subby
 
2013-08-23 09:28:06 AM

Carousel Beast: "Back to" California implies that they were originally from there; TFA says nothing of the sort.

/bad subby


They're going back to Cali?  Man, I don't think so.
 
2013-08-23 09:39:20 AM
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2013-08-23 09:39:34 AM
San Francisco used to do an excellent job of shipping their homeless to Nevada and other parts of the state.
 
2013-08-23 10:03:45 AM
Get's it.

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2013-08-23 10:06:26 AM
So how's the California lawsuit against Mexico for shipping millions coming along?
 
2013-08-23 10:14:29 AM
Hospitals have been doing this for a while in the U.S.

Sick people hurt profit.
 
2013-08-23 10:23:24 AM
Speaking as an ER nurse in Reno (northern nevada), we get homeless people new to the area every day, who just got off a bus from god knows where and were told to come straight to the hospital. It seems that everyone dumps.

I have taken care of the man mentioned at the bottom of the article. At least I assume it is the same man, because that list of symptoms is a very sad and unusual combination. I worked my ass off getting him set up with a group home back where he lived (Cali), only to see him show back up at our door two weeks later. Paying for tactile translators (who put their hands over the patient's as the patient is signing) is incredibly expensive, to the magnitude of thousands of dollars a day. No one wants to pay for it, especially not a group home that cannot afford it or a government that only pays a fraction of a fraction of that cost. I expect to see him back in my ER in about a month or two, when the home he is in can't take that cost anymore, then stuffs him on a redeye bus back to Reno.

If anyone has a solution for dealing with the non-compliant mentally ill or the unrepentant homeless (a lot of overlap in those two groups), I am all ears. Personally I think we should reinstitute long term psych facilities, be able to commit people. As it is, someone with serious mental problems gets maybe two days in a state run facility before they are kicked to the street. In those two days, they might speak to a doctor for maybe thirty seconds, a psych nurse fifteen minutes, and crazy people playing Jenga the rest of the time.
 
2013-08-23 10:34:29 AM

Nhojwolfe: We should start doing the same in Texas.  That would clean Austin up nicely and get rid of these horrid condos all these California's are trying to build everywhere.


Do you the estimate of active serial killers around your neck of the woods? Perhaps if you removed your buffer of prostitutes and the homeless - you'd have know.
 
2013-08-23 10:35:44 AM

Creoena: Shouldn't Nevada be sued under cruel and unusual punishment laws for making people take the bus?


This!!
 
2013-08-23 10:40:07 AM
TDR TB is cropping up in prisons and along large homeless areas like Skid Row.

This will inevitably bite everyone in the ass.
 
2013-08-23 10:47:21 AM
San Francisco investigators have also identified at least one patient, who is deaf, blind and largely mute, who was bused to San Francisco twice from different hospitals in the Reno area, which Herrera said suggested patient dumping was not unique to Rawson-Neal in Las Vegas.

How did he get back to Reno, I wonder?
 
2013-08-23 11:01:05 AM

Dumski: Heh. This has been called  ""Greyhound Therapy" for more than 20 yrs. Nevada is fairly new to game. Seems to me it was invented by some genius in a southern state.
It was usually applied on the mentally ill, troublesome homeless.
A $50 bus fare to the end of line and a bag lunch was a simple solution for all parties.
/not saying its right
// just sayin


Absolutely happens. A nonprofit I worked for in Bangor Maine had the same issue. Monthly calls to pick someone up at the bus station to get them enrolled in city care programs that came from other states with $25,a one way bus ticket and lunch.
 
2013-08-23 11:23:22 AM

Dumski: Heh. This has been called  ""Greyhound Therapy" for more than 20 yrs. Nevada is fairly new to game. Seems to me it was invented by some genius in a southern state.
It was usually applied on the mentally ill, troublesome homeless.
A $50 bus fare to the end of line and a bag lunch was a simple solution for all parties.
/not saying its right
// just sayin


Probably more than 20. There's an episode of Adam-12 featuring the practice from 1968.
 
2013-08-23 11:38:23 AM

Man_Without_A_Hat: Speaking as an ER nurse in Reno (northern nevada), we get homeless people new to the area every day, who just got off a bus from god knows where and were told to come straight to the hospital. It seems that everyone dumps.

I have taken care of the man mentioned at the bottom of the article. At least I assume it is the same man, because that list of symptoms is a very sad and unusual combination. I worked my ass off getting him set up with a group home back where he lived (Cali), only to see him show back up at our door two weeks later. Paying for tactile translators (who put their hands over the patient's as the patient is signing) is incredibly expensive, to the magnitude of thousands of dollars a day. No one wants to pay for it, especially not a group home that cannot afford it or a government that only pays a fraction of a fraction of that cost. I expect to see him back in my ER in about a month or two, when the home he is in can't take that cost anymore, then stuffs him on a redeye bus back to Reno.

If anyone has a solution for dealing with the non-compliant mentally ill or the unrepentant homeless (a lot of overlap in those two groups), I am all ears. Personally I think we should reinstitute long term psych facilities, be able to commit people. As it is, someone with serious mental problems gets maybe two days in a state run facility before they are kicked to the street. In those two days, they might speak to a doctor for maybe thirty seconds, a psych nurse fifteen minutes, and crazy people playing Jenga the rest of the time.


Lethal injection. If we're going to treat them like animals anyways, why not go all the way? Their blood is already on our hands, it's just a matter of how long we wait to cash the check.
 
2013-08-23 11:46:21 AM
Took a Trailways once to Las Vegas to meet a pal from L.A. who was selling me a car and I will  never ever do that again. Everyone on the bus was  that day released from Federal prison. Made for an interesting ride. Except for that poor old couple from Minnesota who were on a a "Travel As Much As You Like" 90 day pass and modern bus travel wasn't what they were expecting.
 
2013-08-23 12:05:10 PM
My single 55 year old mother has traveled twice on greyhound. Never again.

The bus driver was nearly stabbed the first time and crashed the bus the second time (wouldn't stop driving until someone started seizing).

/I pushed for Amtrak both times (she can't fly because she has untreated high blood pressure). I offered to cover the extra costs.
 
2013-08-23 12:19:28 PM

Man_Without_A_Hat: Speaking as an ER nurse in Reno (northern nevada), we get homeless people new to the area every day, who just got off a bus from god knows where and were told to come straight to the hospital. It seems that everyone dumps.

I have taken care of the man mentioned at the bottom of the article. At least I assume it is the same man, because that list of symptoms is a very sad and unusual combination. I worked my ass off getting him set up with a group home back where he lived (Cali), only to see him show back up at our door two weeks later. Paying for tactile translators (who put their hands over the patient's as the patient is signing) is incredibly expensive, to the magnitude of thousands of dollars a day. No one wants to pay for it, especially not a group home that cannot afford it or a government that only pays a fraction of a fraction of that cost. I expect to see him back in my ER in about a month or two, when the home he is in can't take that cost anymore, then stuffs him on a redeye bus back to Reno.

If anyone has a solution for dealing with the non-compliant mentally ill or the unrepentant homeless (a lot of overlap in those two groups), I am all ears. Personally I think we should reinstitute long term psych facilities, be able to commit people. As it is, someone with serious mental problems gets maybe two days in a state run facility before they are kicked to the street. In those two days, they might speak to a doctor for maybe thirty seconds, a psych nurse fifteen minutes, and crazy people playing Jenga the rest of the time.


A big part of the blame goes to SCOTUS.  There was an article in the New York Times back in the spring, I think, about states being ordered to shut down long-term psych facilities and eject their patents onto the streets because keeping them against their will is unconstitutional.  Apparently they have the right to be homeless, and the right to be indigent, even if they have no ability to care for themselves.   The focus of the article was on one hospital in Alabama, in particular, where people who have never cared for themselves in their lives were being packed up and sent out into the world to fend for themselves.  But it's apparently happening nationwide.
 
2013-08-23 01:39:48 PM
I've seen trooouble
All my daaaays
I'm goin' back
To Caaaaalifornia
Place where I
Was paartly raaaised

/Or not, in this case
 
2013-08-23 01:52:30 PM
Cruel and Unusual Punishment doesn't apply unless it's the state doing it in handing down a sentence, or if the person is in state custody.

In these cases, criminal negligence would be the most likely avenue to justice.
 
2013-08-23 02:50:28 PM

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2013-08-23 05:41:46 PM

reaperducer: Man_Without_A_Hat: Speaking as an ER nurse in Reno (northern nevada), we get homeless people new to the area every day, who just got off a bus from god knows where and were told to come straight to the hospital. It seems that everyone dumps.

I have taken care of the man mentioned at the bottom of the article. At least I assume it is the same man, because that list of symptoms is a very sad and unusual combination. I worked my ass off getting him set up with a group home back where he lived (Cali), only to see him show back up at our door two weeks later. Paying for tactile translators (who put their hands over the patient's as the patient is signing) is incredibly expensive, to the magnitude of thousands of dollars a day. No one wants to pay for it, especially not a group home that cannot afford it or a government that only pays a fraction of a fraction of that cost. I expect to see him back in my ER in about a month or two, when the home he is in can't take that cost anymore, then stuffs him on a redeye bus back to Reno.

If anyone has a solution for dealing with the non-compliant mentally ill or the unrepentant homeless (a lot of overlap in those two groups), I am all ears. Personally I think we should reinstitute long term psych facilities, be able to commit people. As it is, someone with serious mental problems gets maybe two days in a state run facility before they are kicked to the street. In those two days, they might speak to a doctor for maybe thirty seconds, a psych nurse fifteen minutes, and crazy people playing Jenga the rest of the time.

A big part of the blame goes to SCOTUS.  There was an article in the New York Times back in the spring, I think, about states being ordered to shut down long-term psych facilities and eject their patents onto the streets because keeping them against their will is unconstitutional.  Apparently they have the right to be homeless, and the right to be indigent, even if they have no ability to care for themselves.   The fo ...


I'm guessing a bigger part of the blame is budget cuts. When you don't want to cut anything else (or can't), you cut the crazy people budget. Politicians don't care if hospital personnel have to deal with the consequences.
 
2013-08-24 01:23:05 PM
You must be crazy to go to Vegas....
 
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