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(Washington Post)   Jennifer Rubin writes a well thought out and articulate list deconstructing President Obama's financial aid proposal. Oh who am I kidding, it's Jennifer Rubin   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 110
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2013-08-23 07:10:33 AM  
What the hell is a Jennifer Rubin?

Yes, price gouging by the rich at the expense of regular people is going to get very very bad.
fark those assholes.
 
2013-08-23 07:25:09 AM  

cretinbob: What the hell is a Jennifer Rubin?

Yes, price gouging by the rich at the expense of regular people is going to get very very bad.
fark those assholes.


The former Ombudsman for the Post offered Bezos one suggestion after he bought the paper: fire Rubin.
 
2013-08-23 07:31:22 AM  

CheatCommando: The former Ombudsman for the Post offered Bezos one suggestion after he bought the paper: fire Rubin.


Actually delivered a number of suggestions. That was one of them.
 
2013-08-23 07:37:06 AM  

cretinbob: What the hell is a Jennifer Rubin?

Yes, price gouging by the rich at the expense of regular people is going to get very very bad.
fark those assholes.


A unbiased, fair & balanced cub reporter on the politics beat whose articles occasionally end in the phrase "I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."
 
2013-08-23 07:37:17 AM  
If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.
 
2013-08-23 07:38:47 AM  
I like Jennifer Rubin. Her moronic ramblings make everyone else's ramblings seem less stupid.
 
2013-08-23 07:38:52 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-23 07:42:49 AM  
She's like a lobotomized Judith Miller.
 
2013-08-23 07:42:59 AM  
Does she not capitalize the word President because she is stupid, has no editor or because the President happens to be a schwarze?
 
2013-08-23 07:45:20 AM  
1. The problem of cost-gouging by universities is made worse not better by further federal subsidization.

I think the idea is to lessen federal aid if there is "cost gouging". Does she actually believe that every institution would get more dollars?

2. ...In a statement, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) pointed out: "The U.S. did not create the best higher education system in the world by using standards set by Washington bureaucrats. There are many things we can do to make higher education more affordable and available that do not involve massive increases in the federal government's role in our nation's higher education system."

I saw no mention of any standards being set.

3. The federal government obviously can't implement Obamacare, so can we expect Obama-ed to be any better?

Yes, obviously. Why does January 1, 2014 come to mind?

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college.

No, you assume that he assumes that. No mention of it in the WaPo article you linked.

5. It's a purely political play to beef up his sagging support from young voters instead of address their real concerns - jobs and generational wealth transfer from young to old.

Because the current state of student debt is perfect, and no one is complaining.

6. He refuses to treat universities like oil companies. The latter he repeatedly accuses and investigates for price increases (never finding evidence of improper conduct). But he refuses to do the same when it comes to universities sitting on billions in endowments.

I think that's the point of what he is proposing, to provided incentive to keep prices down. Also, when did he investigate oil companies for price increases? Must have missed that.

7. It is another example of failing to consult those affected by his boondoggles and line up support, nor does it stem from any popular demand for federal regulation of universities.

Yes, I'm sure he consulted absolutely no one. And again, what regulation of universities.

8. It isn't clear  or that there is an appropriate standard to apply. ("'This is extraordinarily complicated stuff, and it's not clear we have the complete data or accurate data,' said Molly Corbett Broad, the president of the American Council on Education, which represents colleges and universities in Washington.)

9. Rather than focusing on the money going out to students, universities should be focusing on the return on investment their education provides students with various majors.

Wait, universities focus on the money going out to students, lol.

10. Like universal preschool education this would be another outlay and add to bureaucracy with no explanation for what it will cost.

Federal dollars already go out to these institutions, it appears which gets how much is what he wants to accomplish.


Jennifer Rubin, EABOD you disingenuous hack.
 
2013-08-23 07:46:02 AM  
Jesus, I know many Farkers who make better arguments, for free.
 
2013-08-23 07:49:22 AM  

cretinbob: What the hell is a Jennifer Rubin?



It's a hot sandwich of corned beef, Swiss cheese, with Russian or Thousand Island dressing, sauerkraut, and distilled conservative tears.
 
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2013-08-23 07:52:08 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.


If a dirty lieburil cured cancer tomorrow, someone on the right would biatch that doctors are being put out of business.  This is the very essence of rabid-right failure.
 
2013-08-23 07:52:45 AM  

Apik0r0s: Does she not capitalize the word President because she is stupid, has no editor or because the President happens to be a schwarze?


I suspect it's sort of a pie-chart kind of situation.
 
2013-08-23 07:52:50 AM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x946]


Bumper crop of dicks this year.

Where the hell is that?
 
2013-08-23 07:54:42 AM  
I keep hoping the actress Jennifer Rubin sues her for defamation of character.
 
2013-08-23 07:58:01 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.


Whoops, looks like reality disagrees again!
 
2013-08-23 08:00:04 AM  

Outrageous Muff: I like Jennifer Rubin. Her moronic ramblings make everyone else's ramblings seem less stupid.


That's not a good thing.
 
2013-08-23 08:00:25 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Whoops, looks like reality disagrees again!


Generally, what kind of philosophy is "if you do something, some people might exploit it. This is your problem, though, so don't do the first thing."

WTF how about deal with the uncouth sumbiatches that would exploit people?
 
2013-08-23 08:01:53 AM  

LasersHurt: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Whoops, looks like reality disagrees again!

Generally, what kind of philosophy is "if you do something, some people might exploit it. This is your problem, though, so don't do the first thing."

WTF how about deal with the uncouth sumbiatches that would exploit people?


On average, the uncouth sumbiatches exploit government programs a lot less than they do private. I think with health insurance it's especially apparent.
 
2013-08-23 08:03:29 AM  

CarnySaur: I keep hoping the actress Jennifer Rubin sues her for defamation of character.


Make it a class action suit, on behalf of humanity.
 
2013-08-23 08:03:29 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: LasersHurt: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Whoops, looks like reality disagrees again!

Generally, what kind of philosophy is "if you do something, some people might exploit it. This is your problem, though, so don't do the first thing."

WTF how about deal with the uncouth sumbiatches that would exploit people?

On average, the uncouth sumbiatches exploit government programs a lot less than they do private. I think with health insurance it's especially apparent.


Surely, but my point being that we could enforce penalties on the Private abuses too, if we so chose. Yet some seem to think that's just off the table.
 
2013-08-23 08:07:37 AM  

LasersHurt: cameroncrazy1984: LasersHurt: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Whoops, looks like reality disagrees again!

Generally, what kind of philosophy is "if you do something, some people might exploit it. This is your problem, though, so don't do the first thing."

WTF how about deal with the uncouth sumbiatches that would exploit people?

On average, the uncouth sumbiatches exploit government programs a lot less than they do private. I think with health insurance it's especially apparent.

Surely, but my point being that we could enforce penalties on the Private abuses too, if we so chose. Yet some seem to think that's just off the table.


Well, you wouldn't want to over-regulate the Job Creators, dontcha know. They tend to get their feelings hurt easily.
 
2013-08-23 08:08:01 AM  

PreMortem: Also, when did he investigate oil companies for price increases? Must have missed that.


I'm assuming she meant threatening to investigate manipulation the oil futures market, a move both Bush and Obama threatened every time gas prices got over $4.00 a gallon (at which point gas prices dropped like a stone when each did it; funny, that.)
 
2013-08-23 08:08:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x946]

Bumper crop of dicks this year.

Where the hell is that?


a good start
 
2013-08-23 08:09:08 AM  
Number four from the article actually isn't terrible:

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college. In fact many who go aren't prepared, and we have a shortage of technically trained workers. Any federal effort aimed at boosting university numbers without regard to the quality of students is misplaced.

Of course, we have no idea how to fix that either.
 
2013-08-23 08:12:33 AM  

catpuncher: Number four from the article actually isn't terrible:

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college. In fact many who go aren't prepared, and we have a shortage of technically trained workers. Any federal effort aimed at boosting university numbers without regard to the quality of students is misplaced.

Of course, we have no idea how to fix that either.


I think his overall push includes, if I'm not mistaken, specific provisions to help steer kids to good technical schools for trained work.
 
2013-08-23 08:14:09 AM  
He wants people to go to college? What a snob. Right Frothy?
 
2013-08-23 08:15:16 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.


Then why do republicans want to give people vouchers for private school?
 
2013-08-23 08:16:19 AM  
Is she hawt?
We need to see the bikini shot.
 
2013-08-23 08:16:54 AM  
We could lower tuition at every school in the nation by $2,775 per semester by eliminating Pell grants.  not much but it would be a start.
 
2013-08-23 08:17:51 AM  
As someone here who actually reads the articles before leaving a comment, she makes good points.  In short, it's another vote-buying scheme (with borrowed money) that won't change anything or make any difference.

But to the doe-eyed believers, it 'sounds' great!
 
2013-08-23 08:18:13 AM  

LasersHurt: catpuncher: Number four from the article actually isn't terrible:

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college. In fact many who go aren't prepared, and we have a shortage of technically trained workers. Any federal effort aimed at boosting university numbers without regard to the quality of students is misplaced.

Of course, we have no idea how to fix that either.

I think his overall push includes, if I'm not mistaken, specific provisions to help steer kids to good technical schools for trained work.


That is correct. I was at the speech yesterday and he mentioned how this program was aimed for technical certificates, 2-year and 4-year degrees.
 
2013-08-23 08:18:27 AM  

Ring of Fire: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Then why do republicans want to give people vouchers for private school?


To drive up private school costs and line the pockets of good, upstanding, God-fearin' white folk with money while providing a safe haven of education from all of those blah people. Duh.
 
2013-08-23 08:18:52 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: We could lower tuition at every school in the nation by $2,775 per semester by eliminating Pell grants.  not much but it would be a start.


lolwut.
 
2013-08-23 08:19:47 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: We could lower tuition at every school in the nation by $2,775 per semester by eliminating Pell grants.  not much but it would be a start.

lolwut.


*circus music*
 
2013-08-23 08:20:06 AM  

Ring of Fire: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Then why do republicans want to give people vouchers for private school?


Simple, to double the price of private schools.
 
2013-08-23 08:21:21 AM  

catpuncher: Number four from the article actually isn't terrible:

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college. In fact many who go aren't prepared, and we have a shortage of technically trained workers. Any federal effort aimed at boosting university numbers without regard to the quality of students is misplaced.

Of course, we have no idea how to fix that either.


Sure we do.  Cut education spending!
 
2013-08-23 08:21:53 AM  
I could make up a better list of Obama bad in the 8 hours it took her to do it.  This is weak work and she had a whole echo chamber to help her with it.
 
2013-08-23 08:24:32 AM  

bmongar: Ring of Fire: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Then why do republicans want to give people vouchers for private school?

Simple, to double the price of private schools.


Nononono, to QUADRUPLE it! NO! TO SEXTUPLE IT! Mwahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha
 
2013-08-23 08:24:57 AM  

PreMortem: 5. It's a purely political play to beef up his sagging support from young voters instead of address their real concerns - jobs and generational wealth transfer from young to old.


Yeah, my problem isn't the $400 a month I dump into KeyBank's coffers, it's the $400 a month I pay to keep seniors alive.

Don't tread on me, Grandma!
 
2013-08-23 08:25:08 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: We could lower tuition at every school in the nation by $2,775 per semester by eliminating Pell grants.  not much but it would be a start.


You are correct that university profits are above marginal.

What you are not correct about is assuming why. The prices of post-secondary education are inflated because there is a surplus of demand - and unnecessary demand, in many disciplines. High prices helps to strangle that demand.

Removing grants is not going to decrease the demand to a level where the price actually drops - only ensure that a wealth gap further widens among the rich and poor, as more poor people find themselves unable to get an education in order to be financially mobile.

You ignorant twat.
 
2013-08-23 08:25:56 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.


This would only occur after a "friend" of the GOP markets a way to make cardboard taste like ground beef, and sells it as an erection cure.
 
2013-08-23 08:26:15 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: LasersHurt: catpuncher: Number four from the article actually isn't terrible:

4.  Obama assumes the problem is too few people going to college. In fact many who go aren't prepared, and we have a shortage of technically trained workers. Any federal effort aimed at boosting university numbers without regard to the quality of students is misplaced.

Of course, we have no idea how to fix that either.

I think his overall push includes, if I'm not mistaken, specific provisions to help steer kids to good technical schools for trained work.

That is correct. I was at the speech yesterday and he mentioned how this program was aimed for technical certificates, 2-year and 4-year degrees.


Which doesn't address quality of student. I'd suggest starting with haircuts. Kids' hair is too damn long.
 
2013-08-23 08:27:01 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: bmongar: Ring of Fire: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

Then why do republicans want to give people vouchers for private school?

Simple, to double the price of private schools.

Nononono, to QUADRUPLE it! NO! TO SEXTUPLE IT! Mwahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha


We can't be having anything to do with sex near our schools. Better octuple it
 
2013-08-23 08:28:51 AM  

bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.


I'm not able to convince myself that's true. What assumptions are you making regarding the distribution of vouchers? It seems you're getting the price translation wrong on the demand curve, and you're completely ignoring the supply curve. Are you some kind of Communist who can't even do simple economics?
 
2013-08-23 08:30:18 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: As someone here who actually reads the articles before leaving a comment, she makes good points.  In short, it's another vote-buying scheme (with borrowed money) that won't change anything or make any difference.

But to the doe-eyed believers, it 'sounds' great!


You may have read it, but you obviously lack comprehension skills, or are a weak troll.
 
2013-08-23 08:31:20 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: bigsteve3OOO: If the government gave a $5 voucher for hamburgers.....a big mac would cost $10 tomorrow.  This is the very essence of liberal policy failure.

I'm not able to convince myself that's true. What assumptions are you making regarding the distribution of vouchers? It seems you're getting the price translation wrong on the demand curve, and you're completely ignoring the supply curve. Are you some kind of Communist who can't even do simple economics?


Republican economics goes like this.  Any money the government spends increases prices then disappears from the economy.  Therefore it harms people trying to buy the products but doesn't produce any profits or money to hire more labor.  It is magic money that just disappears forever.
 
2013-08-23 08:32:52 AM  

Neighborhood Watch: As someone here who actually reads the articles before leaving a comment, she makes good points.  In short, it's another vote-buying scheme (with borrowed money) that won't change anything or make any difference.

But to the doe-eyed believers, it 'sounds' great!


You mean the person who went point by point commenting on Rubin's points didn't read the article? Do tell.

Vote buying for the Democratic Party? Doubtful. The election cycles, even with midterms and such, are too long, and voters skew toward too dumb. If anything, it's to make the Republicans who will oppose it look bad.
 
2013-08-23 08:34:20 AM  
HTG

/I propose this as an alternative to the ubiquitous "Who? post"
//It allows me to indicate that I did not know who the referenced person was without everyone else inferring that I am too stupid to Google.
///Slashies
 
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