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(Orlando Sentinel)   Usually it's the students that give teachers unwanted apples, not the other way around   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 51
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2013-08-23 01:23:40 AM
Was that supposed to be a shot against Mac?

Lucky ass kids if you ask me. What's wrong with carrying around books? It's good exercise.
 
2013-08-23 01:47:18 AM
In before the fanboys
 
2013-08-23 03:35:47 AM
Do these things ever end well? How long until there is another teacher/administrator webcam spying on students scandal.
 
2013-08-23 03:37:29 AM
Apples give unwanted students to teachers?
 
2013-08-23 03:40:08 AM
How you like dem apples?
 
2013-08-23 03:40:59 AM

cambie: Was that supposed to be a shot against Mac?

Lucky ass kids if you ask me. What's wrong with carrying around books? It's good exercise.


no farking shiat. this is awesome
 
2013-08-23 03:42:17 AM
Some unwanted students gave teachers to an apple?
 
2013-08-23 03:49:08 AM
I guess they wanted to make sure the kids didn't play any games at home with their new laptops.
 
2013-08-23 03:49:38 AM
"We won't need to carry around big, old heavy backpacks"

Lazy exaggerating person, this guy right here.
 
2013-08-23 03:51:26 AM
A $1500+ Macbook Air with less functionality than a $400 laptop.

One of my clients was a school that ordered about 50 iPads. Later they tested out the $250 Chromebook and liked it better. There wasn't any more money in the budget...
 
2013-08-23 03:51:39 AM
media.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-08-23 03:53:07 AM
All i got was a non useable Chromebook
 
2013-08-23 03:59:49 AM
Buy the cheapest No-OS laptop you can find and put Linux on it.
 
2013-08-23 04:10:29 AM

CujoQuarrel: Buy the cheapest No-OS laptop you can find and put Linux on it.


This
 
2013-08-23 04:10:32 AM
Students at seven Orange county schools, including Ocoee High, are being issued individual laptops or iPads as part of a digital-technology pilot.

But School Board member Christine Moore acknowledged the district won't be able to expand the program to its 177 other schools without significantly more money.


Congratulations, you just f*cked 177 schools' worth of kids out of a decent education just so a few kids could get fanboy toys. Meanwhile, in the real business world, paper is still very much extremely important, and won't be going away any time soon.
 
2013-08-23 04:17:26 AM

HotWingAgenda: Students at seven Orange county schools, including Ocoee High, are being issued individual laptops or iPads as part of a digital-technology pilot.

But School Board member Christine Moore acknowledged the district won't be able to expand the program to its 177 other schools without significantly more money.

Congratulations, you just f*cked 177 schools' worth of kids out of a decent education just so a few kids could get fanboy toys. Meanwhile, in the real business world, paper is still very much extremely important, and won't be going away any time soon.


As I recall, back in the day Apple and M$ made crazy deals with school districts to get their computers in the classroom, both as an incentive to expand their market share and also for educational purposes. I honestly don't know why Apple ended up losing all that market share. I approve of providing some sort of equipment for less privileged students to use/learn on, but if they're hamstringing the district like that, it's hardly worth it...

Then again, as much as I approve of recycling, you're right - paper is still key.
 
2013-08-23 04:22:19 AM
I question the particular laptop chosen but applaud finally bringing educational capabilities into the 21rst century starting at the ground level.  One ugly side-effect I've seen with digital textbooks is the publishers have started making inroads to subscription based situations where you pay the same price as a paper based textbook but the digital version becomes useless after a single term due to DRM schemes.

Hopefully over time the schools collectively get together and push back on these publishers charging $300 per ebook per student per term, but I'm not holding my breath.

/also, scholastic e-learning aids are I think the worst written software I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with
 
2013-08-23 04:23:41 AM
Thanks for giving me unwanted apples.
www.hotflick.net
And not the other way around.
 
2013-08-23 04:23:54 AM

ladyfortuna: HotWingAgenda: Students at seven Orange county schools, including Ocoee High, are being issued individual laptops or iPads as part of a digital-technology pilot.

But School Board member Christine Moore acknowledged the district won't be able to expand the program to its 177 other schools without significantly more money.

Congratulations, you just f*cked 177 schools' worth of kids out of a decent education just so a few kids could get fanboy toys. Meanwhile, in the real business world, paper is still very much extremely important, and won't be going away any time soon.

As I recall, back in the day Apple and M$ made crazy deals with school districts to get their computers in the classroom, both as an incentive to expand their market share and also for educational purposes. I honestly don't know why Apple ended up losing all that market share. I approve of providing some sort of equipment for less privileged students to use/learn on, but if they're hamstringing the district like that, it's hardly worth it...

Then again, as much as I approve of recycling, you're right - paper is still key.


The schools that I have seen that have Apple laptops that they gave to students and teachers all had the low end MacBooks. Maybe Apple did offer those low end MacBooks, but this district decided on spending the cash to get the top of the line machines.
 
2013-08-23 04:27:58 AM

CujoQuarrel: Buy the cheapest No-OS laptop you can find and put Linux on it.


http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/education-solutions/classmate pc -convertible.html

Intel already makes them, and provides boat loads of educational material to go on them.

For what this school district just spent on mac laptops, they could have given every student a laptop loaded with educational material, not just a handful of "pilot" schools.

Besides, we all know how this ends.  50+% loss/damage rate, with a huge stink at the end of the year if you actually expect the laptops back.  Anyone remember how much fuss they made about the books?  I promise the mac book airs are going to be a much bigger problem.

If you want to digitize the curriculum, I'm all for it.  If you want to replace a pile of text books with a tablet/laptop.  I'm all for that.  If you do it with $1,000 units running an OS with less than 10% market share... you are a jackass.  (and most likely getting kick backs from the supplier)  This is 100% bad management of school funds.
 
2013-08-23 04:35:08 AM
ongbok:

The schools that I have seen that have Apple laptops that they gave to students and teachers all had the low end MacBooks. Maybe Apple did offer those low end MacBooks, but this district decided on spending the cash to get the top of the line machines.

Bleh. Even low end ones are probably 2-3x the cost and same capability of a basic Dell or whatever.

(My Dell survived my falling on it on a snow staircase in January, so... [folks] hold the snide comments for another day)
 
2013-08-23 04:36:52 AM

ladyfortuna: ongbok:

The schools that I have seen that have Apple laptops that they gave to students and teachers all had the low end MacBooks. Maybe Apple did offer those low end MacBooks, but this district decided on spending the cash to get the top of the line machines.

Bleh. Even low end ones are probably 2-3x the cost and same capability of a basic Dell or whatever.

(My Dell survived my falling on it on a snow staircase in January, so... [folks] hold the snide comments for another day)


I think they were giving them to them for free or at a greatly reduced price.
 
2013-08-23 04:59:41 AM

ongbok: The schools that I have seen that have Apple laptops that they gave to students and teachers all had the low end MacBooks. Maybe Apple did offer those low end MacBooks, but this district decided on spending the cash to get the top of the line machines.


The Macbook Air is the low-end model.
 
2013-08-23 05:06:26 AM
Excellent marketing - give your boutique branded laptops to the children most likely to inherit leadership positions.
 
2013-08-23 05:07:01 AM

The Angry Hand of God: A $1500+ Macbook Air with less functionality than a $400 laptop.

One of my clients was a school that ordered about 50 iPads. Later they tested out the $250 Chromebook and liked it better. There wasn't any more money in the budget...


Schools spend between $949.00 (low end) and $1,249.00 (high end) for Macbook Airs.
 
2013-08-23 06:15:04 AM

Whiskey Pete: Those students don't look orange to me.


s7.postimg.org

Here's an example. But I think these guys're from Jersey, not Florida.
 
2013-08-23 06:25:45 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Whiskey Pete: Those students don't look orange to me.

[s7.postimg.org image 425x319]

Here's an example. But I think these guys're from Jersey, not Florida.


what the actual fark?
 
2013-08-23 06:30:06 AM
So it'll go from "My dog ate my homework", to "My computer deleted my files".
 
2013-08-23 06:39:22 AM
I work IT at a private school that is 98% Apple, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The regular kids have to pay for their own laptops, but the ones on financial aid will get an old one free sometime. And we're talking white MacBooks. They treat those things like absolute gold. Very rarely do ANY students get their equipment damaged. The teachers are harder on the equipment than they are.

Aside from that. OS X is easier to maintain and manage than windows, and from an IT perspective, much MUCH cheaper in the long run to buy Macs than anything else. More easily managed accounts and parental controls. No additional cost for antivirus software. More intuitive do less phone support time. Quicker turn around on parts when you're a self-servicing account for Apple. The list goes on.

It costs more to start, but is do much cheaper in the long run for IT and people's budgets.
 
2013-08-23 06:54:00 AM
so I only just got the headline
 
2013-08-23 06:54:51 AM
I work in a small catholic elementary school. We would love to upgrade our computer lab every 3 years or do, but due to declining numbers from the economy and people not able to afford tuition for elementary school, that is simply impossible.

In a couple of years, the state is going to mandate their standardized tests be taken on computers.

1. I have issues with kids in fourth grade taking thaws tests on computers in general. We have done pilot programs to test standardized testing scores on paper vs. computers, and the younger students didn't even read what was on the computer screen.

2. I can't imagine figuring out how to afford enough computers so everyone can take their tests at the designated time. We have 20 computers in our lab.  150 students are required to take the tests.

Is destined that we are a private school, so the burdon is on us to figure out a solution, but there are poor public school districts that I imagine would have the same issues.
 
2013-08-23 06:55:44 AM
rambly-ramblings.2308065.n4.nabble.com
 
2013-08-23 06:57:12 AM

Jeteupthemiddle: I work in a small catholic elementary school. We would love to upgrade our computer lab every 3 years or do, but due to declining numbers from the economy and people not able to afford tuition for elementary school, that is simply impossible.

In a couple of years, the state is going to mandate their standardized tests be taken on computers.

1. I have issues with kids in fourth grade taking thaws tests on computers in general. We have done pilot programs to test standardized testing scores on paper vs. computers, and the younger students didn't even read what was on the computer screen.

2. I can't imagine figuring out how to afford enough computers so everyone can take their tests at the designated time. We have 20 computers in our lab.  150 students are required to take the tests.

Is destined that we are a private school, so the burdon is on us to figure out a solution, but there are poor public school districts that I imagine would have the same issues.


Hm. I have problems with kids learning from someone who spells "burdon".
 
2013-08-23 07:08:48 AM
Lol. Saw it after I posted. Decided I didn't care.

Also see in your quote of me "is destined" I believe I wrote, or tried to write "I understand."
 
2013-08-23 07:19:28 AM
Well now they can flash their tits on omegle or whatever they use these days. So there's that.
 
2013-08-23 07:32:02 AM

cambie: Was that supposed to be a shot against Mac?

Lucky ass kids if you ask me. What's wrong with carrying around books? It's good exercise.


Thats just it, its exercise, and thats tantamount to cruel and unusal punishment for todays precious snowflakes
 
2013-08-23 07:39:01 AM

CujoQuarrel: Buy the cheapest No-OS laptop you can find and put Linux on it.


I'm not so sure that's a terrific idea. There's a reason for giving kids Macs, if you might want to exert a little influence on what they can do - that "walled garden" can be helpful in that circumstance.
Linux would be fine for the dumb kids who just want to Google, Tweet, and Bookface - but there's about a 5% of clever, bored teenagers that encouraging them to learn Linux is like handing a baby orangutan a jar of nitroglycerine.
 
2013-08-23 07:43:14 AM

Whiskey Pete: Lady J: Day_Old_Dutchie: Whiskey Pete: Those students don't look orange to me.

[s7.postimg.org image 425x319]

Here's an example. But I think these guys're from Jersey, not Florida.

what the actual fark?

Someone needs to link you to the famous Guido thread.


i can guess. we have a similar 'you've been tangoed' look amongst a certain cohort in the uk. they generally at least go orange all over though... rather than have a hideous tidemark at the edge of their face!
 
2013-08-23 08:07:09 AM
Is this part of the Scott's Tots program?

tvmedia.ign.com
 
2013-08-23 08:59:06 AM
If it was digital technology in addition to teaching, that would be fine.

But this is just another example of bullshiat INSTEAD of teaching.
 
2013-08-23 09:40:34 AM

Claude Ballse: I work IT at a private school that is 98% Apple, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The regular kids have to pay for their own laptops, but the ones on financial aid will get an old one free sometime. And we're talking white MacBooks. They treat those things like absolute gold. Very rarely do ANY students get their equipment damaged. The teachers are harder on the equipment than they are.

Aside from that. OS X is easier to maintain and manage than windows, and from an IT perspective, much MUCH cheaper in the long run to buy Macs than anything else. More easily managed accounts and parental controls. No additional cost for antivirus software. More intuitive do less phone support time. Quicker turn around on parts when you're a self-servicing account for Apple. The list goes on.

It costs more to start, but is do much cheaper in the long run for IT and people's budgets.


I couldn't agree more. I run an IT department for a small business and we are 100% mac based. I currently manage over 50 computers by myself, and I could easily take on at least 500 at this rate. The total cost of ownership is way lower. Say whatever you want. It's awesome that these kids are getting these instead of a Windows 8 something. I would have loved to have something like this when I was in school.
 
2013-08-23 11:14:19 AM

jso2897: CujoQuarrel: Buy the cheapest No-OS laptop you can find and put Linux on it.

I'm not so sure that's a terrific idea. There's a reason for giving kids Macs, if you might want to exert a little influence on what they can do - that "walled garden" can be helpful in that circumstance.
Linux would be fine for the dumb kids who just want to Google, Tweet, and Bookface - but there's about a 5% of clever, bored teenagers that encouraging them to learn Linux is like handing a baby orangutan a jar of nitroglycerine.


iOS is a walled garden, OSX is not.
 
2013-08-23 11:26:51 AM

psy5ive: I couldn't agree more. I run an IT department for a small business and we are 100% mac based. I currently manage over 50 computers by myself, and I could easily take on at least 500 at this rate. The total cost of ownership is way lower. Say whatever you want. It's awesome that these kids are getting these instead of a Windows 8 something. I would have loved to have something like this when I was in school.


I would argue this is because Apple is all about controlling their users' actions.  It's a bit like having an indoor cat -- it will probably live a long, happy life -- but it will only ever know a very small world.

Perhaps this is what is best for our children (they need to be watched, of course) -- but Apple's father-knows-best approach is not good for our growth as intellectuals.
 
2013-08-23 11:35:05 AM
Meh, these machines will end up in a local pawn shop soon enough anyway.
 
2013-08-23 11:48:08 AM
Your taxes at work
 
2013-08-23 12:43:10 PM

psy5ive: Claude Ballse: I work IT at a private school that is 98% Apple, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The regular kids have to pay for their own laptops, but the ones on financial aid will get an old one free sometime. And we're talking white MacBooks. They treat those things like absolute gold. Very rarely do ANY students get their equipment damaged. The teachers are harder on the equipment than they are.

Aside from that. OS X is easier to maintain and manage than windows, and from an IT perspective, much MUCH cheaper in the long run to buy Macs than anything else. More easily managed accounts and parental controls. No additional cost for antivirus software. More intuitive do less phone support time. Quicker turn around on parts when you're a self-servicing account for Apple. The list goes on.

It costs more to start, but is do much cheaper in the long run for IT and people's budgets.

I couldn't agree more. I run an IT department for a small business and we are 100% mac based. I currently manage over 50 computers by myself, and I could easily take on at least 500 at this rate. The total cost of ownership is way lower. Say whatever you want. It's awesome that these kids are getting these instead of a Windows 8 something. I would have loved to have something like this when I was in school.


Guess you two never heard of using AD and group policies to manage computers and the ELMS program were MS gives it's OS and server OS away free if it is for educational purposes. And Microsoft Security Essentials is free.
 
2013-08-23 02:07:33 PM

ongbok: psy5ive: Claude Ballse: I work IT at a private school that is 98% Apple, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

The regular kids have to pay for their own laptops, but the ones on financial aid will get an old one free sometime. And we're talking white MacBooks. They treat those things like absolute gold. Very rarely do ANY students get their equipment damaged. The teachers are harder on the equipment than they are.

Aside from that. OS X is easier to maintain and manage than windows, and from an IT perspective, much MUCH cheaper in the long run to buy Macs than anything else. More easily managed accounts and parental controls. No additional cost for antivirus software. More intuitive do less phone support time. Quicker turn around on parts when you're a self-servicing account for Apple. The list goes on.

It costs more to start, but is do much cheaper in the long run for IT and people's budgets.

I couldn't agree more. I run an IT department for a small business and we are 100% mac based. I currently manage over 50 computers by myself, and I could easily take on at least 500 at this rate. The total cost of ownership is way lower. Say whatever you want. It's awesome that these kids are getting these instead of a Windows 8 something. I would have loved to have something like this when I was in school.

Guess you two never heard of using AD and group policies to manage computers and the ELMS program were MS gives it's OS and server OS away free if it is for educational purposes. And Microsoft Security Essentials is free.


They key point both of them made was "98-100% apple".  You can easily infer from this that they either have no experience with windows, or they are strongly fanboi about their preferred platform.

It's easy to say "this is cheaper" because we never even tried anything else and my god, this friend of mine told me how awful windows is to manage.

People like this give IT professionals a bad name.
 
2013-08-23 04:33:33 PM
Apple cheaper?

/good one
 
2013-08-23 05:03:27 PM
1/2 of them will end up missing before the end of the first semester.
 
2013-08-23 06:01:26 PM

The Angry Hand of God: A $1500+ Macbook Air with less functionality than a $400 laptop.

One of my clients was a school that ordered about 50 iPads. Later they tested out the $250 Chromebook and liked it better. There wasn't any more money in the budget...


I had a state legislator ask me about this a while back because he was proposing a switch in some of our schools. (Yes, I actually talk to my state legislator.) Thankfully, he was stuck on Kindle Fire at the time (MUCH cheaper than Apple), though I suggested he make sure schools tried out other devices first to see what would be the best fit at a good price.

Seems to be a pretty common mistake with a lot of schools that are switching over to laptops or tablets that they get stuck on a brand name. (I personally feel like it should have a keyboard if it's for school, though BT keyboards for tablets are pretty cheap.) I don't know if someone advising the school boards is getting kickbacks or what, but they can generally spend a lot less on a better device with more functionality. Depending upon who they go with, they might even get a better deal for ordering so many at a time. If they go with the off-brand droids or pc laptops, they can actually spend less than what they would on the textbooks they'll replace, even if they have to replace a few of them.
 
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