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(Chron)   That girl suspended for refusing to wear an RFID badge may have lost the courtroom battle, but maybe she won the war. The school has abandoned RFID badges that "turned out not to be worth the trouble"   (blog.chron.com) divider line 106
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2013-08-22 08:34:59 PM
Good.
 
2013-08-22 08:36:46 PM
FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?
 
2013-08-22 08:40:13 PM

Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?


Man I bet you can't find a single place to sneak a cigarette during school.
 
2013-08-22 08:46:32 PM
Texas?

Jesus, all she had to do is stuff a few mailboxes with flyers explaining how RFID tags are the mark of the Devil.

/ok so its san antonio
//still bet it would have worked
 
2013-08-22 08:49:49 PM

Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?


How many bathroom stalls are there in that school?
 
2013-08-22 08:50:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Texas?

Jesus, all she had to do is stuff a few mailboxes with flyers explaining how RFID tags are the mark of the Devil.

/ok so its san antonio
//still bet it would have worked


According to the article, that was the basis of the lawsuit.
 
2013-08-22 09:07:31 PM
Back in the 1980s when I was in high school, we didn't have ANY cameras in the school. No trackers. No security guards. No metal detectors. No uniform. No real dress code (aside from "cover up your privates") and the campus was open, meaning I could walk to the public library, a store, or a fast food restaurant if I wanted to, and nobody said shiat about it.

I really feel sorry for kids today. Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now. The one time in your life when you should be able to feel free and express yourself, and kids have to put up with the educator's jackboots on their faces.
 
2013-08-22 09:14:34 PM

Tom_Slick: Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?

Man I bet you can't find a single place to sneak a cigarette during school.


HA!

That was another thing... When I was in high school there was a designated area outside for students to smoke.
 
2013-08-22 09:18:50 PM

ZeroCorpse: Tom_Slick: Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?

Man I bet you can't find a single place to sneak a cigarette during school.

HA!

That was another thing... When I was in high school there was a designated area outside for students to smoke.


They got rid of those my freshman year, but they still had an open campus for lunch break an hour and a half of stick around if you want to but of course everybody left.
 
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2013-08-22 09:48:54 PM
If you implant RFIDs in staff as well as students you can cut down on the "smoking hot teacher caught giving private lessons" stories. In the long term. In the short term you learn a lot that you would rather not know.
 
2013-08-22 10:06:16 PM

ZeroCorpse: Tom_Slick: Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?

Man I bet you can't find a single place to sneak a cigarette during school.

HA!

That was another thing... When I was in high school there was a designated area outside for students to smoke.


Wow you're old.


/i'm kidding!
//please don't beat me, grampa
 
2013-08-22 11:11:35 PM

ZeroCorpse: Back in the 1980s when I was in high school, we didn't have ANY cameras in the school. No trackers. No security guards. No metal detectors. No uniform. No real dress code (aside from "cover up your privates") and the campus was open, meaning I could walk to the public library, a store, or a fast food restaurant if I wanted to, and nobody said shiat about it.

I really feel sorry for kids today. Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now. The one time in your life when you should be able to feel free and express yourself, and kids have to put up with the educator's jackboots on their faces.


Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone!
 
2013-08-22 11:54:27 PM
Just break the cards, then.  Sheesh.
 
2013-08-22 11:55:13 PM
Earlier today I stuck an RFID tag up my ass and I really don't see what the big deal is.
 
2013-08-22 11:55:32 PM
Treat people like prisoners in their formative years and they'll behave like prisoners their whole lives.
 
2013-08-22 11:57:48 PM

Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?


I'd rather have the RFID than the cameras. Holy crap.
 
2013-08-22 11:58:05 PM
Ohio makes the argument that when your kids are at school, the school has legal custody of your kids.

I maintain that this is very bad precedent. I am the only person who has legal custody of my kids. Not the state. Not their school.

If my school had told me I had no right to privacy, I would have walked around with a tshirt on saying, I'm on my period. I bet they would want me to keep that private.
 
2013-08-22 11:58:25 PM
I guess she has something to hide. Anyone afraid of wearing this is obviously a criminal
 
2013-08-22 11:59:46 PM
hahahahahaha

Well done, unknown plaintiff girl.  You have learned a valuable lesson regarding the bureaucracy:  If you stall them long enough, their own inertia will destroy them.
 
2013-08-23 12:01:05 AM

MrHappyRotter: Earlier today I stuck an RFID tag up my ass and I really don't see what the big deal is.


Earlier today I also shoved mrhappyrotter's RFID tag up my ass, and found it pleasant.
 
2013-08-23 12:01:16 AM
Needs more cavity search.
 
2013-08-23 12:01:42 AM
mayberry rfid
 
2013-08-23 12:02:34 AM
I love it when people are right for the wrong reasons. Good for her, a blow against Satan, and a huge step for student-kind!
 
2013-08-23 12:03:06 AM
With all these changes and concessions we are constantly being called upon to make "for the sake of the children" - how come their quality of life is so shiatty compared to when I was a kid?
 
2013-08-23 12:03:48 AM

ZeroCorpse: Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now.


Well, it does teach the kids a valuable lessons in how far authority will go to monitor and control you now.
 
2013-08-23 12:06:31 AM

zzrhardy: With all these changes and concessions we are constantly being called upon to make "for the sake of the children" - how come their quality of life is so shiatty compared to when I was a kid?


The only way to save the kids is to destroy them.
 
2013-08-23 12:06:55 AM

Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?


Only in the girls locker room

//do schools still have locker rooms?
 
2013-08-23 12:08:56 AM

zzrhardy: With all these changes and concessions we are constantly being called upon to make "for the sake of the children" - how come their quality of life is so shiatty compared to when I was a kid?


Because "think of the children" and "OMFG terrorists" are pretexts.
 
2013-08-23 12:09:45 AM

schoolbread: MrHappyRotter: Earlier today I stuck an RFID tag up my ass and I really don't see what the big deal is.

Earlier today I also shoved mrhappyrotter's RFID tag up my ass, and found it pleasant.


Does this mean we're going steady?  If I love you then should I have put a ring on it?
 
2013-08-23 12:12:28 AM
Obama?????????
 
2013-08-23 12:13:43 AM

ZeroCorpse: Back in the 1980s when I was in high school, we didn't have ANY cameras in the school. No trackers. No security guards. No metal detectors. No uniform. No real dress code (aside from "cover up your privates") and the campus was open, meaning I could walk to the public library, a store, or a fast food restaurant if I wanted to, and nobody said shiat about it.

I really feel sorry for kids today. Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now. The one time in your life when you should be able to feel free and express yourself, and kids have to put up with the educator's jackboots on their faces.


No blame the parents. They want to know that their snowflake is safe at all times and God forbid something happens to them during school hours. Those same parents will sue the shiat out of the school district and the state. Then complain that there isn't enough funding for the school district and refuse to allow taxes to be raised.
 
2013-08-23 12:13:56 AM
They've tried to do similar things with RNs in a hospital.  I'd never work in one of those facilities.
 
2013-08-23 12:14:27 AM
"By virtue of the fact that you are a student at a school, there is no privacy."

By virtue of the fact that you use the Internet, there is no privacy.

By virtue of the fact that you have to leave your house, there is no privacy.

By virtue of the fact that you are an American, there is no privacy.
 
2013-08-23 12:16:14 AM

JSam21: ZeroCorpse: Back in the 1980s when I was in high school, we didn't have ANY cameras in the school. No trackers. No security guards. No metal detectors. No uniform. No real dress code (aside from "cover up your privates") and the campus was open, meaning I could walk to the public library, a store, or a fast food restaurant if I wanted to, and nobody said shiat about it.

I really feel sorry for kids today. Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now. The one time in your life when you should be able to feel free and express yourself, and kids have to put up with the educator's jackboots on their faces.

No blame the parents. They want to know that their snowflake is safe at all times and God forbid something happens to them during school hours. Those same parents will sue the shiat out of the school district and the state. Then complain that there isn't enough funding for the school district and refuse to allow taxes to be raised.


While a few sue happy parents are mostly to blame for a lot of the problems with schools (zero tolerance), the worst problem is the fact that funding is tied to attendance.
 
2013-08-23 12:17:46 AM

JSam21: No blame the parents. They want to know that their snowflake is safe at all times and God forbid something happens to them during school hours.


Do you also blame American voters for the Patriot Act?

Because I am kinda more inclined to blame the ones that make and enforce these kinds of things over those that have to go along with them.
 
2013-08-23 12:21:01 AM
"the mark of the beast,"

Oh for F*CK'S SAKE.


ZeroCorpse: Back in the 1980s when I was in high school, we didn't have ANY cameras in the school. No trackers. No security guards. No metal detectors. No uniform. No real dress code (aside from "cover up your privates") and the campus was open, meaning I could walk to the public library, a store, or a fast food restaurant if I wanted to, and nobody said shiat about it.

I really feel sorry for kids today. Schools are being run like they're minimum security prisons, now. The one time in your life when you should be able to feel free and express yourself, and kids have to put up with the educator's jackboots on their faces.


Same here.

/graduated 87
 
2013-08-23 12:28:04 AM

lewismarktwo: While a few sue happy parents are mostly to blame for a lot of the problems with schools (zero tolerance), the worst problem is the fact that funding is tied to attendance.


That's is a damn good point, actually.

They are only doing this because it affects their bottom line.  Their funding is directly tied to how much they control the kids.

You can apply the same logic to the NSA, etc..  The more they work to monitor and manage the populace, the more money they make.  The incentives, then are to go as far as possible with it.
 
2013-08-23 12:29:05 AM
Weird...my teachers just counted us at the beginning of class and wrote it down on a sheet of paper.   Do Texas teachers not know how to count?
 
2013-08-23 12:37:59 AM

sendtodave: The incentives, then, are to go as far as possible with it.


FTFM
 
2013-08-23 12:42:37 AM
200  Cameras?    I understand the reasoning and i hope they used common sense in where they are placed ( as this is in Texas there is some room for doubt) that  said i would have preferred the money spent on the cameras, there installation and all other connected costs be spent actually educating the kids.
 
2013-08-23 12:44:55 AM

grimlock1972: 200  Cameras?    I understand the reasoning and i hope they used common sense in where they are placed ( as this is in Texas there is some room for doubt) that  said i would have preferred the money spent on the cameras, there installation and all other connected costs be spent actually educating the kids.


Come on now. You know dang well that if they hadn't spent it on the cameras, they would have spent it on administration salaries.
 
2013-08-23 12:50:19 AM

mgshamster: grimlock1972: 200  Cameras?    I understand the reasoning and i hope they used common sense in where they are placed ( as this is in Texas there is some room for doubt) that  said i would have preferred the money spent on the cameras, there installation and all other connected costs be spent actually educating the kids.

Come on now. You know dang well that if they hadn't spent it on the cameras, they would have spent it on administration salaries.


Ensuring kids make roll call means the administration can get bigger salaries.  So they spend money to make money.  Educating kids is low on the list.
 
2013-08-23 01:01:02 AM

lewismarktwo: mgshamster: grimlock1972: 200  Cameras?    I understand the reasoning and i hope they used common sense in where they are placed ( as this is in Texas there is some room for doubt) that  said i would have preferred the money spent on the cameras, there installation and all other connected costs be spent actually educating the kids.

Come on now. You know dang well that if they hadn't spent it on the cameras, they would have spent it on administration salaries.

Ensuring kids make roll call means the administration can get bigger salaries.  So they spend money to make money.  Educating kids is low on the list.


Only for the administration. Teachers are usually more concerned with education.

/Usually
//I hope...
 
2013-08-23 01:01:44 AM

Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?


That amount of camera may not be unreasonable to provide full coverage of hallways, parking lots, entrances/exits, etc.  A lot of schools are pretty big, and they'd need multiple cameras in some of the locations to cover all of the angles.

My high school installed cameras after (I believe) my sophomore year.  Of course, they were no help at all when someone stole my leather jacket out of the band room, or when someone damaged my car in the parking lot, but somehow they were able to use them to track down a friend of mine who drove to McDonalds for lunch one day.

Of course, they did end up being helpful at least once - they captured a dumbass on camera phoning in a bomb threat to the school from a payphone in the front lobby.
 
2013-08-23 01:06:59 AM

lewismarktwo: Treat people like prisoners in their formative years and they'll behave like prisoners their whole lives.


Prison: Viciously segregated, brutally homophobic, everyone wants to be an alpha male & will fight over an imagined insult or perceived slight, no mercy for weaklings or "different" individuals, spies and informants everywhere (but they're killed if they get caught), and sadistic guards who are hated by the population they protect and so take it out on the population they nominally guard.

Man, that sounds EXACTLY like the conservative utopia.
 
2013-08-23 01:14:17 AM

Di Atribe: ZeroCorpse: Tom_Slick: Klippoklondike: FTFA "...secure school because of the 200 cameras that are installed at John Jay High School and the 100 that are installed at Jones Middle School"

Holy shiat!  200 cameras in a school?  Is that normal?

Man I bet you can't find a single place to sneak a cigarette during school.

HA!

That was another thing... When I was in high school there was a designated area outside for students to smoke.

Wow you're old.


/i'm kidding!
//please don't beat me, grampa


Around here that is just below average.

He forgot to mention the mini skirts.

/early 70s HS grad
 
2013-08-23 01:15:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: Man, that sounds EXACTLY like the conservative utopia.


That's some pretty brainwashed sh*t to me, bro. Sounds a lot like the neoliberal fascism we've had a heaping helping of lately. Just ask Bradley Manning - tortured under 2 presidents - not only confesses, but apologizes, then wants a sex change. Now that's some f*cking torture, harassment, and isolation right there.
 
2013-08-23 01:19:27 AM
Klippoklondike: Holy shiat! 200 cameras in a school? Is that normal?

200 cameras in a school isn't normal ... but on meth it is.
 
2013-08-23 01:30:49 AM

lewismarktwo: Treat people like prisoners in their formative years and they'll behave like prisoners their whole lives.


I did IT for a county S.O. for a few years, and routinely visited schools to work on the Resource Deputies' MDT's.

One school was a largish, camera-canvased schools and while I waited to get in to see the Deputy, I watched one student get lectured and admonished by a passing vice-principal about being an academic dean's list student, already accepted to university, but chronically showed up to school without her ID badge, and was thus facing an in-school suspension for this heinous rebellious behavior.

The girl seemed to take it in stride, but the vice principle's attitude was sort of surreal, like "Why won't to submit to my petty administrative authoriteh??!?!"

The resource deputy I later talked to seemed to attribute the mania to attendance funding and the principle's frustration that all the technology the county had spent in this school didn't seem to make kids more compliant.
 
2013-08-23 01:35:52 AM

sendtodave: Because I am kinda more inclined to blame the ones that make and enforce these kinds of things over those that have to go along with them.



And I'm inclined to blame the parents that forced these changes in the first place by demanding that the school is financially responsible for anything that happens to the child at any point that they should have been in school, even if they never showed up on school grounds in the first place.

Not that I'm defending the RFID tags, but given the choice between losing multiple lawsuits each year due to kids who get hurt "at school", or spending a relatively small amount on RFID tags and winning all of those cases by saying "your kid wasn't here, so stuff it", I can understand why they would pick RFID tags.

Next month: Parents sue school because the school has been sued too many times and has to cut back on sports.
 
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