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(Talking Points Memo)   Russian government defends anti-gay law, claims it is not discrimination because it applies equally to all Russians. You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 78
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2013-08-22 05:23:02 PM  
Isn't that a lot like the argument the anti-gay marriage people spout: "You have a right to marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else!"
 
2013-08-22 05:30:17 PM  
growlersoftware.com
 
2013-08-22 06:13:03 PM  
anti-laws?  That doesn't sound good.
 
2013-08-22 06:30:15 PM  
O=
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this guy?
 
2013-08-22 06:31:59 PM  
How about we have a rule that if you're a scumbag named Vladimir Putin, you have to jump off a tall building with no parachute? It's perfectly fair, as the rule applies to everyone.
 
2013-08-22 06:33:35 PM  
I'll Godwin this thread early:

Remember, Nazi Germany relaxed many laws (gun restrictions especially) for law-abiding Germans.  Then they went and made Jews illegal.
 
2013-08-22 06:36:21 PM  
Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?
 
2013-08-22 06:37:45 PM  
Never thought I'd get to see the collective brain cell of Russia's legislature go up in smoke so easily.
 
2013-08-22 06:40:35 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?


Because shiat like this gives the idiots we already have to deal with more ideas.

/not gay
//not Russian
///not that there's anything wrong with that.
//not kidding
/not slashies
 
2013-08-22 06:41:30 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?


I do live in Russia. I am not a citizen, and will not live there anymore after June 2014, but I live there. This law is disgraceful and have many friends, ex-pats and Russian citizens, who agree with me. Do I think my opinion matters more than people who have never been to Russia and probably never will? No. The law is that farking bad
 
2013-08-22 06:44:02 PM  
I'm actually ok with Russia's law.  It isn't like they are demeaning women or anything serious.
 
2013-08-22 06:44:04 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?



Because

i483.photobucket.com

/that's why
 
2013-08-22 06:44:20 PM  
Mister Bungle?

Wait, no, he just forgot to wash his hands before going to the lunchroom.
 
2013-08-22 06:46:01 PM  
How many countries have the Koch Brothers taken over?
 
2013-08-22 06:46:26 PM  
You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?

The United States of Amerika?
 
2013-08-22 06:51:07 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?



Are you Syria?
 
2013-08-22 06:53:07 PM  
Everyone is equal.  Some are just more equal than others ;)
 
2013-08-22 07:00:16 PM  
How come no one ever gets bothered by how Muslim countries treat gays, or women for that matter,?
 
2013-08-22 07:03:48 PM  

redTiburon: How come no one ever gets bothered by how Muslim countries treat gays, or women for that matter,?


And why Greenpeace never ever ever protested Soviets?
 
2013-08-22 07:06:02 PM  
All men and women are to have their penises docked. It's fair because it applies equally to everybody.

Speaking of fair to everybody, everybody must now buy health insurance regardless of age, sex, race, class, religion, etc.

Enjoy your aborton, Father Brown.
 
2013-08-22 07:09:28 PM  

redTiburon: How come no one ever gets bothered by how Muslim countries treat gays, or women for that matter,?


you must not read a lot of threads.
 
2013-08-22 07:14:28 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?


972mag.com
 
2013-08-22 07:16:55 PM  
HindiDiscoMonster: Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?

hey trolio, I have been meaning to ask... how come you decided to start posting again after such a long hiatus?


What Hiatus? I've been posting regularly. Must have just missed me.
 
2013-08-22 07:19:25 PM  
The US?
 
2013-08-22 07:24:28 PM  
You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?

Democrats?
 
2013-08-22 07:35:12 PM  
non discriminatory anti-laws

Those are the best kind of anti-laws.
 
2013-08-22 07:36:15 PM  

Confabulat: Isn't that a lot like the argument the anti-gay marriage people spout: "You have a right to marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else!"


And the anti-miscegenation folks: "You're free to marry someone the same color as you, just like everyone else!"
 
2013-08-22 07:47:34 PM  
Putin is a farking pussy.

His third term is illegitimate even by Russian standards. This is an ideological proxy war to tie homosexuality with Western influence and it's only the beginning. Gays are just the easiest target right now. But make no mistake, they are not the last.

This is one of the few Federal legislative actions not to originate from the Kremlin. It percolated up from a regional Governor. It is worded vaguely not in anticipation of clashes with the IOC -- that was a given -- but because the language allows for selective enforcement. A minority party Presidential could be charged under the law for disagreeing with it.

He's weak. This would be like Obama banning Tea Party rallies.
 
2013-08-22 07:53:21 PM  
gayness is a behavior, not a condition
 
2013-08-22 07:56:04 PM  

stirfrybry: gayness is a behavior, not a condition


Portland resident-like typing detected.
 
2013-08-22 08:10:59 PM  

serial_crusher: anti-laws?  That doesn't sound good.


www.girlsinspace.co.uk
Agrees.
 
jvl
2013-08-22 08:14:05 PM  

Confabulat: Isn't that a lot like the argument the anti-gay marriage people spout: "You have a right to marry a person of the opposite sex just like everyone else!"


Except for the jail time it's practically similar!
 
2013-08-22 08:20:52 PM  
So, TeaPottie logic.

Good to know it isn't just the American conservative that has totally lost it's ability to think clearly. Good heterosexual Aryans have nothing to fear.

Part of the original motivation for the Soviet Revolution was the fact that the Orthodox Church pretty much dictated what defined morality and civilized behavior in Russia before the Communists took over, and people were sick of religious doctrine being substituted for Justice. Not too many people missed the Church after the mid 1920s or so. The Church was the most direct enforcer of the Serfdom laws and the caste system in pre-communist Russia. And enforcement was severe.
 
2013-08-22 08:22:07 PM  
I'd like to relate an exchange from a different thread (the one about the voter ID court case):

HAMMERTOE: eraser8: Yes, there is a cost associated with purchasing and owning a firearm. But, unlike the right to bear arms, the Constitution EXPLICITLY prohibits states from imposing a financial burden on those exercising their right to vote.

Which is nothing more than a display of governmental duplicity. Id required to exercise one Constitutional Right, but not for another. "Racist" in one case, but not in another.


Hmmm. Different Constitutional rights are handled differently? You don't say!

This is interesting because just as there can be different treatments of different Constitutional Rights, it logically goes to follow that there can be different laws entirely under two different forms of government. As I was told by somebody else in that thread: "That's simply the way the Constitution is written.  If you don't like it, there is an amendment process." This holds true here as well- If you don';t like it, move to Russia and run against Putin for President or Premier or whatever office he holds.

Personally, I've made my peace with homosexuality. But I respect the right of other cultures and countries to their own mores, just like I respect the right of gays to theirs.
 
2013-08-22 08:25:27 PM  

jchuffyman: Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?

I do live in Russia. I am not a citizen, and will not live there anymore after June 2014, but I live there. This law is disgraceful and have many friends, ex-pats and Russian citizens, who agree with me. Do I think my opinion matters more than people who have never been to Russia and probably never will? No. The law is that farking bad


Pour one out on Ploschad Mayakovsky for me.  Worked there for 2 years in the 90s, don't think I'll ever go back.
 
2013-08-22 08:28:06 PM  
It's illegal to be short.  What's wrong with that?  It applies equally to everyone... tall people and short people.
 
2013-08-22 08:36:53 PM  
"The law, in its majesty, forbids the rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges" - Voltaire
 
2013-08-22 08:52:05 PM  

Abox: It's illegal to be short.  What's wrong with that?  It applies equally to everyone... tall people and short people.


Is that an original thought? Because that is spot-on. Haven't heard that yet.
 
2013-08-22 08:52:42 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: This is one of the few Federal legislative actions not to originate from the Kremlin. It percolated up from a regional Governor.

www.firsttvdrama.com
00:37:03 The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.
00:37:09 That's impossible! How will the Emperor maintain control without the bureaucracy?
00:37:12 The regional governors now have direct control over their territories.
00:37:17 Fear will keep the local systems in line.
 
2013-08-22 09:01:14 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Personally, I've made my peace with homosexuality. But I respect the right of other cultures and countries to their own mores, just like I respect the right of gays to theirs.


This "I respect cultures" that break others bones and imprison them because of their 'mores' and abuse human rights for people that do not harm you needs to stop.

There's nothing respectful in that; nothing at all.

You've 'made your peace with Homosexuality'....for something that doesn't physically affect you it's very nice you've made peace with that, geeze to even think gays would have to go you and you kind to 'ask permission' to be human is insulting.
 
2013-08-22 09:01:46 PM  

Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?


BEcause I care out the welfare of other humans.  You know, like Jesus wants me to
 
2013-08-22 09:01:51 PM  
If only the progressive utopia could be held together with butthurt! Sadly, where man's law contradicts natural law, natural law always wins in the end.

/Putin showed so much promise when he was mocking Dubya
//we all really thought he would finally bring about a true global communist utopia marching in step with our President Obama
///why does this keep happening no matter how many kulaks and wreckers we kill?
 
2013-08-22 09:14:45 PM  
 You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?

Obama?
 
2013-08-22 09:14:59 PM  

Tatterdemalian: If only the progressive utopia could be held together with butthurt! Sadly, where man's law contradicts natural law, natural law always wins in the end.

/Putin showed so much promise when he was mocking Dubya
//we all really thought he would finally bring about a true global communist utopia marching in step with our President Obama
///why does this keep happening no matter how many kulaks and wreckers we kill?


Oh, please instruct all the rubes here about what constitutes "natural law".
 
2013-08-22 09:41:15 PM  

Deathfrogg: Tatterdemalian: If only the progressive utopia could be held together with butthurt! Sadly, where man's law contradicts natural law, natural law always wins in the end.

/Putin showed so much promise when he was mocking Dubya
//we all really thought he would finally bring about a true global communist utopia marching in step with our President Obama
///why does this keep happening no matter how many kulaks and wreckers we kill?

Oh, please instruct all the rubes here about what constitutes "natural law".


Pass all the laws you want.  Gay people will still be gay and fark other gay people.  See nature wins.
 
2013-08-22 09:42:17 PM  

Tatterdemalian: If only the progressive utopia could be held together with butthurt! Sadly, where man's law contradicts natural law, natural law always wins in the end.

/Putin showed so much promise when he was mocking Dubya
//we all really thought he would finally bring about a true global communist utopia marching in step with our President Obama
///why does this keep happening no matter how many kulaks and wreckers we kill?


You did this poorly.
 
2013-08-22 09:44:54 PM  
You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?

North Carolina GOP?
 
2013-08-22 09:45:37 PM  
Russian government defends anti-gay law, claims it is not discrimination because it applies equally to all Russians. You know who else had non discriminatory anti-laws that applied equally to all people?

Practically everyone?
 
2013-08-22 09:49:12 PM  

Deathfrogg: Tatterdemalian: If only the progressive utopia could be held together with butthurt! Sadly, where man's law contradicts natural law, natural law always wins in the end.

/Putin showed so much promise when he was mocking Dubya
//we all really thought he would finally bring about a true global communist utopia marching in step with our President Obama
///why does this keep happening no matter how many kulaks and wreckers we kill?

Oh, please instruct all the rubes here about what constitutes "natural law".


The laws that govern everything that doesn't go away when people stop believing in it. Stuff like the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter being an irrational number, the change in internal energy in a closed system being accounted for entirely by the heat absorbed by the system and the work done by the system, and the fact that homosexual males are still biologically male.

/so many people worship Darwin but never actually read his books
//but then, to people that expect whatever they call "perfection" from their man-made gods, that way lies madness
 
2013-08-22 09:52:06 PM  

phalamir: Oldiron_79: Why do you guys care what a country you dont live in does?

BEcause I care out the welfare of other humans.  You know, like Jesus wants me to


Lol you have an imaginary friend.
 
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