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(YouTube)   Remember that traffic jam that made you scream like a sorority girl in a Freddy Krueger movie? Yeah. Here's what caused it (Not safe for work language)   (youtube.com) divider line 78
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2013-08-23 02:40:04 AM

leftymcrighty: freetomato: Merging. I hate the jerks who ride the shoulder till the very...last...minute....to get as far ahead as they can, and stuff their way in. I never give an inch to those pricks.  At some point in life you have to WAIT YOUR FARKIN' TURN, you entitled  jackasses.

Those who think the rules of civility and common courtesy do not apply to them are on my "you can die first" list.

Can you tell me exactly what all that extra road is for, if not other vehicles? Seriously. If everyone just drove to the end, it'd be a simple "you first, then me" like a zipper closing.

Otherwise you have people just randomly choosing to merge at some spot 500 or 600 or 300 meters back, and it's a giant clusterfark of "Oh I guess I'll merge here for some reason" and someone else reacting "Oh apparently this guy has chosen here to randomly merge, which I wasn't expecting, so now I have to crunch my brakes to make room, which farks up everything behind me" (multiplied x 50 for all the people randomly merging wherever the hell they feel like)

Seriously. If you can give me a good reason why that extra 500 meters of road is there, when cars aren't supposed to use it, then I'm all ears.


The Zipper fails miserably because there are always drivers who wait until the absolute last minute, to shove in, while driving at least three or four times the speed of the lane they are trying to merge into, causing them to SLAM on their brakes when they cut in the line.

The zipper is a horrible model to follow, since it relies on every single driver being perfectly courteous and obeying the general rule. Drivers will take advantage of it in the worst way, and other drivers will be frustrated in the worst way.

This is why "early merge" is a better model... merging when your speed is closer means nobody is slamming on their breaks when they cut in. Human nature defeats the late zipper, early merge allows for natural behavior.
 
2013-08-23 02:41:11 AM
...and of course I typo'd "breaks" when I meant "brakes"

Ugh. I am usually more literate, but I'm tired and on my way to bed.
 
2013-08-23 03:21:49 AM

leftymcrighty: freetomato: Merging. I hate the jerks who ride the shoulder till the very...last...minute....to get as far ahead as they can, and stuff their way in. I never give an inch to those pricks.  At some point in life you have to WAIT YOUR FARKIN' TURN, you entitled  jackasses.

Those who think the rules of civility and common courtesy do not apply to them are on my "you can die first" list.

Can you tell me exactly what all that extra road is for, if not other vehicles? Seriously. If everyone just drove to the end, it'd be a simple "you first, then me" like a zipper closing.

Otherwise you have people just randomly choosing to merge at some spot 500 or 600 or 300 meters back, and it's a giant clusterfark of "Oh I guess I'll merge here for some reason" and someone else reacting "Oh apparently this guy has chosen here to randomly merge, which I wasn't expecting, so now I have to crunch my brakes to make room, which farks up everything behind me" (multiplied x 50 for all the people randomly merging wherever the hell they feel like)

Seriously. If you can give me a good reason why that extra 500 meters of road is there, when cars aren't supposed to use it, then I'm all ears.


FFS, use common sense. That road is for acceleration and merging when traffic is at highway speeds.

When it's stop and go, and you use it to pass everyone, you're a fuking cock sucker.
 
2013-08-23 03:29:25 AM

LesserEvil: The Zipper fails miserably because there are always drivers who wait until the absolute last minute, to shove in, while driving at least three or four times the speed of the lane they are trying to merge into, causing them to SLAM on their brakes when they cut in the line.

The zipper is a horrible model to follow, since it relies on every single driver being perfectly courteous and obeying the general rule. Drivers will take advantage of it in the worst way, and other drivers will be frustrated in the worst way.

This is why "early merge" is a better model... merging when your speed is closer means nobody is slamming on their breaks when they cut in. Human nature defeats the late zipper, early merge allows for natural behavior.


Bullshat.

The zipper uses "human nature" to force everyone to merge at the same spot, so they have to take turns. Your model IGNORES human nature and expects everyone to FREELY merge ahead of time - AND THEY WON'T, BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST HUMAN NATURE- there are always drivers who wait until the absolute last minute, to shove in, while driving at least three or four times the speed of the lane they are trying to merge into, causing them to SLAM on their brakes when they cut in the line.

You literally have it 100% backwards, and traffic science has proved it.

The only problem with the zipper merge, is DOTs still pick a left or right lane for dominance, causing misinformed people like you to choose it while ignoring the flashing "USE BOTH LANE" signs.
 
2013-08-23 03:55:55 AM
My god, idiot actors who can't drive describing things written by an idiot journalist who can't drive.

"THAT GUY" and all the cars behind him were traveling too fast for the rest of the traffic and jammed up.
Then the farkballs behind "that guy" suddenly let the gap in front of them get to more than TWICE the gap they were using as a following distance prior to the slow-down because NONE of them are actually paying attention to driving.

Who's at fault?  Not the guy who slammed on his brakes, the people who sat there waiting for a cookie behind him.

When I was growing up in Illinois and there weren't that many large trucks running around in town we could ALL see the green lights at intersections and we'd ALL START MOVING AT THE SAME TIME.   It was a point of pride that we could get sixty cars through a green light that any other state could only get 20 through.  One solid line of cars spreading out their following distance AS they accelerated instead of before they accelerated.

PAY ATTENTION TO DRIVING AND NOTHING ELSE.   That's the moral of the story here.
 
2013-08-23 06:15:00 AM
There's a reason that one-lane closures for highway construction are often preceeded by large signs saying "STAY IN LANE UNTIL MERGE POINT" or "USE BOTH LANES," with a sign saying "MERGE HERE" at the lane closure. A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.

Here's more:

http://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/merge.html

It's really mind-boggling that this isn't more apparent to people.
 
2013-08-23 06:24:39 AM
Speeding, tailgating, and poorly initiated road work that create bottlenecks are what causes traffic jams.
 
2013-08-23 06:30:42 AM

nonvideas: There's a reason that one-lane closures for highway construction are often preceeded by large signs saying "STAY IN LANE UNTIL MERGE POINT" or "USE BOTH LANES," with a sign saying "MERGE HERE" at the lane closure. A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.

Here's more:

http://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/merge.html

It's really mind-boggling that this isn't more apparent to people.


Nobody follows the zipper method because the non-merging lane always believes they have the right-of-way.

They make it a point to not let you in and pretend that you are not even there.

In fact they act all surprised when they notice that you are not farking around and aren't backing down either, as if they didn't realize that there was traffic going on next to them.

I see it everyday, 5 times a day. There is always that farker that does it.
 
2013-08-23 06:57:13 AM
Isn't this also referred to as snaking?  Because it looks like a snake slithering along, one section stops while the other part in front scoots long.
 
2013-08-23 07:41:23 AM
I don't recall Freddy ever killing ANY sorority girls.  That wasn't really his M.O.
 
2013-08-23 07:45:25 AM

sheep snorter: Some comic years ago had a bit about:
So driving in LA, I keep trying to leave 3 car spaces between me and the guy ahead of me, but then a car fills the space so I slow up to get the space back. Then another guy pulls in and I slow down again. Then eventually, next thing you know, I'm backing down the highway at 60 MPH.

/Was it Cosby?


I think it was Carlos Mencia.
/That guy has all the great jokes.
 
2013-08-23 08:13:27 AM
Now that I can run faster than cars, I don't even bother driving anymore.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-08-23 08:45:45 AM

Mentat: And of course if you pull back to a safe distance, someone else will just pull in between you and now you're tailgating again.


amen brother... that pisses me off so flipping much.
 
2013-08-23 08:59:41 AM

nonvideas: It's really mind-boggling that this isn't more apparent to people.


This would be great if it ever worked that way.  From what I can tell, the most efficient thing to do is merge when you can, not when you have to. Sometimes safety and not being a cock sucker is more efficient.
 
2013-08-23 09:47:29 AM

LesserEvil: That's really farking annoying. Red lights aren't time to search your handbag, reach for that curly fry that fell under the passenger seat, or post a new blog entry through your Android phablet.


I'm not sure there's a lot of efficiency that can be squeezed out of red lights.

But that said, red lights can be fun.  The compression cycle is great entertainment value.  Someone thinks it over, decides they really should have stopped a car length further ahead.  A gap forms.  The car behind fills it.  And so forth.  The same lead car decides there's another foot or two in there.  He pulls forward again.  There's a half life cycle.  16 ft.  8 ft.  4ft.  2 ft.

I'm the guy who refuses to move.  I keep watching the gap grow and as my resolve grows.  This patch of pavement is my own until the light turns green.  Very rarely, a big enough gap will form to allow a car to change lanes in front of me.  You have to say it like the church lady, but, "oooooh."  The anxiety in other faces is comical, visual accusations that I did this.
 
2013-08-23 10:04:44 AM

impaler: The zipper uses "human nature" to force everyone to merge at the same spot, so they have to take turns. Your model IGNORES human nature and expects everyone to FREELY merge ahead of time - AND THEY WON'T, BECAUSE IT'S AGAINST HUMAN NATURE


Thus, the "cops shoot people in the head" method of dealing with the greedy pricks that don't give a fark if they make people brake behind them, creating traffic jams behind them.
 
2013-08-23 10:08:23 AM

nonvideas: A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.


That's total bullshiat. If everyone was able to merge to the requisite lanes without causing anyone to seriously brake (IE, everyone merging well ahead of the merge point), then there would be no traffic jams. But no. Instead, we prefer to be jackasses and merge as late as possible, at five miles per hour.
 
2013-08-23 10:40:56 AM

Lando Lincoln: nonvideas: A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.

That's total bullshiat. If everyone was able to merge to the requisite lanes without causing anyone to seriously brake (IE, everyone merging well ahead of the merge point), then there would be no traffic jams. But no. Instead, we prefer to be jackasses and merge as late as possible, at five miles per hour.


Wrong... traffic congestion is directly related to two things: the number of cars on the road and the amount of road available. If everyone merges early, there is less road available for the same number of cars. That's not to say that a logjam at the absolute final merge point is the most efficient method, either. There will inevitably be a slow down due to increased congestion when one lane is eliminated, but it doesn't have to be a slow merge at 5 mph, though. That is caused, primarily, by people in the continuing lane refusing to merge with the ending lane. If a computer was controlling every car efficiently, then the optimal merge would be very close to the absolute final merge point at a speed reduced to the point that the continuing lane(s) can accommodate the flow of traffic.
 
2013-08-23 11:20:05 AM

leftymcrighty: Seriously. If you can give me a good reason why that extra 500 meters of road is there, when cars aren't supposed to use it, then I'm all ears.


We have a special breed of asshole here in Georgia that use the SHOULDER, the breakdown lane if you will, to zoom to the front of the perceived line and try to ram their way in.  That is who I was referring to.
 
2013-08-23 12:12:50 PM

Flab: highendmighty: Google cars will save us from all of this.  Can't wait until it's illegal to drive manually.

/only sorta joking

- Daaad.  I need to go pee!!1!
- Ok. HAL, stop the car.
- I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that!


Son, the water jug was good enough to use in the Cessna, it's good enough to use in the car.
 
2013-08-23 12:49:13 PM

Lando Lincoln: nonvideas: A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.

That's total bullshiat. If everyone was able to merge to the requisite lanes without causing anyone to seriously brake (IE, everyone merging well ahead of the merge point), then there would be no traffic jams. But no. Instead, we prefer to be jackasses and merge as late as possible, at five miles per hour.


You and I are talking about two different things:

If traffic is moving smoothly, and drivers are given sufficient advance notice of the upcoming merge, and they're all good enough to merge while there is still room to do so without causing anybody else to hit the brakes, and the traffic density is light enough that it can be accommodated in one lane without a material decrease of cruising speed, then you're right: everybody gently moves into the lane that passes through the obstruction and traffic never slows down.

I'm talking about the situation where one of those factors isn't present, and we've now got a jam. At that point, using all of the available merging lane, all the way up to the obstruction, reduces the length of the jam and actually allows the merge to take place more efficiently.
 
2013-08-23 12:53:26 PM

leftymcrighty: Can you tell me exactly what all that extra road is for, if not other vehicles? Seriously. If everyone just drove to the end, it'd be a simple "you first, then me" like a zipper closing.


Careful. It's important to distinguish between the people doing a zip merge into flowing traffic and the people who are just being selfish dildos and are intentionally driving along in the wrong lane for as long as possible just to try and fly past as many people as possible into SLOWING traffic.

Case in point, there's one spot on my commute home where a very long ramp joins the interstate, but, inevitably, everybody will try to force their way over as soon as possible and hundreds of feet of the ramp often go unused. The spot is a constant snarl as a result because over about 200 feet you have effectively three lanes of traffic collapsing to two all at one small point.

Earlier in my commute, however, there's a spot where the left lane of a two-lane freeway ends and the remaining lane joins a new right lane so the two split off as ramps onto the interstate, one in each direction.

EVERY GODDAMN DAY you have these dickcheeses who will fly as far up the left lane as they can despite the warnings for a mile and a half that the lane ends just so they can try and jam as far ahead of traffic as possible and not have to wait an extra 20 or 30 seconds by driving the prevailing speed. This ALSO creates a jam because they're not merging, they're just cutting people off on the ramps by intentionally not getting out of a travel lane that ends.

Two jams created by opposite behaviors that are both wrong in their specific scenarios.
 
2013-08-23 01:52:09 PM

UberDave: I think people who don't know how or when to merge (and who has right of way) cause more problems than anything.  The object isn't to see how far you can get and how many cars you can bypass before you are forced to merge.


Wrong. The more merge distance the more smoother the merge. It's the ones who try to merge immediately from almost a dead stop that causes more of a jam. Especially the ones who cross the double white lines.
 
2013-08-23 02:03:06 PM
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2013-08-23 03:23:48 PM
This video doesn't really explain WHY each successive car in traffic ends up having to slow down more than the car before it. :\

Also, that burning couch example. ...What? Two slotcars in separate lanes =/= traffic jam.
 
2013-08-23 04:39:28 PM

freetomato: Enuratique: Rubbernecking?

I had to check to see if you were in Atlanta. If a cop has someone pulled over, the mesmerizing blue light causes a jam for miles.

I used to drive 30 miles into Atlanta for work. Excruciating. The final straw was the day I was crawling through the Grady Curve. Saw an opening, used my signal, and got over to the right. Apparently this woman was coming left at the same time so I kind of cut her off. I put my hand up in a "sorry" motion. Then we ground to a halt. This crazy biatch gets out of her car on the downtown connector, punches my driver side window and is doing that mountain gorilla "come on!" dance outside my window. A) I could have taken her. She was pudgy and middle aged, and I was 36 and a gym rat. B) I didn't want to be on the morning news - "Livecopter 3! Cat fight on the highway!" And C) I most likely would have gotten arrested for breaking her nose if she touched me. Traffic started moving again, so I called the State Patrol to report her crazy ass. More BS than I cared to deal with before 7:30 am. I took a pay cut and got a job close to home. I now have a 10 minute commute on town roads. I won't get rich here but the wear and tear on my car and my nerves is worth it.


LOL, I was born, raised, and learned to drive in Atlanta... Haven't updated my profile in a while, but I'm in Dallas now. Regardless, I feel your pain, brother.
 
2013-08-23 07:21:42 PM

Lando Lincoln: nonvideas: A late zipper merge is substantially more efficient than the early merge. Using the whole available road reduces backups further down the highway.

That's total bullshiat. If everyone was able to merge to the requisite lanes without causing anyone to seriously brake (IE, everyone merging well ahead of the merge point), then there would be no traffic jams. But no. Instead, we prefer to be jackasses and merge as late as possible, at five miles per hour.


This is already happening no matter where the merging point is.

Are you saying that you want to leave a lane wide open while we merge when you say we should merge?

Wait, you are saying that there should just be one lane all the way home right? Yes, I think that is what you are saying.
 
2013-08-23 07:47:53 PM
My earlier comment was about one specific situation: lane closure, where one lane (the one that doesn't close) is filled with hundreds of cars that are locked in stop and go, and the other lane (the one closing) not being used because everyone is merging at random early points.

I maintain that the stop and go traffic is a direct result of random merging.  All it takes is one guy to say "I'll just merge here in this random location" and one driver to say "Oh, that guy's gonna merge I guess" and he hits the brakes and BAM brake wave leads to traffic eventually stopping.

If everyone were on the same page, and left plenty of room for a car to get in front of them, including at the merge point, there'd be less brake tromping because now people EXPECT people to merge in front of them. Less brake tromping means less traffic jam.

In case you didn't see the link, check out the one posted by nonvideas:

http://www.jamesrobertwatson.com/merge.html
 
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