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(KLTV Tyler)   Kindergarten shooting doesn't mean we need new gun laws. Just enforce existing laws against five-year-olds having guns   (kltv.com) divider line 175
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2013-08-22 04:48:37 PM  
I'm not going to argue with a headline, but I will point out that it completely ignores the fundamental arguments for gun control.
 
2013-08-22 04:53:47 PM  
FTA: "Action News 5's Lauren Squires is working to learn more about how the child obtained the gun."

Yes, please, I'd like to know.

It was sitting on a counter in the house? Maybe on a dresser?  In an unsecured/unlocked gun cabinet? Perhaps a gift for the child's 4th birthday?

/responsible gun owners
 
2013-08-22 05:01:23 PM  
I hope whomever left the loaded gun laying around such that a 5  year old could get access get pounded by the court system.  String 'em up by their toes.
 
2013-08-22 05:02:28 PM  
I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.
 
2013-08-22 05:02:29 PM  
Here we go again...
 
2013-08-22 05:02:53 PM  
The kid probably had show and tell, and wanted to show the class what Daddy spends all his time with.
 
2013-08-22 05:04:53 PM  
Anyone know what state this happened in? Oh ... never mind.
 
2013-08-22 05:07:11 PM  

RottNDude: Here we go again...


This could be rather easily stopped
 
2013-08-22 05:07:13 PM  
The teacher asked him to show an example of freedom. I fail to see the problem here
 
2013-08-22 05:08:11 PM  

ikanreed: I'm not going to argue with a headline, but I will point out that it completely ignores the fundamental arguments for gun control.


And it's tough to enforce them when there are some LEOs going on record as saying they won't enforce them.
 
2013-08-22 05:09:46 PM  
There was a guy in a Fark thread just yesterday or the day before saying both is his kids had learned how to fire a rifle before they were three years old.

So there's that.
 
2013-08-22 05:09:48 PM  

IlGreven: ikanreed: I'm not going to argue with a headline, but I will point out that it completely ignores the fundamental arguments for gun control.

And it's tough to enforce them when there are some LEOs going on record as saying they won't enforce them.


They need to be removed immediately for derelection of duty
 
2013-08-22 05:09:56 PM  

Piizzadude: RottNDude: Here we go again...

This could be rather easily stopped


And so could many other preventable catastrophes. But instead, we get excuses like "God's will", "just an accident", and "no one could have predicted".
 
2013-08-22 05:10:00 PM  
Pretty sure 5 year olds have the same 2nd amendment rights as the rest of us.
 
2013-08-22 05:12:20 PM  

sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.


An unenforced law does nothing at all. Why bother passing more laws when you don't enforce the ones that already exist?
 
2013-08-22 05:13:39 PM  

Piizzadude: RottNDude: Here we go again...

This could be rather easily stopped


Yup, just pass some laws.
 
2013-08-22 05:13:41 PM  
Listen up, libs. All we need are more cops at that school. And I know just the man for the job...

img23.imageshack.us
 
2013-08-22 05:17:47 PM  
I look for many, many more accidents like this as Glen Beck fans stock up on weapons.
 
2013-08-22 05:23:37 PM  
Every act committed with a gun is intentional.
Every crime committed with a gun deserves the death penalty.
The only purpose of a gun is to kill.
Therefore the owner of the gun is guilty of assault with intent to murder, or of first degree murder.
So, execute the owner and throw the kids into the foster care system,

Everyone who disagrees is too irresponsible to ever own a gun.
 
2013-08-22 05:33:43 PM  

cubic_spleen: Every act committed with a gun is intentional.
Every crime committed with a gun deserves the death penalty.
The only purpose of a gun is to kill.
Therefore the owner of the gun is guilty of assault with intent to murder, or of first degree murder.
So, execute the owner and throw the kids into the foster care system,

Everyone who disagrees is too irresponsible to ever own a gun.


Except for military and law enforcement of course. Right? You mean law enforcement too?

Wow , you are sick
 
2013-08-22 05:37:18 PM  

sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.


Part of the problem in the whole gun control debate, with the idea we should enforce the current laws, is a bit of a conundrum.  The BATFE, which is responsible for enforcing all federal laws on alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives is:

1) Woefully understaffed for such an endeavor to enforce the laws on just one of those categories, much less all four.
2) Forbidden by federal law to enforce the existing laws on guns.  No, I'm not making that up.  You can thank the NRA and their bought-and-paid-for Republican toadies on that one.
 
2013-08-22 05:38:52 PM  

ampoliros: FTA: "Action News 5's Lauren Squires is working to learn more about how the child obtained the gun."

Yes, please, I'd like to know.

It was sitting on a counter in the house? Maybe on a dresser?  In an unsecured/unlocked gun cabinet? Perhaps a gift for the child's 4th birthday?

/responsible gun owners


What are the odds the gun belongs to a relative who is a drug dealer gang member or regular old school G err I mean felon?
 
2013-08-22 05:39:09 PM  
Yeah, enforcing existing laws would be nice. But, we don't actually FUND enforcement (and won't, because FREEDUMB), so there is none.
 
2013-08-22 05:40:45 PM  

Whiskey Pete: sugar_fetus: sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.

An unenforced law does nothing at all. Why bother passing more laws when you don't enforce the ones that already exist?

Exactly what law was not enforced here?


Gun free school zone law thingy.
 
2013-08-22 05:41:52 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Yeah, enforcing existing laws would be nice. But, we don't actually FUND enforcement (and won't, because FREEDUMB), so there is none.


They get the same amount of money whether they all sit in the delta delta or sit at a speed trap.
 
2013-08-22 05:42:37 PM  
Is "kindergarten shooting" the new "smoking hot?"
 
2013-08-22 05:44:02 PM  
Black or African American: 62.6%White: 31.7% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 29.5%)Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 5.0%Asian: 1.7%Native American: 0.2%Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%Some other race: 2.7%Two or more races: 1.2%


I bet the Other Pacific Islanders were responsible for this.....
 
2013-08-22 05:45:47 PM  

Dog Welder: sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.

Part of the problem in the whole gun control debate, with the idea we should enforce the current laws, is a bit of a conundrum.  The BATFE, which is responsible for enforcing all federal laws on alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives is:

1) Woefully understaffed for such an endeavor to enforce the laws on just one of those categories, much less all four.
2) Forbidden by federal law to enforce the existing laws on guns.  No, I'm not making that up.  You can thank the NRA and their bought-and-paid-for Republican toadies on that one.


Are you saying the state or local police are forbidden from arresting people who commit gun related crimes?

Were the BATFE involved in the stop and frisk program in NYC?
 
2013-08-22 05:46:27 PM  

Giltric: Black or African American: 62.6%White: 31.7% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 29.5%)Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 5.0%Asian: 1.7%Native American: 0.2%Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%Some other race: 2.7%Two or more races: 1.2%


I bet the Other Pacific Islanders were responsible for this.....


Just hurry up and call them attractive and successful African-Americans so we can all get on with our lives, okay?
 
2013-08-22 05:47:10 PM  

cubic_spleen: Every act committed with a gun is intentional.
Every crime committed with a gun deserves the death penalty.
The only purpose of a gun is to kill.
Therefore the owner of the gun is guilty of assault with intent to murder, or of first degree murder.
So, execute the owner and throw the kids into the foster care system,

Everyone who disagrees is too irresponsible to ever own a gun.


Even just accepting your assertion , execution doesn't seem to fit the crime for attempted murder.

Guess ill just favorite you as a gun nut, since you believe nutty things about guns.
 
2013-08-22 05:47:11 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Giltric: Black or African American: 62.6%White: 31.7% (Non-Hispanic Whites: 29.5%)Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 5.0%Asian: 1.7%Native American: 0.2%Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%Some other race: 2.7%Two or more races: 1.2%


I bet the Other Pacific Islanders were responsible for this.....

Just hurry up and call them attractive and successful African-Americans so we can all get on with our lives, okay?


I prefer the term Occams Razorettes.
 
2013-08-22 05:48:48 PM  
FTA: the gun went off around 7:40 a.m. at Westside Elementary School in Frayser. Police were called around 8:30 a.m.

Yea lets call the security guards first and try to keep this shiat quiet and damn who the hell pushed the parental notification button!!!!

/Security guards(even if you let them have guns and torture spray) are not cops, so quit trying to hide your schools crimes away from the public and the real police.
 
2013-08-22 05:49:18 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Listen up, libs. All we need are more cops at that school. And I know just the man for the job...

[img23.imageshack.us image 550x308]


My name is John Kimble, and I love my car.


Anyways, the parents should be charged as if they discharged a gun in the school caf.
 
2013-08-22 05:50:19 PM  

sheep snorter: FTA: the gun went off around 7:40 a.m. at Westside Elementary School in Frayser. Police were called around 8:30 a.m.

Yea lets call the security guards first and try to keep this shiat quiet and damn who the hell pushed the parental notification button!!!!

/Security guards(even if you let them have guns and torture spray) are not cops, so quit trying to hide your schools crimes away from the public and the real police.


Most school district police departments have the same powers and accredidation as regular police departments.
 
2013-08-22 05:50:37 PM  

Whiskey Pete: sugar_fetus: sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.

An unenforced law does nothing at all. Why bother passing more laws when you don't enforce the ones that already exist?

Exactly what law was not enforced here?


This one:  http://www.state.tn.us/tccy/tnchild/39/39-17-1319.htm
 
2013-08-22 05:50:54 PM  

PapaChester: Car_Ramrod: Listen up, libs. All we need are more cops at that school. And I know just the man for the job...

[img23.imageshack.us image 550x308]

My name is John Kimble, and I love my car.


Anyways, the parents should be charged as if they discharged a gun in the school caf.


Or whichever family member the kid got the gun from.
 
2013-08-22 05:52:20 PM  

sheep snorter: FTA: the gun went off around 7:40 a.m. at Westside Elementary School in Frayser. Police were called around 8:30 a.m.

Yea lets call the security guards first and try to keep this shiat quiet and damn who the hell pushed the parental notification button!!!!

/Security guards(even if you let them have guns and torture spray) are not cops, so quit trying to hide your schools crimes away from the public and the real police.


At my school the "guards" were actual factual police. Could be the cases here too...
 
2013-08-22 05:52:32 PM  
I'm sure the Fark Militia Legal Defense Team will be here soon to argue that an innocent misunderstanding shouldn't lead to anyone losing their most important of all constitutional rights.
 
2013-08-22 05:52:46 PM  
Charge the parents for negligence and child endangerment.  Make responsible gun owners, you know, responsible for their gun ownership?

/nah, gun owners don't want that sort of accountability
 
2013-08-22 05:54:06 PM  

Ned Stark: sheep snorter: FTA: the gun went off around 7:40 a.m. at Westside Elementary School in Frayser. Police were called around 8:30 a.m.

Yea lets call the security guards first and try to keep this shiat quiet and damn who the hell pushed the parental notification button!!!!

/Security guards(even if you let them have guns and torture spray) are not cops, so quit trying to hide your schools crimes away from the public and the real police.

At my school the "guards" were actual factual police. Could be the cases here too...


I have yet to hear of any public school where the school resource officer wasn't a police officer. I've heard of it in private schools but not public schools.
 
2013-08-22 05:59:59 PM  

asmodeus224: Charge the parents for negligence and child endangerment. Make responsible gun owners, you know, responsible for their gun ownership?


Compare and contrast:  the difference between a rational response (yours) and "the only solution to this is MOAR LAWS!"
 
2013-08-22 06:04:30 PM  

asmodeus224: Charge the parents for negligence and child endangerment.  Make responsible gun owners, you know, responsible for their gun ownership?

/nah, gun owners don't want that sort of accountability


My money is on the person that owns the gun is a gangbanger, not a "responsible gun owner"

Would you consider a rapist a "responsible pro creator"?


But anywho....sure...charge the "owner" of the gun....if nobody cops to owning it charge everyone who lives in the house.

/responsible gun owner
 
2013-08-22 06:04:57 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Listen up, libs. All we need are more cops at that school. And I know just the man for the job...

[img23.imageshack.us image 550x308]


Who is your daddy and what does he do?
 
2013-08-22 06:08:30 PM  

GoldSpider: Piizzadude: RottNDude: Here we go again...

This could be rather easily stopped

Yup, just pass some laws.


Just one, and it would be called an admendment
 
2013-08-22 06:36:51 PM  
But if we take guns away from adults, then only kids will have guns. Have you ever run across  a 4-year-old who is in the middle of a chocolate binge? You best be armed if you do.
 
2013-08-22 06:42:06 PM  

Giltric: My money is on the person that owns the gun is a gangbanger, not a "responsible gun owner"


Considering that there's no consensus, much less a law, on the necessity of keeping guns unloaded/away from children/locked away/etc. when not in use, it seems like pretty much every gun owner is a "responsible gun owner" until they shoot someone.
 
2013-08-22 06:52:52 PM  

Whiskey Pete: redmid17: Whiskey Pete: sugar_fetus: sendtodave: I don't really understand ... well, less every day as I get older.

One of the things I don't understand is the argument that "we don't need more laws, we just need more enforcement (of existing laws)."

What, really, is the difference?  Seems that enforcing existing laws that were laxly enforced is, more or less, the same thing as a new law.  You didn't have to worry about this activity being illegal before.  Now you do.

An unenforced law does nothing at all. Why bother passing more laws when you don't enforce the ones that already exist?

Exactly what law was not enforced here?

This one:  http://www.state.tn.us/tccy/tnchild/39/39-17-1319.htm

SEE? EXACTLY!  DID THAT 5 YEAR OLD NOT READ THIS???


Parent should be held accountable. That's the purpose of the law.
 
2013-08-22 07:17:10 PM  

The Name: Giltric: My money is on the person that owns the gun is a gangbanger, not a "responsible gun owner"

Considering that there's no consensus, much less a law, on the necessity of keeping guns unloaded/away from children/locked away/etc. when not in use, it seems like pretty much every gun owner is a "responsible gun owner" until they shoot someone.


Every man is a responsible man. Until they rape someone. Ban penii.
 
2013-08-22 07:21:38 PM  

What Daddy does in the backyard
 
2013-08-22 07:22:18 PM  
gif was too big.  Never mind.
 
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