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2013-08-22 05:45:13 PM  

WTF Indeed: [resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.


fayinc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-22 06:28:38 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.


What is a false ideal?
 
2013-08-22 06:42:15 PM  

FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.


www.startrek.com

Go for Romulan, it's classier.
 
2013-08-22 06:47:54 PM  

Grungehamster: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).

He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.

Just to clarify: Manning contacted WikiLeaks in November 2009. The documents were downloaded sometime in January 2010 and sent the information to WikiLeaks in February of the same year.  WikiLeaks posted the video on April 5 2010. On April 24 2010 Manning contacted Master Sergeant Paul Adkins and let their superior office know that they were suffering gender dysphoria and attached a picture in which Manning was dressed as a female (a communication that the Master Sergeant kept secret for fear of him getting a DADT discharge or possible harassment if the picture got out). No one was aware he was the source of the leak until May 25 2010, a month later.

It's entirely possible that this was all a trick developed by Manning to get sympathy, but I somehow doubt it. Based on her statements made between then and her arrest it seems that she did feel alienated, and expressed to many people worries about gender dysphoria. I'm skeptical that was the reason behind the leak and it isn't an excuse for it, but at the very least we should try to understand that respecting someone's wishes on gender identity is basic human courtesy.


S/he has also contacted Zinnia Jones, a prominent transgender atheist, who has aided hir throughout hir incarceration. She (former he, has completed transition) just gave a couple of interviews about hir.

/Yes, S/he and hir. Works for Peter David, works for me.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:33 PM  
Dammit, it's high time Fark introduced a STUPIDEST button to go along with the other two. Tired comments such as willfully obscure's.practically demand it.

/ surprised  South Park shark fin image hasn't yet made an appearance.
/ don't get any ideas, you yobs.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:46 PM  
NOW... Deal with THIS!
Cha CHAAAA!

clatl.com
 
2013-08-22 07:00:50 PM  

IlGreven: S/he has also contacted Zinnia Jones, a prominent transgender atheist, who has aided hir throughout hir incarceration. She (former he, has completed transition) just gave a couple of interviews about hir.

/Yes, S/he and hir. Works for Peter David, works for me.


Have a genderqueer friend who goes by ze and hir (though ze accepts "they" or "their" as acceptable substitutes.) Can be tricky at times, but you make do.
 
2013-08-22 07:09:53 PM  
My greatest concern here is that this development will serve to dumb down the discussion of both Manning and transgenderism. Popular and societal discussion, not Fark discussion.
 
2013-08-22 07:10:54 PM  

wasteofspace: WTF Indeed: [resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.

[fayinc.files.wordpress.com image 500x271]


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2011/0907/Zimbabwe-WikiLeaks-c ab les-reveal-Mugabe-s-inner-circle-talking-with-US
 
2013-08-22 07:24:49 PM  
"It will, at the very least, make a difference to Manning. Gender dysphoria is a classified medical disorder, and the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which has jurisdiction over the military court in Maryland, where Manning was sentenced, has recognized that. In a unanimous decision in January, a three-judge panel concluded that denying a transgender prisoner a sex-change operation amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

But Fort Leavenworth, the military prison where Manning's attorney, David Coombs, says she is likely to be incarcerated, does not guarantee this right. The spokeswoman there, Kimberly Lewis, has made it clear that the facility does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery, or any treatment beyond psychiatric care. Manning has asked for hope from her supporters. Hope is one thing. There is not much they can do."

(source: The New Yorker, "Accepting Chelsea Manning")
 
2013-08-22 07:29:46 PM  
www.spacetekwelding.com
 
2013-08-22 07:45:55 PM  
If this had not been such a well known person, I would have guessed he got a PA.
 
2013-08-22 08:19:52 PM  
That is like the Zodiac Spear of headlines. I laughed, subby
 
2013-08-22 09:41:45 PM  

ManateeGag: lafong: The only injections this clown should get art he lethal variety, But great headline subby!

I think killing him for being stupid isn't the right move.

I also don't think the US tax payers should be paying for this guy's gender reassignment procedures.


You're paying for her housing, food, heating, plumbing, guarding, and many more expenses for many decades to come. Even when I didn't have health insurance hormone therapy only ran me under a dollar a day. Even surgeries only fall in the five digits (14k for me after most expenses, done out of the US). That is an absolute pittance to the government. To put it into perspective of my government job, (I acknowledge that county level budgeting is completely removed from DOJ) the government spends about that much to put in a half a dozen trash cans at our schools.

It isn't as if reversing the transphobic policies here and with most insurance companies would lead to a deluge of people having their bits cut up just because it would be cheaper.
 
2013-08-22 09:53:43 PM  

runcible spork: Dammit, it's high time Fark introduced a STUPIDEST button to go along with the other two. Tired comments such as willfully obscure's.practically demand it.



2.bp.blogspot.com
u mad bro?

I thought "militarinormative" was pretty darn funny if I do say so myself.
 
2013-08-22 10:02:08 PM  
Meh, unimpressed.
 
2013-08-22 10:53:46 PM  
SUBBY...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-22 11:04:51 PM  
Late to the party, but may I admire the subby's magnificence?
 
2013-08-22 11:25:47 PM  

Sandwyrm: PunGent:

What you ask is impossible to produce, for many reasons.  The three that immediately come to mind are:


Nope.  If the stuff was released on the net, and was used to harm someone, the harm has ALREADY BEEN DONE...so they could use that material at trial without further harm.   They didn't, ergo...people who make this claim are mostly full of crap, or trying to justify their own jobs in the security bureaucracy.

1) Even if classified material is released, it is against the law to repost it/provide access to it.

Which any fifth grader could tell you is retarded.

2) The people who know enough specific details about the true extent of the damage this clown did will not endanger their oaths just to prove to a random stranger on the internet the consequences of an idiotic course of action such as Manning's.

Horseshiat.  You're presuming your own conclusion again.

3) The hostiles who acted on leaked information are generally not media savvy enough to advertise this.  Or, if they are, they would likely prefer to be thought of as omnipotent more than the US be thought of as incompetent.  They primarily rule through intimidation

Name one.

You likely have no clue the kind of information included in SIGACTS.  You don't understand just how much detail some intel reports go into, and how much they mean to both the people who collect the information and the people who the said information is about.

I know you can't have a secure system with three MILLION users.  Anyone with a basic knowledge of human nature and fundamental statistics could tell you that...but that would mean they're over-qualified for intelligence work, apparently.

I understand why you question it when people show disgust at his actions and are unable to provide proof.  I'd like to think I'm a scientist in training and I demand proof for anything I'm told to believe in myself.  If nothing else, I ask that you allow the possibility that the damage he did has been swept under the rug just as the more distasteful incidents he exposed has been.  To show the true extent of his betrayal would actually harm more assets than do any good.

He's one man, and he can rot.  It just irks me that the same kind of reasonable people who are usually right about demanding proof for statements and a fully explored reason for some people's hate to this individual are going to be wrong about this incident because they will never know, can never know.


In other words, no proof he harmed anybody.  Like I said.
It's astounding how many nominally small government "conservative" types are suddenly willing to suspend presumption of innocence...not to mention all rational analysis....just because some bureaucrat stamps something "Top Secret".

This kind of crap is how useless intel got stovepiped into the White House, and got us into Iraq.
But THOSE guys didn't get charged with anything; fark, they probably got promoted.

I don't have a problem with Manning's sentence, but I still think Le Carre was right;  post-war intel services have been a hugely counterproductive waste of money in the last few decades.

Go ahead...give me one good example of something helpful they've done, since WWII, to justify their billions per year.
Let me guess:  it's all classified :)
 
2013-08-23 12:16:43 AM  
PunGent:

You refuse to accept the most basic premise of their work and sit back smug feeling like you've proved something.  The equivalent to stating DNA doesn't exist, therefore how are physical traits hereditary?

In response to your point regarding the 3 million, I accept that it's a definite stretch of the imagination to accept that there are no leaks anywhere else.  I can admit that people let slip bits and pieces, but most of the damage from that is minimal.  What he did was release an entire database, searchable and storeable.  Significantly more useful and dangerous than scuttlebutt from some bored Private.

This is why the oaths they ask us to swear to are so important.  This is why you give your word of honor.  This word is usually seen as a joke, a punchline, a tired and trite holdover from ages past that wannabees still pretend to understand.  This perception is wrong, utterly wrong.

Maybe you and I don't speak the same language, figuratively.  You don't give the same weight to that which I consider important, due to the different life you took.  To those who actually participated in this system, who see things from the perspective of the intelligence establishment, his guilt is undeniable and unforgivable and is a stain on us all.
 
2013-08-23 12:29:49 AM  
good headline
 
2013-08-23 01:08:44 AM  

ManateeGag: until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.


Until he finishes the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

Just because you pass your Boobies-grad class, it doesn't make you a PhD. Not even if you have degree dysphoria.
 
2013-08-23 01:23:11 AM  
I'm coming into this thread kinda late but wtf:

Is he (I won't call him a she) going to live as a heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual woman?

More importantly, why don't we just tell these transwhatever pansies to shove it up their See You Next Tuesdays.

/ not feeling compassionate this evening
// the pussification of America continues
 
2013-08-23 01:54:53 AM  
HOTY

www.archives.gov
 
2013-08-23 07:57:36 AM  
 
2013-08-23 08:53:19 AM  

PerilousApricot: Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes. Actually my answer should have been no, I didn't read that comment close enough.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.

What is a false ideal?

 
2013-08-23 09:15:35 AM  

Death Whisper: PerilousApricot: Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes. Actually my answer should have been no, I didn't read that comment close enough.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.

What is a false ideal?


Communism
 
2013-08-23 09:56:08 AM  
Really, is anyone surprised?

cdni.wired.co.uk
blogs.babble.com
 
2013-08-23 10:13:15 AM  

Sandwyrm: PunGent:

You refuse to accept the most basic premise of their work and sit back smug feeling like you've proved something.  The equivalent to stating DNA doesn't exist, therefore how are physical traits hereditary?


Nope, not smug...I'm just the poor sucker of a taxpayer who has to pay for it all.  I'd like some assurance I'm getting a fraction of my money's worth, beyond a Lisa-Simpson like assurance that the magic rock is keeping the tigers away.

In response to your point regarding the 3 million, I accept that it's a definite stretch of the imagination to accept that there are no leaks anywhere else.  I can admit that people let slip bits and pieces, but most of the damage from that is minimal.  What he did was release an entire database, searchable and storeable.  Significantly more useful and dangerous than scuttlebutt from some bored Private.

The problem isn't that Manning was a rare whackjob with serious issues.  The problem is that it's statistically almost certain that there's someone much worse than Manning on that system, right now.  The easiest, cheapest solution I see...is don't classify so much crap.  Given my experience with bureaucracy...that's the one thing that won't happen, though.

This is why the oaths they ask us to swear to are so important.  This is why you give your word of honor.  This word is usually seen as a joke, a punchline, a tired and trite holdover from ages past that wannabees still pretend to understand.  This perception is wrong, utterly wrong.

No, I respect the oaths, really.   Took a couple myself, to uphold the Constitution, once in the Reserves, and again when I was sworn in as an attorney.  And I respect those who serve in your field...for the most part.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to be critical of what I perceive to be a bloated, inefficient chunk of government.

There's a lot of brave, dedicated DEA guys too...but that doesn't change my opinion that the War on Drugs is a huge waste of money.

Maybe you and I don't speak the same language, figuratively.  You don't give the same weight to that which I consider important, due to the different life you took.  To those who actually participated in this system, who see things from the perspective of the intelligence establishment, his guilt is undeniable and unforgivable and is a stain on us all.

"There is nothing more difficult than to get a man to understand something that his salary depends on him not understanding."
 
2013-08-23 12:47:30 PM  
Nice try, but Julian Assange STILL won't sleep with you.
 
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