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(Al Jazeera)   Manning's future leaks will be done sitting down   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 180
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2013-08-22 11:57:34 AM  
Ok, Admins, please green this with the repeat tag.

This is HOTY material
 
2013-08-22 11:59:03 AM  
31.media.tumblr.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-08-22 12:00:23 PM  
This is a better headline than the earlier one.
 
2013-08-22 12:07:39 PM  
Now THAT's a proper Fark headline.
 
2013-08-22 12:11:02 PM  
Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF
 
2013-08-22 12:35:34 PM  
Well down, subby, well done.
 
2013-08-22 12:36:54 PM  
That's some headlining right there.
 
2013-08-22 12:36:55 PM  

The Broncos are screwed this year.

ries.typepad.com

"Miss me yet?"
 
2013-08-22 12:37:42 PM  
I'm in a meeting right now and just got a stern look from the boss because I let out a chuckle. HOTY candidate.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:53 PM  

cman: Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF


Subby is a not a TFer. If subby shows up here and takes credit for the headline I'll confirm it
 
2013-08-22 12:38:06 PM  

cman: Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF


I'll second this.
 
2013-08-22 12:38:08 PM  
Isn't this just a duplicate of a joke from the original thread? As a "liter" I don't know how long ago this was submitted.
 
2013-08-22 12:38:49 PM  

cman: Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF


I still say that all submissions should have the name of the submitter on 'em.
 
2013-08-22 12:39:49 PM  
I'm not subby, but I'll pull an Assange and take credit for all the work someone else did.
 
2013-08-22 12:39:50 PM  
Geez, what a sleazy headline. Is Matt Drudge in the house?
 
2013-08-22 12:40:00 PM  
"I'm Dyin' here..."
-Al Pacino
 
2013-08-22 12:40:05 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: cman: Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF

I still say that all submissions should have the name of the submitter on 'em.


Judge a headline on merit, not on who submitted it.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:45 PM  
And this is why women shouldn't be allowed in the military.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:45 PM  
static.guim.co.uk


Id hit it, hope she doesn't have those sharp knees
 
2013-08-22 12:40:46 PM  
So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:49 PM  
Seriously though, that headline is a thing of beauty. You should take the rest of the day off, Subby.
 
2013-08-22 12:41:19 PM  

cman: Curious, can an admin come in and tell us if the Subby is a lighter or not? If the subby is, I really would like to sponsor them for TF


I'm a lighter.

arknow.net
 
2013-08-22 12:42:53 PM  
Wait is this true?
/If so I just had a TIL
 
2013-08-22 12:43:37 PM  
That's rather juvenile.
 
2013-08-22 12:44:01 PM  
Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?
 
2013-08-22 12:44:06 PM  
Now this is a quality headline.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:13 PM  
I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:42 PM  
It's every man's right to have a baby if he wants them.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:45 PM  
I'm a lifelong liter and not the submitter but this thread delivers.
 
2013-08-22 12:45:49 PM  

robbiex0r: So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.


Because outside the prison abuse stuff nothing of value was released
 
2013-08-22 12:46:21 PM  
Really nice work on the headline, Subby.  Go ahead and take the rest of the day off.  You've earned it.
 
2013-08-22 12:46:22 PM  
I was starting to wonder if Fark's headlines were becoming more PC/family friendly. Subby just knocked it out of the park
 
2013-08-22 12:47:49 PM  
I don't give these out to just anyone....

SUBBY......
a4-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-08-22 12:47:49 PM  
The only injections this clown should get art he lethal variety, But great headline subby!
 
2013-08-22 12:48:19 PM  
People must think I'm the crazy person on the L after the amount of laughter I just had. Well played, subs
 
2013-08-22 12:48:45 PM  

Mietsko: [static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


Id hit it, hope she doesn't have those sharp knees


Or a vagina, apparently...

/And it 52nd the motion. Nice headline, Subby!
 
2013-08-22 12:48:48 PM  
Free Republic is as sane as always on the subject:


This crazy summabiatch comes up with "I am really a woman, and I want to be called Chelsea", and already NBC is calling the fool "her".

This is a man, crazy as a June bug, but a man , and no amount of surgery Hormone treatments, mutilation or anything else will make him a woman.

He may be even uglier than Chelsea Clinton, but he is still biologically a man.



Living proof that "gays in the military" are not to be trusted with national security and never should be, for reasons that have more to do with their psychological instability.


So now this confused individual will become much sought after by journalists. I only hope the army will restrict visits by the press.

For any liberal reading this. There is no such thing as a sex change operation. Sex is written in the chromosomes. No one can change his/her/its chromosomes. Taking hormones doesn't change it. Cutting off or grafting organs doesn't change it.

Will the army put him in a women's prison? A men's?

Regardless, he/she/it will be out of prison in 5 years.
 
2013-08-22 12:49:32 PM  
Bravo sir, bravo.
 
2013-08-22 12:49:42 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.


Nah, this isn't anything new.  In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).
 
2013-08-22 12:50:22 PM  

lafong: The only injections this clown should get art he lethal variety, But great headline subby!


I think killing him for being stupid isn't the right move.

I also don't think the US tax payers should be paying for this guy's gender reassignment procedures.
 
2013-08-22 12:52:09 PM  
His guards will henceforth be called "Chelsea Handler".
 
2013-08-22 12:52:18 PM  
Well done subby!!!!!
 
2013-08-22 12:52:32 PM  
I must be from the future without knowing it. I was sure I knew about this for months now and yet everyone else is treating this like new information.

/Serious didn't we already know this about Manning?
// Am I from the future?
 
2013-08-22 12:54:21 PM  

comhcinc: I must be from the future without knowing it. I was sure I knew about this for months now and yet everyone else is treating this like new information.

/Serious didn't we already know this about Manning?
// Am I from the future?


Your first mistake was to come here looking for news.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:35 PM  
On an unrelated note - hey, an All Jazzera link! I work with a bunch of rednecks, and yesterday I had fun trolling them with the news that AJAM is available on our local cable network. Oh, the hue and cry that arose from my office... it was truly enjoyable.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:50 PM  

ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?


Yes.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:55 PM  
Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).


He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.
 
2013-08-22 12:55:40 PM  
We can finally put to rest the question of weather this guy is another screwed up loser looking for attention or a hero of some kind protecting our freedom.

Add one to the loser column.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:03 PM  
that is how you headline
 
2013-08-22 12:56:27 PM  
So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.
 
2013-08-22 12:57:31 PM  

LAWriter: Geez, what a sleazy headline. Is Matt Drudge in the house?


The whole point of Fark headlines is to find who can come up with the best wordplay and silliness. I seriously doubt that subby was trying to make an actual insult, which is what the Drudges and Freepers of the world do when they attempt comedy. "Hurr woman's Cadillac breaks down on way to retrieve welfare check hurr."
 
2013-08-22 12:57:43 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.


I don't know that this is making a mockery of anyone but Manning. To my eyes it looks more than anything like a Twinkie defense that didn't pay off.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:18 PM  

comhcinc: I must be from the future without knowing it. I was sure I knew about this for months now and yet everyone else is treating this like new information.

/Serious didn't we already know this about Manning?
// Am I from the future?


I knew about it too (as I mentioned above), but in fairness, much about this story other than the main "headlines" about it has been suppressed by the media and others, so it's not surprising that this fact is not common knowledge among those who haven't followed the story very closely.  In fact, even the big "headlines" sometimes don't receive their due attention--for example, the story about Manning's sentence, which one would think would be big news, was on about page 12 of my city's newpaper this morning rather than on the front page.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:50 PM  

robbiex0r: So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.


Manning was really only interested in getting his own whistle blown.  What he leaked got people killed and what he leaked didn't show any pattern of illegal conduct.  It was just stuff that was embarrassing.

Compare that with Snowden who does seem to have shown a light on illegal activities by the NSA.

As for hormone treatment while in prison, screw that.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:53 PM  

FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.


until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:30 PM  
Thank you subby.
 
2013-08-22 01:02:14 PM  

FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.


Plastic surgery. If you have enough money, you can look like whoever you want to. Some Asians get surgery to look more "Western", I'm sure there's a reverse surgery.

/can't help with the stupid
//totally down with the trans
 
2013-08-22 01:07:08 PM  

ManateeGag: until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.


He will never really be a she, just a he with mutilated genitalia.

It's his body so I don't care but I don't want my tax dollars wasted on it.
 
2013-08-22 01:08:55 PM  
This thread started as a tribute to subby and subby's excellent headline and then evolved into tranny bashing.

I know I know, Welcome to Fark
 
2013-08-22 01:09:11 PM  

hitlersbrain: It's his body so I don't care but I don't want my tax dollars wasted on it.


On this we agree.  Gender reassignment is not needed for him to stay alive.  Taxpayers should not be paying for elective surgery.
 
2013-08-22 01:11:24 PM  

Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes.


No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.
 
2013-08-22 01:11:41 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: His guards will henceforth be called "Chelsea Handler".


Not funny.
 
2013-08-22 01:12:18 PM  

cman: tranny


looks like you blew a tranny.

nah, it's just a little ice cream.
 
2013-08-22 01:12:20 PM  

cman: This thread started as a tribute to subby and subby's excellent headline and then evolved into tranny bashing.

I know I know, Welcome to Fark


So you are saying this thread would be better with less dick?
 
2013-08-22 01:12:49 PM  
Not exactly something you usually want to announce before going to prison, is it?
 
2013-08-22 01:13:24 PM  
Headline win. So much headline win.
 
2013-08-22 01:13:54 PM  

ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.


Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.
 
2013-08-22 01:17:42 PM  

jst3p: Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.


Rainbows and Uni-Corns!
 
2013-08-22 01:18:44 PM  

jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.


I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.
 
2013-08-22 01:20:28 PM  

ManateeGag: jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.

I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.


I should have said sexual identity. It's OK though, you don't have to understand everything.
 
2013-08-22 01:21:18 PM  
ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?
 
2013-08-22 01:21:27 PM  

Cyberluddite: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new.  In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).


because women are stupid and prone to doing anything for a mans love? ( including betraying their country)
 
2013-08-22 01:22:48 PM  

Andrew Wiggin: cman: tranny

looks like you blew a tranny.

nah, it's just a little ice cream.


I heard it as "looks like you blew a seal," but yours may be better.
 
2013-08-22 01:23:07 PM  
Why are you always on about women, Stan?
 
2013-08-22 01:23:11 PM  

jst3p: ManateeGag: jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.

I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

I should have said sexual identity. It's OK though, you don't have to understand everything.


when why don't you enlighten us all, since you are obviously superior.
 
2013-08-22 01:23:14 PM  
Tough crap Manning. Lots of people want lots of things. Part of the jail "thing" is that you don't get what you want, just barely what you need. You can kiss my shiny metal ass.
 
2013-08-22 01:23:20 PM  

jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.


yeah.. err... I identify as a woman too.  Soo.. its okay to go into the girls locker room now right?
 
2013-08-22 01:24:10 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?


what does it have to do with hate?  not understanding something is not the same as hatred.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:03 PM  

ManateeGag: jst3p: ManateeGag: jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.

I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

I should have said sexual identity. It's OK though, you don't have to understand everything.

when why don't you enlighten us all, since you are obviously superior.



http://tinyurl.com/myz87jt

The information is all over the place, if you don't "get it" in this day and age it is because you don't want to.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:10 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?

what does it have to do with hate?  not understanding something is not the same as hatred.


Except this doesn't stop at just not understanding something. It goes all the way to "I don't understand it, therefore I don't have to show any respect for people who may be."
 
2013-08-22 01:26:39 PM  
srlp.org
Approves
 
2013-08-22 01:27:35 PM  

Andrew Wiggin: cman: tranny

looks like you blew a tranny.


Driving a Chrysler product?
 
2013-08-22 01:27:50 PM  

kvinesknows: jst3p: ManateeGag: FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.

until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

I never got the "I want to be refereed to as a woman, so that makes me a woman" stuff.

Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.

yeah.. err... I identify as a woman too.  Soo.. its okay to go into the girls locker room now right?


I agree, deciding how to deal with the fact that gender identity and sexual identity are not always in sync is a complicated subject.
 
2013-08-22 01:29:27 PM  

ShadowKamui: robbiex0r: So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.

Because outside the prison abuse stuff nothing of value was released


http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3788126

I'd say not.
 
2013-08-22 01:29:58 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?

what does it have to do with hate?  not understanding something is not the same as hatred.


you were saying hurtful and ignorant things but claim that you understand the difference between gender and sex. Either you don't understand or you're a bigot. Which is it?
 
2013-08-22 01:32:24 PM  
I'm glad to see Manning exercising zir's relatively high-extreme normative class and race privileges to start ou's transition in such a supportive setting.

However, as a transethnic autistic pangender asexual genderqueer demiromantic otherkin(cat genera), I'm afraid there's just not a lot of support out there for me and my kind. We are actually oppressed unlike white middle class folks with access to top-notch medical care and facilities like ze has thanks to zir's service in the Army. I could never, ever serve in the Army thanks to my innate nature as a class and race ally to people opressed by te US around the world. It would literally disable me.

So I think a little recognition of my daily struggles with psychonormative, militarinormative, heteronormative, homonormative, transnormative, ethnonormative, ableist, racist, classist, sizest, speciest attitudes that can make my life a living hell is well deserved before we have to cater to a tranny like Manning.

Manning's kind of mild oppression doesn't even register for me on the daily, y'all. I'm in real pain here.
 
2013-08-22 01:33:53 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?

what does it have to do with hate?  not understanding something is not the same as hatred.

you were saying hurtful and ignorant things but claim that you understand the difference between gender and sex. Either you don't understand or you're a bigot. Which is it?


maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.
 
2013-08-22 01:35:01 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).

He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.


Because it fuels transphobia, seems like a desperate insanity plea, is unlikely to work, and isn't symbolic or martyring like the whistleblower defense.
 
2013-08-22 01:35:11 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
I understand there's a difference between sexuality and gender.

so you just hate trans people then?

what does it have to do with hate?  not understanding something is not the same as hatred.

you were saying hurtful and ignorant things but claim that you understand the difference between gender and sex. Either you don't understand or you're a bigot. Which is it?

maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.


TOLERATE MY INTOLERANCE!!!
 
2013-08-22 01:39:05 PM  

willfullyobscure: I'm glad to see Manning exercising zir's relatively high-extreme normative class and race privileges to start ou's transition in such a supportive setting.

However, as a transethnic autistic pangender asexual genderqueer demiromantic otherkin(cat genera), I'm afraid there's just not a lot of support out there for me and my kind. We are actually oppressed unlike white middle class folks with access to top-notch medical care and facilities like ze has thanks to zir's service in the Army. I could never, ever serve in the Army thanks to my innate nature as a class and race ally to people opressed by te US around the world. It would literally disable me.

So I think a little recognition of my daily struggles with psychonormative, militarinormative, heteronormative, homonormative, transnormative, ethnonormative, ableist, racist, classist, sizest, speciest attitudes that can make my life a living hell is well deserved before we have to cater to a tranny like Manning.

Manning's kind of mild oppression doesn't even register for me on the daily, y'all. I'm in real pain here.


FREAK!
 
2013-08-22 01:41:25 PM  
media1.giphy.com

Le mot juste!
 
2013-08-22 01:43:55 PM  
ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.
 
2013-08-22 01:45:45 PM  
Chelsea Manning as a dude is still better looking than Chelsea Clinton will ever be.
 
2013-08-22 01:45:52 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices uncontrollable feelings about their personal sexual identity could possibly be hurtful.

 
2013-08-22 01:45:56 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.


Hey

You are getting too worked up over this.
 
2013-08-22 01:46:33 PM  

ManateeGag: Gender reassignment is not needed for him to stay alive.


You're wrong.  Transgender people will often kill themselves if they aren't able to live as the gender we feel ourselves to be.  I have to fight off suicidal thoughts all the time caused just by the feeling that I'm female.
 
2013-08-22 01:47:18 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.


because I didn't think I WAS belittling anyone.  since that is the case, I apologize for being offensive and will try to do a better job of being more respectful in the future.
 
2013-08-22 01:52:23 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.

because I didn't think I WAS belittling anyone.  since that is the case, I apologize for being offensive and will try to do a better job of being more respectful in the future.


it's cool. This is a big deal for some people
 
2013-08-22 01:53:35 PM  
Too bad for him there's no way he gets what he wants. I'll sleep just a little bit better knowing that this loser is suffering even more beyond being locked up.
 
2013-08-22 01:53:59 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.

because I didn't think I WAS belittling anyone.  since that is the case, I apologize for being offensive and will try to do a better job of being more respectful in the future.

it's cool. This is a big deal for some people


There are a lot of bigots on this site. ManteeGag isn't one of them.
 
2013-08-22 01:57:43 PM  

ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.

because I didn't think I WAS belittling anyone.  since that is the case, I apologize for being offensive and will try to do a better job of being more respectful in the future.


sorry if I overdid it a bit
 
2013-08-22 02:00:58 PM  

Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag: Voiceofreason01: ManateeGag:
maybe I just don't understand that it IS hurtful. so instead of calling me a farking bigot, maybe help correct the offending behavior without resulting to being hurtful yourself.

because who would have thought that belittling someone else's personal choices could possibly be hurtful.

because I didn't think I WAS belittling anyone.  since that is the case, I apologize for being offensive and will try to do a better job of being more respectful in the future.

sorry if I overdid it a bit


it's alright.
 
2013-08-22 02:01:16 PM  
That is a beautiful headline subby.  good jorb.
 
2013-08-22 02:01:43 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).

He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.


Just to clarify: Manning contacted WikiLeaks in November 2009. The documents were downloaded sometime in January 2010 and sent the information to WikiLeaks in February of the same year.  WikiLeaks posted the video on April 5 2010. On April 24 2010 Manning contacted Master Sergeant Paul Adkins and let their superior office know that they were suffering gender dysphoria and attached a picture in which Manning was dressed as a female (a communication that the Master Sergeant kept secret for fear of him getting a DADT discharge or possible harassment if the picture got out). No one was aware he was the source of the leak until May 25 2010, a month later.

It's entirely possible that this was all a trick developed by Manning to get sympathy, but I somehow doubt it. Based on her statements made between then and her arrest it seems that she did feel alienated, and expressed to many people worries about gender dysphoria. I'm skeptical that was the reason behind the leak and it isn't an excuse for it, but at the very least we should try to understand that respecting someone's wishes on gender identity is basic human courtesy.
 
2013-08-22 02:04:54 PM  
Born with a penis and testes? You are male.
Born with a vagina and ovaries? You are female.
Somewhere in between? Take your pick.
Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.
 
2013-08-22 02:06:46 PM  

JesusJuice: Born with a penis and testes? You are male.
Born with a vagina and ovaries? You are female.
Somewhere in between? Take your pick.
Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.


so, what's Chaz Bono?  He from F to M.
 
2013-08-22 02:10:03 PM  

ManateeGag: JesusJuice: Born with a penis and testes? You are male.
Born with a vagina and ovaries? You are female.
Somewhere in between? Take your pick.
Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.

so, what's Chaz Bono?  He from F to M.


Mutilated female.
 
2013-08-22 02:11:58 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: robbiex0r: So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.

Manning was really only interested in getting his own whistle blown.  What he leaked got people killed and what he leaked didn't show any pattern of illegal conduct.  It was just stuff that was embarrassing.

Compare that with Snowden who does seem to have shown a light on illegal activities by the NSA.

As for hormone treatment while in prison, screw that.


If this is true, then why isn't that being covered?

Pretty sure that never happened.
 
2013-08-22 02:12:23 PM  
Subby, you magnificent bastard.


i1180.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 02:12:26 PM  

JesusJuice: Born with a penis and testes? You are male.
Born with a vagina and ovaries? You are female.
Somewhere in between? Take your pick.
Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.


You sound like you are well educated and an authority on sexual identity, we should believe you because you don't sound like an ignorant twit at all!
 
2013-08-22 02:19:13 PM  

jst3p: Well then you just don't understand that sexuality is more than simple biology. That's OK, lots of people are ignorant.


Fine.  I think I'm really a walrus, so I expect everyone to treat and refer to me a such.   What species I identify as is more than simple biology.
 
2013-08-22 02:21:38 PM  

JesusJuice: Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.


Feel free to advocate this position, but please understand that you are asking us to kill ourselves.  Gender dysphoria has been repeatedly shown to be untreatable with normal mental health treatments - that's why doctors even tried hormones and surgery as treatment in the first place.  Many or most of us would rather die than stay the gender we were born.
 
2013-08-22 02:30:15 PM  

Myria: JesusJuice: Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.

Feel free to advocate this position, but please understand that you are asking us to kill ourselves.  Gender dysphoria has been repeatedly shown to be untreatable with normal mental health treatments - that's why doctors even tried hormones and surgery as treatment in the first place.  Many or most of us would rather die than stay the gender we were born.


I'm not saying you shouldn't get the surgery if you want, I don't care what you do with your bodies. I'll even call you 'she' if it will avoid a scene. But ultimately, you're the gender you were born with. Reality is not subject to political correctness.

When gender reassignment can change chromosomes and allow people all the same faculties as a normally-functioning person of that gender, I'll believe gender can be changed. Until then, it's just aesthetic mutilation.
 
2013-08-22 02:33:25 PM  

JesusJuice: Myria: JesusJuice: Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.

Feel free to advocate this position, but please understand that you are asking us to kill ourselves.  Gender dysphoria has been repeatedly shown to be untreatable with normal mental health treatments - that's why doctors even tried hormones and surgery as treatment in the first place.  Many or most of us would rather die than stay the gender we were born.

I'm not saying you shouldn't get the surgery if you want, I don't care what you do with your bodies. I'll even call you 'she' if it will avoid a scene. But ultimately, you're the gender you were born with. Reality is not subject to political correctness.

When gender reassignment can change chromosomes and allow people all the same faculties as a normally-functioning person of that gender, I'll believe gender can be changed. Until then, it's just aesthetic mutilation.


I posted a link earlier that had a number of articles from scholarly sources about the difference between gender identity and sexual identity. If you don't want to come off like a mouth breathing moron I suggest you read some of them and learn something before commenting again about a subject you clearly know very little about.

Have a nice day!
 
2013-08-22 02:34:35 PM  

ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?


I sure farking hope so.  If not then let's stop the whole acceptance thing.
 
2013-08-22 02:35:02 PM  
As long as she doesn't want to have babies (just the RIGHT to have babies since she doesn't have a womb and all, which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans).

Would she have to keep her fetus in a box to gestate?
 
2013-08-22 02:37:44 PM  
There's something to be said about defining someone's gender solely by the plumbing they're born with. Even I, as a straight male, know there's more to gender identification than that.
 
2013-08-22 02:39:47 PM  

Myria: JesusJuice: Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.

Feel free to advocate this position, but please understand that you are asking us to kill ourselves.  Gender dysphoria has been repeatedly shown to be untreatable with normal mental health treatments - that's why doctors even tried hormones and surgery as treatment in the first place.  Many or most of us would rather die than stay the gender we were born.


So tempted to quote Scrooge to be a troll but I can't bring myself to do it. Seriously though: if someone concedes that gender is just as much a social construct as race, they are implicitly conceding that it's a categorization with a fluid definition. After all, we consider Slavs to be Caucasian now, don't we? Most of us consider Semites to be Caucasian as well.

I wonder how many people realize everyone is a woman initially? Early in development we all start growing as female, and then males diverge due to changing chemical signals sent by the Y chromosome. Theoretically you could be given prenatal treatment to develop differently than your genetic makeup would suggest, and plenty of intersex people are born assuming they are the opposite of what they actually are.
 
2013-08-22 02:42:31 PM  

Grungehamster: After all, we consider Slavs to be Caucasian now, don't we? Most of us consider Semites to be Caucasian as well.


there are a lot of people who use "white" and Caucasian" interchangeably.
 
2013-08-22 02:52:05 PM  

ManateeGag: Grungehamster: After all, we consider Slavs to be Caucasian now, don't we? Most of us consider Semites to be Caucasian as well.

there are a lot of people who use "white" and Caucasian" interchangeably.


Yep, but that's because for the modern person they are synonymous. We white people have a marvelous ability to transition from considering someone to be a member of a different race only to slowly treat them as part of our ethnic subgroup. Very rarely these days will you hear about someone being considered a different race due to their Irish, Greek, or Russian ethnic heritage. All white people now, and it's always adjusting so we can expect more in the future.
 
2013-08-22 02:53:08 PM  

ManateeGag: Grungehamster: After all, we consider Slavs to be Caucasian now, don't we? Most of us consider Semites to be Caucasian as well.

there are a lot of people who use "white" and Caucasian" interchangeably.


It's racist to do so!
 
2013-08-22 03:11:30 PM  
Subby here.  I'm glad my first green was so well received.

Thanks for the TF guys.
 
2013-08-22 03:15:54 PM  

Frankentots: Subby here.  I'm glad my first green was so well received.

Thanks for the TF guys.


That's what happens when you make us spit out our morning coffee.
 
2013-08-22 03:17:08 PM  

SpectroBoy: Tough crap Manning. Lots of people want lots of things. Part of the jail "thing" is that you don't get what you want, just barely what you need. You can kiss my shiny metal ass.


Yup. He can want in one hand and crap in the other, and see which fills up first.
 
2013-08-22 03:22:11 PM  

Frankentots: Subby here.  I'm glad my first green was so well received.

Thanks for the TF guys.


First green is probably going to be your best.  it's all down hill from here.
 
2013-08-22 03:24:48 PM  

Frankentots: Subby here.  I'm glad my first green was so well received.

Thanks for the TF guys.


Well done good sir and/or* ma'am, well done.

*not meant as any sort of disrespect vis a vis the debate within yon thread.
 
2013-08-22 03:27:04 PM  

ManateeGag: First green is probably going to be your best. it's all down hill from here.


Yep.  May as well uninstall now.
 
2013-08-22 03:35:43 PM  

Fubegra: Andrew Wiggin: cman: tranny

looks like you blew a tranny.

Driving a Chrysler product?


That is a really weird way to spell "Cadillac".
 
2013-08-22 03:50:38 PM  
Can a transgendered person join the military and be classified under their chosen (not birth) gender?

If I used the wrong terminology, I apologize.

Didn't the Olympics just change their policy?
 
2013-08-22 03:54:45 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: robbiex0r: So glad the media continues to report on his gender identity and not on any of the material in the leaks.

True investigative journalism.

Manning was really only interested in getting his own whistle blown.  What he leaked got people killed and what he leaked didn't show any pattern of illegal conduct.  It was just stuff that was embarrassing.


As others above have noted, CITATION NEEDED.

I don't think Manning's sentence was necessarily out of line, but nobody's been able to show a single American even injured, let alone killed, by the leak. afaik.

Heck, show me a noogie, a wedgie, SOMETHING.   You guys got zip so far on that score.

And no, embarrassing some sectors of the government doesn't count.
 
2013-08-22 03:56:55 PM  

Frankentots: Subby here.  I'm glad my first green was so well received.

Thanks for the TF guys.


Great jorb;  keep it up!
 
2013-08-22 04:06:40 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).

He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.


Yeah, Manning sure showed them.  Meanwhile Assange is enjoying  steak/frites while Chelsea hangs around Leavenworth for a decade or so waiting for " her" Big Chicken Dinner.
 
2013-08-22 04:15:53 PM  

jst3p: JesusJuice: Myria: JesusJuice: Lop your penis off and surgically alter yourself to look more female? You are a mutilated male.

I understand that gender is a social construct. Race is also a social construct, but no one would argue that you can change your race.

Feel free to advocate this position, but please understand that you are asking us to kill ourselves.  Gender dysphoria has been repeatedly shown to be untreatable with normal mental health treatments - that's why doctors even tried hormones and surgery as treatment in the first place.  Many or most of us would rather die than stay the gender we were born.

I'm not saying you shouldn't get the surgery if you want, I don't care what you do with your bodies. I'll even call you 'she' if it will avoid a scene. But ultimately, you're the gender you were born with. Reality is not subject to political correctness.

When gender reassignment can change chromosomes and allow people all the same faculties as a normally-functioning person of that gender, I'll believe gender can be changed. Until then, it's just aesthetic mutilation.

I posted a link earlier that had a number of articles from scholarly sources about the difference between gender identity and sexual identity. If you don't want to come off like a mouth breathing moron I suggest you read some of them and learn something before commenting again about a subject you clearly know very little about.

Have a nice day!


Scholars have written scholarly sources about homosexuality being a mental illness, how shock therapy is beneficial, and How cigarettes are completely fine for your health, too. Just because scholars of the day puke out some "Scholarly works", doesn't make it so.

That is not to say that they're wrong about gender dysphoria.  Just saying that just screaming "scholarly articles" when it comes to conditions thought to be mentally-based is kind of like screaming about the flavor of the month -- depending on which version of the book on mental illnesses you read, you may or may not be sick.  Unlike the body, there is no test or scan or qualitative analysis that can conclusively diagnose problems with the brain.  I know, I have had to deal with a lot of mental illness problems related to anxiety and depression, and in my experiences *i* know something is wrong, but i've had so many different diagnosis by different docs that it's hard to say what started it all.

Personally, I'm of the belief that a person can be whatever the hell they want to be, and it ain't my place to question. I might think you're weird for it, but what the hell do I know? i and a group of friends cosplay Firefly and put on movie-themed IDPA/IPSC shoots for grins. To you, that might be weird. I embrace weird as a state of being that separates me from all those icky norms out there.

Also, jesusJuice, stop being a dickbag. Are they telling you you have to change your gender? Have things removed or added? Live in a complete different lifestyle than you do now? No? well then go back to your own reality and leave people you don't agree with alone.  Freedom of association -- if you don't like someone or something, you DON'T HAVE TO farkING BE A PART OF IT. Myria and others aren't asking you for your goddamn permission or approval. It's their life, their body, and theirs to do as they see fit. The least you can do is be polite enough to keep your opinion to yourself and be happy for them finding what makes them happy, long as it ain't hurting you or someone else.

/and no, the automatic wincing and leg-slamming the idea of having your penis removed may cause does not qualify as harm to you or others.
//we get so caught up on the differences. If you have any goddamn honor at all, you'll follow the advice of your Lord and Savior, and love thy neighbor despite his faults.
///Norse Pagan -- readily accepts that even Thor dressed up as a woman in order to retrieve his hammer, and was OK with that.
////Loki turned himself into a female horse and bore Sleipnir, what does THAT do to your world view
//and these are my *gods*
//slashy.
 
2013-08-22 04:24:03 PM  
Dude, you're doing it wrong.  You're supposed to find religion before you're shipped off to prison, not your feminine side.
 
2013-08-22 04:25:37 PM  

Fusilier: Yeah, Manning sure showed them. Meanwhile Assange is enjoying steak/frites while Chelsea hangs around Leavenworth for a decade or so waiting for " her" Big Chicken Dinner.


considering that Assange as a private citizen is not bound by the laws and duties commensurate with military service and in particular a current TS clearance and assignment as an intel officer, the two are completely difference.

The problem with Manning insofar as a criminal prosecution, is not that he published documents per se. It's that he violated the letter of the law that he accepted first by joining the military, and then by accepting the further restrictions that TS placed upon him. By violating those articles of the UCMJ, he was liable for any criminal charges that come with it. I don't care how noble you think his act is -- he broke the law, and while he did right morally, he also has to accept the consequences of his actions.

The same with Snowden. Morally, releasing information showing the NSA's illegal activity is laudible. However, he did violate the terms of his clearance, including the legal ramifications thereof. No court, that I know of, has determined that wrapping yourself in the flag and becoming a whistleblower automatically excuses any violations of the law involved. Even the guy who did the Pentagon Papers leak was willing to accept the consequences of his actions.

/no this does not excuse the government from using legal wrangling to excessively punish any individual who did this, and so some legal protections and independent scrutiny of the government's prosecution is mandated.
//Manning's sentence, as far as I can tell, is in line with other convictions of the same types of charges, so I give props to the sentencing authority for not using this as a chance to stick it to manning.
///Honestly, Manning's mental conditions should have been evaluated and acted upon long before this became an issue at all. There are clear codes of conduct in the military, whether or not you agree with them, and if his behavior fell outside of that standard, then he should've been let go. They boot for less.
 
2013-08-22 04:29:36 PM  
PunGent:

What you ask is impossible to produce, for many reasons.  The three that immediately come to mind are:

1) Even if classified material is released, it is against the law to repost it/provide access to it.
2) The people who know enough specific details about the true extent of the damage this clown did will not endanger their oaths just to prove to a random stranger on the internet the consequences of an idiotic course of action such as Manning's.
3) The hostiles who acted on leaked information are generally not media savvy enough to advertise this.  Or, if they are, they would likely prefer to be thought of as omnipotent more than the US be thought of as incompetent.  They primarily rule through intimidation

You likely have no clue the kind of information included in SIGACTS.  You don't understand just how much detail some intel reports go into, and how much they mean to both the people who collect the information and the people who the said information is about.

I understand why you question it when people show disgust at his actions and are unable to provide proof.  I'd like to think I'm a scientist in training and I demand proof for anything I'm told to believe in myself.  If nothing else, I ask that you allow the possibility that the damage he did has been swept under the rug just as the more distasteful incidents he exposed has been.  To show the true extent of his betrayal would actually harm more assets than do any good.

He's one man, and he can rot.  It just irks me that the same kind of reasonable people who are usually right about demanding proof for statements and a fully explored reason for some people's hate to this individual are going to be wrong about this incident because they will never know, can never know.
 
2013-08-22 04:30:40 PM  

Kit Fister: Fusilier: Yeah, Manning sure showed them. Meanwhile Assange is enjoying steak/frites while Chelsea hangs around Leavenworth for a decade or so waiting for " her" Big Chicken Dinner.

considering that Assange as a private citizen is not bound by the laws and duties commensurate with military service and in particular a current TS clearance and assignment as an intel officer, the two are completely difference.

The problem with Manning insofar as a criminal prosecution, is not that he published documents per se. It's that he violated the letter of the law that he accepted first by joining the military, and then by accepting the further restrictions that TS placed upon him. By violating those articles of the UCMJ, he was liable for any criminal charges that come with it. I don't care how noble you think his act is -- he broke the law, and while he did right morally, he also has to accept the consequences of his actions.

The same with Snowden. Morally, releasing information showing the NSA's illegal activity is laudible. However, he did violate the terms of his clearance, including the legal ramifications thereof. No court, that I know of, has determined that wrapping yourself in the flag and becoming a whistleblower automatically excuses any violations of the law involved. Even the guy who did the Pentagon Papers leak was willing to accept the consequences of his actions.

/no this does not excuse the government from using legal wrangling to excessively punish any individual who did this, and so some legal protections and independent scrutiny of the government's prosecution is mandated.
//Manning's sentence, as far as I can tell, is in line with other convictions of the same types of charges, so I give props to the sentencing authority for not using this as a chance to stick it to manning.
///Honestly, Manning's mental conditions should have been evaluated and acted upon long before this became an issue at all. There are clear codes of conduct in the military, whether ...


Assange was happy to use "Chelsea" like a public toilet to further his organization and its agenda.
 
2013-08-22 04:35:49 PM  

ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?


Ha

I don't think you join the military during a war with DADT in place thinking there's going to be a lot of transsexual acceptance, or that it's going to be high on the "get around to it" priority list. And from what I read at the point where they are taking guns away from Manning because they thought he might go on an in-base shooting spree, they should have been stripping security clearance as well, you don't trust someone with guns but trust them with access to top secret stuff?...come on!
 
2013-08-22 04:46:31 PM  
Kit Fister:  I don't care how noble you think his act is -- he broke the law, and while he did right morally, he also has to accept the consequences of his actions.

huh? What did he do that was morally right? Release a bunch of diplomatic cables when he had no idea what information they contained. How is that morally right? He had no way to evaluate if the information he was releasing, so no way to judge. For all he knew they were talking about top secret negotiations to disarm the Middle East, solve the Palestinian issue forever, and a new secular peace love hump.
 
2013-08-22 04:46:31 PM  

Fusilier: Assange was happy to use "Chelsea" like a public toilet to further his organization and its agenda.


...And this excuses or changes anything? So what?  Everyone has an agenda, even the dude at the Guardian. If I have something for, or against, an organization and someone brought me dirt on them, I would likely act on that information in a way that was probably slightly biased towards the way I already leaned.

Manning didn't have to send the info to Wikileaks. He could've taken it to the times or the Post. No one had him by the dick and forced him to do it.

And regardless of who "used" whom, he still broke the law. Period. Full stop. He gets a punishment for doing so. Sometimes doing the right thing means you also accept the consequences that your actions bring.  it's not like he was a citizen who just happened to be walking by an army base and witnessed a bunch of white officers beating the shiat out of a black officer, or caught some other grunt raping a fellow soldier and reported it, where he had no duty to obey the laws preventing disclosure of the information. He violated orders, he broke the terms of his legally binding contract and agreement, and violated the law by disclosing classified data he had sworn a legally binding oath to guard. Whether or not the information contained therein was illegal is not the point -- the act of violating the law is.

And the stupid thing is, this wasn't a bundle of information clearly disclosing something we didn't know about before. This wasn't a pile of documents on the NSA violating the constitution or the army actively culling Gays out of the military and going full nazi on them. This was a bunch of diplomatic cables and docs on ongoing ops that was of dubious value, and did more to expose what we all pretty much figured went on anyway but no one really acknowledged because it was impolite.

Compared to Snowden, Manning basically dumped a bunch of gossipy letters and tattletale prattle, in a pouty, whiney, hissyfit. I'll give him credit for maybe believing it was the right thing, but it sure as hell didn't do much good and it was sure as hell a pretty goddamn stupid way to do it.
 
2013-08-22 04:46:51 PM  

jst3p: The Broncos are screwed this year.

[ries.typepad.com image 600x450]

"Miss me yet?"


Sad but true. It's almost as if the've been on the cover of Sports Illustrated.
Yea! Super Bowl! Take it All! Dominate Everything and ... uh, wut?
(whisper whisper)
Offensive Front looks like drunks stumbling on the dark? Defensive front line can't stop an 82 year old granny on a walker? Running backs gaining no yardage? Sack masters Dumerville and Miller are gone? Front office lives under a beer tap? Montee Ball let Peyton to be used a piledriver? Champ Bailey is old? Damarius Thomas can't get open?

Aw. geez
 
2013-08-22 04:47:37 PM  

pedobearapproved: Kit Fister:  I don't care how noble you think his act is -- he broke the law, and while he did right morally, he also has to accept the consequences of his actions.

huh? What did he do that was morally right? Release a bunch of diplomatic cables when he had no idea what information they contained. How is that morally right? He had no way to evaluate if the information he was releasing, so no way to judge. For all he knew they were talking about top secret negotiations to disarm the Middle East, solve the Palestinian issue forever, and a new secular peace love hump.


Sorry, I meant that more for Snowden than Manning. you're right on Manning's count. My bad.
 
2013-08-22 04:52:05 PM  
I hope the Blackhawks come up with a different tune this season... "Chelsea Dagger" is about to get a new meaning.
 
2013-08-22 04:59:27 PM  
i.imgur.com

God bless America.
 
2013-08-22 05:00:24 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 340x1500]

God bless America.


way to Simplify Manning's actions.
 
2013-08-22 05:06:57 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 340x1500]

God bless America.


What war crimes, exactly, did he expose with a blanket drop of 40 years of diplomatic cables?
 
2013-08-22 05:13:10 PM  

weltallica: [i.imgur.com image 340x1500]

God bless America.


You have a typo in that last one. For some reason, it says something about war crimes exposure which is irrelevant here.
 
2013-08-22 05:14:31 PM  
resources1.news.com.au


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.
 
2013-08-22 05:20:04 PM  

WTF Indeed: [resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.


yeah, but not one person got hurt from Manning's actions.
 
2013-08-22 05:30:46 PM  
So it's Chelsea Womanning now?
 
2013-08-22 05:45:13 PM  

WTF Indeed: [resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.


fayinc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-08-22 06:28:38 PM  

Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.


What is a false ideal?
 
2013-08-22 06:42:15 PM  

FatherChaos: So, let's see if I understand this correctly:

If you're born ugly, stupid, or of a particular ethnicity, you have to keep it.  But you can change the gender you were born with?

The day I start calling Manning "she" is the day I can have surgery and tell everyone that I'm Japanese.


www.startrek.com

Go for Romulan, it's classier.
 
2013-08-22 06:47:54 PM  

Grungehamster: Random Anonymous Blackmail: Cyberluddite

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am pretty sure he is doing this to keep his ass out of general population, you know away from the rape.

Nah, this isn't anything new. In fact, Manning's lawyers brought up his alleged gender dysphoria as part of his defense to the charges (I'm not sure what it was claimed that related to in his defense, but it was brought up).

He knew the instant he was picked up a fair trial and acquittal were two things he would never see. He would be tried and hung as a martyr, why not go full retard and make a mockery of the system that brought you down.

Just a thought.

Just to clarify: Manning contacted WikiLeaks in November 2009. The documents were downloaded sometime in January 2010 and sent the information to WikiLeaks in February of the same year.  WikiLeaks posted the video on April 5 2010. On April 24 2010 Manning contacted Master Sergeant Paul Adkins and let their superior office know that they were suffering gender dysphoria and attached a picture in which Manning was dressed as a female (a communication that the Master Sergeant kept secret for fear of him getting a DADT discharge or possible harassment if the picture got out). No one was aware he was the source of the leak until May 25 2010, a month later.

It's entirely possible that this was all a trick developed by Manning to get sympathy, but I somehow doubt it. Based on her statements made between then and her arrest it seems that she did feel alienated, and expressed to many people worries about gender dysphoria. I'm skeptical that was the reason behind the leak and it isn't an excuse for it, but at the very least we should try to understand that respecting someone's wishes on gender identity is basic human courtesy.


S/he has also contacted Zinnia Jones, a prominent transgender atheist, who has aided hir throughout hir incarceration. She (former he, has completed transition) just gave a couple of interviews about hir.

/Yes, S/he and hir. Works for Peter David, works for me.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:33 PM  
Dammit, it's high time Fark introduced a STUPIDEST button to go along with the other two. Tired comments such as willfully obscure's.practically demand it.

/ surprised  South Park shark fin image hasn't yet made an appearance.
/ don't get any ideas, you yobs.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:46 PM  
NOW... Deal with THIS!
Cha CHAAAA!

clatl.com
 
2013-08-22 07:00:50 PM  

IlGreven: S/he has also contacted Zinnia Jones, a prominent transgender atheist, who has aided hir throughout hir incarceration. She (former he, has completed transition) just gave a couple of interviews about hir.

/Yes, S/he and hir. Works for Peter David, works for me.


Have a genderqueer friend who goes by ze and hir (though ze accepts "they" or "their" as acceptable substitutes.) Can be tricky at times, but you make do.
 
2013-08-22 07:09:53 PM  
My greatest concern here is that this development will serve to dumb down the discussion of both Manning and transgenderism. Popular and societal discussion, not Fark discussion.
 
2013-08-22 07:10:54 PM  

wasteofspace: WTF Indeed: [resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Thank you, Bradley Manning. Because of your cable leaks I was able to thwart a US-led attempt to peacefully overthrow my dictatorship. I've just been "reelected" for another "five" years where I plan to steal billions more from my country and fund genocide in other nations. Also pass laws making being gay punishable by death.

[fayinc.files.wordpress.com image 500x271]


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2011/0907/Zimbabwe-WikiLeaks-c ab les-reveal-Mugabe-s-inner-circle-talking-with-US
 
2013-08-22 07:24:49 PM  
"It will, at the very least, make a difference to Manning. Gender dysphoria is a classified medical disorder, and the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which has jurisdiction over the military court in Maryland, where Manning was sentenced, has recognized that. In a unanimous decision in January, a three-judge panel concluded that denying a transgender prisoner a sex-change operation amounts to cruel and unusual punishment.

But Fort Leavenworth, the military prison where Manning's attorney, David Coombs, says she is likely to be incarcerated, does not guarantee this right. The spokeswoman there, Kimberly Lewis, has made it clear that the facility does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery, or any treatment beyond psychiatric care. Manning has asked for hope from her supporters. Hope is one thing. There is not much they can do."

(source: The New Yorker, "Accepting Chelsea Manning")
 
2013-08-22 07:29:46 PM  
www.spacetekwelding.com
 
2013-08-22 07:45:55 PM  
If this had not been such a well known person, I would have guessed he got a PA.
 
2013-08-22 08:19:52 PM  
That is like the Zodiac Spear of headlines. I laughed, subby
 
2013-08-22 09:41:45 PM  

ManateeGag: lafong: The only injections this clown should get art he lethal variety, But great headline subby!

I think killing him for being stupid isn't the right move.

I also don't think the US tax payers should be paying for this guy's gender reassignment procedures.


You're paying for her housing, food, heating, plumbing, guarding, and many more expenses for many decades to come. Even when I didn't have health insurance hormone therapy only ran me under a dollar a day. Even surgeries only fall in the five digits (14k for me after most expenses, done out of the US). That is an absolute pittance to the government. To put it into perspective of my government job, (I acknowledge that county level budgeting is completely removed from DOJ) the government spends about that much to put in a half a dozen trash cans at our schools.

It isn't as if reversing the transphobic policies here and with most insurance companies would lead to a deluge of people having their bits cut up just because it would be cheaper.
 
2013-08-22 09:53:43 PM  

runcible spork: Dammit, it's high time Fark introduced a STUPIDEST button to go along with the other two. Tired comments such as willfully obscure's.practically demand it.



2.bp.blogspot.com
u mad bro?

I thought "militarinormative" was pretty darn funny if I do say so myself.
 
2013-08-22 10:02:08 PM  
Meh, unimpressed.
 
2013-08-22 10:53:46 PM  
SUBBY...

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-22 11:04:51 PM  
Late to the party, but may I admire the subby's magnificence?
 
2013-08-22 11:25:47 PM  

Sandwyrm: PunGent:

What you ask is impossible to produce, for many reasons.  The three that immediately come to mind are:


Nope.  If the stuff was released on the net, and was used to harm someone, the harm has ALREADY BEEN DONE...so they could use that material at trial without further harm.   They didn't, ergo...people who make this claim are mostly full of crap, or trying to justify their own jobs in the security bureaucracy.

1) Even if classified material is released, it is against the law to repost it/provide access to it.

Which any fifth grader could tell you is retarded.

2) The people who know enough specific details about the true extent of the damage this clown did will not endanger their oaths just to prove to a random stranger on the internet the consequences of an idiotic course of action such as Manning's.

Horseshiat.  You're presuming your own conclusion again.

3) The hostiles who acted on leaked information are generally not media savvy enough to advertise this.  Or, if they are, they would likely prefer to be thought of as omnipotent more than the US be thought of as incompetent.  They primarily rule through intimidation

Name one.

You likely have no clue the kind of information included in SIGACTS.  You don't understand just how much detail some intel reports go into, and how much they mean to both the people who collect the information and the people who the said information is about.

I know you can't have a secure system with three MILLION users.  Anyone with a basic knowledge of human nature and fundamental statistics could tell you that...but that would mean they're over-qualified for intelligence work, apparently.

I understand why you question it when people show disgust at his actions and are unable to provide proof.  I'd like to think I'm a scientist in training and I demand proof for anything I'm told to believe in myself.  If nothing else, I ask that you allow the possibility that the damage he did has been swept under the rug just as the more distasteful incidents he exposed has been.  To show the true extent of his betrayal would actually harm more assets than do any good.

He's one man, and he can rot.  It just irks me that the same kind of reasonable people who are usually right about demanding proof for statements and a fully explored reason for some people's hate to this individual are going to be wrong about this incident because they will never know, can never know.


In other words, no proof he harmed anybody.  Like I said.
It's astounding how many nominally small government "conservative" types are suddenly willing to suspend presumption of innocence...not to mention all rational analysis....just because some bureaucrat stamps something "Top Secret".

This kind of crap is how useless intel got stovepiped into the White House, and got us into Iraq.
But THOSE guys didn't get charged with anything; fark, they probably got promoted.

I don't have a problem with Manning's sentence, but I still think Le Carre was right;  post-war intel services have been a hugely counterproductive waste of money in the last few decades.

Go ahead...give me one good example of something helpful they've done, since WWII, to justify their billions per year.
Let me guess:  it's all classified :)
 
2013-08-23 12:16:43 AM  
PunGent:

You refuse to accept the most basic premise of their work and sit back smug feeling like you've proved something.  The equivalent to stating DNA doesn't exist, therefore how are physical traits hereditary?

In response to your point regarding the 3 million, I accept that it's a definite stretch of the imagination to accept that there are no leaks anywhere else.  I can admit that people let slip bits and pieces, but most of the damage from that is minimal.  What he did was release an entire database, searchable and storeable.  Significantly more useful and dangerous than scuttlebutt from some bored Private.

This is why the oaths they ask us to swear to are so important.  This is why you give your word of honor.  This word is usually seen as a joke, a punchline, a tired and trite holdover from ages past that wannabees still pretend to understand.  This perception is wrong, utterly wrong.

Maybe you and I don't speak the same language, figuratively.  You don't give the same weight to that which I consider important, due to the different life you took.  To those who actually participated in this system, who see things from the perspective of the intelligence establishment, his guilt is undeniable and unforgivable and is a stain on us all.
 
2013-08-23 12:29:49 AM  
good headline
 
2013-08-23 01:08:44 AM  

ManateeGag: until he start the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.


Until he finishes the process of gender reassignment, he's still he.

Just because you pass your Boobies-grad class, it doesn't make you a PhD. Not even if you have degree dysphoria.
 
2013-08-23 01:23:11 AM  
I'm coming into this thread kinda late but wtf:

Is he (I won't call him a she) going to live as a heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual woman?

More importantly, why don't we just tell these transwhatever pansies to shove it up their See You Next Tuesdays.

/ not feeling compassionate this evening
// the pussification of America continues
 
2013-08-23 01:54:53 AM  
HOTY

www.archives.gov
 
2013-08-23 07:57:36 AM  
 
2013-08-23 08:53:19 AM  

PerilousApricot: Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes. Actually my answer should have been no, I didn't read that comment close enough.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.

What is a false ideal?

 
2013-08-23 09:15:35 AM  

Death Whisper: PerilousApricot: Outrageous Muff: Death Whisper: ikanreed: Do you think if we had greater transsexual acceptance in the U.S., that manning wouldn't have done what he did?

Yes. Actually my answer should have been no, I didn't read that comment close enough.

No. Manning wanted attention and got it from a man who used him to further his false ideals.

What is a false ideal?


Communism
 
2013-08-23 09:56:08 AM  
Really, is anyone surprised?

cdni.wired.co.uk
blogs.babble.com
 
2013-08-23 10:13:15 AM  

Sandwyrm: PunGent:

You refuse to accept the most basic premise of their work and sit back smug feeling like you've proved something.  The equivalent to stating DNA doesn't exist, therefore how are physical traits hereditary?


Nope, not smug...I'm just the poor sucker of a taxpayer who has to pay for it all.  I'd like some assurance I'm getting a fraction of my money's worth, beyond a Lisa-Simpson like assurance that the magic rock is keeping the tigers away.

In response to your point regarding the 3 million, I accept that it's a definite stretch of the imagination to accept that there are no leaks anywhere else.  I can admit that people let slip bits and pieces, but most of the damage from that is minimal.  What he did was release an entire database, searchable and storeable.  Significantly more useful and dangerous than scuttlebutt from some bored Private.

The problem isn't that Manning was a rare whackjob with serious issues.  The problem is that it's statistically almost certain that there's someone much worse than Manning on that system, right now.  The easiest, cheapest solution I see...is don't classify so much crap.  Given my experience with bureaucracy...that's the one thing that won't happen, though.

This is why the oaths they ask us to swear to are so important.  This is why you give your word of honor.  This word is usually seen as a joke, a punchline, a tired and trite holdover from ages past that wannabees still pretend to understand.  This perception is wrong, utterly wrong.

No, I respect the oaths, really.   Took a couple myself, to uphold the Constitution, once in the Reserves, and again when I was sworn in as an attorney.  And I respect those who serve in your field...for the most part.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to be critical of what I perceive to be a bloated, inefficient chunk of government.

There's a lot of brave, dedicated DEA guys too...but that doesn't change my opinion that the War on Drugs is a huge waste of money.

Maybe you and I don't speak the same language, figuratively.  You don't give the same weight to that which I consider important, due to the different life you took.  To those who actually participated in this system, who see things from the perspective of the intelligence establishment, his guilt is undeniable and unforgivable and is a stain on us all.

"There is nothing more difficult than to get a man to understand something that his salary depends on him not understanding."
 
2013-08-23 12:47:30 PM  
Nice try, but Julian Assange STILL won't sleep with you.
 
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