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2013-08-22 11:25:02 AM
The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers
 
2013-08-22 11:30:32 AM
If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril.

So?
 
2013-08-22 11:32:30 AM
So Texas will be banning iPhone, iPad and iPod sales too?
 
2013-08-22 11:32:36 AM
So is Tesla saying they'll have dealerships but the dealerships will be owned by Tesla? I guess what I'm axing is, what's the difference between a dealer and a store? And more to the point, if I bought one, where would I take it to get it fixed?
 
2013-08-22 11:36:38 AM

Barfmaker: So is Tesla saying they'll have dealerships but the dealerships will be owned by Tesla? I guess what I'm axing is, what's the difference between a dealer and a store? And more to the point, if I bought one, where would I take it to get it fixed?


This is correct.  I don't know on the "fixed" question, but chances are the dealership.  Although it sounds like a Tesla should never die, based on how unbelievably amazing all of its scores (read: press) have been.
 
2013-08-22 11:43:04 AM
I was behind a Model S on the way in to work this morning

/nice ride
//too nice for Texas, anyway
 
2013-08-22 11:44:42 AM

Barfmaker: I guess what I'm axing is, what's the difference between a dealer and a store?


Less middlemen making money for nothing other than adhering to a bullshiat law intended to protect them, and for no other reason...
 
2013-08-22 11:57:05 AM
"This happens all the time," said Bill Wolters, the president of the Texas Automobile Dealers Association. "Someone wants an exception to the franchise laws. If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

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2013-08-22 12:15:06 PM
Just change their name to "Jesusmobile" and they will sell double-wide fold-out chairs down here...
 
2013-08-22 12:16:37 PM

UberDave: Just change their name to "Jesusmobile" and they will sell like double-wide fold-out chairs down here...


/Dammit
 
2013-08-22 12:31:15 PM
"This happens all the time," said Bill Wolters, the president of the Texas Automobile Dealers Association. "Someone wants an exception to the franchise laws. If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

So these bootstrappy free market conservatives need the government to protect them from competition.

How utterly libertarian of them.
 
2013-08-22 12:34:03 PM
"If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:54 PM

Therion: "If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.


Once again, an example of small government conservatism staying true to their ideals!
 
2013-08-22 12:38:32 PM
/conservatives
 
2013-08-22 12:39:15 PM
About 50% of the human race is middle-men and they don't take kindly to being eliminated.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:40 PM

Voiceofreason01: The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers


For those of us ignorant of such things (and who don't want to search teh googles ourselves), can you 'splain?

// EXplanation > MANsplanation, but whatever you got
 
2013-08-22 12:41:31 PM

Therion: "If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.


I'm guessing that since being a Texas legislator is a part time job, most legislators are car salesmen in the 8 or so months they have off. Most likely used car salesmen.
 
2013-08-22 12:48:23 PM

simplicimus: Therion: "If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.

I'm guessing that since being a Texas legislator is a part time job, most legislators are car salesmen in the 8 or so months they have off. Most likely used car salesmen.


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2013-08-22 12:51:11 PM
TEXAS IS THE AYN RAND LAND OF COMPETITION!

Texas sucks ass.  Whoever wins the auction makes the laws. What a joke.
 
2013-08-22 12:53:20 PM
If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."


you know, like letting women decide whether or not to have an abortion. Now, much less confusion as to where to go.
 
2013-08-22 12:53:46 PM

simplicimus: Therion: "If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.

I'm guessing that since being a Texas legislator is a part time job, most legislators are car salesmen in the 8 or so months they have off. Most likely used car salesmen.


They only work 4 months every two years.

Most are lawyers.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:42 PM
You would think that a "news" article would have at least covered the legal reasoning behind the ban. Maybe the author could have written a short explanation of what the franchise law is? Sounds like an anti-trust measure, but that would be stupid.
 
2013-08-22 12:54:54 PM
There are quite a few of these in Austin already.  Love the Model S.
 
2013-08-22 12:55:20 PM
I think the same thing applies in Massachusets.  I remember a dealer up there filing a Federal suit to completely stop the sales of Tesla products on Interstate Commerce provisions.  Never did hear the outcome.
 
2013-08-22 12:55:41 PM
More sales (and tax dollars) for Oklahoma and other neighboring states. Keep shooting yourselves in the foot Texas.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:06 PM

Barfmaker: So is Tesla saying they'll have dealerships but the dealerships will be owned by Tesla? I guess what I'm axing is, what's the difference between a dealer and a store? And more to the point, if I bought one, where would I take it to get it fixed?


Tesla cannot own a dealership.

Texas would have banned Internet sales if the legislatures had figured out how that floppy disc with 10 free hours from AOL worked 15 years ago.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:27 PM
The whole damn state is a RHINO legislatively speaking. All hat no cattle.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:34 PM

Dr Dreidel: Voiceofreason01: The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers

For those of us ignorant of such things (and who don't want to search teh googles ourselves), can you 'splain?

// EXplanation > MANsplanation, but whatever you got


That's a bizarre hijacking of feminist terminology in a completely unrelated subject, but to actually answer the premise is very simple: franchise laws create unnecessary middlemen, who by definition will extract an economic profit raising prices for consumers, when the market has demonstrated consumers are willing and able to purchase vehicles directly from manufacturers, at slightly lower prices.
 
2013-08-22 12:56:58 PM
At least the TABC is coming to its senses about craft breweries.

And while I have faith in Elon Musk's ability to outwit the Texas legislature, I have more faith in the Texas legislature ability to propagate their crony, GOB fiefdom.
 
2013-08-22 12:57:02 PM

Dr Dreidel: Voiceofreason01: The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers

For those of us ignorant of such things (and who don't want to search teh googles ourselves), can you 'splain?

// EXplanation > MANsplanation, but whatever you got


Don't worry about it sugartits. Just tell your man that the electric car doesn't make your ladyparts hum like his jacked up F150 does.
 
2013-08-22 12:57:27 PM

Dr Dreidel: Voiceofreason01: The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers

For those of us ignorant of such things (and who don't want to search teh googles ourselves), can you 'splain?

// EXplanation > MANsplanation, but whatever you got


car manufacturers are prohibited by law from selling cars directly to the public and you cannot sell cars online. Basically the law only exists to bring extra tax revenue into the State and support dealerships.
 
2013-08-22 12:57:30 PM
Create new company, sell franchises to new company, have franchise sell cars in Texas, tell Texas to suck it.


/ was that so hard?
 
2013-08-22 12:57:32 PM
There doing everyone a favor.  I drove a Tesla from NYC to Montreal and had to stop three times to charge the bastard.  Combine that with acceleration that feels like an elastic that never snaps and you have a crappy car.  I won't even mention the looks.  So what if its a "safe car".  How often do I crash up?
 
2013-08-22 12:57:36 PM
Ah, the GM and Ford lobbyists have been busy. They'll do it one state at a time, if they can't do it nationally.
 
2013-08-22 12:57:40 PM
Ric Romero reports that the rich can buy legislation.  More at 11.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:00 PM
Gotta love them small government conservatives.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:02 PM

GameSprocket: You would think that a "news" article would have at least covered the legal reasoning behind the ban. Maybe the author could have written a short explanation of what the franchise law is? Sounds like an anti-trust measure, but that would be stupid.


Beer/Liquor manufacturers are also banned from selling to stores ( Walmart , etc ) or bars ( Applebys ).
 
2013-08-22 12:58:19 PM
Does anyone know who's behind and supporting the anti-Tesla legislation in CO? I'm having a tough time tracking that information down.
 
2013-08-22 12:58:44 PM

mcreadyblue: simplicimus: Therion: "If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

The Invisible Hand of the Free Market is making jack-off motions behind your back.

I'm guessing that since being a Texas legislator is a part time job, most legislators are car salesmen in the 8 or so months they have off. Most likely used car salesmen.

They only work 4 months every two years.

Most are lawyers.


Huh. I thought the 140 days were work days, not elapsed time. And lawyers vs. used car salesmen, I can't say which I'd prefer.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:20 PM
From: http://www.statesman.com/news/business/tesla-lobbies-to-sell-its-elec t ric-cars-directly-t/nXHrY/

The bills are being opposed by the Texas Automobile Dealers Association, the state trade association for franchised new car and truck dealers. Bill Wolters, the association's president, said that, while Tesla is a niche player, the bills could open the door to larger manufacturers coming into Texas and attempting to sell directly to customers.

That ultimately would hurt consumers, he said, because franchise dealers compete with each other to keep prices down and they serve customers in rural communities.


Oh, fark you.  I understand that this guy has a job to do, which is representing his industry, but this is total bullshiat.

I wonder how it feels to stand in the way of progress and be on the wrong side of history?
 
2013-08-22 12:59:33 PM

Voiceofreason01: Dr Dreidel: Voiceofreason01: The franchise law is bullshiat legislation that does very little besides screw consumers

For those of us ignorant of such things (and who don't want to search teh googles ourselves), can you 'splain?

// EXplanation > MANsplanation, but whatever you got

car manufacturers are prohibited by law from selling cars directly to the public and you cannot sell cars online. Basically the law only exists to bring extra tax revenue into the State and support dealerships.


Not true.

Used cars can be sold online. Only news cars are forbidden.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:40 PM

Marcus Aurelius: "This happens all the time," said Bill Wolters, the president of the Texas Automobile Dealers Association. "Someone wants an exception to the franchise laws. If we made an exception for everybody that showed up in the legislature, before long the integrity of the entire franchise system is in peril."

So these bootstrappy free market conservatives need the government to protect them from competition.

How utterly libertarian of them.


I can imagine this Bill Wolters guy in a grey suit with starched white shirt, stiff collar, bolo tie, big 10-gallon Stetson, gator skin boots, gold watch and rings, and pushing about 260lbs. Talking in the thickets Texas drawl. What a douche...
 
2013-08-22 12:59:52 PM
LOL conservatives always support capitalism and survival-of-the-fittest in the marketplace, yet one of their strongholds won't let capitalism run its course? Hypocritical assholes!
 
2013-08-22 01:00:40 PM

Another Government Employee: I think the same thing applies in Massachusets.  I remember a dealer up there filing a Federal suit to completely stop the sales of Tesla products on Interstate Commerce provisions.  Never did hear the outcome.


All of these state bans could be challenged. The Commerce Clause gives the federal government a lot of power.  http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddganos/2013/05/15/north-carolinas-thre a t-to-tesla-likely-unconstitutional/
 
2013-08-22 01:00:55 PM
I'm sure that if the Tesla car somehow becomes really popular in Texas, the situation will right itself automatically.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:00 PM

BigNumber12: Does anyone know who's behind and supporting the anti-Tesla legislation in CO? I'm having a tough time tracking that information down.


The legislators. They know a plan to cut into their tax revenue when they see it.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:35 PM

chrisco123: There doing everyone a favor.  I drove a Tesla from NYC to Montreal and had to stop three times to charge the bastard.  Combine that with acceleration that feels like an elastic that never snaps and you have a crappy car.  I won't even mention the looks.  So what if its a "safe car".  How often do I crash up?


Hmm, whom to believe? Just about every review written by professional auto experts and auto magazines, or a internet forum post by someone that doesn't even know the difference between they're and there. Decisions decisions.
 
2013-08-22 01:02:20 PM
As a Texan who has spotted half a dozen Teslas scooting about town, I am rather shocked to learn about the distribution laws. Usually that kind of anti-consumer protectionism is reserved for more liberal areas of the country.

I'd bet there's more to the laws than whats been presented in tfa, but it does appear the law might need a little tweaking.
 
2013-08-22 01:03:26 PM

dj_spanmaster: Ah, the GM and Ford lobbyists have been busy. They'll do it one state at a time, if they can't do it nationally.


I believe auto manufacturers have little, if anything to do with this. It's more like local car dealers doing this.
 
2013-08-22 01:03:36 PM
More bootstrappy republicans getting government out of our lives for the defence of the free market. They must laugh at those blue states that allow consumer to buy directly from the manufacturer  based on the quality of the product and service.
 
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