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(Think Progress)   Jim DeMint, who once advocated RomneyCare as an alternative to going to the ER, now advocates going to the ER as an alternative to ObamaCare   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 113
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2013-08-22 02:45:07 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Esc7: Let me guess, taxation is theft?

The so-called public university that I attended taught that all property is theft.

No it didn't.

Why do you pretend to be a lawyer on the internet?


It sounds better than liar on the internet?
 
2013-08-22 02:46:23 PM

qorkfiend: zarberg: You'd think that bastion of fiscal responsibility known as the Republican party would want the less expensive preventative care

I'm desperately trying to remember the last time a Republican practiced anything even remotely resembling fiscal responsibility.


They don't really even practice fiscal conservatism, anymore.

/Which is a similar, but different concept from fiscal responsibility.
 
2013-08-22 02:58:50 PM

IlGreven: Serious Black: Serious Black: He actually went further than advocating for Romneycare. Jim DeMint advocated for completely universal and mandated coverage, which goes beyond what Romneycare (or Obamacare) does.

Since I'm sure somebody will ask for a citation, here's part of a letter he signed and sent to President Bush in 2007:

"We would like to work with [President Bush] and your administration to pass legislation in this Congress that would ensure that all Americans would have affordable, quality, private health coverage, while protecting current government programs. We believe the health care system cannot be fixed without providing solutions for everyone. Otherwise, the costs of those without insurance will continue to be shifted to those who do have coverage."

Key word. The only real change to Obamacare is this word to "public"...but that makes all the difference in the world.

/Private good, Public baaaaaad.
//Which is why we let private megacorps get away with things we'd excoriate the eeeeeeeebil gubmint for.


Are you kidding? I farking wish Obamacare was public health care. The damn thing still rests on the backs of private insurers for all of us who don't qualify for Medicare.

Obamacare is the same plan the Heritage Foundation proposed, the same plan Romney implemented, the same plan DeMint begged for... but it was implemented by the other team, so it's the greatest evil since the Holocaust.
 
2013-08-22 03:00:38 PM

AurizenDarkstar: Truly, he has a dizzying intellect.

/not really


Oh, I don't know. I think a dizzying intellect is a good way to describe him. After all, that much spinning would certainly make me dizzy.
 
2013-08-22 03:05:14 PM

Bontesla: djkutch: I wish the GOP shrills would offer an alternative plan to Obamacare.  Maybe they are too busy with laser like focus on job creation?

They're still trying to eliminate medicare and social security.

I don't think they want to replace it. They just want to end it.


It's hard for the Republicans to offer a Republican alternative when ObamaCare is the Republican alternative.
 
2013-08-22 03:10:34 PM

Garet Garrett: Esc7: Let me guess, taxation is theft?

The so-called public university that I attended taught that all property is theft.  But that has different implications, doesn't it?

But no, I don't believe that taxation is theft.  But you don't have to be a hard-core libertarian to believe that all government action, including taxation, is inherently coercive, as it's always done with the background threat of force (what happens if you don't get a permit to fix your septic system?  and then refuse to pay the fine?).  Likewise, that that's the key difference between cooperative action on the so-called private level and cooperative action on the so-called public level.  If you have a more basic distinction, I'd love to hear it.


Government action is not inherently coercive - so long as the true power in government is still in the hands of the voters. I swear, if I hear this "gun to my head..." argument one more time...

Government action isn't inherently coercive because the right to debate and to vote still exists. We can debate whether or not the cherished illusion of freedom is still a thing in the United States, or if it ever was, but the fact that you have the power to create a movement robs the government of its coercive power. You're just too lazy, helpless, or whiny to actually do it.

On the other hand, the idea that private transactions are FREEDOM and public transactions are TYRANNY is such a wonderful, oversimplified falsehood that I almost feel bad popping that bubble for you. Private transactions are only freedom in the presence of perfect knowledge, and I don't trust any corporate entity to provide me with perfect knowledge. The idea that people vote with their dollars, and won't patronize companies that do harm, might be accurate for microtransactions down at the feed store, but they don't really apply to corporate behemoths that don't have the end-consumer in mind when they produce their products.

And public transactions have more freedom than you might think. Any action is "freedom" to someone willing to take the consequences for performing it. During my protest days, I was more than willing to spend a night in the tank to make what I felt was an important point.

I don't believe in Big Government, but I do believe in a government big enough to check-and-balance other institutions (churches, corporations, landlords) out to exercise their authority over me. Governance is not a zero-sum game. Not every law is a freedom lost.
 
2013-08-22 03:12:58 PM

Serious Black: He actually went further than advocating for Romneycare. Jim DeMint advocated for completely universal and mandated coverage, which goes beyond what Romneycare (or Obamacare) does.


If he did that on a day ending in -y that's not news, that's standard Republican operating procedure.
 
2013-08-22 03:16:44 PM
Actually, I'm not surprised that Conservatives are now disavowing their original health care solution that we know call Obamacare.  I don't believe they ever really supported it but rather just came up with something in opposition to Hillarycare.  I think they really just like the status quo.
 
2013-08-22 06:20:53 PM

Bontesla: djkutch: I wish the GOP shrills would offer an alternative plan to Obamacare.  Maybe they are too busy with laser like focus on job creation?

They're still trying to eliminate medicare and social security.

I don't think they want to replace it. They just want to end it.


I agree. I think they want government monies spent only on areas that will generate cash for stockholders, such as "defense," instead -- because wars and defense are big, big moneymakers for private industry (aka, their campaign donors). Granted, universal health coverage could eliminate a big financial burden from businesses who would no longer have to offer health care options to their employees. But hey, why worry about those chumps when you can rake in big bucks from the stock market?

/When's the last time a politician mentioned "the American Standard of Living" as a benefit of being a citizen, and stressed that we must raise those standards?
 
2013-08-22 06:46:00 PM

Garet Garrett: Satanic_Hamster: Right wingers; These are your leaders and heroes.  Unabashed liars and bullshiatters.  Defend this bullshiat, you trolling lying farks.  Defend your leader and hero Jim DeMint.

DO IT.

DO IT.

Just as soon as you admit that Obama was a knuckle-dragging homophobe until a few months ago.


Sure thing. I, as an official libtard (voted Green Party in 2012 and voted against the Republican/Teatard ticket across the board in Indiana state races), think the President was completely and totally bass-ackwards on gay rights until he decided to support equal marriage rights due to political pressure and encouragement from the Vice President. Barack Obama was wrong on that issue, and then he changed his mind.

Your turn.
 
2013-08-22 06:59:35 PM
I love seeing these A-Holes wriggle on the hook.
 
2013-08-22 09:57:26 PM

Bontesla: djkutch: I wish the GOP shrills would offer an alternative plan to Obamacare.  Maybe they are too busy with laser like focus on job creation?

They're still trying to eliminate medicare and social security.

I don't think they want to replace it. They just want to end it.


If they had a way to convince seniors that Social Security and Medicare were apocalyptic threats to America, they'd abolish those programs tomorrow.
 
2013-08-23 12:58:38 AM
DeMint is a think tank whore.
 
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