meat0918: vpb: The Tea Baggers just had a new idea.Consider the following: They had better stay the fark away from Bill Nye.
impaler: "Believe such and such, or face eternity in hell!" - acceptable proselytizing."live in harmony with each other and use your brain" - shoving beliefs down people's throats.
Kit Fister: If people were allowed to seek out and find the truth, and were given the resources to question and encouraged to do so without recourse,
Kit Fister: impaler: "Believe such and such, or face eternity in hell!" - acceptable proselytizing."live in harmony with each other and use your brain" - shoving beliefs down people's throats.no, actually, both are shoving your beliefs down people's throats. it's active proselytizing that's the problem on all sides, and has been for thousands of years. If people were allowed to seek out and find the truth, and were given the resources to question and encouraged to do so without recourse, I think everyone would be a lot better off.Frankly, I don't give a shiat if someone believes in God, Satan, or the FSM, or none of the above. I just don't want to hear about it, and be drilled into if I happen to state that I have a belief because I'm wrong. Trust me, when there exists evidence that contradicts my beliefs, I'll gladly re-evaluate my beliefs. But every day science finds out shiat that we previously thought was impossible, so, until there's evidence for or against, I'll choose to believe whatever seems sensible to me based on my own experiences plus scientific data.And maybe we could all use a little less of the "crusader" Attitude and the need to *prove* people's beliefs wrong/silly/whatever.
I May Be Crazy But...: He wasn't working with middle class white folks in suburban San Francisco, he was working with people who barely have enough money to eat and didn't go to high-school, and very likely can barely read if they can at all.
Egoy3k: So parents shouldn't take their children to church?
I May Be Crazy But...: If you'll leave off the "fairly often", I'm in.
Farking Canuck: I May Be Crazy But...: If you'll leave off the "fairly often", I'm in.Actually I said "they don't do it very often". (slightly paraphrased for clarity)
Kit Fister: KnowledgeJunkie: So maybe tone down the rhetoric a little bit and deal with the facts of the situation and you won't get perceived as "stupid" or have to deal with being "buillied".If he only talked to those who willingly sought him out, I retract my statement. If he went out and actively attempted to preach, then I stand behind them. I got the sense that his activism was more in the vein of the latter than the former.
ko_kyi: megarian: Now this thread is dildos.is this a filter?
KnowledgeJunkie: Well, it sounds like you're going for the secondary definition of preach: "to urge acceptance or abandonment of an idea or course of action;specifically: to exhort in an officious or tiresome manner". I don't perceive this as tiresome or officious- it's more like going around and warning your immediate neighbors of a gas leak, or perhaps being the person who flags people down on the highway when there's a hazard ahead on the road. I differentiate what he does compared to what a standard preacher would do by the fact that what he claims is backed by facts and the scientific method.
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