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(Tech Dirt)   Government: The FISA court effectively oversees the NSA's data collection programs. FISA Court: Yeah, not so much   (techdirt.com) divider line 63
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2013-08-22 01:22:52 PM  
As the Washington Post points out, this opinion, which details many instances in which the NSA flat out lied to the court, lends some credence to statements made by presiding judge Reggie Walton, who claimed the court. This opinion appears to detail the NSA setting up its own complicit court system, intentionally misleading it in order to continue its surveillance programs unabated.

I like the way this works.  If I go to the building code guy and tell him I'm building a shed, then I build a house, that's cool, right?

I got permission!
 
2013-08-22 01:24:35 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Headso: The people apologizing for the NSA have been slowly disappearing from these threads as more and more comes out about the extent of their lying.

I hope this is trending worldwide.


British government is going apeshiat.  I'm guessing their security state is even worse.  Not a stretch for a place with cctv cameras on every block.
 
2013-08-22 01:28:36 PM  

sendtodave: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Headso: The people apologizing for the NSA have been slowly disappearing from these threads as more and more comes out about the extent of their lying.

I hope this is trending worldwide.

British government is going apeshiat.  I'm guessing their security state is even worse.  Not a stretch for a place with cctv cameras on every block.


IMO they have it worse, as there isn't a 1st amendment in that country.
 
2013-08-22 01:33:05 PM  

FormlessOne: But, again, Snowden's the bad guy here, apparently.

We have a completely dysfunctional process here, in which it's clear that, thanks to the circumspect way this surveillance was implemented, the NSA has been spying on Americans without any effective form of oversight or control, and that many of the people involved have lied about it, repeatedly, to the very folks supposedly providing that oversight and control.

Remember, one of the big arguments used against Snowden is that he had adequate official channels that he could've used to report years of illegal, unethical activity by one of the nastiest organizations on the planet, rather than going public with classified information. It's pretty obvious that the argument is false. We have, instead, an interlocking chain of incredible ethical failure, from bottom to top, because no one looked too closely at a program that should've been scrutinized at every damned level.

Your government isn't just lying to you - it's lying to itself, too. It believes it has control over its more extreme elements, when it's obvious that those elements ran roughshod over those controls, your rights, and the damned Constitution, and did so because it could. And yet, that same government wants to pin all the blame on the whistleblower.


This.  Brilliant.
 
2013-08-22 02:51:20 PM  

mod3072: bdub77: Just something to throw in the mix - if you use Google or Facebook, screw the government, you should just assume every company in America has its fist up your ass as far as your privacy is concerned.

Yeah, well, how else am I supposed to find the porn I want, smart guy?


search.nsa.gov

They've saved the good stuff.
 
2013-08-22 03:07:29 PM  

sendtodave: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Headso: The people apologizing for the NSA have been slowly disappearing from these threads as more and more comes out about the extent of their lying.

I hope this is trending worldwide.

British government is going apeshiat.  I'm guessing their security state is even worse.  Not a stretch for a place with cctv cameras on every block.


I hear they've been buying a lot of wire cages and rats...
 
2013-08-22 04:13:30 PM  

Stone Meadow: Oh, and I forgot...Manning and Snowden deserve to share this year's Nobel Peace Prize.


Please. Obama is overdue to win again.  Or maybe Al Gore will for selling his tv show to oil merchants.  Real green there, Al!
 
2013-08-22 04:26:36 PM  
I just have one question before I take the safety off on this puppy.


Could a Foreign Nation taking part in collection activities at any time in the past twenty years access information on my activities INSIDE the continental United States without my OWN expressed and documented permission.

The answer to that question is pertinent to the survival of our government.
 
2013-08-22 04:40:15 PM  

prjindigo: Could a Foreign Nation taking part in collection activities at any time in the past twenty years access information on my activities INSIDE the continental United States without my OWN expressed and documented permission.


Of course they can. Why wouldn't they be able to? There was nothing special about Snowden while he was with Booz Allen Hamilton but even he had access to that sort of information. Anyone who can get hired into a similar position by one of the countless for-profit businesses who reap the benefits of the government outsourcing national security to would have similar access.
 
2013-08-22 04:42:45 PM  

prjindigo: I just have one question before I take the safety off on this puppy.


Could a Foreign Nation taking part in collection activities at any time in the past twenty years access information on my activities INSIDE the continental United States without my OWN expressed and documented permission.

The answer to that question is pertinent to the survival of our government.


Actually, if I am understanding your question, I think that's how it works with us and Britain (who knows who else).

We (our government) spy on their people when they legally can't, they spy on our people when we can't, and we give each other all the info.

It's a nice end round if you have privacy laws.

Again, I think their privacy laws are weaker anyway.
 
2013-08-22 06:03:31 PM  

BullBearMS: So you have to ask yourself if Roberts is using this power to reshape the court.

Well, DUH!


It's good to see Republicans working with this administration on something.
 
2013-08-23 01:28:05 AM  

OnlyM3: "This administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists without undermining our Constitution and our freedom. That means no more illegal wiretapping of American citizens. No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing more than protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. That is not who we are. And it is not what is necessary to defeat the terrorists. The FISA court works. The separation of powers works. Our Constitution works. We will again set an example for the world that the law is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary. This Administration acts like violating civil liberties is the way to enhance our security. It is not."

-- Senator Barack Obama, August 2007

Guess Obama really did not mean it.
 
2013-08-23 02:27:15 AM  
Number of FISA warrants granted: 33,942
Number of FISA warrants denied: 11
FISA warrant approval rate: 99.97%
 
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