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(Hot Air)   Chris Matthews: Calling Obama "Obama" is a way of delegitimizing him. Just like "Bush", "Palin", "Rubio", "Christie", etc   (hotair.com ) divider line
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2013-08-22 02:10:59 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: guy is a buffoon


typical lib, circling the wagons to protect one of their own and furthermore comma
 
2013-08-22 02:11:31 PM  
Chimpy Bushiatler McFlightsuit
 
2013-08-22 02:11:59 PM  

RussianPooper: Dubya


When did a sitting member of Congress, or a Democrat duing debates, refer to him as "Dubya"?
 
2013-08-22 02:13:39 PM  

Jackson Herring: Pants full of macaroni!!: guy is a buffoon

typical lib, circling the wagons to protect one of their own and furthermore comma


It is tough saying "Matthews has a point". I remember having this discussion right after the debates. "Notice how they never say "President Obama"? That isn't an accident".

Petulant children. Sucks that Matthews is the one bringing it up.
 
2013-08-22 02:14:09 PM  

James!: cman: Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.

That does actually tick me off as well

I may not like the guy, but damn, he earned that Mr President title

He didn't go to 8 years of President Medical school to be called "Mister".


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2013-08-22 02:15:33 PM  

Churchill2004: Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.

There's a difference between addressing the President and referring to him. It would be very odd to read a sentence in a newspaper like "Mr. President signed legislation today"- his name is not "President".  That's not how the form of address is used. If you were actually talking to Obama in person you wouldn't call him "Mr. Obama"- that would be a breach of protocol, absent the unusual circumstance of Presidential debates, where the incumbent drops the title (and usually their opponent is not refered to by their title, either, to create equality between them).

Aristocles: Actually, that's standard in journalism. The first reference will be to "President X" and any subsequent references will be to "Mr. X"

Which makes perfect sense.


blogs-images.forbes.com

Usually.
 
2013-08-22 02:16:23 PM  
Heh.  I kinda like it when Matthews says something preposterous like this.  It gives Fox News viewers a slight peek at what the rest of us see on Fox.  It's not nearly as egregious, but that feeling you Fox guys get listening to this drivel... multiply it by about 10 and that's how the rest of us feel all the time.
 
2013-08-22 02:16:38 PM  

eraser8: Satanic_Hamster: Not acceptable:
Referring to the president as "Mister ${current president's last name}."  For example, "Mister Reagan sold weapons to Iranian terrorists."

Wrong.

That is PERFECTLY acceptable and perfectly respectful.


President Reagan selling weapons to Iranian terrorists isn't acceptable or respectful, you neocon troll!
 
2013-08-22 02:17:52 PM  
Prrr, Prrr President Bush.

Nah.
 
2013-08-22 02:17:57 PM  
Matthews is right and subby is right. But mostly it's just sloppy journalism.

The journalistic standard should be that anyone's first mention in a column, article, TV segment, etc should include their title, and throw in a "former" if a reasonably informed person might not know if they're currently in that position.

But it's a silly thing to biatch about. It's the sort of thing they complain about when they don't have enough news to fill a show.
 
2013-08-22 02:19:28 PM  

mediablitz: cman: Since when is a 2 year old blog post considered "evidence"?

When the ACTUAL VIDEO OF THE DEBATES is linked? You know, with exact examples?

Wait, you're the dude in the wrestling thread that was completely clueless about DVD royalties, aren't you?

shiat, no wonder you can't grasp basics.


1. Its still a blog that is filled with bias that links to a Chris Matthews clip
2. I do show up in wrestling threads, but you have me confused with someone else
 
2013-08-22 02:21:53 PM  
Though Matthews does a poor job of making it, I think his point is more that you never hear Tea Partiers call Obama the President, let alone treat him as one.  Their entire attitude toward him is that he was illegitimately elected and is usurping the office.
 
2013-08-22 02:21:56 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Acceptable:
Calling the President by only his last name.  For example, "Eisenhower is one tough son of a biatch."

Not acceptable:
Referring to the president as "Mister ${current president's last name}."  For example, "Mister Reagan sold weapons to Iranian terrorists."
Referring to the president by his full name (including middle names) for no reason and not including his title.  For example, "Herbert Walker Bush decided to go on vacation today, that lazy cracker."


I have a problem with this. George Herbert Walker Bush is a cracker-ass-cracker.
 
2013-08-22 02:28:00 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.


President isn't a title of nobility, by design.
 
2013-08-22 02:28:55 PM  
'President no new wars Obama' is much better than 'crimes against humanity Bush jr'.
'sarah half term palin' or was that 'sarah grifter palin'.
'dick torturer cheney'.

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2013-08-22 02:29:36 PM  
DOCTOR RON PAUL!
 
2013-08-22 02:31:15 PM  

GoldSpider: Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.

President isn't a title of nobility, by design.


George Washington came up with "Mr. President" when people started calling him "your Majesty."  It stuck.
 
2013-08-22 02:35:20 PM  

Rapmaster2000: DOCTOR RON PAUL!


I recall some dipshiat "conservative" blogger complaining about calling Joe's wife "Dr. Biden" because she is "not a real (ie, medical) doctor"

There are some stupid fkn people out there.  Combine that stupidity with the petulance of a four-year-old and you have a teabagger.
 
2013-08-22 02:37:06 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: GoldSpider: Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.

President isn't a title of nobility, by design.

George Washington came up with "Mr. President" when people started calling him "your Majesty."  It stuck.


People like Lando here would love to grovel and scrape and call the US president Your Highness or My Lord.
 
2013-08-22 02:37:56 PM  

GoldSpider: Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.

President isn't a title of nobility, by design.



Queen Elizabeth: It's 'Your Majesty' the first time. After that, it's 'ma'am', as in 'ham'. Not 'ma'am', as in 'palm'.
 
2013-08-22 02:39:08 PM  

Etchy333: Can we please get Dylan Ratigan back?


Nope. He quit and works on a farm or something. Growing killer hydro I hear.
 
2013-08-22 02:41:13 PM  
Bach, Brahms, Dali, Hemingway, Van Gogh, Dickens, Tesla, Schrodinger... all victims of disrespect.
 
2013-08-22 02:42:09 PM  

eraser8: I've always found it perfectly respectful.  And, in fact, it's my habit.


Well, that's because you are dumb and I am not.

jigger: People like Lando here would love to grovel and scrape and call the US president Your Highness or My Lord.


You just watch yourself, or people will be calling your ass "Lando's foot's apartment." Or something. I am too filled with rage to come up with a better insult. I'll be back later.
 
2013-08-22 02:44:23 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.


Knock-knock!

Who's there?

Mister Bush!

Mister Bush who?

Mister Bush, came on her titties!
 
2013-08-22 02:46:27 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: We get it. You believe all Republicans are bigots. You don't have to go in every thread to say it

It might help if any Republicans ever did anything to dissuade anyone from that belief.


I know this one Republican that went into a coma during the Eisenhower administration. You're besmirching his name.
 
2013-08-22 02:47:15 PM  
Lionel Mandrake:

I recall some dipshiat "conservative" blogger complaining about calling Joe's wife "Dr. Biden" because she is "not a real (ie, medical) doctor"

There are some stupid fkn people out there.  Combine that stupidity with the petulance of a four-year-old and you have a teabagger.


"dip-shiat conservative blogger"?
i85.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 02:51:15 PM  

Lando Lincoln: eraser8: I've always found it perfectly respectful.  And, in fact, it's my habit.

Well, that's because you are dumb and I am not.


So, on my side, we've got the New York Times and the BBC.  And, on your side, we have people with giant sandy vaginas.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the dumb one.
 
2013-08-22 02:51:22 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I don't like it when people call the President "Mister." Mister Obama. Mister Bush. It's not a breach of protocol, but I think it should be.


Its standard practice in journalism to use the professional title for the first reference in an article and the personal title in subsequent references. I think it humanizes the office. And that is a good thing.
 
2013-08-22 02:52:52 PM  

eraser8: Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're the dumb one.


No, you are!

I win.
 
2013-08-22 02:53:27 PM  
I'd be insulted if someone called me a Palin. . .
 
2013-08-22 02:54:44 PM  

Somacandra: Its standard practice in journalism to use the professional title for the first reference in an article and the personal title in subsequent references. I think it humanizes the office. And that is a good thing.


If you're using it like that, sure.  Just that I've seen a number of jackasses use it to avoid to actually have to utter "President Obama."
 
2013-08-22 02:55:43 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: George Washington came up with "Mr. President" when people started calling him "your Majesty."  It stuck.


I prefer Generalissimo ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein al-Chicago FartbaMAO

with extra MAO. And you scream the "AL-CHICAGO!!" part.
 
2013-08-22 02:56:07 PM  
In the case of Bush, yes.  In the case of Rubio, Palin, or anyone else who has not been president, no.

FTFA: "but a guy in an Obama mask being chased around a ring by a bull was national news for days"

From what I saw, about 90% of the attention was Real Murcans sputtering, "b-b-b-b-but Bush!"  This article a case in point.  As usual, the right is inept at trolling.
 
2013-08-22 02:56:35 PM  

Somacandra: I think it humanizes the office. And that is a good thing.


I think they're trying to fool themselves into thinking that the President is still in some way just a citizen. That's patently false, but they really would like to convince themselves of that.
 
2013-08-22 02:57:16 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Just that I've seen a number of jackasses use it to avoid to actually have to utter "President Obama."


Yeah, I also remember people derisively referring to "Governor Bush" during his first term in order to undermine his electoral legitimacy.
 
2013-08-22 02:57:59 PM  

Somacandra: I prefer Generalissimo ChairMAO B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein al-Chicago FartbaMAO

with extra MAO. And you scream the "AL-CHICAGO!!" part.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-08-22 03:00:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I think they're trying to fool themselves into thinking that the President is still in some way just a citizen. That's patently false, but they really would like to convince themselves of that.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-08-22 03:01:09 PM  

cman: We get it. He's black


What????!!!!????

Nobody told me this.  Well what now?
 
2013-08-22 03:01:36 PM  

Somacandra: Yeah, I also remember people derisively referring to "Governor Bush" during his first term in order to undermine his electoral legitimacy.


Don't recall anyone doing that, but retarded just the same.  He's governor while running, but once he's pres he's the pres.
 
2013-08-22 03:02:40 PM  
Left-wing, right-wing, I think we can  all come together as a nation and agree that Chis Mathews is a douche.

America, united once again.
 
2013-08-22 03:03:44 PM  

DeaH: Left-wing, right-wing, I think we can  all come together as a nation and agree that Chis Mathews is a douche.

America, united once again.


He looks like the kind of guy that would always be sweaty.
 
2013-08-22 03:04:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Somacandra: I think it humanizes the office. And that is a good thing.

I think they're trying to fool themselves into thinking that the President is still in some way just a citizen. That's patently false, but they really would like to convince themselves of that.


Um...
 
2013-08-22 03:04:35 PM  

mediablitz: I remember having this discussion right after the debates. "Notice how they never say "President Obama"? That isn't an accident".


Oh sure. I remember Ann Coulter desperately trying to make "B. Hussein Obama" stick.
 
2013-08-22 03:09:47 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Somacandra: Yeah, I also remember people derisively referring to "Governor Bush" during his first term in order to undermine his electoral legitimacy.

Don't recall anyone doing that, but retarded just the same.  He's governor while running, but once he's pres he's the pres.


My favorites (I still see the second one around) is from the 90's. I remember seeing and hearing several criticisms referring to "President-Erect Clinton" and "Hillary Ramrod Clinton" as well.
 
2013-08-22 03:10:15 PM  
Great....dragging out the old "they-are-not-calling-the-president-"the_president" complaint show topic.


Another slow news week at MSNBC I guess.

They were hoping for another, bombing, natural disaster or royal baby to furl their unibrows at, but it was not to be had.

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2013-08-22 03:13:24 PM  
Well, considering what republicans usually call him, simply calling him "Obama" is a step up.
 
2013-08-22 03:17:32 PM  

Wendy's Chili: I glad this dingbat's show is being scaled back to one broadcast per night. I hope Michael Smerconish gets his 5pm slot.


They are bringing back Ed Schultz for the 5pm slot.

Link
 
2013-08-22 03:19:20 PM  

Neighborhood Watch: I'm sensing panic mode on the left.


Nah, those are still your balls.
 
2013-08-22 03:21:30 PM  

Somacandra: Satanic_Hamster: Just that I've seen a number of jackasses use it to avoid to actually have to utter "President Obama."

Yeah, I also remember people derisively referring to "Governor Bush" during his first term in order to undermine his electoral legitimacy.


No, you don't.
 
2013-08-22 03:25:28 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Lionel Mandrake:

I recall some dipshiat "conservative" blogger complaining about calling Joe's wife "Dr. Biden" because she is "not a real (ie, medical) doctor"

There are some stupid fkn people out there.  Combine that stupidity with the petulance of a four-year-old and you have a teabagger.

"dip-shiat conservative blogger"?
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Yeah, I know...redundant
 
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