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2013-08-22 08:21:44 AM
In other news, turtleneck sweater sales are up!
 
2013-08-22 09:00:44 AM
I blame the jews.
 
2013-08-22 10:05:36 AM
Tipping thread.
 
2013-08-22 10:44:59 AM
Cut to the bone?
 
2013-08-22 11:19:26 AM
In other news: tipping falls as wages soar, Mac sales have plummeted, League of Legends shuts down, Ford has bought GM, Coke wins a blind taste test  and the console/hardware divisions of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo have mysteriously caught fire

/soon the Democrats and Republicans will band together to make the gridlock more efficiently locked, then we'll have nothing left to talk about on the internet
 
2013-08-22 12:08:11 PM
Circumcision leads to lower rates of something called meatitis.
 
2013-08-22 12:14:21 PM

Fo Shiz: Circumcision leads to lower rates of something called meatitis.


Except for the part where circumcision actually leads to higher rates of meatitis.
 
2013-08-22 12:14:40 PM
I, for one, did not declaw my newborn son.
 
2013-08-22 12:16:21 PM
Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?
 
2013-08-22 12:20:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Fo Shiz: Circumcision leads to lower rates of something called meatitis.

Except for the part where circumcision actually leads to higher rates of meatitis.


I was trying to make a joke.  Meatitis.

/A simple google search will show multiple scientific articles whose findings report that meatitis is found exclusively in uncircumcised men.
//It probably also find some pseudoscientic crap too
///I don't know what to think because Jenny McCarthy hasn't told me yet.
 
2013-08-22 12:31:15 PM
I put on my robe and wizard hat.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:27 PM

Diogenes: Tipping thread.


LOL!
 
2013-08-22 12:33:39 PM
I actually dumped a woman who was shewishly insistent that if we had any kids they'd be uncut.
 
2013-08-22 12:33:48 PM
Freaks who aren't circumcised are unnatural, dirty, hippies. Who would want to even *touch* one? EWWWWWWWWWW!

(11/10)
 
2013-08-22 12:33:52 PM
i131.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 12:34:42 PM
Boys 'n' the hood
 
2013-08-22 12:34:48 PM
You have fun with that, ladies!
 
2013-08-22 12:35:02 PM
How cheesy.
 
2013-08-22 12:35:18 PM
[scaredturtle.jpg]
 
2013-08-22 12:37:03 PM

Two kinds of people in this world


i26.photobucket.com

and

i26.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 12:37:32 PM
Hmmmm...maybe I'll have calamari for dinner.
 
2013-08-22 12:37:33 PM
The only way to lose a foreskin is to wear it off.
 
2013-08-22 12:38:22 PM
The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:01 PM

Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?


Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.
 
2013-08-22 12:40:26 PM
I would say more of a trim subby,
 
2013-08-22 12:41:23 PM

Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?


That, and a large number of modern psychohipster parents (the type who also think diapers are wrong and that having the baby shiat and piss on the streets, in the sink, or in a vase in the living room is "more natural", along with other weird parenting ideas) aren't having it done because they saw a web documentary on it and they think it's the counter-culture, new-world, enlightened thing to do.

I, for one, am grateful that my parents had it done. Call it my western aesthetic values, if you wish, but I just think it looks better, and so have my partners.
 
2013-08-22 12:41:26 PM

SpeedyBB: The only way to lose a foreskin is to wear it off.


Same rules apply for a mustache
 
2013-08-22 12:44:21 PM
Sweet, you get to have that awkward birds and bees conversation and smegma.
 
2013-08-22 12:46:01 PM

Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?


No, it's a cultural preference.
 
2013-08-22 12:46:21 PM
The boy got to keep his.
 
2013-08-22 12:47:52 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-08-22 12:48:24 PM
I'm personally offended that people don't crush the left testicle of their offspring with a rock, like all right-thinking human beings.
 
2013-08-22 12:49:36 PM
The numbers can't be right as a gay guy I pay a lot of attention to cocks and between the guys I am with and the guys at te gym it may be 1 out of 50 guys under 50 that are not cut not the 30% the article says back in 79
 
2013-08-22 12:49:37 PM

ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.


I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.
 
2013-08-22 12:50:55 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.


I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote
 
2013-08-22 12:52:02 PM
Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)
 
2013-08-22 12:52:34 PM
I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?
 
2013-08-22 12:53:41 PM

CJHardin: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.


And not needing lube for masturbation.
 
2013-08-22 12:53:54 PM

Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote


Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?
 
2013-08-22 12:54:42 PM
<i>The lead author of the report, Maria Owings, a health statistician with the center, emphasized that the report includes no explanation for the numbers. " </i>

Here's the reason: the white birth rate has fallen. And the traditional white soccer moms are the ones for circumcisions. My sister is a nurse who works on the baby floor of a hospital. She said it's mostly Spanish people now having babies...and the hospital is in a mostly white area. Hispanics aren't into circumcision as much as whites, thus the falling rate.
 
2013-08-22 12:55:20 PM
"The ladies love it!"

www.momentmag.com
 
2013-08-22 12:55:25 PM
Good.

img.photobucket.com

What does god need with a foreskin?


/Barbaric
 
2013-08-22 12:55:52 PM

rubi_con_man: I actually dumped a woman who was shewishly insistent that if we had any kids they'd be uncut.


So, you dumped someone because they didn't want their children to be mutilated in the name of an ancient Jewish superstition?

That's, kind of frightening, actually....
 
2013-08-22 12:56:53 PM

ZeroCorpse: Call it my western aesthetic values


There's only one western country where circumcision is common.

cardex: The numbers can't be right as a gay guy I pay a lot of attention to cocks and between the guys I am with and the guys at te gym it may be 1 out of 50 guys under 50 that are not cut not the 30% the article says back in 79


I'm going to guess you're in the Mid-West? *checks profile* Yep.
 
2013-08-22 01:01:02 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)


Our doctor pretty much told us not to, very much "well of course it's your decision but there's no good reason to, you'll have to pay out of pocket and schedule a separate appointment."
 
2013-08-22 01:03:29 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Nana's Vibrator: Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)

Our doctor pretty much told us not to, very much "well of course it's your decision but there's no good reason to, you'll have to pay out of pocket and schedule a separate appointment."


I had a midwife, it didn't even come up in discussion.  I guess if I'd wanted it done, we would have discussed, but noone in either my or my husband's family is cut (white as they come Canadians, all of us).  It seems completely unnecessary.
 
2013-08-22 01:04:23 PM
Helmets over here. I waffled in regards to our 2nd boy-child, but Mrs. loaba insisted that he get mutilated like me and his older brother.

Meh.

/ if you're rock'n a turtleneck, just keep it clean.
 
2013-08-22 01:06:10 PM
Penises are MUCH sexier uncircumcised.
 
2013-08-22 01:07:53 PM

Civchic: God Is My Co-Pirate: Nana's Vibrator: Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)

Our doctor pretty much told us not to, very much "well of course it's your decision but there's no good reason to, you'll have to pay out of pocket and schedule a separate appointment."

I had a midwife, it didn't even come up in discussion.  I guess if I'd wanted it done, we would have discussed, but noone in either my or my husband's family is cut (white as they come Canadians, all of us).  It seems completely unnecessary.


Yeah, up here in Canada there really is a big trend away from it.
 
2013-08-22 01:09:23 PM
As a cyclist who just did a lot of training miles and is experiencing some unfortunate chafing, I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Sometimes I think a little extra protection sleeve sounds nifty.
 
2013-08-22 01:09:30 PM

CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?


She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.
 
2013-08-22 01:09:55 PM
I don't think cosmetic surgery on newborns is that great an idea...keep it clean and ur gtg. Same as teaching little girls how to wipe...keep it clean!
 
2013-08-22 01:10:08 PM
I was born in Ireland in 1960 and wasn't. Come high school gym class it was clear I was in a very small minority. When my sons were born that factored into our choice to, um, alter them. It's a decision I sometimes regret. I dunno.
 
2013-08-22 01:10:33 PM

Civchic: God Is My Co-Pirate: Nana's Vibrator: Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)

Our doctor pretty much told us not to, very much "well of course it's your decision but there's no good reason to, you'll have to pay out of pocket and schedule a separate appointment."

I had a midwife, it didn't even come up in discussion.  I guess if I'd wanted it done, we would have discussed, but noone in either my or my husband's family is cut (white as they come Canadians, all of us).  It seems completely unnecessary.


It follows that if you have a midwife, you're probably not going to be following traditional medicinal guidelines.
 
2013-08-22 01:10:55 PM

Target Builder: ZeroCorpse: Call it my western aesthetic values

There's only one western country where circumcision is common.


And I live in it, therefore, I'm glad my cock fits the American ideal of what is aesthetically pleasing to the women I've known, all of whom also lived in America with American aesthetic values (even the immigrants). I'm glad my parents' decision makes my current fiancee very happy. I'm glad I don't have to clean smegma out of my foreskin, too.

I certainly don't feel "mutilated" by any definition of the word. "Grateful" is a more fitting word.
 
2013-08-22 01:12:50 PM
Midwives are smart, and don't believe in genital mutilation.
 
2013-08-22 01:13:27 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Yeah, up here in Canada there really is a big trend away from it.


Trend - exactly.

Basically, for me, it comes down to how well I can police my kids. I have a hard enough time mandating showers and teeth brushing. Having to add cock cleaning to the list wouldn't kill me, but it would be just one more thing to remind 'em about.

And really, if it's just a trend-thing... Don't need it.
 
2013-08-22 01:15:10 PM

Nurglitch: I'm personally offended that people don't crush the left testicle of their offspring with a rock, like all right-thinking human beings.


Not this old granite versus limestone debate....again!

/congratulations, America, on the slight reduction in your rate of infant genital mutilation.
 
2013-08-22 01:15:57 PM
After having to get circumsized at the good ol age of 18 and remembering the pain my son got cut as soon as he was born
 
2013-08-22 01:17:24 PM
Among many other things, porn has taught me that circumcision is best dick.
 
2013-08-22 01:18:02 PM

Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.


Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.
 
2013-08-22 01:18:38 PM

thegrievingmole: CJHardin: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.

And not needing lube for masturbation.


I am cut and I don't need any.
 
2013-08-22 01:20:41 PM
Hospitals charge quite a lot of money for this procedure and the amount varies quite a bit depending on the Hospital (from $235 to $2,150 in Alaska). When questioned on how they could justify charging over $2000.00 the answer seems to be that: 1) they have to have a hospital on standby in case something goes wrong 2) They usually only collect a fraction of the $2000.00 from insurance companies.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/08/21/214130307/an-alaska-sized -p rice-difference-for-circumcisions
 
2013-08-22 01:21:23 PM

Mitochondrial Eve: Penises are MUCH sexier uncircumcised.


Why thank you.
 
2013-08-22 01:25:21 PM
Those numbers fall under the "lies, damn lies, and statistics" end of things. They only count circumcisions done in hospitals - not those done in religious ceremonies or in doctor's offices. There's reason to believe there's been a decrease, but there's also reason to believe that more people are having circumcisions done outside of a hospital setting. So the real numbers are unknown.
 
2013-08-22 01:25:49 PM

CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.


Hey, I've met people who real life who think tuna fish is gross and also prefer PCs. I don't understand it. But I rarely attempt to imply any correlation or other link between the two.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:38 PM
as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.
 
2013-08-22 01:26:42 PM

mesmer242: Those numbers fall under the "lies, damn lies, and statistics" end of things. They only count circumcisions done in hospitals - not those done in religious ceremonies or in doctor's offices. There's reason to believe there's been a decrease, but there's also reason to believe that more people are having circumcisions done outside of a hospital setting. So the real numbers are unknown.


It should be in your passport. Wait. You Americans don't have those either.
 
2013-08-22 01:28:19 PM
This girl I was dating in Germany said to me one time "I like American boys better because you are how you say "snip, snip?"
 
2013-08-22 01:28:27 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Call it bias or whatever, but after both my sons were born, the doctors at the hospital made a strong case for circumcision and essentially told us we would simply be wrong by choosing otherwise.  I confess, I tended to believe the doctors in the hospital that was ranked #1 in the US (#2 behind Hopkins this year)



Did they perform the surgery for free - as a humanitarian gesture?

What? They GOT PAID?

Did they also offer an extended warranty?
 
2013-08-22 01:31:30 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: It should be in your passport. Wait. You Americans don't have those either.


Don't need them. Soon, you Europeans won't either.
 
2013-08-22 01:32:09 PM

Raspil: it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.


You'd be wrong. Circumcised guys prefer to believe women run in terror from uncut guys, and nothing any woman can say will change that.
 
2013-08-22 01:38:26 PM

Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.


Time to break out the tube-socks and cucumbers? Or the anatomically-correct puppets?
 
2013-08-22 01:38:39 PM

Theaetetus: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.

Hey, I've met people who real life who think tuna fish is gross and also prefer PCs. I don't understand it. But I rarely attempt to imply any correlation or other link between the two.


Yes, that's a fair example of a similar correlation.
 
2013-08-22 01:40:07 PM

Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.


But how do you know it's his uncut-ness and not other things?  Don't mean that in a "go on" kind of way, just curious.
 
2013-08-22 01:41:41 PM

keypusher: Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.

But how do you know it's his uncut-ness and not other things?  Don't mean that in a "go on" kind of way, just curious.


I think you're fishing for the 'explicit' part.
 
2013-08-22 01:42:51 PM

jigger: Coming on a Bicycle: It should be in your passport. Wait. You Americans don't have those either.

Don't need them. Soon, you Europeans won't either.


It could be an identifying trait. You know, a dick-print.
 
2013-08-22 01:43:15 PM

CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.


You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.
 
2013-08-22 01:43:22 PM
js3tp
thegrievingmole

And not needing lube for masturbation.

I am cut and I don't need any.


Have no problem without lube, and for the sensitivity issue, I wouldn't want to be any more sensitive in that area or I wouldn't be able to last the whole 30 seconds like I can now.....
 
2013-08-22 01:44:32 PM
I meant women/females, not "girls".^
 
2013-08-22 01:45:30 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.


Having only been with only one guy who was uncut I must admit I preferred it. There was something naturally sexy about it. And it had nothing to do with how he performed because he needed help in that regard.
 
2013-08-22 01:45:54 PM
It frightens and disgusts me that so many people are adamant that knives be taken to infants' genitals.
 
2013-08-22 01:48:22 PM
The article didn't get into this, but how much of the decline can be attributed to the increase in minority populations (where this isn't a custom) in the US?
 
2013-08-22 01:48:56 PM
This whole mess started when God ordered Abraham to circumcise himself, his offspring and all of his kinsmen.

Of course, God meant to say castrate, but in fairness, he was drunk at the time.
 
2013-08-22 01:50:36 PM

Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.


It has nothing to do with you being in love, of course.
 
2013-08-22 01:51:22 PM

megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.


Yeah. Uhm. About that. You *are* aware of the motivations behind the early male circumcision movement in the US, right? Just mentioning it, you know. To save you from embarrassment. An' all.

/ *cough*
 
2013-08-22 01:52:46 PM

Target Builder: There's only one western country where circumcision is common.


Israel is no longer considered "western"?
 
2013-08-22 01:55:08 PM

This text is now purple: Target Builder: There's only one western country where circumcision is common.

Israel is no longer considered "western"?


All right then. There are *two*, I repeat, *two* western countries where circumcision is common.

/ 'Among the western countries where circumcision is common, we count...'
 
2013-08-22 01:55:45 PM

megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.


I am aware that female genital mutilation is done for that purpose.  I would go so far as to say that the origins of male circumcision was brought about for some of the same reasons but it became more commonplace as many religions advocate them and they inevitably became the norm and was considered aesthetically pleasing.   As far as cleanliness I nor any male I know has had a problem allotting time to clean his penis.  It seems the major difference in those that are cut and the ones that are not is that those who are uncut have more nerve endings remaining on their penis  and tend to report that they enjoy sex more.  The end effect of the circumcision is loss of sensitivity any way you slice it.  Pun intended.

I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.
 
2013-08-22 01:56:46 PM

Coming on a Bicycle: megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.

Yeah. Uhm. About that. You *are* aware of the motivations behind the early male circumcision movement in the US, right? Just mentioning it, you know. To save you from embarrassment. An' all.

/ *cough*


Yeah. I know that. And that's equally weird/offensive. But I don't think that's what he was referring to. I obviously could be wrong (typed "wong"...nice save autocorrect).

I'm mostly referring to what's going on now with female genital mutilation vs. current reasons for circumcision.
 
2013-08-22 01:57:43 PM

CJHardin: megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.

I am aware that female genital mutilation is done for that purpose.  I would go so far as to say that the origins of male circumcision was brought about for some of the same reasons but it became more commonplace as many religions advocate them and they inevitably became the norm and was considered aesthetically pleasing.   As far as cleanliness I nor any male I know has had a problem allotting time to clean his penis.  It seems the major difference in those that are cut and the ones that are not is that those who are uncut have more nerve endings remaining on their penis  and tend to report that they enjoy sex more.  The end effect of the circumcision is loss of sensitivity any way you slice it.  Pun intended.

I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.


Ah. Well that makes much more sense.
 
2013-08-22 02:03:16 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.


I personally prefer UNcut...  but i'm a fairly small sample size.
 
2013-08-22 02:04:21 PM

poison_amy: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I personally prefer UNcut...  but i'm a fairly small sample size.


Really?
 
2013-08-22 02:05:10 PM

megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.


you do know that male genital mutilation is mostly done so a male can't experience as much pleasure from sex, right?  It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about men that like sex = horny guys that don't pay attention in church.

/soap & water... how does it work?
 
2013-08-22 02:06:54 PM

inner ted: megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.

you do know that male genital mutilation is mostly done so a male can't experience as much pleasure from sex, right?  It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about men that like sex = horny guys that don't pay attention in church.

/soap & water... how does it work?


Yes, I understand that. But RIGHT NOW it's more about looks and assumed cleanliness. I don't necessarily agree with those ideas.
 
2013-08-22 02:07:05 PM

CJHardin: megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.

I am aware that female genital mutilation is done for that purpose.  I would go so far as to say that the origins of male circumcision was brought about for some of the same reasons but it became more commonplace as many religions advocate them and they inevitably became the norm and was considered aesthetically pleasing.   As far as cleanliness I nor any male I know has had a problem allotting time to clean his penis.  It seems the major difference in those that are cut and the ones that are not is ...


or what this fellow says.
his words are good.
 
2013-08-22 02:07:24 PM
dl.dropboxusercontent.com

Here, take my card!
 
2013-08-22 02:09:02 PM

inner ted: CJHardin: megarian: CJHardin: Theaetetus: CJHardin: Kazaa: The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.

I can say that I went to a party once, and a women quite loudly announced to her friends that she preferred cut, and that uncut felt "gross".  None of the friends objected to the comment.  However, I think most of them couldn't believe she said it that loudly.

/loud music
//anecdote is anecdote

Quote fail:  sigh.

I wonder what her thoughts on the aesthetics of female genital mutilation are?

She probably thinks that it's a different question, and only a troll would attempt to conflate the two.

Good thing I didn't intend it to be a troll.  I have met the type of women in real life that would call an uncircumcised penis gross and also condemn female genital mutilation.  I don't understand it.  I do understand that his anecdote did not include her thoughts on the other matter but I would guess that she would not say that uncut labia are gross.  Both procedures are mutilation in my opinion so I am taken aback by her view that an unmutilated penis is in her view "gross".  So sorry I voiced my snark and asked what is in my opinion a relevant question on your internets.

You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.

I am aware that female genital mutilation is done for that purpose.  I would go so far as to say that the origins of male circumcision was brought about for some of the same reasons but it became more commonplace as many religions advocate them and they inevitably became the norm and was considered aesthetically pleasing.   As far as cleanliness I nor any male I know has had a problem allotting time to clean his penis.  It seems the major difference in those that are cut and the ones that are not is ...

or what this fellow says.
his words are good.


I have to agree with you here. He worded that nicely.
 
2013-08-22 02:10:21 PM
Circumcision: for parents afraid of their children's naughty bits
 
2013-08-22 02:11:07 PM

CJHardin: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.


And this is why I'm sad I'm circumsised.

/Also I have sensitivity issues, too
//20,000 extra nerve endings matter so much more when it would double what you have
 
2013-08-22 02:13:31 PM

thegrievingmole: And not needing lube for masturbation.


This is what uncircumcised people actually believe.
 
2013-08-22 02:14:14 PM

CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.


Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.
 
2013-08-22 02:14:16 PM

loaba: God Is My Co-Pirate: Yeah, up here in Canada there really is a big trend away from it.

Trend - exactly.

Basically, for me, it comes down to how well I can police my kids. I have a hard enough time mandating showers and teeth brushing. Having to add cock cleaning to the list wouldn't kill me, but it would be just one more thing to remind 'em about.

And really, if it's just a trend-thing... Don't need it.


I love this argument. Are there a lot of circumcised guys out the NOT cleaning their junk?
 
2013-08-22 02:16:01 PM

Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.


I like how this^ was worded, too.
 
2013-08-22 02:16:09 PM
TEAM HELMET

/Like the fact that I don't look like Eurotrash when nekkid.
 
2013-08-22 02:18:47 PM

Gilligann: thegrievingmole: And not needing lube for masturbation.

This is what uncircumcised people actually believe.


'Believe' as in 'atheism is a religion'. They don't need it, so they don't consider it.
 
2013-08-22 02:19:53 PM
This topic always brings out the dicks.
 
2013-08-22 02:20:04 PM
Uncut, and happy that way.
 
2013-08-22 02:24:30 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: It frightens and disgusts me that so many people are adamant that knives be taken to infants' genitals.


Seems that by using words like frightened and disgusted you're the one who's being adamant.  Me, I'm pro choice and I'm fine with whatever the parents decide.
 
2013-08-22 02:33:44 PM

Theaetetus: In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision.


This is the one of the most disingenuous arguments for circumcision. EVERY single alleged benefit is easily obtained with basic hygiene and condom use. All without an unnecessary, dangerous, unethical surgical alteration on an unconsenting baby. Shall I link to reported statistics on circumcision accidents, including penis amputation, massive infection and death? I'm pretty sure the little boys who had their dicks cut off or who died would have liked the choice to wash it instead.

Pull out a small handful of worthless studies conducted in sub-surhran Africa funded by biased religious groups and I'll point and laugh.

Eh, you know what? The war is being won and this barbaric cultural ritual is slowly dying out. This is good news.
 
2013-08-22 02:35:26 PM
Seems to me that many (most?) of the pro-chop hacks are religious/ethnic zealots who fear that one day their precious barbaric ritual will one day be outlawed.

Personally, I don't give a shiat what you do to your  crotch and your crotchfruit, but please, at least be honest about it, and don't try con others into following you in your insanity by pretending that it's "healthy" or "hygienic".
 
2013-08-22 02:35:32 PM

megarian: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

I like how this^ was worded, too.


I just have a firm opinion on the matter.  I wish that my foreskin was still intact and that I was given the choice.

My opinion does not mean anything, as it is only my opinion.  I do believe that the benefits of circumcision do not outweigh the risk, but that is for others to decide when it comes time to decide for their own child, and whose decision may negate their child's ability to choose for themselves when they are old enough.  I do agree that there is absolutely no medical benefit to female genital mutilation, so at least we agree on that.
 
2013-08-22 02:35:56 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Uncut, and happy that way.


....  how YOU doin'?
 
2013-08-22 02:37:18 PM

poison_amy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Uncut, and happy that way.

....  how YOU doin'?


check your email
 
2013-08-22 02:37:24 PM

Mr. Eugenides: Me, I'm pro choice and I'm fine with whatever the parents decide.


While the one who actually suffers has no say in the matter.
 
2013-08-22 02:39:07 PM
I see the censors are being extra sensitive today. Nevermind the pictures were totally on topic, made a very relevant point, and were not anything you wouldn't see on CNN or any normal, safe news source.

Don't like that, nope not one bit.

/Gone
 
2013-08-22 02:40:09 PM

yukichigai: CJHardin: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.

And this is why I'm sad I'm circumsised.

/Also I have sensitivity issues, too
//20,000 extra nerve endings matter so much more when it would double what you have


Yeah, being able to last a long time during sex as a teen and mid 20's guy made me feel like a rock star.  These days I'd welcome the additional stimulation.  I'm not saying that lasting a while is a bad thing necessarily but there are times when I'd like to be a bit more brief in the act.
 
2013-08-22 02:42:10 PM
The folds of flesh are flavor savors.
 
2013-08-22 02:42:29 PM

CJHardin: megarian: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

I like how this^ was worded, too.

I just have a firm opinion on the matter.  I wish that my foreskin was still intact and that I was given the choice.

My opinion does not mean anything, as it is only my opinion.  I do believe that the benefits of circumcision do not outweigh the risk, but that is for others to decide when it comes time to decide for their own child, and whose decision may negate their child's ability to choose for themselves when they are old enough.  I do agree that there is absolutely no medical benefit to female genital mutilation, so at least we agree on that.


Well, all of that is a pretty reasonable opinion.

Also, penises are weird in general. I don't understand how getting snipped makes them less weird, but to each their own.

This is coming from someone who puts ketchup on hot dogs, so I obviously have unresolved mental issues.
 
2013-08-22 02:42:30 PM

Mitochondrial Eve: Penises are MUCH sexier uncircumcised.


This.

I've had four long-term relationships in my life. Two were cut and two were not.  I much preferred the uncut, especially for oral.  I LOVE running my tongue around the head under the foreskin...no complaints from recipients either.
 
2013-08-22 02:44:15 PM

PurplePearls: Mitochondrial Eve: Penises are MUCH sexier uncircumcised.

This.

I've had four long-term relationships in my life. Two were cut and two were not.  I much preferred the uncut, especially for oral.  I LOVE running my tongue around the head under the foreskin...no complaints from recipients either.


I can't imagine any complaints about that.
 
2013-08-22 02:46:05 PM

megarian: This is coming from someone who puts ketchup on hot dogs, so I obviously have unresolved mental issues.


Is that a euphemism?

/I apply the forbidden condiment as well so call me crazy.
//Big whoop, wanna fight about it!
 
2013-08-22 02:48:53 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision.

This is the one of the most disingenuous arguments for circumcision. EVERY single alleged benefit is easily obtained with basic hygiene and condom use.


That doesn't make it disingenuous, since you admit that it's true. There are also good arguments against relying solely on condoms.

All without an unnecessary, dangerous, unethical surgical alteration on an unconsenting baby.

Now that's a disingenuous argument. If your argument relies on your personal opinion and bias, rather than facts, you're not going to persuade anyone except yourself.

Shall I link to reported statistics on circumcision accidents, including penis amputation, massive infection and death? I'm pretty sure the little boys who had their dicks cut off or who died would have liked the choice to wash it instead.

By all means, Mrs. Lovejoy. Statistics would be far better than your table pounding and "think of the children!"-ing.

Pull out a small handful of worthless studies conducted in sub-surhran Africa funded by biased religious groups and I'll point and laugh.

We already did this in the last thread. Remember? You're the idiot who thinks that America, Europe, and China are in sub-Saharan Africa. The one who fled the thread, never to return, when it was pointed out that you don't actually read any links when you attempt to refute them.
 
2013-08-22 02:50:31 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: poison_amy: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Uncut, and happy that way.

....  how YOU doin'?

check your email


Er, try now.
 
2013-08-22 02:51:25 PM

CJHardin: megarian: This is coming from someone who puts ketchup on hot dogs, so I obviously have unresolved mental issues.

Is that a euphemism?

/I apply the forbidden condiment as well so call me crazy.
//Big whoop, wanna fight about it!


Now it is.

Welp, nice knowing you. The Fark Anti-Ketchup Brigade has our locations and we will soon have to be forced to accept our condimentectomy.
 
2013-08-22 02:55:37 PM

FarkinHostile: I see the censors are being extra sensitive today. Nevermind the pictures were totally on topic, made a very relevant point, and were not anything you wouldn't see on CNN or any normal, safe news source.

Don't like that, nope not one bit.

/Gone



Maybe these will be better?

cdn.ebaumsworld.com

CUT

www.scrapsfathima.com.br

UNCUT
 
2013-08-22 02:59:06 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Uncut, and happy that way.


*This
/wife also happy
 
2013-08-22 03:00:40 PM

Theaetetus: We already did this in the last thread. Remember? You're the idiot who thinks that America, Europe, and China are in sub-Saharan Africa. The one who fled the thread, never to return, when it was pointed out that you don't actually read any links when you attempt to refute them.


You DO know that threads are archived, right?

http://m.fark.com/comments/7869926/It-looks-like-there-might-actuall y- be-some-women-out-there-willing-to-give-uncircumcised-men-a-blowjob?st artid=85694765
 
2013-08-22 03:03:28 PM
Assertion1) Penises look odd no matter what
Assertion 2) Clean your penis, no matter what
Assertion 3) People who make other people feel bad for the choice their parents made for them at birth are suck bags and deserve a case of the clap
Assertion 4) If a woman is so shallow she's willing to break up with you based on your foreskin status alone, she's not a keeper... not even a candidate for a brief fling, in my book
Assertion 5) Ladies- calling one or the other gross or even stating a strong preference is like a guy doing the same thing with boob size or labia size or any other number of things you have no control over.  It's certainly your perogative to do so but think how a guy comes off with such vocal opinions on lady bits before you do.

Discuss.
 
2013-08-22 03:11:05 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: We already did this in the last thread. Remember? You're the idiot who thinks that America, Europe, and China are in sub-Saharan Africa. The one who fled the thread, never to return, when it was pointed out that you don't actually read any links when you attempt to refute them.

You DO know that threads are archived, right?

http://m.fark.com/comments/7869926/It-looks-like-there-might-actuall y- be-some-women-out-there-willing-to-give-uncircumcised-men-a-blowjob?st artid=85694765


Yes, I do. Do you?

Me: "Oh, and just for good measure, here's a 2011 study to counter your letter from two decades ago:
There was a strong protective effect of childhood/adolescent circumcision on invasive penile cancer (OR = 0.33; 95% CI 0.13-0.83; 3 studies).
"

You: "Be honest, you don't even read the links, do you? You google quickly, then when you find something you THINK backs your position, you post it. These Sub-Saharan African studies, funded by religious groups, are so not applicable to the west it's not funny, but some nitwit always breaks them out in these threads.

Don't bother linking any more studies from the 1960s in Africa. You've already shown how worthless they, and you, are."


The actual study:
Description of eligible papers
The eight papers evaluating the effect of circumcision on penile cancer included one cross-sectional study and seven case-control studies (Table 1). Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).


Your response:
s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-08-22 03:12:07 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Raspil: it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.

You'd be wrong. Circumcised guys prefer to believe women run in terror from uncut guys, and nothing any woman can say will change that.


bless their hearts, then.  they don't know what they're missing and that's really sad.  or maybe they do and this is their way of feeling something something

/because they are missing feeling where it counts
 
2013-08-22 03:12:32 PM
At this point, I just feel sorry for FarkinHostile. While a normal person would say, "gosh, you're right, I didn't read your link. I thought you meant some other study, not this new one," he instead doubles down and insists that Europe, China, and America are in Africa. That takes some serious insecurity.
 
2013-08-22 03:13:05 PM

Nurglitch: Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.

Time to break out the tube-socks and cucumbers? Or the anatomically-correct puppets?


no, i have a man in my life that i love and who loves me and he's is hung and natural.  what are you talking about
 
2013-08-22 03:13:40 PM

FarkinHostile: I see the censors are being extra sensitive today. Nevermind the pictures were totally on topic, made a very relevant point, and were not anything you wouldn't see on CNN or any normal, safe news source.

Don't like that, nope not one bit.

/Gone


did you show that picture of circumcised and uncircumcised penises and color coded regions showing sensitivity threshold? thats a good infographic and i used to have it but i lost it and NCFM is down so i cant find it. was going to post it myself
 
2013-08-22 03:13:44 PM
Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....
 
2013-08-22 03:19:25 PM

keypusher: Raspil: as a female who'd only had sex with circumcised men until i met my current boyfriend/future husband, who is intact, i have to say that without a doubt uncut is better.  i'd been one of those "it's cleaner/looks better" kind of believers until i met my guy.  it's different in a better way for him and me. unless you know, you don't know and i can't describe it without getting explicit.

/it seems that this is one topic where men care what women think, about dicks.

But how do you know it's his uncut-ness and not other things?  Don't mean that in a "go on" kind of way, just curious.


to answer this and ZeroChance/Corpse (whoever) -- i had sex with him before i fell in love with him.  i also had sex with cut guys before i fell in love with them.  but he was the first intact fellow i'd been with and i was like wut and gave it a chance because i liked him a lot and wanted to be with him and what, i'm gonna ask him to get circumcised or something?  no, that is insane.  i found i liked it better and that helped us get closer in all ways.  we'll be together 5 years on September 1st.  is this all coincidence?  a happy accident?  don't know and it doesn't matter.  it is what it is.  i'm just weighing in with real-world research and not just a guesstimated opinion (on Fark?  imagine that).
 
2013-08-22 03:19:56 PM

Theaetetus: At this point, I just feel sorry for FarkinHostile.


Son, I've seen the pictures you used to have up of you and your wife. Save your false pity. I understand why you are so unhappy, but I don't agree with the intellectual dishonesty. At best you are misleading and intellectual dishonest. At worst you are a liar.

Everyone who has any interest will just read the old thread, check out your links, and see whats up.
 
2013-08-22 03:22:03 PM
I think it's time for a Dick picture.

abovethelaw.com
 
2013-08-22 03:23:17 PM
This thread got all kerfuffled.
 
2013-08-22 03:24:11 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: At this point, I just feel sorry for FarkinHostile.

Son, I've seen the pictures you used to have up of you and your wife.


Jeez, man, just because everyone can see you're a liar doesn't mean you have to resort to personal attacks. Particularly when I've never had any pictures in my profile.

Everyone who has any interest will just read the old thread, check out your links, and see whats up.

Yep, and it's quoted above, too. They can see you insisting that a study on Europe, Africa, and America covers "sub-Saharan Africa".

Dude, seriously. You're turning into a joke. Step away from the keyboard and take a deep breath.
 
2013-08-22 03:24:18 PM

Warning, Not safe for lunch or work:
http://youtu.be/m_zkKciuIpA?t=2m28s
...


http://muppetsmom.blogspot. com/2010_06_01_archive.html

A Nursing Student is Introduced to Circumcision
by: Darlene Owen

I wouldn't say that I'm fanatical about it or anything, but I do have a very strong opinion about it, and am completely against it. I strongly believe in genital integrity for both, females and males.

I'm talking about circumcision.

I had never given it much thought before, until as a nursing student I actually saw a circumcision performed on a two day old, male infant. After witnessing the procedure, I began to question this very unnecessary procedure, and tried to reason what I can only describe as torture that was carried out on that innocent little baby who had no voice, no one to help him.

Witnessing that circumcision led me to educate myself as much as I could on the topic, and question a lot of the myths surrounding circumcision, and discover the actual truths.

I grew up like everyone else with the very wrong mis-conception that circumcisions were "no big deal", and were "cleaner, healthier" etc.

I was in my second year of nursing and looking forward to my clinical rotation in Labour and Delivery since it was the area I was most interested in, and knew most likely would be the career path I would take in nursing.

It was my second day on the unit, when the nurse I was following and observing, informed me that I would be helping her to assist a doctor that morning with a circumcision.

My nurse and I set up for the procedure and talked about what was to be involved. My nurse made it sound as though it was a very minor procedure and quite simple really.

I went with the nurse to the mom's room that was having her son circumcised that morning. The nurse asked the infants' parents if they had any questions, both parents simply replied, "no". If only they knew what their poor little baby was in for.

The nurse asked the parents if they wished to be present during the circumcision and watch the procedure performed. Neither parent was interested, so we then headed with the baby in her arms to the "procedure room", which was simply... the nursery.

The nurse unswaddled the calm, sleeping baby, and proceeded to undress him. The baby began to fuss a little since it was a little cold in the room, and I'm sure he didn't appreciate being unwrapped and removed from his warm, cozy blankets.

The nurse then layed the now naked infant down on a hard plastic body board and strapped down his arms and legs. The baby was crying very hard now, trying to fight having his arms and legs strapped down in such a straight unnatural position for a newborn.

The doctor then walked in, and was very friendly when the nurse introduced me and informed him that I was a nursing student who was joining them that morning to observe. While the doctor was talking to me, he seemed impervious to the now screaming infant. I wasn't even really hearing the doctor at that point, all I kept thinking was, 'Someone please unstrap that poor little guy, and pick him up and comfort him already.' The doctor saw my obvious distress and smiled and said, "Oh, don't worry about him, he just doesn't like being on the board, he's in no real distress." 'No real distress'? Really? This tiny little newborn was screaming and no one was responding to his cries. He was literally being ignored. I was not impressed so far.

The doctor then draped the infant in surgical drapes which covered his abdomen and legs but exposed his penis. The doctor using a swab, rubbed a solution on the infants' penis explaining what the solution was, and that it works to cause an erection on the infant so that he can grasp his penis easier.

The doctor then grabbed the infants now erect penis with forceps and proceeded to force a sharp instrument into the opening of the penis. The infant was of course screaming the most horrid cry I have ever heard come from an infant. The nurse was proceeding to give him sugar water, which she claimed "helped soothe the baby". This little guy seemed as though he could care less and was choking and gagging on the liquid. He just kept screaming. At times his scream didn't even come out, he was screaming so hard. I felt weak in the knees and had to fight very hard to hold back the tears forming in my eyes.

The doctor had forced the sharp scissor-like instrument into the opening of the baby's penis and was now forcing it open to tear away the foreskin from the glans of the penis. He then grasped the skin with another type of forcep and proceeded to cut at the foreskin. The doctor was talking away and explaining each step, I wasn't even listening. I could not believe the unbelievable distress this baby was in, and no one seemed to care really. I then asked the doctor if he had used any freezing or anything. He simply replied, "No, it's too risky to use on little guys like this." WHAT? So, basically this doctor was hacking skin off of this poor little infants' most sensitive organ, and the infant was experiencing every cut? I remember feeling so disgusted and said to the doctor, "This is barbaric." The doctor said, "Well, that's your opinion, but some parents prefer their boys be cut." All I could think of was, 'Why? Who really cares?'

When the doctor was finished the procedure, the nurse took the now exhausted infant and applied Vaseline and gauze to the infants' very raw, bleeding penis. The infant was no longer crying, but had such a look of shock on his little face. He had just experienced the most horrific pain he will probably ever experience in his entire life.

I was at a loss for words.

The truth about circumcision is that it is not medically necessary.

It is not cleaner.

Studies have proven again and again, that it has no direct relation on cancer etc. as was once thought.

It is also a very painful procedure. The baby does feel it, experience it.

There have been studies that demonstrate actual MRI changes within an infants brain after a circumcision has been performed.

As for those who claim "it looks better", my response is, "Really? Based on who's decision?" A penis with a foreskin is how the penis is  supposed to look.  The foreskin has a function, it providess protection of the very sensitive glans (head) of the penis, and it provides ease during intercourse. During intercourse, the penis moves within its foreskin, preventing rubbing or friction of the vagina, which makes intercourse far more pleasurable for both the man and woman.

Many people will respond in outrage over female circumcision, yet still consider circumcision of males 'the norm'.

Many parents aren't properly informed of the procedure. It  IS a very serious procedure with very many real risks involved. In my experience as a post partum nurse, many parents who were led to believe it was a 'minor' procedure and observed their sons' circumcision, were sickened just as I was at the actual pain and distress it caused their infant. I have had many patients who, after witnessing their first son's circumcision, decided immediately that they would not get any other boys they may have circumcised. Many parents told me that they wished they had known just how painful it would be for their son, that they would not have even considered it if they had known what is actually involved.

As for the argument that many men want their son to look like them, my answer is, Why? It is a stupid argument. Why can't parents simply teach their son that their son's penis is 'normal and healthy', that 'daddy had his normal, healthy functioning skin of his penis removed surgically, unnecessarily'. I also always say to those people, "Really? Well, watch an actual circumcision and see if you still feel that way afterwards." I have yet to see any parent watch a video, or view an actual circumcision procedure, who is not completely against the idea afterwards.

An uncircumcised penis is very easy to keep clean. There is no special care required. The saying goes, "Clean only what is seen".

As for worrying about the son's foreskin not retracting, and needing a circumcision later in life. That actually only occurs in a very, very small number of males. However, even if the male does need the surgery later in life, he will be put to sleep for the procedure and will not feel it. He will also be managed comfortably with pain medication. A newborn doesn't have any of those benefits. A newborn is awake for it, will feel it, and doesn't receive any pain medication.

Ask any grown male if he'd get his penis circumcised while awake, with no freezing, and I guarantee you'd hear a very loud resounding "NO!" Yet, many men will put their newborn son through it. Doesn't make much sense does it?

I realize that at one time it was considered the norm. Now however, with all of the education about it, I can not understand why parents still proceed to put their tiny little newborn son through such a horrific experience.

I am proud to say that I am an intactivist, and the proud mom of two gorgeous, healthy, intact boys.



 
2013-08-22 03:28:37 PM

ng2810: Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....


I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then.  You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity.  Oral or otherwise.  Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.
 
2013-08-22 03:29:13 PM
Also, what kind of coward resorts to personal attacks on someone's spouse?
 
2013-08-22 03:31:17 PM

poison_amy: ng2810: Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....

I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then.  You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity.  Oral or otherwise.  Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.


[golfclap.gif]
 
2013-08-22 03:32:44 PM
For those of you worried about the children... It should match dad.  The only damage to be done to the kid is finding out he doesn't match dad.
 
2013-08-22 03:33:51 PM

poison_amy: ng2810: Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....

I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then.  You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity.  Oral or otherwise.  Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.


Yay, sluts!
 
2013-08-22 03:35:07 PM

Mose: Assertion1) Penises look odd no matter what
Assertion 2) Clean your penis, no matter what
Assertion 3) People who make other people feel bad for the choice their parents made for them at birth are suck bags and deserve a case of the clap
Assertion 4) If a woman is so shallow she's willing to break up with you based on your foreskin status alone, she's not a keeper... not even a candidate for a brief fling, in my book
Assertion 5) Ladies- calling one or the other gross or even stating a strong preference is like a guy doing the same thing with boob size or labia size or any other number of things you have no control over.  It's certainly your perogative to do so but think how a guy comes off with such vocal opinions on lady bits before you do.

Discuss.


QFT.

/girl who prefers uncut
//married to cut
 
2013-08-22 03:36:02 PM

poison_amy: ng2810: Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....

I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then.  You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity.  Oral or otherwise.  Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.


stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-08-22 03:42:32 PM

megarian: This thread got all kerfuffled.


[penis double entendre]
 
2013-08-22 03:44:26 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: megarian: This thread got all kerfuffled.

[penis double entendre]


lulz u said penis
 
2013-08-22 03:45:14 PM

Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.


"Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. " - http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

Female circumcision is barbaric, labiaplasty is more the female "it's just for looks" version, and I guess some guys may think big meat curtains are "gross" too.  From what I remember, they both can lead to more health problems, in that more surface area means more bacteria.  But, like everyone points out, use soap at least once a week and you are good to go...

I'm uncut, and like most guys in the same boat, we could schedule an appointment tomorrow to have part of a junk cut off, and we don't... (but there are lot's of "restoration" sites out there too, if you want to go back)

I did have one girl leave me when she found out I was uncut, I also had two say it feels better, most of them don't care, a penis is a penis... (size and skill seem to matter WAY more).  I think it would be nice to let your kids decide...

Can someone explain the religion part to me though?  Thought god made us in his image and he didn't screw up, that kind of thing...  Was it like a factory recall thing or???
 
2013-08-22 03:47:23 PM
megarian: 

I'm mostly referring to what's going on now with female genital mutilation vs. current reasons for circumcision.

There really aren't any. If circumcision didn't exist now, we wouldn't be out there developing it over a .02% drop in HIV infection or whatever other insignificant factors quoted by those who wish to keep hacking up boys penises in the name of religious ooga booga.
 
2013-08-22 03:47:52 PM

megarian: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: megarian: This thread got all kerfuffled.

[penis double entendre]

lulz u said penis


Well...it's what I got
 
2013-08-22 03:48:25 PM

ZeroCorpse: Target Builder: ZeroCorpse: Call it my western aesthetic values

There's only one western country where circumcision is common.

And I live in it, therefore, I'm glad my cock fits the American ideal of what is aesthetically pleasing to the women I've known, all of whom also lived in America with American aesthetic values (even the immigrants).


Fair enough - just sayin' it's not a "western" asthetic. There's a lot more to the "West" than the US. This is a very US thing.

I'm glad I don't have to clean smegma out of my foreskin, too.

Dude, just rub your cock in the shower once in a while. Or even just shower once in a while. How bad are your personal hygiene habits that this could be an issue for you? Do you bathe once every three months or something? Smell you later.

This text is now purple: Target Builder: There's only one western country where circumcision is common.

Israel is no longer considered "western"?


It's a country in the middle east, with two middle eastern languages as its official languages, populated largely by people of middle eastern ancestry whose ethnic origins are in the middle east and who mostly follow middle eastern religions.
 
2013-08-22 03:48:26 PM
I'm not cut and that's never negatively affected my relationships.

My personality and looks on the other hand....
 
2013-08-22 03:48:26 PM
Too late for Lenny.
 
2013-08-22 03:49:21 PM

Apik0r0s: megarian: 

I'm mostly referring to what's going on now with female genital mutilation vs. current reasons for circumcision.

There really aren't any. If circumcision didn't exist now, we wouldn't be out there developing it over a .02% drop in HIV infection or whatever other insignificant factors quoted by those who wish to keep hacking up boys penises in the name of religious ooga booga.


I was saying that's the reasons people give. I don't necessarily agree with them.
 
2013-08-22 03:49:44 PM

mmxcore: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

"Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. " - http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

Female circumcision is barbaric, labiaplasty is more the female "it's just for looks" version, and I guess some guys may think big meat curtains are "gross" too.  From what I remember, they both can lead to more health problems, in that more surface area means more bacteria.  But, like everyone points out, use soap at least once a week and you are good to go...

I'm uncut, and like most guys in the same boat, we could schedule an appointment tomorrow to have part of a junk cut off, and we don't... (but there are lot's of "restoration" sites out there too, if you want to go back)

I did have one girl leave me when she found out I was uncut, I also had two say it feels better, most of them don't care, a penis is a penis... (size and skill seem to matter WAY more).  I think it would be nice to let your kids decide...

Can someone explain the religion part to me though?  Thought god made us in his image and he didn't screw up, that kind of thing...  Was it like a factory recall thing or???


labiaplasty is not only done for looks. Large labia can be quite uncomfortable for women.
 
2013-08-22 03:56:17 PM

poison_amy: ng2810: Ugh. The more reason for me NOT to date younger guys. I've been with both cut and uncut guys, and I can say with 100% certainty that I prefer cut guys. No matter how many showers a guy takes or how clean he keeps his stick, in a few hours the smell emitting from the folds of skin are enough to be off-putting. It's hard to give lots of head when you're trying not to gag from the smell.

/bf is very VERY happy....

I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then.  You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity.  Oral or otherwise.  Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.


You win at Fark!
 
2013-08-22 03:56:40 PM

mmxcore: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

"Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. " - http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision


It's a little more complicated than that:
"The tone of the policy certainly shifts somewhat in favor of circumcision in that it recognizes that there are clear medical benefits that outweigh the risks of the procedure, and that those benefits are sufficient to justify coverage by insurance," said Dr. Douglas Diekema, a member of the academy's circumcision task force.
"What remains unchanged is that the AAP still holds that the health benefits are not great enough to recommend routine circumcision for all newborn males," he said.


Basically, it's a "there are some benefits, but they're not so great that we'll recommend it for everyone, so the decision is yours."

Female circumcision is barbaric, labiaplasty is more the female "it's just for looks" version, and I guess some guys may think big meat curtains are "gross" too.  From what I remember, they both can lead to more health problems, in that more surface area means more bacteria.  But, like everyone points out, use soap at least once a week and you are good to go...

Labiaplasty is definitely a better comparison. And apparently, it's recommended for a specific medical condition that causes chronic yeast infections.
 
2013-08-22 03:57:20 PM

ace in your face: mmxcore: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

"Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. " - http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

Female circumcision is barbaric, labiaplasty is more the female "it's just for looks" version, and I guess some guys may think big meat curtains are "gross" too.  From what I remember, they both can lead to more health problems, in that more surface area means more bacteria.  But, like everyone points out, use soap at least once a week and you are good to go...

I'm uncut, and like most guys in the same boat, we could schedule an appointment tomorrow to have part of a junk cut off, and we don't... (but there are lot's of "restoration" sites out there too, if you want to go back)

I did have one girl leave me when she found out I was uncut, I also had two say it feels better, most of them don't care, a penis is a penis... (size and skill seem to matter WAY more).  I think it would be nice to let your kids decide...

Can someone explain the religion part to me though?  Thought god made us in his image and he didn't screw up, that kind of thing...  Was it like a factory recall thing or???

labiaplasty is not only done for looks. Large labia can be quite uncomfortable for women.


Useful, though. How do you think the Flying Nun was able to steer?
 
2013-08-22 03:57:27 PM
Also for larger guys the lack of foreskin causes many women discomfort sometimes due to the increased friction.  I'd think most women would prefer it that way if given the option.  I know my girlfriend would probably agree.

/not bragging
//totally bragging
 
2013-08-22 03:59:11 PM
labiaplasty is not only done for looks. Large labia can be quite uncomfortable for women.

Yeah, interesting wiki article... and from the pics, I can see where that might be... cumbersome...

When I was born, the black nurse told my mom she was "sending him into the arms of the devil" if I didn't get cut...  Sucks my parents were young and naïve or they could have said something, sucks if any medical person tries to make any kind of religious/scientific statement for their beliefs... Really glad my parents gave me the choice, so much so it's one of the most awkward talks I ever had... (seriously, go thank your mom and dad for not cutting off your junk... it's just uncomfortable...)
 
2013-08-22 03:59:25 PM
I mean they would prefer uncut!  Jeez.
 
2013-08-22 03:59:58 PM

ace in your face: mmxcore: Theaetetus: CJHardin: I guess my point is that both procedures are in my opinion equally unnecessary and harmful and I disagree with their continuance in modern medicine.

Your opinion, however, does not mean the procedures actually are equally unnecessary. In particular, there are some medical benefits to male circumcision. You may (and probably do) disagree that those benefits outweigh the risks or potential detriment, but that's a private medical decision.
However, there are no medical benefits to female genital mutilation.

"Currently, the American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend routine circumcision for newborn males stating the evidence was not significant enough to prove the operation's benefit. " - http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision

Female circumcision is barbaric, labiaplasty is more the female "it's just for looks" version, and I guess some guys may think big meat curtains are "gross" too.  From what I remember, they both can lead to more health problems, in that more surface area means more bacteria.  But, like everyone points out, use soap at least once a week and you are good to go...

I'm uncut, and like most guys in the same boat, we could schedule an appointment tomorrow to have part of a junk cut off, and we don't... (but there are lot's of "restoration" sites out there too, if you want to go back)

I did have one girl leave me when she found out I was uncut, I also had two say it feels better, most of them don't care, a penis is a penis... (size and skill seem to matter WAY more).  I think it would be nice to let your kids decide...

Can someone explain the religion part to me though?  Thought god made us in his image and he didn't screw up, that kind of thing...  Was it like a factory recall thing or???

labiaplasty is not only done for looks. Large labia can be quite uncomfortable for women.


cds.arbys.com
 
2013-08-22 04:05:09 PM

dustygrimp: For those of you worried about the children... It should match dad.  The only damage to be done to the kid is finding out he doesn't match dad.


Err, no.  Go to Google.  Turn off safe search.

Look for "botched circumcision".

Then come back here and try again.

/lawyer buddy of mine did insurance defense work...the ONLY cases they'd settle out of court were botched circs.
 
2013-08-22 04:12:04 PM

PunGent: /lawyer buddy of mine did insurance defense work...the ONLY cases they'd settle out of court were botched circs.


On the plus side, the briefs would be light.
 
2013-08-22 04:15:30 PM
So much for hoping you'd shut the fark up with your stupid bullshiat.

"It's a little more complicated than that."


No shiat, it is. Since the 1980s, private hospitals have been involved in the business of supplying discarded foreskins to private bio-research laboratories and pharmaceutical companies who require them as raw research material.

"I recently saw both your articles regarding the sale of infant foreskins to pharmaceutical companies. Africa must be informed that western "humanitarian aid" organisations may be interested in a little more than just "public health." http://www.timeslive.co.za/ilive/2011/08/10/interest-in-cir cumcision -m ore-than-foreskin-deep

Also, cosmetics:

And at least one company is searching for the fountain of youth in baby foreskins-yes, we're talking about that flap of skin sliced away during male circumcision


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-cut-above-the-res t- wrin

"Life Technologies produces research-use only products using neonatal foreskins discarded from circumcisions with full, informed consent."


http://www.sdcitybeat.com/sandiego/article-7356-the-$140-million-fore s kin.html

As always, follow the money. They money doing it, they make money selling it; money, money, money.
 
2013-08-22 04:17:56 PM
Voids the warranty when you remove factory installed parts.

FTFA:  There are regional variations as well. In 2010, about 71 percent of babies in the Midwest were circumcised, 66.3 percent in the Northeast, 58.4 percent in the South, and 40.2 percent in the West.

Yep.  Having an intact child is the norm around here.
 
2013-08-22 04:20:03 PM

penthesilea: Voids the warranty when you remove factory installed parts.

FTFA:  There are regional variations as well. In 2010, about 71 percent of babies in the Midwest were circumcised, 66.3 percent in the Northeast, 58.4 percent in the South, and 40.2 percent in the West.

Yep.  Having an intact child is the norm around here.


Works for me. Have had more than a few satisfied ladies tell me I was their first un-cut.
 
2013-08-22 04:20:48 PM

FarkinHostile: So much for hoping you'd shut the fark up with your stupid bullshiat.


So much for hoping that you'd realize that lashing out at people's spouses because you disagree with them in a Fark thread is the mark of an asshole.

Also, shouldn't you have run from this thread with your tail between your legs, since you've been called out on the whole Europe/China/America thing, just like last time?
 
2013-08-22 04:23:41 PM
Can't speak for everyone, but personally I wish I had not been circumcised. Maybe I would then wish I had, but I was never asked if I wanted a part of my penis which is full of nerves to be cut off. Cut or natural, if your dick is gross and cheesy it's your own damn fault. I always thoroughly clean my tool in my daily shower.
 
2013-08-22 04:38:06 PM

Theaetetus: Also, shouldn't you have run from this thread with your tail between your legs, since you've been called out on the whole Europe/China/America thing, just like last time?


Again, you do know everyone can go to that thread, read your silly links and find out who is right. But considering your "debate" style, you will just keep repeating the lie. After all, someone might believe you. But you know what? I really despise liars, so I'll just save everyone some time. From your links:


"Ecological evidence came from studies in East Africa in the 1960s which showed that penile cancer was more common than expected in traditionally non-circumcising ethnic groups than among traditionally circumcising ethnic groups..."


Expansion of circumcision services in sub-Saharan Africa... "

I'm known for being a blunt, honest asshole. You're known for being a intellectually dishonest lying misandrist. You just like to play lawyer here, likely because you suck at it IRL.

But DO twist data, move the goalposts, mislead and cherry pick. You know, your usual deceitful, dishonest technique. You just expose yourself to more and more people who will then no longer take you seriously.
 
2013-08-22 04:41:55 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Mr. Eugenides: Me, I'm pro choice and I'm fine with whatever the parents decide.

While the one who actually suffers has no say in the matter.


Are you a rabid anti-abortionist too?
 
2013-08-22 04:42:28 PM
CIRC threads always provide plenty of entertainment


/cut
//glad I was in my school daze
///wish I wasn't now
 
2013-08-22 04:46:52 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Also, shouldn't you have run from this thread with your tail between your legs, since you've been called out on the whole Europe/China/America thing, just like last time?

Again, you do know everyone can go to that thread, read your silly links and find out who is right. But considering your "debate" style, you will just keep repeating the lie. After all, someone might believe you. But you know what? I really despise liars, so I'll just save everyone some time. From your links:

"Ecological evidence came from studies in East Africa in the 1960s which showed that penile cancer was more common than expected in traditionally non-circumcising ethnic groups than among traditionally circumcising ethnic groups..."

Expansion of circumcision services in sub-Saharan Africa... "

I'm known for being a blunt, honest asshole.


You're apparently also known for being illiterate. Repeat after me, please, as slow as you need to to actually understand the words:
The eight papers evaluating the effect of circumcision on penile cancer included one cross-sectional study and seven case-control studies (Table 1). Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).


Nope, it's useless. You'll never understand that Europe, the United States, and China are not in sub-Saharan Africa.

But for everyone else, here's the explanation: this 2001 study talks about some older studies from the 1960s in East Africa for background, and then does its own analysis on new evidence from studies in the above-identified regions. FarkinHostile did a control-F for "Africa", found it in the background, and his brain shut off. He literally stopped at page one of the study, and never read further.

But try to correct him, and he'll start in with personal attacks about your family like a coward.
 
2013-08-22 04:50:32 PM

megarian: You do know that female genital mutilation is mostly done so a female can't experience pleasure from sex, right? It's not about aesthetics or cleanliness. It's about girls that likes sex = whore.


And the push for circumcision as a routine non-religious thing began in the US with John Harvey Kellogg to discourage masturbation. Should read his book from 1877. He had some pretty horrible ideas about how awful it would be to leave a guy intact and having him fap.

CJHardin: I am aware that female genital mutilation is done for that purpose. I would go so far as to say that the origins of male circumcision was brought about for some of the same reasons but it became more commonplace as many religions advocate them and they inevitably became the norm and was considered aesthetically pleasing.


That's nothing more than you saying 'Our tradition of genital mutilation is better than their tradition of genital mutilation'.

megarian: Yes, I understand that. But RIGHT NOW it's more about looks and assumed cleanliness. I don't necessarily agree with those ideas.


Doesn't change the fact that it absolutely affects sexual pleasure because of the removal of thousands of nerve endings and the resulting drying and toughening of the skin of the glans.

CJHardin: Yeah, being able to last a long time during sex as a teen and mid 20's guy made me feel like a rock star. These days I'd welcome the additional stimulation. I'm not saying that lasting a while is a bad thing necessarily but there are times when I'd like to be a bit more brief in the act.


They don't orgasm any more quickly, in my experience, just more intensely.

Raspil: bless their hearts, then. they don't know what they're missing and that's really sad. or maybe they do and this is their way of feeling something something


People will go to some pretty serious lengths to sustain their belief that they were not unnecessarily mutilated.

poison_amy: I have to assume that smell is coming from YOU then. You see, I'm a bit of a slut and I've had lots and lots of uncuts, and never once had one emit any kind of rank odor, even after hours of activity. Oral or otherwise. Perhaps an antibiotic would help, or if you get the smell during oral, a good dental check up.


Same. Here.

CJHardin: Also for larger guys the lack of foreskin causes many women discomfort sometimes due to the increased friction. I'd think most women would prefer it that way if given the option. I know my girlfriend would probably agree.


To be incredibly detailed about it, the ridge around the glans actually acts like a scoop and pulls the natural vaginal lubrication out. It does a horrible job of putting it back in. It also tends to scrape off the pelvic bone on the out stroke, and when that's happening over and over again, it starts to get uncomfortable.

I have never had that problem with a guy who was uncut.

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Works for me. Have had more than a few satisfied ladies tell me I was their first un-cut.


I 100% prefer the uncut ones. It is always a disappointment when I find out that a guy is cut. They just don't feel as good and I can't look at a cut one without seeing the scars. It is mutilation. They just look .. wrong.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:24 PM
Uncut, don't see the big deal in doing what amounts to unnecessary surgery maybe 99 percent of the time. If people are shallow enough to be filled with horror at an uncut dick, that's their problem. Lets be honest though, we mainly do it for cosmetics these days because the evidence that its hygienic just isn't that strong.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:26 PM
This is a good thread to highlight the super crazy people that use Fark.

Sometimes I forget about threads like this and think you guys are fairly normal, but after a good circumcision thread I suddenly don't want to ever go to a Fark party.
 
2013-08-22 04:54:47 PM

ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.


I was in the same boat as you, but after months of arguing during the pregnancy my wife insisted the she and every woman she talked to thought that uncircumcised penises were gross and that nobody want to give a blowjob to them because they are creepy.  Then she had every woman she knows tell me the same.  So I caved.  They were all surprised that I didn't want to get him circumcised because I'm circumcised and apparently 99% of people just decide to go with whatever the father had.  In the end, it was just a little scab around his penis for a couple weeks that we had to keep clean, and then it was all good and now he has a lower risk of all sorts of problems.  To me - it's not that big a difference either way, that's why I was kind of like "why bother".
 
2013-08-22 04:56:17 PM
Since I'm out in a few, I'll just throw a blatant WIE offer to all the women here.
 
2013-08-22 04:57:08 PM

pedobearapproved: This is a good thread to highlight the super crazy people that use Fark.

Sometimes I forget about threads like this and think you guys are fairly normal, but after a good circumcision thread I suddenly don't want to ever go to a Fark party.


yeah, but they're fun to peak in at
 
2013-08-22 04:57:10 PM

Theaetetus: The eight papers evaluating the effect of circumcision on penile cancer included one cross-sectional study and seven case-control studies (Table 1). Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).


Penile cancer is ... already extremely rare, but if you want to go there, let me give you a hypothetical.

It is possible now to use genetic testing to determine whether or not a girl carries the BRCA gene mutations that make it extremely likely (upwards of 80% odds) that she will one day get breast cancer. The odds are so high that adult women (i.e. Angeline Jolie) have chosen to have prophylactic mastectomies to attempt to prevent the disease.

This means that it is an absolute fact that we could save lives, lots of them, if we tested infant girls for the genetic mutations and in infancy removed their breast buds. This would prevent thousands of more cases of fatal cancer, and cancer in general, than circumcision and we could be certain we were only doing it to those who have a very high statistical likelihood of cancer.

Would you support genetic testing for infant girls and surgical removal of the breast buds if they carry the BRCA mutations?
 
2013-08-22 04:57:58 PM

spiderpaz: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I was in the same boat as you, but after months of arguing during the pregnancy my wife insisted the she and every woman she talked to thought that uncircumcised penises were gross and that nobody want to give a blowjob to them because they are creepy.  Then she had every woman she knows tell me the same.  So I caved.  They were all surprised that I didn't want to get him circumcised because I'm circumcised and apparently 99% of people just decide to go with whatever the father had.  In the end, it was just a little scab around his penis for a couple weeks that we had to keep clean, and then it was all good and now he has a lower risk of all sorts of problems.  To me - it's not that big a difference either way, that's why I was kind of like "why bother".


Except they cut off the very sensitive part of your son's penis without anesthetic.  He endured extreme pain and it only lowered the risk of urinary tract infection if his penis is not kept clean.
 
2013-08-22 04:58:33 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Since I'm out in a few, I'll just throw a blatant WIE offer to all the women here.


EIP.
 
2013-08-22 04:58:58 PM

heili skrimsli: Penile cancer is ... already extremely rare, but if you want to go there, let me give you a hypothetical.


Then, of course, there is this:

AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY

February 16, 1996
Dr. Peter Rappo
Committee on Practice & Ambulatory Medicine American
Academy of Pediatrics141 Northwest Point Boulevard
P. O. Box 927Elk Grove Village, IL 60009-0927


Dear Dr. Rappo:

As representatives of the American Cancer Society, we would like to discourage the American Academy of Pediatrics from promoting routine circumcision as preventative measure for penile or cervical cancer.

The American Cancer Society does not consider routine circumcision to be a valid or effective measure to prevent such cancers. Research suggesting a pattern in the circumcision status of partners of women with cervical cancer is methodologically flawed, outdated and has not been taken seriously in the medical community for decades.

Likewise, research claiming a relationship between circumcision and penile cancer is inconclusive. Penile cancer is an extremely rare condition, effecting one in 200,000 men in the United States. Penile cancer rates in countries which do not practice circumcision are lower than those found in the United States. Fatalities caused by circumcision accidents may approximate the mortality rate from penile cancer. Portraying routine circumcision as an effective means of prevention distracts the public from the task of avoiding the behaviors proven to contribute to penile and cervical cancer: especially cigarette smoking and unprotected sexual relations with multiple partners. Perpetuating the mistaken belief that circumcision prevents cancer is inappropriate.

Sincerely,

Hugh Shingleton, M.D. National Vice President
Clark W. Heath, Jr., M.D.Vice President Detection & Treatment Epidemiology & Surveillance Research
 
2013-08-22 04:59:52 PM
I'm getting the feeling that many of the men in this thread have been dating these women.  Given that the title of the video is "The Penis Song," I'm going to let you decide if that link is NSFW or not.

I'm sure that every woman has a preference and I'm sure they're all over the map.  I'm also sure that when naked every woman tells every man complimentary things because the result of saying "Oh, that's odd/small/ugly" is that it tends to get smaller.
 
2013-08-22 05:01:23 PM

heili skrimsli: I 100% prefer the uncut ones. It is always a disappointment when I find out that a guy is cut. They just don't feel as good and I can't look at a cut one without seeing the scars. It is mutilation. They just look .. wrong.


In other words, it's all in your head.
 
2013-08-22 05:02:40 PM

heili skrimsli: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Since I'm out in a few, I'll just throw a blatant WIE offer to all the women here.

EIP.


take a look
 
2013-08-22 05:02:42 PM

heili skrimsli: Theaetetus: The eight papers evaluating the effect of circumcision on penile cancer included one cross-sectional study and seven case-control studies (Table 1). Study populations were from Europe (n = 4), the United States (n = 3), and China (n = 1).

Penile cancer is ... already extremely rare, but if you want to go there, let me give you a hypothetical.

It is possible now to use genetic testing to determine whether or not a girl carries the BRCA gene mutations that make it extremely likely (upwards of 80% odds) that she will one day get breast cancer. The odds are so high that adult women (i.e. Angeline Jolie) have chosen to have prophylactic mastectomies to attempt to prevent the disease.

This means that it is an absolute fact that we could save lives, lots of them, if we tested infant girls for the genetic mutations and in infancy removed their breast buds. This would prevent thousands of more cases of fatal cancer, and cancer in general, than circumcision and we could be certain we were only doing it to those who have a very high statistical likelihood of cancer.

Would you support genetic testing for infant girls and surgical removal of the breast buds if they carry the BRCA mutations?


I'm not sure breasts work that way, since most of their growth is at puberty. But, that aside or reworded as a general question, if we could detect a harmful mutation that could be obviated through surgical removal to prevent "thousands of cases" of fatal cancer, then I believe a decision to remove or not should be up to the physician and patient, or the patient's parents or guardians. It should not be banned outright.

Note that this is the exact same thing I said earlier with regard to circumcision.
 
2013-08-22 05:03:10 PM

thegrievingmole: And not needing lube for masturbation.


How often are you whacking it that you need lube?  And how tight are you gripping?  Maybe you should calm down before you break the thing.
 
2013-08-22 05:04:07 PM

CJHardin: Except they cut off the very sensitive part of your son's penis without anesthetic. He endured extreme pain and it only lowered the risk of urinary tract infection if his penis is not kept clean.


That whole push of circumcision preventing UTIs came from one Dr. Thomas Wiswell in 1982. Already an ardent supporter of circumcision, he was looking for something to justify his stance when he published his UTI study. It reduces the rate of incidence from 0.24% to 0.02%. Seems like a huge reduction because it's 'an order of magnitude', but you're already talking about factions of a percent so in absolute numbers, it's really a very, very tiny benefit.
 

It takes over 444 circumcisions to prevent a single UTI from occurring.
 
2013-08-22 05:04:25 PM
Don't be misled by FarkinHostile's decades old ACA letter. It's about as material as his claim that a study on Europe, America, and China is on "sub-Saharan Africa", particularly considering that's not the ACA's position today.
 
2013-08-22 05:07:29 PM

heili skrimsli: Seems like a huge reduction because it's 'an order of magnitude', but you're already talking about factions of a percent so in absolute numbers, it's really a very, very tiny benefit.



It's exactly the same way with EVERY so called circ benefit. Another example of how numbers can be made to be misleading when there is an agenda.
 
2013-08-22 05:07:50 PM

CJHardin: spiderpaz: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I was in the same boat as you, but after months of arguing during the pregnancy my wife insisted the she and every woman she talked to thought that uncircumcised penises were gross and that nobody want to give a blowjob to them because they are creepy.  Then she had every woman she knows tell me the same.  So I caved.  They were all surprised that I didn't want to get him circumcised because I'm circumcised and apparently 99% of people just decide to go with whatever the father had.  In the end, it was just a little scab around his penis for a couple weeks that we had to keep clean, and then it was all good and now he has a lower risk of all sorts of problems.  To me - it's not that big a difference either way, that's why I was kind of like "why bother".

Except they cut off the very sensitive part of your son's penis without anesthetic.  He endured extreme pain and it only lowered the risk of urinary tract infection if his penis is not kept clean.


He cried for 10 minutes and then went to sleep and basically forgot about it when he woke up and wanted milk ... but whatever you win.  The doctors and nurses also kind of treated me like an idiot when I said I don't see why I should need to get him circumcised.  It's kind of hard when that many medical professionals are looking at you like "it's 10 minutes of pain that could save him numerous painful infections and possibly lower his chances of some STD's" (the MD's didn't mention the no blowjob getting thing but my wife did).  We're going to have 1 more, so I'll just hope for a girl to avoid the whole dilemma this time.
 
2013-08-22 05:08:23 PM

heili skrimsli: CJHardin: Except they cut off the very sensitive part of your son's penis without anesthetic. He endured extreme pain and it only lowered the risk of urinary tract infection if his penis is not kept clean.

That whole push of circumcision preventing UTIs came from one Dr. Thomas Wiswell in 1982. Already an ardent supporter of circumcision, he was looking for something to justify his stance when he published his UTI study. It reduces the rate of incidence from 0.24% to 0.02%. Seems like a huge reduction because it's 'an order of magnitude', but you're already talking about factions of a percent so in absolute numbers, it's really a very, very tiny benefit.
 

It takes over 444 circumcisions to prevent a single UTI from occurring.


I knew the risk of UTI were small but damn, that's minuscule.
 
2013-08-22 05:10:32 PM

FarkinHostile: heili skrimsli: Seems like a huge reduction because it's 'an order of magnitude', but you're already talking about factions of a percent so in absolute numbers, it's really a very, very tiny benefit.

It's exactly the same way with EVERY so called circ benefit. Another example of how numbers can be made to be misleading when there is an agenda.


Considering you can't read past the first page of a study, I'd take that statement with a grain of salt.
 
2013-08-22 05:11:12 PM

pedobearapproved: In other words, it's all in your head.


It's all in my vagina, actually.

Theaetetus: I'm not sure breasts work that way, since most of their growth is at puberty. But, that aside or reworded as a general question, if we could detect a harmful mutation that could be obviated through surgical removal to prevent "thousands of cases" of fatal cancer, then I believe a decision to remove or not should be up to the physician and patient, or the patient's parents or guardians. It should not be banned outright.

Note that this is the exact same thing I said earlier with regard to circumcision.


Well then, surely you agree that we have much stronger medical justification for prophylactic mastectomy on children than circumcision.

As for breasts working that way, yes it is possible to do. It's basically mastectomy of the undeveloped breast, which means they will never develop.PDF

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: take a look


I did, and appreciate the email very much!
 
2013-08-22 05:13:27 PM
 img.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 05:13:36 PM
I know this will be unpopular, but I prefer cut.  I think it's just because it's what I'm used to.  Basically I only fooled around with or had sex with guys who were cut, then I hooked up with an uncut guy and was in horror when I stuck my hands down his pants.  I couldn't figure out what was wrong with it.  He could tell something was wrong because I stopped, and I mentioned that it felt weird.  I know you guys are all thinking that I'm a biatch, but honestly 19 year old me had never even thought about circumcision before so I didn't realize that was what was going on, I was worried he had some sort of disease.  Anyway, he told me he was uncut which put me at ease, but honestly I couldn't get past the way it felt.  It just weirded me out for whatever reason.  I didn't end up having sex with him or anything and I'm so glad I didn't because a couple weeks later I found out he had gonorrhea.

That was my one and only experience with it, so for me, cut is more comfortable since it's what I'm familiar with.  Most women I've talked about this with all say they also prefer cut, but I'm sure it's just what we're used to.  Having said that, if my husband had been uncut, I'd still love him and it wouldn't matter.  I might be less thrilled with going down on him though based on (I know conflicting) information regarding the hygiene issue with uncut.  I'm kind of a germaphobe

So really it's just a personal preference thing and I'm sure it's very similar to how the current generation of young men are probably grossed out by my naturally large breasts that sag a bit because all they're used to are big perky fake tits they see on the internet.  I don't take offense to it, it's just the way it is.
 
2013-08-22 05:14:30 PM

CJHardin: I knew the risk of UTI were small but damn, that's minuscule.


Another thing about WIswell's UTI studies is that they were all done in military hospitals where circumcisions are pretty much automatic, and that in many cases where circumcision is not performed, the foreskin (which is naturally fused to the glans until sometime around puberty) is forcibly retracted causing tears and damage which can lead to...

UTIs.
 
2013-08-22 05:19:32 PM

heili skrimsli: pedobearapproved: In other words, it's all in your head.

It's all in my vagina, actually.

Theaetetus: I'm not sure breasts work that way, since most of their growth is at puberty. But, that aside or reworded as a general question, if we could detect a harmful mutation that could be obviated through surgical removal to prevent "thousands of cases" of fatal cancer, then I believe a decision to remove or not should be up to the physician and patient, or the patient's parents or guardians. It should not be banned outright.

Note that this is the exact same thing I said earlier with regard to circumcision.

Well then, surely you agree that we have much stronger medical justification for prophylactic mastectomy on children than circumcision.


Your hypothetical didn't include any actual numbers so I can't really make a quantitative comparison. Furthermore, your argument is based solely on the benefit, and ignores the detriment and risks, both of which are necessary for even a qualitative analysis, much less a comparison of the two.
But as for the general principle, I think we would both agree that no medically sound treatment should banned outright, but should be a decision for the people involved, no?

As for breasts working that way, yes it is possible to do. It's basically mastectomy of the undeveloped breast, which means they will never develop.PDF

Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.
 
2013-08-22 05:23:46 PM
Amos Quito:Did they perform the surgery for free - as a humanitarian gesture?

What? They GOT PAID?

Did they also offer an extended warranty?


Actually it wasn't on the bill and was done in minutes in the same building without needing a second appointment or visit.  Otherwise, my only response to your awkward presence in this thread is:
I'm sorry you're so uncomfortable with your weird penis.  I hope it isn't as small as it is weird.
 
2013-08-22 05:24:31 PM

Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.


That article is about a different case, but the idea behind prophylactic mastectomy is that if you do not have breast tissue, you cannot get breast cancer.

It's not 100% perfect because it's possible some tissue could be left behind, but the theory is sound enough to make it actually more medically beneficial than male circumcision when it comes to cancer prevention.
 
2013-08-22 05:27:25 PM

Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer?


And also, would it prevent them from breastfeeding later in life?  Probably, and if so, that's something parents would need to weigh as well.
 
2013-08-22 05:28:30 PM

heili skrimsli: Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.

That article is about a different case, but the idea behind prophylactic mastectomy is that if you do not have breast tissue, you cannot get breast cancer.

It's not 100% perfect because it's possible some tissue could be left behind, but the theory is sound enough to make it actually more medically beneficial than male circumcision when it comes to cancer prevention.


On the other hand, the loss of function of the organ is significantly greater, and that must be considered. Removing your legs prevents foot cancer, but the harm vastly outweighs the benefit.
 
2013-08-22 05:31:12 PM

spiderpaz: Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer?

And also, would it prevent them from breastfeeding later in life?  Probably, and if so, that's something parents would need to weigh as well.


Exactly. The comparison would be not to circumcision, but total wang-ectomy. And while that would apparently obviate penile cancer, the total loss of function is not worth the benefit.

Alternately, rather than masectomy, you could compare it to removal of moles or birthmarks from an infant. May have some protective benefit against future cancer, carries some risks of infection or scarring.
 
2013-08-22 05:36:38 PM

The more you eat the more you fart: The only thing that REALLY matters is: do women prefer cut or uncut?

After all...thats kinda the only thing that matters lol.


I don't care. At all. Is it a clean, healthy dick that I desire to see? Okay then!
 
2013-08-22 05:45:27 PM

The_Sponge: TEAM HELMET

/Like the fact that I don't look like Eurotrash when nekkid.


We just eat healthy so we don't need to cut away pieces of out body in order to get small advantages in weight reduction. But hey, whatever works for you.
 
2013-08-22 05:49:18 PM
This is why I'm for circumcision. During WWII, when the Germans tried to separate Jewish GI POWs from the rest of the GI POWs, they couldn't tell them apart, because everybody was circumcised. So every snipped foreskin = a big FU to Hitler.

/Americans caught the circumcision fad after WWI for quackish health reasons. It later turned out they were right!
//Testicle:foreskin as gallbladder:appendix.
///The old lady prefers helmets to anteaters.
 
2013-08-22 05:49:24 PM

Theaetetus: On the other hand, the loss of function of the organ is significantly greater, and that must be considered. Removing your legs prevents foot cancer, but the harm vastly outweighs the benefit.


If you have the BRCA1 or BRCA2 mutation your odds are 60% of getting breast cancer. It's higher if you have both mutations.

You can always formula feed, but once you've got cancer, you're in a world of hurt.
 
2013-08-22 05:51:56 PM

Theaetetus: heili skrimsli: Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.

That article is about a different case, but the idea behind prophylactic mastectomy is that if you do not have breast tissue, you cannot get breast cancer.

It's not 100% perfect because it's possible some tissue could be left behind, but the theory is sound enough to make it actually more medically beneficial than male circumcision when it comes to cancer prevention.

On the other hand, the loss of function of the organ is significantly greater, and that must be considered. Removing your legs prevents foot cancer, but the harm vastly outweighs the benefit.


I've yet to see any actual science about "lack of function" due to circumcision. Considering that the glans is about a zillion times more sensitive than the foreskin, and that the foreskin uncovers the glans during full erection, it seems unlikely that there's any actual impairment in sensation.
 
2013-08-22 05:58:58 PM

mbillips: I've yet to see any actual science about "lack of function" due to circumcision. Considering that the glans is about a zillion times more sensitive than the foreskin, and that the foreskin uncovers the glans during full erection, it seems unlikely that there's any actual impairment in sensation.


Note that those are two different things - there's certainly not any loss of function, since circumcised men can and do ejaculate. There may or may not be loss of sensation.


heili skrimsli:  You can always formula feed, but once you've got cancer, you're in a world of hurt.

You can pee through a catheter and avoid penile cancer, but I don't think anyone is actually advocating that. As noted above, the better comparison would be mole removal, which prevents cancer, does not impair functionality, but may result in scarring and potentially loss of sensation in the affected region.
 
2013-08-22 06:03:55 PM
Know what?  fark you guys.  I like my cock just as it is.  These circumcision farkers are just like these magazines that try to make women feel bad about their appearance, and induce teenage girls to starve themselves.  Bunch of farking animals, all of you.  Stay off of my cock.
 
2013-08-22 06:09:25 PM
I love people make the argument that scar-tissue-covered genitals are more visually appealing than natural ones. Scar tissue. Sexy.
 
2013-08-22 06:36:45 PM

mbillips: . Considering that the glans is about a zillion times more sensitive than the foreskin, and that the foreskin uncovers the glans during full erection, it seems unlikely that there's any actual impairment in sensation.



It's not about how sensitive the foreskin is. The thing is, that foreskin covers the sensitive bits when you are NOT having sex, therefore preventing a gradual desensitization from constant friction.


The worst circs are the ones that are too aggressive and cause the hair that should be on the scrotum to end up halfway up the shaft.  HATE THAT!  Hair does not naturally grow on the shaft.

I also think it's bizarre when the top 2-3 inches are a completely different color than the rest.
 
2013-08-22 06:43:23 PM

mbillips: Theaetetus: heili skrimsli: Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.

That article is about a different case, but the idea behind prophylactic mastectomy is that if you do not have breast tissue, you cannot get breast cancer.

It's not 100% perfect because it's possible some tissue could be left behind, but the theory is sound enough to make it actually more medically beneficial than male circumcision when it comes to cancer prevention.

On the other hand, the loss of function of the organ is significantly greater, and that must be considered. Removing your legs prevents foot cancer, but the harm vastly outweighs the benefit.

I've yet to see any actual science about "lack of function" due to circumcision. Considering that the glans is about a zillion times more sensitive than the foreskin, and that the foreskin uncovers the glans during full erection, it seems unlikely that there's any actual impairment in sensation.


http://www.foreskinrestoration.info/images-Foreskin%20Restoration/To uc h%20Test-BJU.pdf

It's peer reviewed.  Read it.  TLDR version:  Yes, it does impair sensation.

You seem willfully ignorant to suggest that removal of genital tissue would not cause a change in sensation.
 
2013-08-22 06:45:09 PM
SeriousGeorge: I love people make the argument that scar-tissue-covered wrinkled-flap-of-skin-covered genitals are more visually appealing than natural smooth ones. Scar tissue Wrinkled skin. Sexy.
 
2013-08-22 06:51:14 PM

Nana's Vibrator: Amos Quito:Did they perform the surgery for free - as a humanitarian gesture?

What? They GOT PAID?

Did they also offer an extended warranty?

Actually it wasn't on the bill and was done in minutes in the same building without needing a second appointment or visit.  Otherwise, my only response to your awkward presence in this thread is:
I'm sorry you're so uncomfortable with your weird penis.  I hope it isn't as small as it is weird.



Heh!

Earlier I said that "many (most?) of the pro-chop hacks are religious/ethnic zealots who fear that one day their precious barbaric ritual will one day be outlawed."

I should add another common category: Those that hacked their kids' weenies when they were infants, and now feel compelled to argue in defense of that cruel, brutal decision because it is easier that having to deal with their conscience, and face up to the reality that they made a horrible mistake.

Would you be in the former category, the latter, or both, Nana's Vibrator?
 
2013-08-22 06:52:48 PM
ALSO:

cntrl+F tats
produced no hits.

WTF?
 
2013-08-22 07:43:43 PM
of course it has been cut in half. More and more people have decided that mutilation of a newborn is ... .bad. AKA, more and more people are developing brains.
 
2013-08-22 07:50:08 PM
My son is six. We didn't have a piece of him cut off shortly after birth because it is his body and there was no medical reason to do so. If he wants to change its appearance when he's old enough to make an informed decision himself, that's up to him, but we were not going to put a child through cosmetic surgery that has barely statistically significant 'health benefits' that can be managed by basic hygiene and common sense.

I've read a lot of the literature myself (love me some pubmed) and have found nothing compelling. Penile cancer is very rare to begin with (remember, absolute risk is far more important to look at than relative risk.) Additionally, HPV vaccination for boys can reduce penile (and anal and throat) cancer risk as around half of penile cancers are attributable to HPV.

UTIs? Yeah, no. They are uncommon in males to begin with, and while slightly more common in uncircumcised males, there was no way we were going to put our child through a surgery that removes a significant part of his penile skin on the off chance it might prevent a week of antibiotics sometime during his life. Girls get them far more, but we don't surgically alter our daughters to prevent them.

The minute risk reduction for already uncommon things for which risks can be mediated non-surgically like with vaccination, condom use, and basic hygiene (really not hard to teach) as compared to the potential loss of sensation, potential loss of years of normal sexual function, and the (small but present) risk of serious adverse outcomes, it was a no-brainer. Beyond that, it is HIS body, not mine, not his father's and children have the right not to be subject to unnecessary medical procedures (even if their parents think it looks better.)
 
2013-08-22 07:50:20 PM
As an uncut person, I feel as though a lot of you arguing against circumcision don't really understand how growing up with an uncut penis is like. I'm not talking early childhood, but as soon as puberty hits, things start going downhill very quickly for some of us. The only way I can explain is by relating my experience.

During my teen years, when I first discovered porn, I really started to worry about how mine looked compared to the guys in the video. Never had I seen even one with an uncut guy in it. I knew that the girls my age were probably looking at it to and getting their image of what a penis should be. This caused a great deal of social anxiety that progressively got worse and worse until I shut myself down completely. There was no way I was going to try and get involved with a girl then see her have any kind of adverse reaction the first time she saw my cock. So I stayed single, stayed a virgin for years. Girls can be just as mean to guys as they are to other girls at that age, and the results can be as emotionally devastating...especially when you think there is nothing you can do about it.

Next problem... When I got a little older, I finally one day saw a porn video that actually had an uncut man in it. When the guy got an erection, his foreskin retracted. This was strange to me as mine did not. Since this was around the time the internet started taking off, I did some research and found that yes, uncircumcised foreskin is supposed to retract. This was bad news for my ego. Phimosis, horrible horrible condition that I had no idea even existed is what I have. As you can imagine, not an easy topic to discuss with anyone, even a doctor.

So many more years passed as I toiled away thinking I was a complete freak. I dated a few girls here and there but ended things if it looked like things were turning sexual. It was awful! To be embarrassed by your penis is one of worst ways to go through life. Finally, a couple years ago I was in a relationship with a nurse who was more forward than I anticipated. One night she just reached down and pulled it out. Thank the gods she didn't have a negative reaction...in fact none at all. But, this introduced yet another issue I didn't expect. The first few times we had sex, we used condoms, which I had no problem with. Then, being that she was on birth control, she wanted to have intercourse without the condom. I couldn't do it. I tried, but I couldn't get it in because the pain was excruciating. I never thought using a condom would be better than not.

So, the point of all of this is before you get to passionate on either side of the debate, try to put yourself in the shoes of an adolescent boy growing up in our current society (North American). Honestly, how do you ask your parents if your penis is normal...you don't...most likely you just try to get through your life in the manor I did and hope you find someone that isn't judgemental. I'm no longer with the nurse but I'm glad I met her. Unfortunately I'm still very scared of starting a new relationship because let's be honest, the vast majority of women prefer uncut and think anything else is disgusting. I don't blame them for it, that's all they know.

I've finally worked up the courage and made an appointment with my doctor to talk about what my options are.  I'm also 34 years old. Parents, if you don't want to cut your kid that's great, but please, as uncomfortable a subject as it is, talk to them during puberty. Aside from the cleanliness part, ask them if their foreskin is working properly!!!! Believe me, you could prevent a great deal of stress for them!
 
2013-08-22 08:27:16 PM
jaymze69: Unfortunately I'm still very scared of starting a new relationship because let's be honest, the vast majority of women prefer uncut and think anything else is disgusting. I don't blame them for it, that's all they know.

Only in America, everywhere else they think being cut is strange. Either way I don't know why you are worried people women like that. If someone is that shallow, that being uncut/cut is the number one reason they can't/can be with you over everything else you're probably better off not having anything to do with that person in the first place. That is also certainly not the basis of a good relationship.
 
2013-08-22 08:28:03 PM
*blarghs. Worried about women like that rather. I'm out, peace!
 
2013-08-22 08:34:08 PM

jaymze69: As an uncut person, I feel as though a lot of you arguing against circumcision don't really understand how growing up with an uncut penis is like. I'm not talking early childhood, but as soon as puberty hits, things start going downhill very quickly for some of us. The only way I can explain is by relating my experience.

During my teen years, when I first discovered porn, I really started to worry about how mine looked compared to the guys in the video. Never had I seen even one with an uncut guy in it. I knew that the girls my age were probably looking at it to and getting their image of what a penis should be. This caused a great deal of social anxiety that progressively got worse and worse until I shut myself down completely. There was no way I was going to try and get involved with a girl then see her have any kind of adverse reaction the first time she saw my cock. So I stayed single, stayed a virgin for years. Girls can be just as mean to guys as they are to other girls at that age, and the results can be as emotionally devastating...especially when you think there is nothing you can do about it.

Next problem... When I got a little older, I finally one day saw a porn video that actually had an uncut man in it. When the guy got an erection, his foreskin retracted. This was strange to me as mine did not. Since this was around the time the internet started taking off, I did some research and found that yes, uncircumcised foreskin is supposed to retract. This was bad news for my ego. Phimosis, horrible horrible condition that I had no idea even existed is what I have. As you can imagine, not an easy topic to discuss with anyone, even a doctor.

So many more years passed as I toiled away thinking I was a complete freak. I dated a few girls here and there but ended things if it looked like things were turning sexual. It was awful! To be embarrassed by your penis is one of worst ways to go through life. Finally, a couple years ago I was in a relationship with a nur ...



Sad story.

But (aside from the phimosis), understand that the psychological trauma you endured was a direct result of the FARKED UP societal perceptions that were the product of generations of misguided (if not malicious) advice from idiot physicians and / or religious 'tards who created a false impression of what "normal" should be. Our gullible parents and grandparents trusted "authority" and fell for the bullshiat - there's no reason we should.

Imagine a society where people thought ears were ugly, unhealthy, and should be removed. It makes about as much sense.

As for kids these days, that is changing - and it's about time. Genital mutilation is falling out of favor, and this trend will continue. Before long, it'll be the cut kid that gets the funny looks in the shower, and the shocked expression from the girlfriend.

As for your condition, there are several options to explore with your physician. If he immediately suggests circumcision, go see another doctor, and another.

You may have more to lose than you think.
 
2013-08-22 10:06:18 PM

Amos Quito: ALSO:

cntrl+F tats produced no hits.

WTF?


This!

i192.photobucket.com
 
2013-08-22 11:40:56 PM

thegrievingmole: CJHardin: ddam: Fo Shiz: Apparently Hispanics have lower rates of circumcision.  Most western states' Medicaid programs (including CA, OR and WA) do not cover circumcision as a routine procedure.  So can we infer that high birth rates among Hispanics along with some associated lack of health insurance leads to a lower rate of circumcision?

Neither did my private insurance so my son who's about to be 2 soon is uncut. No way I'd pay $400 for that procedure, especially since it's not necessary.

I'm sure he will thank you for the additional 20,000 nerve endings when he is old enough to make that decision for himself.

And not needing lube for masturbation.


I'm cut, and I don't need lube.
 
2013-08-22 11:44:48 PM

loaba: God Is My Co-Pirate: Yeah, up here in Canada there really is a big trend away from it.

Trend - exactly.

Basically, for me, it comes down to how well I can police my kids. I have a hard enough time mandating showers and teeth brushing. Having to add cock cleaning to the list wouldn't kill me, but it would be just one more thing to remind 'em about.

And really, if it's just a trend-thing... Don't need it.


Call me crazy, but you don't have to remind most boys to vigorously rub their penis in the shower.
 
2013-08-23 12:03:36 AM

mbillips: Theaetetus: heili skrimsli: Theaetetus: Interesting. Would it actually prevent any possibility of breast cancer? The article only mentions fibrocysts, and I readily admit I know nothing about either beyond what Wiki says.
In any case, I defer to the physician's knowledge and research - if it's a medically recommended treatment, then I can't see a justification for banning it.

That article is about a different case, but the idea behind prophylactic mastectomy is that if you do not have breast tissue, you cannot get breast cancer.

It's not 100% perfect because it's possible some tissue could be left behind, but the theory is sound enough to make it actually more medically beneficial than male circumcision when it comes to cancer prevention.

On the other hand, the loss of function of the organ is significantly greater, and that must be considered. Removing your legs prevents foot cancer, but the harm vastly outweighs the benefit.

I've yet to see any actual science about "lack of function" due to circumcision. Considering that the glans is about a zillion times more sensitive than the foreskin, and that the foreskin uncovers the glans during full erection, it seems unlikely that there's any actual impairment in sensation.


How about removing 85 percent of the head of the penis?  Oops.  That enough "lack of function" for ya?

http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20110718/boys-botched-circ um cision-leads-to-46-million-award
 
2013-08-23 12:10:13 AM
jaymze69:  ... let's be honest, the vast majority of women prefer uncut and think anything else is disgusting. I don't blame them for it, that's all they know.

That's not been my experience.  Slept with 40+ women, mostly American, mostly in the Northeast, and not one complaint about my foreskin.

You need to date better women.
 
2013-08-23 12:10:49 AM

Theaetetus: PunGent: /lawyer buddy of mine did insurance defense work...the ONLY cases they'd settle out of court were botched circs.

On the plus side, the briefs would be light.


+1
 
2013-08-23 12:16:31 AM

LissaDances: SeriousGeorge: I love people make the argument that scar-tissue-covered wrinkled-flap-of-skin-covered genitals are more visually appealing than natural smooth ones. Scar tissue Wrinkled skin. Sexy.


There's a reason it's called "bumping uglies"  :)
 
2013-08-23 12:18:54 AM

loaba: God Is My Co-Pirate: Yeah, up here in Canada there really is a big trend away from it.

Trend - exactly.

Basically, for me, it comes down to how well I can police my kids. I have a hard enough time mandating showers and teeth brushing. Having to add cock cleaning to the list wouldn't kill me, but it would be just one more thing to remind 'em about.


Err, they should be cleaning down there whether or not they're cut.
 
2013-08-23 12:23:22 AM

mesmer242: Those numbers fall under the "lies, damn lies, and statistics" end of things. They only count circumcisions done in hospitals - not those done in religious ceremonies or in doctor's offices. There's reason to believe there's been a decrease, but there's also reason to believe that more people are having circumcisions done outside of a hospital setting. So the real numbers are unknown.


You want a number?  here's a number:  117 dead U.S. babies, on average, per year, from circumcision:

http://www.mensstudies.com/content/b64n267w47m333x0/?p=7452e7641b4f4 a6 b9a8c3e986bcd8c1e&pi=5
 
2013-08-23 02:24:13 AM
Can I get an Oy!
 
2013-08-23 06:56:50 AM
Cut don't need lube.

And for chrissakes please keep your labes on ladies, unless you have medical issues.

Sucking lips is HOT!
 
2013-08-23 07:04:52 AM

jaymze69: Unfortunately I'm still very scared of starting a new relationship because let's be honest, the vast majority of women prefer uncut and think anything else is disgusting. I don't blame them for it, that's all they know.


You do realize that if you want to you're an adult and you can have yourself circumcised for your own reasons now, right? Nobody's arguing that adults who want to alter their own penises shouldn't be able to.

Amos Quito: As for your condition, there are several options to explore with your physician. If he immediately suggests circumcision, go see another doctor, and another.


Yeah, phimosis is treatable and it doesn't necessarily require complete removal of the foreskin. I know one guy who had it and did eventually get surgical correction, but instead of circumcising him, they just made the opening bigger so he could retract his foreskin without problems. He's still got all his parts, and they work great.

MmmVomit: Call me crazy, but you don't have to remind most boys to vigorously rub their penis in the shower.


FTFY.

PunGent: That's not been my experience. Slept with 40+ women, mostly American, mostly in the Northeast, and not one complaint about my foreskin.

You need to date better women.


shiat yeah. Female, American, from the Northeast here. Give me uncut every day.

PunGent: You want a number? here's a number: 117 dead U.S. babies, on average, per year, from circumcision:


Pity, because it could be zero. It should be zero. All we have to do is stop unnecessarily cutting up infant penis.
 
2013-08-23 09:12:36 AM
We went to all of the birthing classes (at Upenn) and they said it wasn't necessary.  I felt strongly about it too.  If my son really doesn't want it later, he can have it removed.  It's his, let it be his decision.
 
2013-08-23 03:16:21 PM
Arguments against circumcision and the reasons why I did it anyway:

1. It's mutilation -- If my son were born with an extra non-functioning finger on his hand and the doctor asked if I wanted to cut it off, of course I would.

2. It's unnatural -- Foreskins are about as useful to our species as wisdom teeth and appendixes.  We're not pants-less cavemen walking around in the woods anymore.

3. It's medically unnecessary -- But it's helpful.  I certainly don't want to have to worry about my infant son's penile health if I don't have to.  Just like if doctors came up with a medical procedure to remove wisdom teeth soon after birth with a couple of cuts, who wouldn't jump on that for their child?  "You should wait until he's an adult (when his teeth are compacted, required surgery and braces) so that he can make that decision for himself."  Nope.

4. It decreases sensitivity -- Thank FSM!  My wife would have left me by now if I were any more sensitive down there.

5. It's just a Western thing -- And I'm in the Western world.

6. Women like an uncut man -- That does not seem to be the opinion of most women I know.  Or porn.  And if we've learned anything from VHS and Blu-ray, porn dictates all.

7. It should be your child's decision when they are an adult -- I feel like I've done my son a favor because that favor was done for me.  I am very happy with the results and have never once - I repeat, NEVER ONCE - felt self-conscious about being circumcised.  How many circumcised guys out there can say that? (Judging by some of the locker room stories in this thread, not many.)   It's Pascals Wager.

Think of it this way. Most women don't care if you have ripped abs or not.  Some women prefer a guy with ripped abs.  But I've never seen a woman turn down a guy BECAUSE he has ripped abs.

Same with foreskins: some women don't care either way, some women are grossed out by them, but I have yet to find a woman who rejects a guy (In ANY country) BECAUSE he's cut.

So why wouldn't I?
 
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