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2013-08-22 10:06:42 AM  

Xanlexian: dittybopper: MountainClimber: usttsdw: dittybopper: I'll be keeping an eye on SpaceWeather.com, and an ear to 50.090 MHz for some of that nice, raspy auroral propagation.

As of right now, the planetary K index is a 2.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am intrigued. Links?


http://www.n0hr.com/radio_propagation.htm

I don't have you favorited as a ham.  Are you one?  I keep a list for the next Fark QSO Party.

Sorry for the threadjack, but I'm about 5-6 weeks away from being back on the air and with a much better antenna system than I had before.  Is there going to be another Fark QSO Party?  I'd love to do another one of these!  Will it be announced on The Zed?


I'd like to do one, maybe sometime this Fall.

I'd certainly announce it here on Fark.  Don't know if I would on QRZ.
 
2013-08-22 10:06:55 AM  
Hey ditty, I am all for a Fark QSO party. Put me on the list.
 
2013-08-22 10:07:29 AM  

Hollie Maea: dittybopper: Moral of the story:  Get your ham radio license if you are going into some God-forsaken corner of the World.  Then you don't have to worry about third party agreements.

Don't get me wrong...we (my mother, actually) had the license, and we used it to talk to people in the US.  It was just that a lot of the people we wanted to talk to, such as my grandparents, didn't have ham radios.  Hence the need to phone patch.  Which we were forbidden to do (but did anyway).


Got it.  Makes sense.
 
2013-08-22 10:08:03 AM  

nekom: Any chance of getting northern lights at 40°N?  Only saw them here once in my life, very subtle but awesome to have seen.


I saw them on the Cape (42.0N) in August once. Very faint, but at the same time as the Perseid meteor shower,  and the bay coast was lined in phosphorescent plankton. I sat up all night on the beach, except for a couple of swimming breaks. It was a once in a lifetime experience; completely amazing.

I saw the NL one other time, two nights in a row. Potsdam, NY (44.6N). They were vivid, bright, and colorful, and  covered the entire sky. It was freakin' amazingly cold, like neg 15F, but I wrapped up in all the blankets and spent two nights on the hood of my car. You couldn't not watch them. There was no way to go inside and go to bed when that was going on in the sky.
 
2013-08-22 10:09:27 AM  

Pick: Hey ditty, I am all for a Fark QSO party. Put me on the list.


You already are.  Here is the list of people I have favorited as hams.  If you aren't on the list and you are a ham, let me know so I can favorite you:

   6M
   Andromeda [TotalFark] 
   Any Pie Left
   asciibaron
   awalkingecho [TotalFark] 
   b0rscht [TotalFark] 
   bamph [TotalFark] 
   bandy
   Barbigazi [TotalFark] 
   Bathroom Samurai
   Bio-nic
   blavo Alpha
   bmwericus
   Bob Down
   Bong Hits For Mohammed
   Boonlert Boonpan
   Centurion Wind [TotalFark] 
   ChiliBoots
   Chucklz [TotalFark] 
   cmunic8r99 [TotalFark] 
   CultureVulture
   DarkDeepMoon
   DarthBart
   dbrunker
   Deceased Clockmaker
   Deja_VooDoo
   demonwolf04
   DetroitDave
   devine [TotalFark] 
   dforkus
   Djembe
   dmegin [TotalFark] 
   Doppleganger871
   Dr. Goldshnoz
   Fark In The Duck [TotalFark] 
   Fjornir [TotalFark] 
   FlagDayGamer
   FuLinHyu [TotalFark] 
   GaidinBDJ [TotalFark] 
   gja [TotalFark] 
   Gramma
   grampy [TotalFark] 
   Great Porn Dragon
   greyw1980
   Grumpyoldgeek
   HeadbangerSmurf [TotalFark] 
   hsv_farker
   InternetSecurityGuard
   jdbob
   JohnBEsq [TotalFark] 
   just_intonation
   jwbathe
   Kaiser Bill's Batman
   KarmicDisaster [TotalFark] 
   KatieH24
   kd8our
   kf4lar
   kg4qxk
   Krikkitbot [TotalFark] 
   ku4a
   linuxpyro
   LoadShark
   MadTheologian
   Marshall Willenholly
   MBrady
   micah1701
   NedrubWerd
   neilbradley
   NEPAman
   NJ_WOP
   nnvpears
   Nogrhi [TotalFark] 
   nw_inferno
   Nyarpy
   p51d007
   paygun
   pedrop357
   Pick
   plumbicon
   Professor Science
   ProjectXBOX
   qlenfg
   quantum_jellyroll [TotalFark] 
   RatOmeter
   ravenlore
   RedPhoenix122 [TotalFark] 
   Redwing [TotalFark] 
   rico567
   schief2 [TotalFark] 
   serjohn
   Shadyman
   skillett
   smells_like_meat [TotalFark] 
   Smoky Dragon Dish [TotalFark] 
   spickus
   Stavr0
   strathcona
   Strobeguy
   sum_yung_guy
   Summa cum loudly
   Sun God
   sunlion
   Thisisridiculous [TotalFark] 
   torch [TotalFark] 
   TreeHugger
   TWX
   ucster
   unfknreal
   wambu
   weiserfireman
   willbartlett
   Xanlexian [TotalFark] 
   xenophon10k [TotalFark] 
   ZureaL
 
2013-08-22 10:19:48 AM  

Xanlexian: I'm about 5-6 weeks away from being back on the air and with a much better antenna system than I had before.


What you got going up?

I've got a better system myself:  During the last one, I had the 20 Meter J-pole, and a G5RV jr.  I've completely rebuilt the J-pole. and I took down the G5RV Jr. and put up an 80 meter end fed zepp, fed directly with ladder line, so I'm not losing anything.

Also, I got my radio retubed, so instead of the piddly 50 watts I was getting out, I can get 125 out on 20 meters, and 140 watts out on 40 meters.

Those two are my best bands, too:  The zepp loves 80 and especially 40 meters, with zero RF in the shack.  Using it on other bands I have to dial the power down so I don't kill my internet connection.  The J-pole doesn't cause any problems at full power on 20.  I've still got a position open on the tuner*, so maybe I'll whip up a 15 meter J-pole to cover the higher bands.

 *Three coax and one parallel line outputs.  20m J-pole gets a coax, as does the dummy load, and the Zepp gets the parallel.  Leaves me with another coax output to play with.
 
2013-08-22 10:23:06 AM  
This storm is going to be a small one so I am not sure what the hype is about.  In fact, as others have said, this solar maximum is undershooting predictions and is significantly less active than normal.

Our record keeping of sunspots is not that deep but one observation is that cycles like these are where the really big flares will come from.  What typically happens during a cycle like this (and we only have a few on record so the sample size is small) is that the sun will reverse it's polarity indicating the peak has been reached.  After the peak, the intensity of flares will go up quite a bit so the likelihood of X class flares will be higher.  That is when an incoming CME or two should make the headlines.
 
2013-08-22 10:34:51 AM  
I didn't know there were hams on Fark. Makes sense though. A Fark QSO party? Add me to the list.

-KJ4SPG
 
2013-08-22 10:37:16 AM  
If only there were someone watching the sun and reporting on it's activity.

link
 
2013-08-22 10:38:07 AM  

modulatemymetric: I didn't know there were hams on Fark. Makes sense though. A Fark QSO party? Add me to the list.

-KJ4SPG


Favorited as a ham.

Yes, there are quite a lot of us.  Last Fark QSO Party was largely a bust due to poor propagation, but hopefully the next one will be better.
 
2013-08-22 10:43:31 AM  

Fano: IdBeCrazyIf: Someone open up that time capsule and get out the page of numbers

/that better not be obscure

I don't watch crummy Nic Cage movies, no matter how much Ebert bragged on them. 0


Yeah, in that movie why the hell did the aliens only take children. I mean, are a bunch of 12 year olds supposed to survive on some kind of interstellar game preserve? Why not take adult members of society? And on top of that, why the hell did a solar flare destroy the world? That's impossible. The most a solar flare could do is wipe out electronics, not set fire to the earths surface.
/Question: if an electronics destroying solar flare did hit the earth, would it only affect the hemisphere facing the sun at the time?
 
2013-08-22 10:46:12 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Yeah, in that movie why the hell did the aliens only take children.


Because veal.
 
2013-08-22 10:52:58 AM  
I'm omnipotent. I have ULTRAFARK and can post any+++++++++++CARRIER LOST++++++++++++++++
 
2013-08-22 10:55:18 AM  
Big whoop.  I can post  any+++++++++++CARRIER LOST++++++++++++++++ also.

/Still remember having to send ATDT to a 300 baud modem.
 
2013-08-22 11:05:54 AM  

MountainClimber: usttsdw: dittybopper: I'll be keeping an eye on SpaceWeather.com, and an ear to 50.090 MHz for some of that nice, raspy auroral propagation.

As of right now, the planetary K index is a 2.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am intrigued. Links?


http://www.n0hr.com/radio_propagation.htm


Two CMEs are heading for Earth. The plasma clouds were expelled from the sun on August 20-21 by a pair of erupting magnetic filaments. NOAA forecasters expect the CMEs to arrive on August 23-24, possibly sparking geomagnetic storms around the poles.
www.spaceweather.com
 
2013-08-22 11:14:13 AM  

dittybopper: MountainClimber: usttsdw: dittybopper: I'll be keeping an eye on SpaceWeather.com, and an ear to 50.090 MHz for some of that nice, raspy auroral propagation.

As of right now, the planetary K index is a 2.

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I am intrigued. Links?


http://www.n0hr.com/radio_propagation.htm

I don't have you favorited as a ham.  Are you one?  I keep a list for the next Fark QSO Party.


Since 1978, don't use it much anymore, the occasional 2-meter chatter
 
2013-08-22 11:22:33 AM  

dittybopper: Pick: Hey ditty, I am all for a Fark QSO party. Put me on the list.


me too,though haven't used the license in a while

/"amazed" my kids typing sentences out in code for them on board the USS Midway last week
 
2013-08-22 11:32:34 AM  

voodoomedic: dittybopper: Pick: Hey ditty, I am all for a Fark QSO party. Put me on the list.

me too,though haven't used the license in a while

/"amazed" my kids typing sentences out in code for them on board the USS Midway last week


Heh.  When I want to find the distaffbopper or littlebopper in a store, I whistle "CQ" in Morse.  Carries farther than a voice, more discreet than yelling, and it's instantly recognizable.

Yeah, I love Morse that much:

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-08-22 11:34:15 AM  

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: That depends. What is your diet like? Do you eat a lot of corn? Could you post an MRI image so I can see how much marbling you have?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x424]


I just read the book, without knowing squat about it before starting. So bleak.
 
2013-08-22 11:41:34 AM  

VogonPoet: IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: That depends. What is your diet like? Do you eat a lot of corn? Could you post an MRI image so I can see how much marbling you have?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x424]

I just read the book, without knowing squat about it before starting. So bleak.


I couldn't watch the film.  Also too bleak.
 
2013-08-22 11:42:31 AM  

cubic_spleen: Zalgo: He comes.


4.bp.blogspot.com

"KNEEL BEFORE ZALGO!"
 
2013-08-22 12:07:11 PM  
[i40.tinypic.com image 640x480]

that...is...AWESOME!
 
2013-08-22 12:14:42 PM  
oh, and KA5TYE
 
2013-08-22 12:18:33 PM  

voodoomedic: [i40.tinypic.com image 640x480]

that...is...AWESOME!


It took me roughly 20 years as a ham, and 24 years of copying Morse, before I was comfortable doing it mobile.  Even now, if you want to engage me in an actual conversation, I can't go much above 15 wpm because I can't "head copy" much faster than that for any length of time.  Yeah, I can snag your call, signal report, name, and QTH at 25+ wpm, no problem, but anything much more involved and you either need to slow down, or I need to pull over and write it down.
 
2013-08-22 12:22:52 PM  

voodoomedic: oh, and KA5TYE


Might want to pull your license out and check the expiration date on it.
 
2013-08-22 12:23:29 PM  

dittybopper: I'll be keeping an eye on SpaceWeather.com, and an ear to 50.090 MHz for some of that nice, raspy auroral propagation.

As of right now, the planetary K index is a 2.


That what she said....

/what?
 
2013-08-22 12:23:31 PM  

dittybopper: Hollie Maea: In 1992 I lived in a place for which the only available form of communication was ham radio.  We could use it to patch into the US phone system and talk to friends and family, but that was illegal because fark you all, we are telecoms and we own lawmakers.

Actually, phone patches have never been illegal for the US, and they certainly weren't illegal in 1992:  I used them back before cell phones were common.  A lot of repeaters had "autopatch" that would allow you to make a phone call automatically from a handheld or mobile ham radio.  If you were living within the US, or a US territory, then non-business (ie., personal use only) phone patches were legal.



Driving home with my grandfather from school/work, he would autopatch my grandmother to tell her to start dinner...mind you, everyone could hear the conversation  so it was always a bit of a giggle when she'd chew him out for being late
 
2013-08-22 12:24:34 PM  

dittybopper: voodoomedic: oh, and KA5TYE

Might want to pull your license out and check the expiration date on it.


yeah,i know
/hold on a sec, there's a black helicopter circling outside.....
 
2013-08-22 12:26:09 PM  
Great headline subby!
 
2013-08-22 12:29:33 PM  

dittybopper: Xanlexian: I'm about 5-6 weeks away from being back on the air and with a much better antenna system than I had before.

What you got going up?

I've got a better system myself:  During the last one, I had the 20 Meter J-pole, and a G5RV jr.  I've completely rebuilt the J-pole. and I took down the G5RV Jr. and put up an 80 meter end fed zepp, fed directly with ladder line, so I'm not losing anything.

Also, I got my radio retubed, so instead of the piddly 50 watts I was getting out, I can get 125 out on 20 meters, and 140 watts out on 40 meters.

Those two are my best bands, too:  The zepp loves 80 and especially 40 meters, with zero RF in the shack.  Using it on other bands I have to dial the power down so I don't kill my internet connection.  The J-pole doesn't cause any problems at full power on 20.  I've still got a position open on the tuner*, so maybe I'll whip up a 15 meter J-pole to cover the higher bands.

 *Three coax and one parallel line outputs.  20m J-pole gets a coax, as does the dummy load, and the Zepp gets the parallel.  Leaves me with another coax output to play with.


Moving into a house in a few weeks that has this beautiful attic space with no metal flashing or ductwork anywhere and is ~35ft AGL:

i112.photobucket.com

Perfect for a multiband hexbeam on a light-duty rotator!  Previously, I was on a G5RV-Max.

Still have my same bit of kit.  IC-7000 and no amps.
 
2013-08-22 12:32:30 PM  

dittybopper: some_beer_drinker: doesn't this happen, like, all the farking time??

Sort-of.

It's been happening more lately because the Sun is near the peak of the 11 year solar cycle.  That means more CMEs, and more powerful CMEs.   That's why it seems like you're hearing about it more than you used to, say, 5 years ago.

Oddly enough, this cycle is much weaker than the ones that have preceded it.  I've been watching them now for about 23 years now.  I got my first ham radio license back in 1990, at the peak of the cycle 22, and man, it was *GLORIOUS*.  Using 25 watts from my car, I talked all over the place using voice on 10 meters (28 MHz).  The next cycle was nearly as good.

Now, however, I'm having trouble using Morse (which has a significant signal-to-noise ratio advantage over voice) at the same power level with a more efficient antenna.  Propagation is spotty, some days it's there, most days it isn't, whereas back in 1990 - 1992 it was open pretty much every day, well into the night, with solid propagation.


Radio wave propagation and skip is some strange stuff. I used to work in commercial radio and really got into the technical part with the engineer.

Listening to Dr. Demento one Sunday night back in the day in Mobile, AL from a lower power FM station out of Gulfport, I think. I pulled into a parking space at a convenience store, and all of a sudden, they got stomped on, full stereo lock by a top 40 station in Orlando. I backed up about 10 feet, Dr. Demento. Pulled up, Top 40 in Florida. Did that for about 10 minutes before it stopped. Fascinating.
 
2013-08-22 12:55:37 PM  

PainfulItching: Radio wave propagation and skip is some strange stuff. I used to work in commercial radio and really got into the technical part with the engineer.

Listening to Dr. Demento one Sunday night back in the day in Mobile, AL from a lower power FM station out of Gulfport, I think. I pulled into a parking space at a convenience store, and all of a sudden, they got stomped on, full stereo lock by a top 40 station in Orlando. I backed up about 10 feet, Dr. Demento. Pulled up, Top 40 in Florida. Did that for about 10 minutes before it stopped. Fascinating.


Sounds like tropospheric ducting.
 
2013-08-22 12:59:10 PM  
KD8UND here. Still figuring out what todo with my license (been doing support for cycling events), but I'm interested in the next Fark QSO party.
 
2013-08-22 01:04:24 PM  

dittybopper: PainfulItching: Radio wave propagation and skip is some strange stuff. I used to work in commercial radio and really got into the technical part with the engineer.

Listening to Dr. Demento one Sunday night back in the day in Mobile, AL from a lower power FM station out of Gulfport, I think. I pulled into a parking space at a convenience store, and all of a sudden, they got stomped on, full stereo lock by a top 40 station in Orlando. I backed up about 10 feet, Dr. Demento. Pulled up, Top 40 in Florida. Did that for about 10 minutes before it stopped. Fascinating.

Sounds like tropospheric ducting.


Being right on the coast like that, we were susceptible to that as well. Our station was 100K watts FM, and we covered 80 miles east and west, 40 miles in, and at night, I would requests and dedications for rig workers 150 miles in the gulf to home. I'd got ship to shore calls a lot. Over open water, I'd occasionally get notices that we'd get into the Yucatan Peninsula.
 
2013-08-22 01:45:59 PM  

Dman33: This storm is going to be a small one so I am not sure what the hype is about


They seem to hype the weak ones and play down the strong ones, which is pretty strange.
 
2013-08-22 01:48:39 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Fano: IdBeCrazyIf: Someone open up that time capsule and get out the page of numbers

/that better not be obscure

I don't watch crummy Nic Cage movies, no matter how much Ebert bragged on them. 0

Yeah, in that movie why the hell did the aliens only take children. I mean, are a bunch of 12 year olds supposed to survive on some kind of interstellar game preserve? Why not take adult members of society? And on top of that, why the hell did a solar flare destroy the world? That's impossible. The most a solar flare could do is wipe out electronics, not set fire to the earths surface.
/Question: if an electronics destroying solar flare did hit the earth, would it only affect the hemisphere facing the sun at the time?


A "solar flare" probably can't do serious damage to earth.  But a large (larger than anything we've ever seen or have reason to suspect is possible) CME could end life on earth pretty well.  Just saying.  Hypothetically, an asteroid of serious size could strike the sun, eject an epic CME and cook the earth in a sleet of super high energy particles.  It's not likely.  In fact, it's far more likely the asteroid will just hit earth and the dust clouds will kill off most life.

To answer your question.  No, it would affect most of the planet pretty much equally.  That big magnetic field around the planet will do an awfully good job of enveloping the planet in radiation from a huge flare.  However, it's not really the electronics you have to worry about, it's all that damn conductive wire we've strung around the planet.  You can save most of the electronics by simply switching them off.  (most)  You can't really stop the power lines from catching fire though.
 
2013-08-22 01:53:08 PM  

rvcrazy: KD8UND here. Still figuring out what todo with my license (been doing support for cycling events), but I'm interested in the next Fark QSO party.


There are like a gajillion things you can do with your license.

It's great that you're doing public service events, I do them also.  I consider it "paying the rent" for being able to use a bunch of spectrum for free.

What I would recommend is that you start looking at all the different possible things you can do.  First thing I would do, is study and upgrade at least to general class.  That gets you on HF which is where we'd be holding the QSO party.

But even before that, start looking at the possibility of helping out with your local ARES/RACES organizations.  Look at doing some mountain topping with your VHF gear.  You'd be surprised just how far you can work with a modest antenna and an FM only rig on top of a large hill.    Look into operating some of the ham radio satellites.  Maybe digital stuff is your thing, look at Echolink, or APRS.  Bunch of stuff you can do, and asking for advice on the local repeater is a good way to start.
 
2013-08-22 02:06:59 PM  

dittybopper: voodoomedic: dittybopper: Pick: Hey ditty, I am all for a Fark QSO party. Put me on the list.

me too,though haven't used the license in a while

/"amazed" my kids typing sentences out in code for them on board the USS Midway last week

Heh.  When I want to find the distaffbopper or littlebopper in a store, I whistle "CQ" in Morse.  Carries farther than a voice, more discreet than yelling, and it's instantly recognizable.

Yeah, I love Morse that much:

[i40.tinypic.com image 640x480]


Hey, you have a 690R MKII! I've got the whole set of them, but have not had it out in a while.
 
2013-08-22 02:19:33 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Hey, you have a 690R MKII! I've got the whole set of them, but have not had it out in a while.


Yes I certainly do, and I've actually had a mobile-to-mobile CW contact with it.  It's hooked up to a 2 meter 5/8ths wave magmount.
 
2013-08-22 02:19:42 PM  

dittybopper: IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: Now, however, I'm having trouble using Morse (which has a significant signal-to-noise ratio advantage over voice) at the same power level with a more efficient antenna. Propagation is spotty, some days it's there, most days it isn't, whereas back in 1990 - 1992 it was open pretty much every day, well into the night, with solid propagation.

When the zombies come and the world crumbles, can I come to your camp of survivors?

That depends.  What is your diet like?  Do you eat a lot of corn?  Could you post an MRI image so I can see how much marbling you have?


While my marbling is probably not ideal, you could likely render me into tallow for deep-frier grease for fresh fries and what not...

Do I qualify?
 
2013-08-22 03:24:55 PM  

DORMAMU: While my marbling is probably not ideal, you could likely render me into tallow for deep-frier grease for fresh fries and what not...


Meh.  By the sounds of it, you'd end up as candles and patch lube.
 
2013-08-22 03:27:13 PM  
I saw some nice aurora on the 11th of this month... Mind you i'm at (almost exactly) 57deg 0' 0"...

It was fantastic -- watching the Perseids and the northern lights? Very cool. The night before it was meteors and lightning on the horizon. And by horizon imean about 300degrees of my horizon.

Usually tough to see them in the summer up here because it stays so bright at night. I shal keep my eyes peeled for in the evenings... Though its been pretty overcast for the last few days.
 
2013-08-22 04:00:04 PM  
Living in Germany, interested in getting started with a ham radio (or similar) setup. No idea where to start. Appreciate any tips, links, etc.
 
2013-08-22 04:52:07 PM  

VogonPoet: I just read the book, without knowing squat about it before starting. So bleak.


The only book I've read and wanted to slit my wrists just to see color

dittybopper: I couldn't watch the film. Also too bleak.


I read the book before seeing the movie, honestly the movie is tame compared to the book. Like watching a show on TGIF ABC nights vs Cinemax at 11pm on friday night
 
2013-08-22 08:09:05 PM  

Blitzer: Living in Germany, interested in getting started with a ham radio (or similar) setup. No idea where to start. Appreciate any tips, links, etc.


Try Deutscher Amateur-Radio-Club.

http://www.darc.de/

They have a page for "beginners":

http://www.darc.de/einsteiger/

That should get you started.

If you're an American, see if the local military base or something has an amateur radio club that can administer the US test.
 
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